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Jehovah's Witnesses have hired known cult apologist Massimo Introvigne to write a 21-page "Expert Opinion" defending the Witnesses for their child abuse mishandling.

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JWs will probably love to know he wrote this book. 😂

 

 

 

I wonder how much ice cream money went into this and who decided to spend it thus instead of saving someone from dying in agony...

A report like this is easy to purchase. The authors have no morals or credibility and the 'report' was built off a set of required talking points provided by the watchtower. The very fact that they spent an massive pile of ice cream money on something completely non-binding means they are mortified of the possibility that the Dutch report will cause a massive Exodus.

He was even interviewed by JW.ORG and you can download the video here:

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All they had to do was use one of their own college educated scholars to write on their behalf! Oh wait...

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The JW Org / Watchtower Soc' / GB  are No part of the world ? 

They seem to be digging themselves deeper into the world every day. Obviously NOT guided by God's holy spirit. 

The plot thickens, but they cannot have God's approval at all, on this and many other matters. 

Is Almighty God bringing it all to a head ?

Is Jesus Christ showing the world how wicked the GB and it's Org are ?

Come on JWs lets hear your defence of this one 

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@Witness  the video is (for me anyway) over the top Americanism unfortunately. BUT what he is saying is true. 

We can see how the first sentence of this report starts off.  1. 

Expert Opinion, Holly Folk, Massimo Introvigne, J. Gordon Melton.

1. We have been requested by the law firm of Mr. Shane Brady, representing the “Christian Congregation of Jehovah’s Witnesses in the Netherlands”, 

Shane Brady, it seems, is/ was in 2007, an "in house Witnesses lawyer and respected 'Bethelite'. and a senior religious leader.... that defended the blood issue in 2007. 

I can't quite understand how this Mr Brady can be be a full time JW living in Bethel / HQ in USA, and at  the same time be part of this Law Firm below. 

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Picture of the W. Glen How & Associates LLP logo

 

Shane H. Brady, J.D.

Partner

Picture of Shane H. Brady, J.D.

Shane received his law degree from Osgoode Law School (Toronto, Ontario) (later converted to J.D.) and was admitted to the Ontario Bar in 2001. He articled under the tutelage of our eminent founding lawyer, W. Glen How, O.C., Q.C., L.S.M. Few other mentors could have provided the breadth and depth of legal education. Shane has done trial and appellate work in civil, family, constitutional, and criminal law.

Shane has advocated for mature minors' rights to make their own medical treatment decisions. He was the primary lawyer in a case from the provincial trial court to the Supreme Court of Canada, resulting in the seminal decision of the Supreme Court of Canada in AC v Manitoba (Director of Child and Family Services), 2009 SCC 30, [2009] 2 SCR 181.

Currently Shane specializes in international human rights work in the European Court of Human Rights, the Court of Justice of the European Union, and the United Nations Human Rights Committee, representing clients in both European and post-Soviet countries. 

So is he only representing JWs ? 

 So it was this Mr Brady, JW leader, Lawyer, currently specialising in human rights, that hired the EXPERT OPINION report, using a man, Massimo Introvigne  that writes about satanism and From 2008 to 2016 he has served as vice-president of the Catholic movement 

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 Massimo Introvigne is also known to :-  

 he advocates doctrinaire positions that favour groups like Scientology.
 
Sorry the writing is a mess, it's grabbing quote that don't want to fit together.
 
But, oh dear, the GB and their lawyers seem to have a lot to answer for. I honestly wonder how God and Christ feel about it all. What is Jesus feeling right now, that he actually died for this mess ? 
 
 
 
 
 

 

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9 hours ago, 4Jah2me said:

The JW Org / Watchtower Soc' / GB  are No part of the world ? 

They seem to be digging themselves deeper into the world every day. Obviously NOT guided by God's holy spirit. 

The plot thickens, but they cannot have God's approval at all, on this and many other matters. 

Is Almighty God bringing it all to a head ?

Is Jesus Christ showing the world how wicked the GB and it's Org are ?

