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    Nathaniel Compton reacted to Witness in The Path to Paradise?   
    The path in the drawing below, which supposedly represents the path to “paradise”, appears to allow for “new light”, or “adjustments” (a more favored word lately), indicated by the sharp turns along the way. The eye of the individual may be looking straight ahead toward the end of the valley, but the path that lies before him will determinedly lead the person in other directions, diverting his focus away from the valley’s end.  (Job 23:11; Prov 14:12; 2 Cor 6:3; Phil 4:8) 
    How wearisome for the traveler to obediently remain on a path that defies all scriptural understanding of what following in the footsteps of Jesus means for us; a narrow, straight path which does not deviate from the Word of God, the teachings of Christ. (Ps 16:11;119:105; Mark 1:3; John 8:12; 10:27; Matt 7:13-14;  John 14:6) 
    When hiking a nature trail, we may stop at a switchback to catch our breath and enjoy a sip of water before going forward on the journey.  On more developed paths, a bench may be found, providing a time for reflection, nourishment, and rest.  One can also choose at that point to turn around if the path seems too dangerous or strenuous to continue.  Anyone walking the organization’s “path” could and should take advantage of these moments of “adjustments”, and reflect on the governing leaders’ doctrine, as indicated in my mind by those sharp turns in the illustration.  One seeking to please God, would reason on whether the adjustments are true or false; whether these leaders continue to base their teachings on the “empty philosophy” of men, or on the Word of God. (Prov 11:3; Matt 15:7-9; Acts 17:11; Col 2:8,22; 1 Thess 2:13; 2 Pet 1:19-21; 2 Tim 3:16) 
    Through earnest prayers to know truth, many of us have been granted eyes that see and ears that hear the truth in God’s Word. (Isa 42:16) We can perceive a lie spoken by the governing leaders when we hear it.  We realize that the organization’s ‘way to paradise’ boldly and deceptively challenges the teachings of Jesus Christ.  (Prov 4:10-15,25-27; 10:17; John 8:31; Matt 24:24,25; 2 Pet 2:1-3; Heb 3:7-11) 
    We have chosen to step off this confusing trail that leads one only further down the endless path of darkness and death; and we have accepted the light of refinement through the spirit of Christ, showing us the way to eternal life and authentic peace (Prov 3:6; 4:18-22; 22:5; Ps 1:1-2,6; John 8:12; Acts 26:18; 1 Cor 14:33; Eph 5:8-9; Rev 3:18) 
     
    Our lives are totally dependent upon God's spirit (Ps. 104:29; Rev 4:11). 
    Many who claim to be of God, have forgotten this.
    They do not realize, that without God's spirit, they are dead.
    To awaken from this lukewarm condition, is to see the truth.
    For some, this "awakening to truth" will vindicate the life they chose. 
    For others, it will expose their shameful nakedness.
    (Rev 20:12,13;6:8; Dan 12:2; John 5:26-29; Matt 25:46; Ezek 37:11-12)
    "Eye Salve" - Humility, Repentance
     
