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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Peter Carroll in Bible Prophecy and 2034. Will you gain spiritual discernment to become a Survivor of the Last Days?   
    Yet again a pretend servant of God is full of insults. A woman that moans about others being rude or insulting. 
    It is as Yeshua said. It is what comes out of the mouth, or in this case the written word, that defiles a person. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from BroRando in Bible Prophecy and 2034. Will you gain spiritual discernment to become a Survivor of the Last Days?   
    Do you know, I do not see it mentioning the word religion, or, Organisation, not even once. 
    And many peoples will go and say:“ Come, let us go up to the mountain of Jehovah, To the house of the God of Jacob.dHe will instruct us about his ways,And we will walk in his paths. 
    I do not see it mentioning a GB of an Org dictating man made rules to millions of people. 
    And it does not mention a
    It says 
     
    It mentions 'Nations' plural. So i think you are miquoting scripture. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Arauna in Bible Prophecy and 2034. Will you gain spiritual discernment to become a Survivor of the Last Days?   
    So - sitting on his brain waiting for something other than the truth - should take note? heh?
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Arauna in Bible Prophecy and 2034. Will you gain spiritual discernment to become a Survivor of the Last Days?   
    Who are the only ones teaching about Jehovah and Jesus!   Where do all these nations go where they learn no war anymore?  ... to the Christina churches who all justify guns and war?  So where do they go for the source of information to learn NO WAR?  Where do they meet and form congregations - as is clearly instructed by the bible?
    You KEEP YOURSELF DELIBERATELY OBTUSE!   yea - so keep sitting patiently on your brain or hands  - waiting for the truth! 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Pudgy in Bible Prophecy and 2034. Will you gain spiritual discernment to become a Survivor of the Last Days?   
    Do you actually know the difference between an apostate and a heretic?
    There is a very real difference and I’m afraid the term apostate is bandied about much too often, here and elsewhere.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to BroRando in Bible Prophecy and 2034. Will you gain spiritual discernment to become a Survivor of the Last Days?   
    Depending of the context of the scripture, one would need 'spritual discernment' in order to discern what the scripture is talking about. 
    Nations can refer to countries, peoples, or even nationalities.  The pride of nationality for instance.
    The nations of many peoples is the correct context listed below.
    And to it all the nations will stream.c 3  And many peoples will go and say:“ Come,
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from BroRando in Bible Prophecy and 2034. Will you gain spiritual discernment to become a Survivor of the Last Days?   
    No. It is true servants of YHWH through Yeshua that will survive. Individuals that are judged as worthy.
    It is wrong to put your trust in a 'religion', but that is what your GB tells you to do. 
    Just look at Mr Carroll (above) and see how he worships the Org. How sad that he does not worship YHWH through Yeshua. 
    Things will change soon and that Org will either be cleansed or destroyed. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Witness in Bible Prophecy and 2034. Will you gain spiritual discernment to become a Survivor of the Last Days?   
    Are you frightened to give the TRUE reason that YHWH will cut the time short ? 
    Matthew 24:22
    Berean Literal Bible
    And unless those days had been shortened, no flesh would have been saved; but because of the elect, those days will be shortened.
    God will shorten the time for the sake of the Chosen ones.  But JWs just do not like it that the Chosen as so much more important than the earthly ones. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from BroRando in Bible Prophecy and 2034. Will you gain spiritual discernment to become a Survivor of the Last Days?   
    Are you frightened to give the TRUE reason that YHWH will cut the time short ? 
    Matthew 24:22
    Berean Literal Bible
    And unless those days had been shortened, no flesh would have been saved; but because of the elect, those days will be shortened.
    God will shorten the time for the sake of the Chosen ones.  But JWs just do not like it that the Chosen as so much more important than the earthly ones. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to BroRando in Bible Prophecy and 2034. Will you gain spiritual discernment to become a Survivor of the Last Days?   
