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    Leander H. McNelly reacted to JJJ-AUSTRALIA in BRAZIL: WATCH TOWER CLAIM RAID ON PREMISES UNLAWFUL   
    Yeah i wonder why...  🤣🤣🤣
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    Leander H. McNelly reacted to JJJ-AUSTRALIA in BRAZIL: WATCH TOWER CLAIM RAID ON PREMISES UNLAWFUL   
    The Watchtower is getting PROsecuted no PERsecuted all over the World. 
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    Leander H. McNelly got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in BRAZIL: WATCH TOWER CLAIM RAID ON PREMISES UNLAWFUL   
    The Watchtower has been giving clear instruction about child abuse since the 50s. It's up to the people to listen. Can you control the behavior of another? Don't just argue, use common sense, your logic is useless.
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    Leander H. McNelly got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in BRAZIL: WATCH TOWER CLAIM RAID ON PREMISES UNLAWFUL   
    That’s the point, the watchtower doesn’t hide pedophiles, it's your gig! A profound anti-establishment just because you decided to listen to nonsense from the internet and fake members here.  However, there needs to be a rule of law, an objective not demonstrated here, yet foretold in scripture.

    Peddle those goods elsewhere with your kind, Tinker!

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    Leander H. McNelly got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in BRAZIL: WATCH TOWER CLAIM RAID ON PREMISES UNLAWFUL   
    Yeah the same place San (Sao) Paulo Brazil where the Vatican held a conference of Bishops so the POPE could let them now they were losing a lot of Catholics to witnesses and it needed to be stopped. Police raids is a good starting point by the Vatican influence of by corruption.

    The same criminal activity going on in Mexico against the Watchtower. But then again, Criminal Abuse is happening throughout the world against the Watchtower, thanks to ex-witnesses and fake members.

    Catholics need to keep their members just like the Orthodox, Jews, and any other religion that has a stronghold in a nation.

    It’s good to know lawless men here have no problem with governments overstepping their authority by forgetting their own laws and standards. That says more about people here than the raids themselves.

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    Leander H. McNelly got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Non-JW's Will Also Live in Paradise   
    Wow! Trying to revive a 2016 topic.
    Try understanding the ARC transcript. Yes! The righteous and unrighteous will be resurrected, Judgement day will have a separation between the sheep and goats. So, NO! Non-JW’s ( not God’s People) as it stands now cannot be considered the (righteous)
    Non-JW’s as it stands now will be considered the (Goats). There is no justification and excuse on someone’s personal action and behavior. You either serve G-d the right way or you don’t. Jesus spoke of unity.
    Who is your church or do you consider like “witness” the church is the open air? Therefore, no need to seek those with the same faith.
    Will there be others following the example of the Watchtower and proclaim the good news as directed by Jesus in scripture, with everything else involved by keeping the congregation clean? Then, you would think they would be Witness like serving in the same capacity as the Watchtower.
    I have NOT seen another organization doing that yet!
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    Leander H. McNelly reacted to Witness in Gerrit Losch Puts the Faithful Slave in a Spot of Bother   
    Never mind the spiritual food, it appears, at least with the physical eye, to be so organized! 
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    Leander H. McNelly reacted to JJJ-AUSTRALIA in Gerrit Losch Puts the Faithful Slave in a Spot of Bother   
    Thats a perfect example how every teaching in the watchtower its a mess... 
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    Leander H. McNelly reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in The public talk title today was, "Where can you find security in this world?"   
    The GB gives orders to hide it and it seems it is the Elders that still do not see it as a crime. 
    When Elders knew about a situation in 2016 but kept it hidden until 2019 then the Elders must have considered it was just a conflict within that time period.  
    But I'm learning more and more each day Tom.
    And each day more and more truth about JW Org is being made public.
    I see HQ are grabbing all the money and property from the UK Kingdom Halls now. 
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    Leander H. McNelly reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in The public talk title today was, "Where can you find security in this world?"   
    Where can you find security in this world?"
    That is almost funny in the current situation of Child Sexual Abuse earthwide in JW Org. 
    But it's not funny because of the seriousness of it. 
    Quote " But if you keep quiet, then all will be safe."    
    Quote "So next time a conflict arises between you and any of your brothers or sisters, WILL YOU SHOUT ?@
    Another topic is talking about manipulation. Well here is a great example of it.
    Telling congregants to keep quiet and put up with it all. Telling congregants that they will be safe if they keep quiet. 
    Have you not heard ? This child sexual abuse is still happening now in JW Org. 
    DON'T KEEP QUIET, TELL EVERY ONE ABOUT IT, THEN YOU MIGHT EVENTUALLY BE SAFE FROM THESE PAEDOPHILES .
     