    2 Tim 2:15 – “Make every effort to present yourself approved to God, a worker having no need to be ashamed, guiding the word of truth along a straight path.” 
    One of the Wt. study magazines clarifies the Greek word orthotomeō as meaning, “to cut a path in a straight direction”.  It uses the example of a farmer plowing a straight furrow across a field. 
    The magazine states,  “A crooked row would certainly prove to be an embarrassment to a seasoned farmer. To be ‘a workman with nothing to be ashamed of,’ Timothy was reminded that no deviation from the true teachings of God’s Word would be allowed.”  (03/11/15, p. 10-11)
    It explains that Timothy’s “personal views” would have no part in shaping his teachings; and “worldly philosophy” would have no part in directing the minds of “honest hearted individuals” today.  (Ps 17:4; 119:35; Prov 2:10-15; Isa 2:43; 2 Tim 4:2-4; Col 2:4,8) 
    Are any of these good points put into practice by the organization?  The list “Beliefs Clarified” gives insight to only a selection of “adjustments” that have been made over the organization’s history.  Each one incorporates the empty deceit of men – ideas not sourced in the spirit of Christ.  If these teachings were blessed by Holy Spirit, if they held true to God’s Word, would there have been a list to begin with? (Ezek 13:9; Jer 23:16; Matt 7:15-20; 1 John 4:1) 
    Yet, millions of JWs seem pleased with it, viewing it as evidence of the blessing of “new light”.  (Isa 5:20; Jer 5:30-31;Isa 8:19-22; 50:10-11; Rev 22:14-15) 
    They willingly and obediently remain dedicated to the “way” that accommodates future doctrine of men, sure to be revealed at the next crook in the path.  (Deut 32:5; Isa 59:9-10; Isa 48:17-18;Jer 6:16; 2 Thess 2:12) 
    Do the teachers who falsely promise peace to one who obeys the “delusions of their own mind”, experience any embarrassment for their inability to lead JWs on a straight path of truth?  (Jer 6:10,13-15; 14:13-15; Micah 2:11; Ps 52:7; Isa 44:20; 47:10; 1 Thess 5:3) 
     “As shameful conduct is pleasure for a fool,
    so wisdom is for a person of understanding.”  Prov 10:23 
     “My son, if you accept my words
        and store up my commands within you,
    2 turning your ear to wisdom
        and applying your heart to understanding—
    3 indeed, if you call out for insight
        and cry aloud for understanding,
    4 and if you look for it as for silver
        and search for it as for hidden treasure,
    5 then you will understand the fear of the Lord
        and find the knowledge of God.
    6 For the Lord gives wisdom;
        from his mouth come knowledge and understanding.
    7 He holds success in store for the upright,
        he is a shield to those whose walk is blameless,
    8 for he guards the course of the just
        and protects the way of his faithful ones.
    9 Then you will understand what is right and just
        and fair—every good path.
    10 For wisdom will enter your heart,
        and knowledge will be pleasant to your soul.
    11 Discretion will protect you,
        and understanding will guard you.
    12 Wisdom will save you from the ways of wicked men,
        from men whose words are perverse,
    13 who have left the straight paths
        to walk in dark ways,
    14 who delight in doing wrong
        and rejoice in the perverseness of evil,
    15 whose paths are crooked
        and who are devious in their ways.”  Prov 2:1-15
     

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    Nathaniel Compton got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in ....and like Forest Gump said "... and that's all I am going to say about that."   
    For those wonderful and compassionate friends (active JW's) of JTR that was charged for felony child porn, his court date has been set for arraignment on December 3, 2020. For those of you that have never understood secular law, this is where JTR will plea “guilty” or “not guilty” to the 4 counts he has been charged with.
    If he pleads guilty, he will have a final hearing with the court's recommendation.
    If he pleads not guilty, court will set the agenda for pretrial.
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    Nathaniel Compton got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in ....and like Forest Gump said "... and that's all I am going to say about that."   
    I will correct a mistake, its 4 counts of child porn. Now, before 2013 each State had their own scale in age on what child porn was. Some states had it at 13 years and under, some had it at 9 years and under. After 2013 the Federal Government made it at 18 YEARS and under.
    So, let’s NOT presume to know what the age level on the charge is.
    I think the point here, where's the outrage when people rebuke, the Watchtower. Where’s the slander, the condemnation of him being part of the Org. Instead, there is a soft appeal. I am waiting to read someone accuses the watchtower and elders for the action of this individual.
    In the USA, the presumption is, innocent until proven guilty. In other countries like Australia, Canada, UK, the presumption should be the same. But times have changes since 2013. Now, the presumption for such crimes is, guilty until proven innocent.
    Since the accusation is, about possessing child porn and “distribution” of that material, then it should be noted that most of the time, it comes from internet traffic. Meaning, he was under surveillance after he was “flagged” to be doing things over the internet that were questionable.
    Therefore, the State has a strong case. Most likely to avoid prison time, James will plead out to “guilty” as charged.
    Once again, the only person James hurt was himself, no one else if anyone is alleging. Whoever he forward that material to, will most likely be getting a knock at their door soon.
    Sentencing guidelines for 4 counts of child porn in North Carolina is 4-6 years in prison, or 5 years’ probation. Penalty and fines. Court Cost. They can break it down to 4-6 years in prison, serve 2 years and get released for good behavior and be placed on probation for the rest of his sentence.
    Probation means, no active life. No smoking, no drinking, no drugs unless approved by the PO, no interaction with families that have children, no social interaction with children outside the family circle. Needs to stay away at least 100-300 feet (ca. 91 m) with kids when grocery shopping or other matters such a kingdom hall if he doesn't blame the Watchtower for his downfall and action as customary with some. Will need to live at least 1-2 miles (3.22 km) away from any school or child institution zone. Needs to report to his PO, whichever the court decides by, day, week, bimonthly, month, get drug tested, no internet access through any form of media, pay for probation. Sentence will include “community service” ranging from 250 hours and above. Behavioral Counseling. His name and address goes into a sex offender registry that will follow him regardless where he is allowed to move for the rest of his natural life.
    Failure to comply with any of these provisions can land him, being violated (revoked) and sent back to prison. The most common ones are DRINKING and internet access.
    As far as I can see, this is James first offense on this matter which will work in his favor.
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    Nathaniel Compton got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in ....and like Forest Gump said "... and that's all I am going to say about that."   
    It seems Allen Smith called it in the past and was deleted for speaking up, as many do here about such behavior. The condemnation is strong unless a beloved friend becomes, involved.
    https://bustedncmugshots.com/rook-james-thomas-mugshot-8-16-2020-424-pm-gaston-county-north-carolina/
    I will not disparage his person other than to say, regardless if he is convicted or not, he can still “repent” in order to save his soul while contemplating his past actions should it end that way of being judged and sentenced by a government he imagined of.
    Unfortunately, no one, be it a former member or a present one can defend an action coming from human imperfection. This is why God choose to put those words in scripture, because  those opposed to structured law be it from man’s law or God’s law, anyone can fall victim to Satan’s influence.
    My heart goes out to his family with such a human trail.
     