Come on JWs lets hear your defence of this one 

Unfortunately we have seen time after time the watchtower can twist, lied and change things as it suits them, so im sure they can make something up..

And remember the watchtower doesn't need to defend themselves if JWs doesn't know about it.... 😆😆😆

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I expect all the JWs on here will run and hide in the Closed / Private Group, all in shame of their leaders the GB and the Lawyers that lie on their behalf. I wish there were more JWs on here, to give their honest opinion of the mess the JW Org is in. Surely this is not how God wants to be served ? 

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30 minutes ago, Shiwiii said:

Why?

 

Why the need to hire anyone?

 

they've been defending themselves for a long time, so why now with an outside.....hired......source?

In Australia hearing they tried the same thing with a little help of Dr. Monica Applewhite. 

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8 Expert Evidence for the Jehovah’s Witness Organisation      page 73-75

 At the request of Watchtower Australia,637 the Royal Commission heard evidence from Dr Applewhite, who was engaged by Watchtower Australia to provide a report on the response of the Jehovah’s Witness organisation to allegations of child sexual abuse.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Shiwiii said:

Why?

 

Why the need to hire anyone?

 

they've been defending themselves for a long time, so why now with an outside.....hired......source?

They are desperate.  "Outsourcing" when Holy Spirit is not aiding them "in house", is the only way.  

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48 minutes ago, Srecko Sostar said:

In Australia hearing they tried the same thing with a little help of Dr. Monica Applewhite.

I see that from your post. What I don't get is do they really think that an outside person is going to be able to explain the wt position better then they can? They have lawyers on speed dial, no? Or do you think they have to outsource because the wt's lawyers can only handle personal cases ( witness against another person or the like) and not really so when it comes to another organization?

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18 minutes ago, Witness said:

They are desperate.  "Outsourcing" when Holy Spirit is not aiding them "in house", is the only way.  

Understandable given what they have caught with, but to use a known person who has advocated for the likes of Scientology? They really couldn't find anyone else? Or do you think they are doing this on purpose, actually wanting the guy who wrote for Scientology, so that maybe....just maybe, they won't look as bad as Scientology? 

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7 minutes ago, Shiwiii said:

I see that from your post. What I don't get is do they really think that an outside person is going to be able to explain the wt position better then they can? They have lawyers on speed dial, no? Or do you think they have to outsource because the wt's lawyers can only handle personal cases ( witness against another person or the like) and not really so when it comes to another organization?

Perhaps they use sort of "strategy". To find "neutral" party/side who will find nice few words for them. 

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21 minutes ago, Shiwiii said:

They really couldn't find anyone else?

It appears that they made the top choice, and one they were already familiar with, or had developed "ties" with, as we see from the jw org link.  

 

Wikipedia on Cesnur, the organization that Introvigne directs:

CESNUR has been described as "the highest profile lobbying and information group for controversial religions".

But, we know "the love of money is the root of all evil"

CESNUR describes itself as an independent scholarly organization, but the organization has met with criticism for alleged personal and financial ties to the groups it studies; anthropologist Richard Singelenberg questioned in 1997 whether CESNUR is "too friendly and does not make enough critical comments about new religious movements and sects".[12] Many scholars, however, see it in a favourable light and share its criticism of the "sect-monitors".[2]

 

For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs.  1 Tim 6:10

 

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Expert Opinion, Holly Folk, Massimo Introvigne, J. Gordon Melton. 

1. We have been requested by the law firm of Mr. Shane Brady, representing the “Christian Congregation of Jehovah’s Witnesses in the Netherlands”, to examine the report “Sexual Abuse and Willingness to Report Within the Community of Jehovah’s Witnesses,” 

file:///C:/Users/ohnja utlerba/Downloads/TK+Bijlage+1+Expert+Opinion (6).pdf

@James Thomas Rook Jr.   So is the above fraud ?  It's easily available online. 

Shane Brady is / was a Bethelite it seems as I've previously uploaded. So is it all  lies ? 

