Patiently waiting for Truth

Yes indeed. and we see it more so in the JW Org. The GB that has gone beyond their position and want more than they deserve. THAT GB call THEMSELVES the Faithful and Discreet Slave, showing complete rebelliousness. The GB then tells the Anointed ones not to meet together for prayer or bible study. THE GB tells the Anointed that the Anointed ' would be working against the Holy Spirit'. So it shows the GB are putting themselves in the place of God and Christ, by deciding just how the Holy Spirit will work. Then the GB, those Leaders of the Watchtower / Org, put the Elders above the rest of the Anointed ones. Yes your GB do indeed beat their fellow slaves publicly.

But where are these True Anointed ones ? And when will they 'stand up' ? And why are they in the CCJW / JW Org ? Could the True Anointed remnant be elsewhere ? Could they come out of some other 'religion' ? Indeed they will be that spiritual JEW that 'ten men' will cling to. But when ? If we are anywhere near 'the time of the end' of this wicked world, then I would imagine, God through Christ, would allow a little time for 'lost sheep' to be found. The scriptures tell us that God wants no one to be destroyed, so it would be very helpful if the True Anointed were to be made known asap. Jesus did say that "the good news of the Kingdom" must be preached earthwide before the 'end comes'. But that 'good news' has to be truthful 'good news'. So, how will all this 'move forward' ? The spiritual JEW. The True Anointed. Will they build a 'new religion' ? Not with physical buildings maybe, but with some form of organised teaching. Jesus did teach his disciples to be organised even without an 'Organisation' as such. As someone else would say, 'I'm just thinking aloud here'. Hence it's not well worded....

Um, deep fried fish anyone ? Octopus steak maybe.

Um, so is Rambo, CC and Billy the Kid and and et al. I noticed in his last comment to me that he no longer sounds so 'mature'.

Ah but I don't ridicule God, Christ, the Holy Spirit or God's written word. What I laugh at is 'men' pretending to know something that God has not made known. Christ said, recorded at Matt 25 : 13 Berean Study BibleTherefore keep watch, because you do not know the day or the hour. I don't pretend to have 'special knowledge' from God or Christ, so the days of Noah are not relevant to me in this false dating of the 'end time'. Quote "When the Sealing of the 144,000 concludes in 2033, whatcha you gonna do? Oh my!" Billy the Kid, CC, you are showing your true self it seems. I presume that by 2033 I will be dead and, if God through Christ should show me mercy I will get a resurrection much later. But if I'm still alive then, as one of the little dogs, I will be judged by Christ or by the angel he sends to judge me. But if i live for that time then I hopefully will find Truth from true Anointed ones. I would not expect the True Anointed remnant to broadcast any made up 'dates'. But i do expect it of 'men' that wish to promote themselves.

Matthew 24 : 8 New International VersionAll these are the beginning of birth pains. Berean Study BibleAll these are the beginning of birth pains. NASB 1995“But all these things are merely the beginning of birth pangs ------------------------------------------------- Matthew 24 : 6 Berean Literal BibleAnd you will begin to hear of wars and rumors of wars. Behold, do not be alarmed; for it is necessary to take place, but the end is not yet. I see you've left out the 120 years this time.

Yes, Think on that for a moment. 2 Timothy 3 : 16 & 17 Berean Literal BibleEvery Scripture is God-breathed and profitable for instruction, for conviction, for correction, and for training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be complete, having been fully equipped toward every good work. But, a. it was only the Hebrew scriptures that they had, b. it was only for the Anointed ones. However IF JWs believed that ONLY God's written Word was needed, then the Watchtower would not have wasted millions of pounds/dollars/euros, of donated money in writing hundreds of books over the years. And all of which are untrue....

And this on the bottom of every post you make :- Author of two ebooks, one on opposition to the Witness work in Russia, one on opposition in Western lands. Both 1/3 free preview. www.smashwords.com , search: Tom Harley

Indeed Tom. Matthew 19: 26 Berean Study Bible Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.” Indeed Thinking. It would make no difference. In the past it was ghosts, life after death, 'contacting dead relatives', ALL by the work of the DEVIL. But people said it 'proved' that we had a spirit or soul that lived on after death. It proved nothing of course, apart from the fact that the Devil works in many crafty ways. Crop circles, space ships, aliens et al. The Devil will use anything to take people away from searching for God or from serving God through Christ. The Devil even ties in aliens with evolution just for the mixture of fun. Simple answer, have strong faith in God through Christ, not through men.