    Jesus in private told his disciples, "For just as the days of Noah were, so the presence of the Son of man will be. For as they were in those days before the Flood, eating and drinking, men marrying and women being given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and they took no note until the Flood came and swept them all away, so the presence of the Son of man will be." (Matthew 24:37-39)
    Notice Jesus compared the days of Noah to his Presence, they took no note until the Flood came and swept them all away. Therefore, we can conclude that both Prophecies are 'timed events'. Time and again Jesus kept reminding his disciples just as the days of Noah were, so the presence of the Son of man will be. How long were the days of Noah? Then Jehovah said: “My spirit will not tolerate man indefinitely, because he is only flesh. Accordingly, his days will amount to 120 years.” (Genesis 6:3)
    When Noah stopped preaching to work on the Ark, did the wicked take note? "For just as the days of Noah were, so the presence of the Son of man will be." (Matthew 24:37) When Noah began loading up foodstuffs for his family and the animals, did the wicked take note? "For just as the days of Noah were, so the presence of the Son of man will be." (Matthew 24:37) When Noah loaded the animals into the ark, did the wicked take note? "For just as the days of Noah were, so the presence of the Son of man will be." (Matthew 24:37) When Noah entered into the ark and Jehovah sealed the door, a full week before it began to flood, did the wicked take note? When the manifestation increases in frequency and intensity as in distress pangs climax, it will phase into the Revelation Phase of the Son of man. "and they took no note until the Flood came and swept them all away, so the presence of the Son of man will be." (Matthew 24:39) https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1001070624#h=70:~:text=“The days of Noah” actually,who do not seek deliverance.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Witness in What's going on in Ukraine 🇺🇦???   
    @Patiently waiting for Truth's expectations are not as far-fetched as you believe.  God expects truth to be taught by those who are Christ's ambassadors. (2 Cor 5:20) Is His brush broad and judgmental?   Would an honest diplomat of a country slander the words of the leader he is representing, by twisting his words to convey a message altogether different than what he sent his ambassador to proclaim?  
    A liar among God's people is a much more serious transgression than a ruling liar in the political world.
    "There are six things that the Lord hates, seven that are an abomination to him: haughty eyes, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked plans, feet that make haste to run to evil, a false witness who breathes out lies, and one who sows discord among brothers."  Prov 6:16-19
    Were JWs never partakers in false witnessing the generation doctrine; or maybe the 1975 date of Armageddon (just to name a few). 
     
     
    John 4:10 - Jesus answered, “If you knew the gift of God, and who is saying to you, ‘Give me a drink,’ you would ask him, and he would give you living water.”
    John 4:14 – “but whoever drinks of the water that I will give him shall never thirst; but the water that I will give him will become in him a well of water springing up to eternal life.”
    John 14:6 – I am the way, the truth, and the life.  No one comes to the Father except through me.
    John 7:38 - The one who believes in me, as the Scripture has said, will have streams of living water flow from deep within him.”
    Prov 18:4 - The words of a man’s mouth are deep waters; The fountain of wisdom is a bubbling brook.
    Matt 7:7,8 – “Ask, and it will be given to you. Seek, and you will find. Knock, and the door will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives, and the one who seeks finds, and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened.”
    There is nothing impure that comes from Jesus Christ.  He expects us to ask for “living water”.  Men taint this “living water” that we see in God’s word with their own ideas; thus, as long as JWs remain with the men who have muddied and poisoned the living water of truth, (Heb 12:15; Rev 8:10-11)with their continuous changed and failed doctrine, as well as their established lies, it is as you say; you will never find the truth from God and Christ "in this world".  
    Prov 25:26 - "A righteous person who yields to the wicked is like a muddied spring or a polluted well."
    Luke 6:45 - "A good man brings good things out of the good stored up in his heart, and an evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in his heart. For the mouth speaks what the heart is full of."
     
     
     
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to BroRando in Bible Prophecy and 2034. Will you gain spiritual discernment to become a Survivor of the Last Days?   
    2034 is not an end all date.  Human life span was everlasting, then death was introduced of a day of thousand years, so the human life span was less than 1,000 years.  Jehovah decided to speed things up and changed the life span to 70 or 80 years a little longer due to mightiness. 
    The 120 is representative of 3 x 40 periods. Which cannot be grasped by those who are not true. Therefore, the 120 is an illustration. 