     
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    Leander H. McNelly reacted to Witness in The public talk title today was, "Where can you find security in this world?"   
    Psalm 91 speaks of God as our refuge, our fortress.  The talk transfers this to the congregation; which is in reality, the organization - “a god of fortress”.  Dan 11:36-39 
    Psalm 91 loses all meaning through this talk.   If a person on the outside of the WT tells a JW that God is their fortress, their Rock, most definitely in the JW mind, he will not believe it.  How can that be without residing in the organization?  The Rock and the "mountainlike organization" are inseparable, which is idolatry.  Rev 13:4
     
     
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    Leander H. McNelly reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in The public talk title today was, "Where can you find security in this world?"   
    I've replaced excitement with peace, calmness and happiness . 
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    Leander H. McNelly reacted to Witness in A SOUVENIR FROM BETHEL??   
    Yes, it reminds me of Matt 24:24-27  They failed to hear the words of Christ, but chose their own doctrine instead.  Mark 7:7
    We are aware of Russell’s teaching based on pyramidology:
    “Influenced by the pyramidology theories of John Taylor and Charles Piazzi Smyth, Nelson Barbour and Charles Russell taught that the Great Pyramid of Giza contained prophetic measurements in "pyramid inches" that pointed to both 1874 and 1914. Russell viewed the Great Pyramid as "God's Stone Witness and Prophet".[70][71] Smyth reviewed Russell's manuscript on the Great Pyramid before publication and Russell credited him and Scottish writer Robert Menzies for the view "that the Great Pyramid is Jehovah's 'Witness', and that it was as important a witness to divine truth as to natural science."[72][73] Prophetic dates derived from the measurements inside the Great Pyramid were seen as complementary to biblical interpretations. Russell included the Great Pyramid as part of his film and color slide production The Photo-Drama of Creation in 1914, suggesting that the Great Pyramid was built by the Old Testament king-priest Melchizedek. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eschatology_of_Jehovah's_Witnesses
    That is what I see in the second photo above,  – an influencing icon of a pyramid and the teachings incorporated by it.    But, as we also see, there is an eye placed at the top of the pyramid.  It appears to be the “eye of providence”, symbolic for the eye of God.
    In Freemasonry:
    "Today the Eye of Providence is often associated with Freemasonry, although it is originally a Christian symbol. The Eye first appeared as part of the standard iconography of the Freemasons in 1797, with the publication of Thomas Smith Webb's Freemasons Monitor. Here, it represents the all-seeing eye of God and is a reminder that humanity's thoughts and deeds are always observed by God (who is referred to in Masonry as the Great Architect of the Universe. )Typically, the Masonic Eye of Providence has a semi-circular glory below it. Sometimes this Masonic Eye is enclosed by a triangle.
    Popular among conspiracy theorists is the claim that the Eye of Providence shown atop an unfinished pyramid on the Great Seal of the United States indicates the influence of Freemasonry in the founding of the United States. However, common Masonic use of the Eye dates to 14 years after the creation of the Great Seal. Furthermore, among the members of the various design committees for the Great Seal, only Benjamin Franklin was a Mason (and his ideas for the seal were not adopted). Various Masonic organizations have explicitly denied any connection to the creation of the Seal."https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eye_of_Providence