Perhaps you would say that to the Governing Body of the Watchtower / JW Org. They are very keen on dates and especially giving false prophecy. 'the last part of the last day of last days' . 1941, 1975. Before the year 2000 et al. No honest hearted Anointed one (the GB) would pretend to be the F&DS and then give so much false information, And as for Bro Rambo, if he were a true JW then surely he wouldn't be putting up a date (2034) as that is only his opinion and could be a stumbling block to others. Plus the fact that it would seem to go against the grain of following the GB to get 'food at the proper time'. Go now and have a good cry. If you don't like what people post you know the old saying, 'Just scroll on by'.

Um, was this just after I mentioned that Russell wasn't a JW ? And was it where TTH was comparing something Russell wrote to something from 1971 which came from the JW Org, and I said there was no comparison because Russell has nothing to do with the JW Organisation ? I cannot understand why JWs cling to Russell, when Russell had no connection to the forming of the Jehovah's Witnesses organisation. Russell was an International Bible Student. https://internationalbiblestudents.com/about.html Who are the Bible Students?" The association of International Bible Students has existed continuously since the days of Pastor Charles Taze Russell to the present. In Brother Russell's day, the IBSA was a cooperative association of Bible Student congregations worldwide, all united by the common beliefs taught in Brother Russell's Studies in the Scriptures series. The Watchtower was merely a publishing house and lecture service, with NO central control over these thousands of associated, but independent congregations. https://internationalbiblestudents.com/images/IBSA1910.pdf After the death of Brother Russell in 1916, J.F. Rutherford took control of the IBSA, acting in violation of Brother Russell's Will and the Watchtower Bylaws. By 1931 J.F. Rutherford had radically changed and reorganized the Watchtower into a different organization. He named his new organization "Jehovah's Witnesses," in order to distinguish it from the various groups formed by the 75% of original Bible Students no longer connected. Hundreds of these Bible Student congregations worldwide have continued to the present, thus constituting a continuation of the original IBSA. These Bible Students remain united in the original early Watchtower beliefs taught by Brother Russell. Was this the reason it was removed ? JWI, You have proven how way out of line Russell was and that he obviously didn't have any guidance by God's Holy spirit, nor did he seem to have the approval of Jesus Christ... But neither was Russell a JW. nor did he approve of Rutherford it seems.

Well the forum is running a bit dry Tom and needs some more lively discussion, so Russell might be a good start. Thank you for the apology, and it's accepted.

Maybe we should discuss Russell again, the forum needs livening up a bit For instance, I've mentioned on other topics about Russell being an International Bible Student, Not a JW. Even though Russell started the Watchtower and the JW org took it over via Rutherford. So Russell was never in any way a JW. And the International Bible Students, which seem to be 'alive and well', are not JWs. I'm sure this has been covered many times but some JWs do like to pretend that Russell was the 'beginning of' the CCJW / JW Org.

But why tom should want to re-visit this topic I've no idea. Is he just looking for more rocks to throw at me

It seems that you do not realise that Covid-19 was not a disease, it was a form of 'germ warfare'. It was designed to kill people. Designed in a lab' in China, but used worldwide to kill people..... Germ warfare will probably increase as this wicked system goes on. The idea of depopulation has been floated in governments around the world for a few years now. I wonder if this is the reason for this scripture ? 21 for then there will be great tribulation such as has not occurred since the world’s beginning until now, no, nor will occur again. 22 In fact, unless those days were cut short, no flesh would be saved; but on account of the chosen ones those days will be cut short.

This has nothing to do with disease, this is about dividing people. It's about those that chose to follow Christ and those that don't. 34 Do not think I came to bring peace to the earth; I came to bring, not peace, but a sword.w 35 For I came to cause division, with a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law.x 36 Indeed, a man’s enemies will be those of his own household.