 

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Pedophile priests. Shame, pain and truth about the attack on Benedict XVI

 

Pedophile priests exist. Many of us would like it to be just a bad dream, or slander from the secularist press. Unfortunately, this is not the case. And that's not what the Pope teaches us. In the magnificent Letter to the Catholics of Ireland of 19 March 20, O Benedict XVI speaks of a Church wounded and disoriented by news relating to pedophile priests: news, unfortunately, not always unfounded. The pope denounces in a very loud voice "abnormal crimes", "shame and dishonor", the violation of the dignity of the victims, the blow inflicted on the Church "to a point which had not even reached centuries of persecution" (Benedict XVI 2010, from which the subsequent citations are also taken). Page 5

 

Can it be the purpose of Massimo Introvigne is to realistically examine a condition that is out of any “religions” control but find it an extreme negativism for ignorant people to suggest any religious leaders accepts child abuse?

However, I don’t recall when the Watchtower sent “Elders” accused of child abuse to a monastery (correctional facility) to rehabilitate that minister of religion as the Catholic Church does.

Perhaps, people are better suited to “think” here before making embarrassing comments. I am sure, even apostates have the ability to think with such “personal” human condition. How many governments and government run institutions are charged for a crime, because of its residents?

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11 hours ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

 

Any way to independently check this?

The burden of proof lies with those making the assertions.

For some reason, and it may be just a problem on my end,  I can't open the link provided by  @4Jah2me  Here's another one from reddit:

 

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 “This comes from a report the Jehovah's Witnesses submitted to the Dutch Government in relation to an inquiry in the handling of child sexual abuse in the JW church.

You can download the 'expert opinion' straight from the official website of the Dutch House of Representatives" ('

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 CESNUR's conference program:

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Listed:

Christian Religious Movements in Context

Chair: Dyron DAUGHRITY

Third Millennium Religious Dynamics in the Twentieth Century: Jean Finot Challenges Weber
Carter CHARLES (Brigham Young University, Provo, U.S.A.)

Separating Church and State in ltaly: Civil Marriage and the Mormon Connection
Michael W. HOMER (Attorney and Independent Scholar, Salt Lake City, U.S.A.)

The Jehovah’s Witnesses: A Paradigm for Internet Strategies?
Wolfgang BATTMANN (University of Berlin, Germany)

La Luz del Mundo in Poland. A Report
Karolina Maria HESS and Małgorzata Alicja DULSKA (Jagiellonian University, Krakow, Poland)

 

 

 

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It appears Massimo Introvigne has had a relationship with the organization for quite a while. 

 

Watching the World   g98 7/8 p. 28

Threat to Religious Liberty in Europe

At a recent press conference in Washington, D.C., U.S.A., Massimo Introvigne, a Roman Catholic scholar from Turin, Italy, said that antisect lists or reports are being compiled in several countries. Organizations targeted as “dangerous sects” include Baptists, Buddhists, Catholic charismatics, Hasidic Jews, Jehovah’s Witnesses, Quakers, and the Young Women’s Christian Association. A German report cites 800 groups; one in Belgium, 187; and one in France, 172. Introvigne writes that in France “teachers have been fired from public schools after years of honorable service only because they were members of the Jehovah’s Witnesses.” As reported by Compass Direct news service, Introvigne expressed concern about public sponsorship of anticult movements. He said: “It is abundantly clear that these movements are responsible for spreading misleading and often simply false information about religious minorities, and an intolerant worldview.”

 

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  Hello Jack

Where is the 21 page report about child abuse handling , Also you only say JW only, when it also talks about the Baptist,  Buddhist, Catholics, Hasidic  Jews ,  Quakers, and the Young Women’s Christian Association.

You need to  get your story right !! instead of just saying JW ! . And what cult do you belong too?

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Didn't you open the PDF file on the very first comment of Jack's ? 

It open clearly enough. And if it's lies then I would think it could be regarded as fraud or slander. 

You know how much the GB's lawyers would make of it if it was fake. 

 

 

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