     
    The WT has been known to use its version of “the Great Architect of the Universe” in its magazines:
    “Despite the opinion of such men, God’s own Word says that the design was received under inspiration by Moses from the great Architect of the universe, Jehovah God himself.”  W 56 11/15 pp. 685-687
     
    “Consider, rather, how marvelously the Great Architect of the universe implanted in men so great a variety of capabilities!”  g70 5/22 pg 20-23
    It seems they reasoned that if they made a seesaw version of capital letters, no one would notice the connection to Freemasonry.  One year after the above Awake statement comes this testimony:
    “I tried to find the truth in various religious organizations but can now see that they did not have it. Then I became a member of Freemasonry in the belief that thereby I could fill the need of every human to worship a Supreme Being that some call the Great Architect of the Universe. The Bible identifies him as Jehovah in Psalm 83:18and also at Isaiah 42:8, which says, ‘I am Jehovah. That is my name; and to no one else shall I give my own glory, neither my praise to graven images.’
    “In Freemasonry I found very good friends and sincere persons, but I did not find there the truth that I looked for. I have really found it among Jehovah’s witnesses.
    “I have learned from the Bible that this wicked world together with all its religious and political organizations will be destroyed at the coming battle of God. Revelation 18:4 says, ‘And I heard another voice out of heaven say: “Get out of her, my people, if you do not want to share with her in her sins, and if you do not want to receive part of her plagues.”’ The Bible shows that Babylon the Great represents the false religious organizations and says they will be destroyed. So why remain within them?
    “This is the reason for my request to be taken off the list of members of the Masonic Lodge. From now on I am one of Jehovah’s witnesses and I will be attending the Kingdom Hall of Jehovah’s witnesses in order to study more deeply the Bible and be able to bring this knowledge to persons seeking the truth. Yours truly.”  Yb 1971, p. 115
    From CT Russell's book, the Divine Plan of the Ages:

     http://www.strictlygenteel.co.uk/plan/chart.html
     
    What I perceive, is two-faced hypocrisy in the inscription on the coin above:  
    "The Legacy Continues". 
    As well as the Wt's link commemorating the 100 year anniversary of the photo-drama as a "Milestone in Bible Education".  
    Yes, it is the legacy of deceit, denial, and the absence of Truth from its beginning foundation, down to today.  
     
     
     
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    Leander H. McNelly reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in A SOUVENIR FROM BETHEL??   
    Yes, it reminds me of a scripture about building a house on sand and it gets washed away.
    The JW Org was definitely built on very poor foundations. 
    Each Creative day being 7,000 years long ? I think that idea got washed away. 
    But i know nothing about the pyramid and the eye.  ???? 
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    Leander H. McNelly reacted to Witness in A SOUVENIR FROM BETHEL??   
    https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2014130#h=1:0-27:80
     
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    Leander H. McNelly reacted to Shiwiii in Jehovah’s Witness UK Headquarters Dissolves Kingdom Hall Charities, Seizes Full Control of Property and Finances   
    agreed that is how it should work, right? So why then is it not this way? 
     
    Classic definition of insanity.......just saying. 
     
     
    These statements of yours have a taste of disdain, but yet in the same breath almost an acceptance as that's just how it is. 
    If that is just how it is, who is going to " ... is vote with their wallets ........ and their feet." ?
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    Leander H. McNelly reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in Jehovah’s Witness UK Headquarters Dissolves Kingdom Hall Charities, Seizes Full Control of Property and Finances   
    @James Thomas Rook Jr.   Um, I remember you writing about marking your cheque 'For Local Needs' or something like that.
    So what do you think then ? 
    " Five documents were leaked, including a private letter to all elders, a separate letter to be read to congregations, ............ "
    So sly but why ? What do they need to hide ? And some say this religion is 'the truth'  
    " The language used cleverly suggests that the merger is optional: "
    " It may be of interest to the Charity Commission that congregational compliance to central directives is not optional. All resolutions placed before congregation members from the Jehovah’s Witness governing entities are passed without contest. "
    " ...the latest directive appears to give the Kingdom Hall Trust the ability to extract funds normally marked for local use only, and allocate them for use by Jehovah’s Witness leadership anywhere in the world." 
    The next move is to to take all the money and whatever land documents, and take it all to the USA HQ.  UK JWs will own nothing. Well I've said it before, the GB are a dictatorship. 
     