    § 14-190.17. Second degree sexual exploitation of a minor.
    (a) Offense. – A person commits the offense of second degree sexual exploitation of a minor if, knowing the character or content of the material, he: (1) Records, photographs, films, develops, or duplicates material that contains a visual representation of a minor engaged in sexual activity; or (2) Distributes, transports, exhibits, receives, sells, purchases, exchanges, or solicits material that contains a visual representation of a minor engaged in sexual activity. (b) Inference. – In a prosecution under this section, the trier of fact may infer that a participant in sexual activity whom material through its title, text, visual representations or otherwise represents or depicts as a minor is a minor. (c) Mistake of Age. – Mistake of age is not a defense to a prosecution under this section. (d) Punishment and Sentencing. – Violation of this section is a Class E felony. (1985, c. 703, s. 9; 1993, c. 539, s. 1197; 1994, Ex. Sess., c. 24, s. 14(c); 2008-117, s. 4; 2008-218, s. 3.)
    § 14-190.17A.  Third degree sexual exploitation of a minor.
    (a)        Offense. - A person commits the offense of third degree sexual exploitation of a minor if, knowing the character or content of the material, he possesses material that contains a visual representation of a minor engaging in sexual activity.
    (b)        Inference. - In a prosecution under this section, the trier of fact may infer that a participant in sexual activity whom material through its title, text, visual representations or otherwise represents or depicts as a minor is a minor.
    (c)        Mistake of Age. - Mistake of age is not a defense to a prosecution under this section.
    (d)       Punishment and Sentencing. - Violation of this section is a Class H felony.  (1989 (Reg. Sess., 1990), c. 1022, s. 1; 1993, c. 539, s. 1198; 1994, Ex. Sess., c. 24, s. 14(c); 2008-117, s. 5; 2008-218, s. 4.)
     
    Thus far, the State is charging him with 3 counts of sexual exploitation of pornographic material, not interaction with a physical child. The States argument is Child Porn.
    If he gets a good lawyer since this is a criminal offense, he can get 3 years probation. However, he will need to register as a sex offender for the rest of his life. This is the argument brought before the courts. How excessive is the punishment against the crime.
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    Nathaniel Compton got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Celebrated Watchtower Scholar, Rolf Furuli, Disfellowshipped   
    That's true. That's why he wrote the book to begin with, since he had already been removed as an overseer. Just like Raymond Franz, his thinking on matters of God belong to those that have fundamental flawed views about scripture. In other words, those in spiritual responsibility let it go to their heads instead of sticking to scripture. I've seen enough Elders and Ministerial Servants, they believe they understand scripture while not realizing how far they have gone from scripture. Usually, those are the ones with a greater voice, but then again, so does the devil.
    So, it wasn't a surprise. Now he can concentrate on apostate books like the rest of them. Maybe he will get some pointers from "Floyd" lol!
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    Nathaniel Compton reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in Celebrated Watchtower Scholar, Rolf Furuli, Disfellowshipped   
    Thank you for this information. If it is true then it does indeed prove his point.
    Of course the blind JWs will defend their god the GB. It is who they worship and they just cannot see beyond that. 
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    Nathaniel Compton reacted to Space Merchant in THE RAVENING WOLVES IN SHEEP'S CLOTHING. NEW BOOK about JWs   
    Yes, and the whole suicide thing, to over exaggerate that is insane, for that is something that lowkey angers me for a multitude of reasons. But what to expect when from those who are unaware of the situation of suicide.
    I have no issue with people speaking their peace, but they have to be accurate, not shift things to cater to their own thinking to push on to others.
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    Nathaniel Compton reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in THE RAVENING WOLVES IN SHEEP'S CLOTHING. NEW BOOK about JWs   
    @Srecko Sostar   This comment you have written about the 'Last days' and 'Holy spirit'  is a very good comment and well thought out....   Also this that you've written is so funny. 
    On other hand GB Stephen Lett claims how we today living in Last days ("the final part of last days", "the final part of final part of the last days")))))). - short video of his famous statement     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mrges_TxOzQ
    Then we have Billy the Kid aka CC saying :-
    "Therefore, how can any present witness take the opinion of a person that never understood scripture, give an honest assessment about the Watchtower GB. That's just laughable."
    Truth is, anybody with information about the GB can give an honest assessment about them. Each person gives their own honesty. The problem there is, JWs are too frightened to look at honest assessments of their GB. They just follow like sheep, but behind a wicked drunken shepherd. The GB are drunk on their own power and authority over the CCJW and the Watchtower Society. However it isn't laughable to people that truly love God and Christ because we can see the damage being done by the GB. The GB have ruined and continue to ruin the CCJW and the GB continue to bring God's 'name' to shame. False prophecy and misuse of scripture continue to spew out of the mouths of the GB. 
    And now it seems they've disfellowshipped one of their best workers too. 
     