    Mark 4:11
    He said to them: “To you the sacred secret of the Kingdom of God has been given, but to those outside all things are in illustrations,
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Arauna in Bible Prophecy and 2034. Will you gain spiritual discernment to become a Survivor of the Last Days?   
    Thank you for your perspective...... I enjoyed reading it.
    This however does not in my mind justify jumping to a 2034 conclusion for Armageddon and the beginning of the new millenium. 
    However, the idea is not far fetched.... as I said before ..... because the generation in Noah's time before the flood  was 120 years. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to BroRando in Bible Prophecy and 2034. Will you gain spiritual discernment to become a Survivor of the Last Days?   
    Correct, but 40 is significant. How long was Jesus teaching his disciples on earth before asending to heaven after his resurrection? 
    "After he had suffered, he showed himself alive to them by many convincing proofs. He was seen by them throughout 40 days, and he was speaking about the Kingdom of God." (Acts 1:3)
    How long was Jesus in the wilderness being tempted by Satan?  How long did it rain on the earth in order to cleanse it? Jesus, Moses, and Elijah all fasted for how many days?
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Pudgy in Bible Prophecy and 2034. Will you gain spiritual discernment to become a Survivor of the Last Days?   
    The Genesis account of the creation of the Earth is not taken from a viewpoint in outer space, the entire account is taken from the viewpoint of a person standing on the ground looking at events.
     
    What he sees from the ground is what is recorded.

    Go to Genesis again and re-read it keeping that idea in perspective firmly in mind, and it makes a lot more sense with what we know happened from solid evidence.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to JW Insider in Bible Prophecy and 2034. Will you gain spiritual discernment to become a Survivor of the Last Days?   
    I agree, generally. You can't know for sure that it was exactly 40, since the Bible doesn't tell us. It could have been just those 4.5 hrs (Fri) + 24 hrs (Sat) + 0.5 hrs on Sunday, or as many as 11 hours on Sunday. That leaves a range of 29 hours up to a maximum of 39.5. So I agree that 40 might be the maximum, outside possibility that the synoptics would allow for. And that's where I got the "1.64 days" [max] altogether, similar to your number, less than two days.
    You apparently stake quite a lot on the idea that Jesus was dead for exactly 40 hours even though the Bible gives us a range that apparently runs from about 29 hours minimum to 39.5 hours, maximum. I would agree that 40 is an outside possibility, but my point was trying to show that we can't be exact where the Bible is not exact.
    And yet, you go so far as to imply that all can be lost, like Satan, if one doesn't accept the meaning of "40" and the fact of Jesus being dead for exactly 40 hours.
    More speculation on your part. How do you know that Satan thought a day to Jehovah was 24 hours. Satan seems to be taking advantage of the idea that he knew it would not be within 24 hours that Adam would die. Besides, the Watchtower once taught that a "day" with Jehovah could have been 42,000 years long, since Genesis 2:4 refers to all 6 creative days as a single day, and we used to teach that each creative day must have been 7,000 years long (6x7,000=42,000).
    *** it-1 p. 594 Day ***
    The entire period of the six time units or creative “days” dedicated to the preparation of planet Earth is summed up in one all-embracing “day” at Genesis 2:4:
    (Genesis 2:4) This is a history of the heavens and the earth in the time they were created, in the day that Jehovah God made earth and heaven.
    So, for all you know, Satan thought that a day to Jehovah was 42,000 years long, or at least 7,000! Where would Satan have gotten the idea that a day to Jehovah is only 1,000 years, or as you say, only 24 hours??
    Somehow, you don't make it sound like your "ministry" is based on faith in God and love of God and neighbor. By going through the machinations to calculate the number of hours Jesus might have been dead, I was hoping you would catch on that this is all just pure speculation and has nothing to do with the Christian objective:
    (1 Timothy 1:4-7) . . .Such things end up in nothing useful but merely give rise to speculations rather than providing anything from God in connection with faith. 5 Really, the objective of this instruction is love out of a clean heart and out of a good conscience and out of faith without hypocrisy. 6 By deviating from these things, some have been turned aside to meaningless talk. 7 They want to be teachers of law, but they do not understand either the things they are saying or the things they insist on so strongly.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to BroRando in Bible Prophecy and 2034. Will you gain spiritual discernment to become a Survivor of the Last Days?   