     
     
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    Leander H. McNelly reacted to Isabella in Jehovah’s Witness UK Headquarters Dissolves Kingdom Hall Charities, Seizes Full Control of Property and Finances   
    JW Survey has obtained documents affirming that the Jehovah’s Witness headquarters in the United Kingdom has orchestrated a systematic takeover bid of all Kingdom Hall properties located in England, Scotland and Wales.
    In a letter dated November 8th, 2019, the London-based Kingdom Hall Trust announced that all UK congregations will dissolve their status as individual charities and become branches of the KHT.

    The Kingdom Hall Trust (KHT) is a Jehovah’s Witness legal corporation established in 1939 as the London Company of Kingdom Witnesses. On June 30, 1978, it was officially registered as a charity in the UK.
    In 1994, the name was changed to the Kingdom Hall Trust.

    While the KHT was already engaged in the acquisition of property used by Jehovah’s Witness church members, the latest directive “proposes” that all UK Branch Congregations relinquish their individual charity status and operate under the blanket control of the Kingdom Hall Trust charity.
    Five documents were leaked, including a private letter to all elders, a separate letter to be read to congregations, and an FAQ document explaining the dissolution of congregation charities. Also included are the pre-formatted meeting minutes and congregation resolutions to be filled out, resolved, and returned to the KHT.
    According to the letter presented to individual congregations, the UK Charity Commission approved the merging of all UK congregations into the Kingdom Hall Trust, with the premise that all congregations in the United Kingdom agree to these changes.
    The language used cleverly suggests that the merger is optional:
    “Your charity is now being invited to take part in this process and merge with The Kingdom Hall Trust. Next week a resolution will be put to all baptized members of your congregation so that you can decide whether or not to go along with this proposal.” [bold ours]
    It may be of interest to the Charity Commission that congregational compliance to central directives is not optional. All resolutions placed before congregation members from the Jehovah’s Witness governing entities are passed without contest.
    Financial Implications
    While the Kingdom Hall Trust directors state that these changes are for purposes of simplification, the leaked documents suggest that permanent control of property and finances may be the true motivation.
    The November 2019 letter to congregation members says:
    “However, because elders would no longer serve as trustees, your local donations would be administered by KHT as part of its general funds. This could mean that the Trustees decide to use your donations to support the Kingdom work elsewhere in our branch territory and throughout the world to meet the needs of our brothers and sisters. This is in harmony with the equalizing explained at 2 Corinthians 8:14 “… that by means of an equalizing, your surplus at the present time might offset their need, so that their surplus might also offset your deficiency, that there may be an equalizing”.” [bold ours]
    While Witnesses have always been able to donate funds to the “Worldwide” work, the latest directive appears to give the Kingdom Hall Trust the ability to extract funds normally marked for local use only, and allocate them for use by Jehovah’s Witness leadership anywhere in the world.
    Read more: https://jwsurvey.org/news/jehovahs-witness-uk-headquarters-dissolves-kingdom-hall-charities-seizes-full-control-of-property-and-finances
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    Leander H. McNelly reacted to Isabella in What Does A Secret Database Kept By Jehovah’s Witnesses Reveal About Potential Sexual Abusers?   
    The organization allegedly directed elders in all of its United States congregations to send detailed reports on members facing an allegation of sexually abusing a child to its headquarters.
    Since the late 1990s blue envelopes from Jehovah’s Witness congregations across the country have been sent to the organization’s headquarters. But, it’s the information inside those envelopes that contain damaging secrets. 
    The blue envelopes contained detailed reports of members within the religion accused of child molestation. Officials scanned those documents into a database of files for each congregation, according to a sworn deposition by an official with The Watchtower Bible and Tract Society obtained by Reveal, the website for the Center for Investigative Reporting. 
    But the specific details within that database have largely remained a secret—despite court orders and calls from the public to release its contents, leading some to accuse the organization of concealing suspected child abusers. 
    The child abuse files were collected after the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society—the organization that oversees the Jehovah’s Witnesses—sent a request in March 1997 to all of its United States congregations requesting that each congregation write a detailed report about anyone within the religion who had been accused of child molestation and send it to the headquarters in the special blue envelope, according to The Atlantic
    Full article: https://www.oxygen.com/the-witnesses/crime-news/jehovahs-witnesses-keep-secret-database-of-potential-sexual-predators
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    Leander H. McNelly reacted to Ray Devereaux in Jehovah's Witnesses have hired known cult apologist Massimo Introvigne to write a 21-page "Expert Opinion" defending the Witnesses for their child abuse mishandling.   
    Pedophile priests. Shame, pain and truth about the attack on Benedict XVI