Why would you need to prove it to anyone ? It is between you, Almighty God and Jesus Christ. It is no business of the Elders or any other JW, unless you make it so. If you wish to remarry, that is also between you, God and Christ, and your new partner. But it should not involve anyone else. The Elders should take your word that your conscience is clean on this matter.

1 John 5 :199 Berean Study BibleWe know that we are of God, and that the whole world is under the power of the evil one. NWT 19 We know that we originate with God, but the whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one. This seems to confirm that the Devil has that authority. And that is why true Christians are, as you say, 'no part of this world'. Unfortunately the Watchtower / CCJW / JW Org ARE part of that wicked world and they prove it regularly. The Org are very materialistic and 'physical' in their thinking and actions. Large building complexes, the writing of many books, asking for donations, falsely predicting 'the time of the end', and deep involvement in Child Sexual Abuse, prove that they are indeed 'part of this world'. So who has authority over them ?

Yes indeed. And when Jesus gave the 'model prayer' to his disciples Jesus said 'Father' and did not use God's personal name. Matthew 6: 9 Berean Study BibleSo then, this is how you should pray: ‘Our Father in heaven, hallowed be Your name.

I note that you are using the name YEHOVAH, not Jehovah. I think that is probably closer to God's real name, but in honesty I don't know. Yehovah just seems better to me. Thank you.

Spoken like a true JW, but wrong. However I can see that you are following your GB in your way of thinking. The GB think it's all about the CCJW / Watchtower / JW Org collection of companies. but it's not. It is the one and only time that Almighty God will prove to Spirit beings as well as Human beings that God has the right to rule and God and Christ have the right to judge spirits as well as humans. I think that humans are not the main priority to God or Christ. The spirit beings, good and bad, are more powerful, and even the Anointed will become spirit beings, as you know. So, to think that it is all about us, is probably a little naive and a little selfish too.

We are actually experiencing the results of the world being controlled by the Devil. The only free will a person has is to chose to serve God or the Devil. The main 'warfare' is between spirit persons, God and Christ v Satan and the demons. Humans play a small part in it of course, but God and Christ show mercy to whom they wish to show mercy.

I was actually thinking on that when the article said 'it paid' the West Mifflin Congregation of Jehovah’s Witnesses. Then it said "the congregation received $503,840 for the property" My thoughts were that the congregation probably 'received' nothing, but the Watchtower Soc' / GB received that money. Well it will help to pay for the 'new film studio' at Ramapo I suppose.

https://www.wpxi.com/news/top-stories/turnpike-commission-pays-503000-jehovahs-witnesses-congregation-monfayette-expressway/KSN2OCSAERBPDN7MKDOB6R2JYE/ e 20, 2021 at 6:07 pm EDT By WPXI.com News Staff PITTSBURGH — The Pennsylvania Turnpike Commission approved paying the West Mifflin Congregation of Jehovah’s Witnesses more than $500,000 for their property to make way for the Mon/Fayette Expressway. According to the commission’s agenda from the most recent meeting, the congregation received $503,840 for the property along Camp Hollow Road in West Mifflin. The land will be used as part of the new highway project that aims to connect I-68 near Morgantown, West Virginia and the Parkway East. The West Mifflin property will be used to construct a new portion of Rt. 43 from Rt. 51 in Jefferson Hills to Rt. 837 in Duquesne. PennDOT officials said construction is expected to start next year. The entire section of highway south of the Monongahela River is expected to cost around $900 million to build. Officials said the highway will offer an alternative route that allows drivers to avoid the Squirrel Hill Tunnel and Fort Pitt Tunnel once completed. Here in the UK the government sometimes does 'compulsory purchase' orders so that a person has to sell their property. I wonder, does that happen in America ?

So, important point that @Witness sometimes makes, and others boo hoo her for it. IF they encircled the camp of the holy ones and the beloved city. Then does this mean that the 144,000 and it's camp, will be HERE ON THIS EARTH ? Rev 20 : 9 Berean Study BibleAnd they marched across the broad expanse of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city. But fire came down from heaven and consumed them. If 'heavenly Jerusalem' / the beloved City, is in heaven then how do they surround on this Earth ?