    Jesus was dead for 40 hours. Parts of three days.  So the 40 hours is actually less then two days. Study what 40 means and you may gain spiritual discernment, otherwise like Satan, all can be lost.  Satan thought a day to Jehovah was 24 hours but in reality it was 1,000 years. Adam therefore died within the day of 1,000 years.  
    "However, do not let this escape your notice, beloved ones, that one day is with Jehovah as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day." (2 Peter 3:8)
    "For a thousand years are in your eyes just as yesterday when it is past, Just as a watch during the night." (Psalm 90:4)
    "So all the days of Adam’s life amounted to 930 years, and then he died." (Genesis 5:5)
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Pudgy in Bible Prophecy and 2034. Will you gain spiritual discernment to become a Survivor of the Last Days?   
    You know, I never thought about this before a few minutes ago, but perhaps Wally's lie about owning a .50 cal sniper rifle was intended to be a veiled threat?
    …… just thinking out loud, no more
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to JW Insider in Bible Prophecy and 2034. Will you gain spiritual discernment to become a Survivor of the Last Days?   
    If we use Matthew, Mark, Luke (but not John) we see that Jesus died around 3pm on Friday, just before Sabbath, which would have started around 7:30pm close to Nisan 14. (The Jewish calendar, as you know, starts the new day at sundown.) Jesus remained in the grave the entire Sabbath day (Saturday), and sometime Sunday morning, the women came to the grave and found the body missing, signifying that Jesus had already been raised up.
    At a minimum, therefore, Jesus had therefore been dead for at least 4.5 hours on Friday. Then then entire 24 hours on Saturday. And anywhere from 0 hours to 11 hours on Sunday. Assuming he had been raised during the night watch, or no later than around 6am on Sunday when the women came to the grave. (7:30pm to 6:30am is 11 hours). If we assume, for argument's sake, about half way into the overnight watch, then Jesus was raised around 1:30am.
    So 4/24ths + 24/24ths +6/24 = 34/24ths. (=1+10/24ths) So Jesus was in the grave for around, we could guess, the equivalent of 1.4 days. If you decided to multiply that by 1000 years (per day) you would get only 1,400 years. If you tried to be accurate you could not get less than 1.1875days or 1,188 years and not more than 1.64 days or 1,640 years.
    Of course, you are using Hosea to give you the excuse to round off all of this to two days. (So that you can add exactly 2,000 years to 33CE.) But the Greek Scriptures already round off the number of days to 3, since it was parts of 3 days (even if only a small part of Friday, and a small part of Sunday). This is why the parallel to Jonah was made (where Jonah was in the "grave" for three days). 
    I don't see where you find the right to round off to two days in the "grave" if the Bible rounds to three days, and it was literally only about a day-and-a-half from 3pm Friday to 6am Sunday.
    This whole thing reminds me of the assumption Russell once published, that because the Bible says Abraham's sacrifice of a bird was a "young bird" that the bird can be assumed to be "one year old" and he therefore it was turned into exactly 360 years, using a day for a year and multiplying the year times 360.
    To me, all this seems like you are taking extreme liberties with statements of the Bible that have already been fulfilled, and you are trying to push another fulfillment onto them. I also agree with Arauna that the entire idea of using Jesus' death and resurrection to create a new prophecy does not seem correct. It seems presumptuous to base a prediction of a new prophecy onto one that the Bible says was fulfilled.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Pudgy in EXPERIMENT NO. 006   
    Oh dear, you've spoilt the fun  .  
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to The Librarian in EXPERIMENT NO. 006   
    No need. I banned Wally McNasty for Abusive Behaviour.
    Let's all BNBR everyone....
    Be Nice, Be Respectful please....
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to TrueTomHarley in What's going on in Ukraine 🇺🇦???   
    and play whak-a-mole, I’m afraid.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Pudgy in What's going on in Ukraine 🇺🇦???   
    ….. sez the king of agenda driven down votes ….
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