     
    Pedophile priests exist. Many of us would like it to be just a bad dream, or slander from the secularist press. Unfortunately, this is not the case. And that's not what the Pope teaches us. In the magnificent Letter to the Catholics of Ireland of 19 March 20, O Benedict XVI speaks of a Church wounded and disoriented by news relating to pedophile priests: news, unfortunately, not always unfounded. The pope denounces in a very loud voice "abnormal crimes", "shame and dishonor", the violation of the dignity of the victims, the blow inflicted on the Church "to a point which had not even reached centuries of persecution" (Benedict XVI 2010, from which the subsequent citations are also taken). Page 5


     
    Can it be the purpose of Massimo Introvigne is to realistically examine a condition that is out of any “religions” control but find it an extreme negativism for ignorant people to suggest any religious leaders accepts child abuse?

    However, I don’t recall when the Watchtower sent “Elders” accused of child abuse to a monastery (correctional facility) to rehabilitate that minister of religion as the Catholic Church does.

    Perhaps, people are better suited to “think” here before making embarrassing comments. I am sure, even apostates have the ability to think with such “personal” human condition. How many governments and government run institutions are charged for a crime, because of its residents?

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    Leander H. McNelly reacted to Srecko Sostar in Jehovah's Witnesses have hired known cult apologist Massimo Introvigne to write a 21-page "Expert Opinion" defending the Witnesses for their child abuse mishandling.   
    In Australia hearing they tried the same thing with a little help of Dr. Monica Applewhite. 
    https://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/sites/default/files/file-list/Case Study 29 - Findings Report - Jehovahs Witnesses.pdf
    8 Expert Evidence for the Jehovah’s Witness Organisation      page 73-75
     At the request of Watchtower Australia,637 the Royal Commission heard evidence from Dr Applewhite, who was engaged by Watchtower Australia to provide a report on the response of the Jehovah’s Witness organisation to allegations of child sexual abuse.
     
     
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    Leander H. McNelly reacted to Shiwiii in Jehovah's Witnesses have hired known cult apologist Massimo Introvigne to write a 21-page "Expert Opinion" defending the Witnesses for their child abuse mishandling.   
    Why?
     
    Why the need to hire anyone?
     
    they've been defending themselves for a long time, so why now with an outside.....hired......source?
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    Leander H. McNelly reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in Jehovah's Witnesses have hired known cult apologist Massimo Introvigne to write a 21-page "Expert Opinion" defending the Witnesses for their child abuse mishandling.   
    I see we have a new Cowboy in the room. @Leander H. McNelly   Must be a friend of @BillyTheKid47 
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    Leander H. McNelly reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in Jehovah's Witnesses have hired known cult apologist Massimo Introvigne to write a 21-page "Expert Opinion" defending the Witnesses for their child abuse mishandling.   
    I expect all the JWs on here will run and hide in the Closed / Private Group, all in shame of their leaders the GB and the Lawyers that lie on their behalf. I wish there were more JWs on here, to give their honest opinion of the mess the JW Org is in. Surely this is not how God wants to be served ? 
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