     
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    Nathaniel Compton reacted to Srecko Sostar in THE RAVENING WOLVES IN SHEEP'S CLOTHING. NEW BOOK about JWs   
    I am not here to defend her or your opinions and statements. I don't know is she inspired or not. But i can comment your comment about her. For example Act chapter 2 is interesting for this subject.
     
    The Holy Spirit Comes at Pentecost
    2 When the day of Pentecost came, they were all together in one place. 2 Suddenly a sound like the blowing of a violent wind came from heaven and filled the whole house where they were sitting. 3 They saw what seemed to be tongues of fire that separated and came to rest on each of them. 4 All of them were filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues[a] as the Spirit enabled them.
    explanation about this is given in next verses:
    These people are not drunk, as you suppose. It’s only nine in the morning! 16 No, this is what was spoken by the prophet Joel:
    17 “‘In the last days, God says,
        I will pour out my Spirit on all people.
    Your sons and daughters will prophesy,
        your young men will see visions,
        your old men will dream dreams.
    18 Even on my servants, both men and women,
        I will pour out my Spirit in those days,
        and they will prophesy.
    Writer of Act book said two interesting information:
    1) Year 33 AD is LAST DAYS period
    2) "ALL PEOPLE" (young, old, men, woman) and "MY SERVANTS" will be inspired by HS
    Does people today living also in "LAST DAYS" ??  Do we have more than one "LAST DAYS" period/s? "Overlapping Last days"?? :)) "new light" 
    What is difference between? Who are  "ALL PEOPLE" and who are "MY SERVANTS"? Is this people in the same religion or are they various people around the globe?
    WTJWorg GB making strong claim how it is impossible to be inspired by HS today, because that was only unique for 1st century Congregation. On other hand GB Stephen Lett claims how we today living in Last days ("the final part of last days", "the final part of final part of the last days")))))). - short video of his famous statement     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mrges_TxOzQ
    It is obvious how all of them "evangelize"something . And they make testimony for Jesus. At the "end of the day" Jesus is, according to Bible, the one who is in capacity to say: 
     Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
     And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. -  Matt 7
    Well SM, are you really ready to take Jesus role and make judgement about her evangelizing, anointing and to conclude she is or she is not inspired ?? :))) 
     
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    Nathaniel Compton reacted to Space Merchant in Furuli's new book: Is any of it right? Useful? Like Franz?   
    And yet nothing here brands them as benefactors, hence my previous response on the difference between a benefactor who leads vs. a member among the Christ who leads.
    And quote:
    As of what is seen, you've added your own exegesis, granted, if someone were to read your citation in full, it is counted against you. You've done this before, but it seems you continue to go down that route.
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    Nathaniel Compton reacted to Space Merchant in Furuli's new book: Is any of it right? Useful? Like Franz?   
    I always keep tabs it just comes from memory. Even on myself in order to recall something, hence my memory is as thick as the skin of a rhino. Others have done the same, in my regard. Anyways, But you have to convey the statement correctly otherwise there will be confusion. You should know this because the both of us stated the same thing in the past, but now here it is different. So in regards to the latter, the claim of denying of which you provided is in err.
    I believe I lectured you in the past of what a Benefactor is. A Benefactor (Biblical term, not the modern English term, yet somewhat similar), well the word used in that verse comes from the word (Ancient Greek: Εὐεργέτης, Euergétēs), which means that an individual who is doing good to and or for others. The term is associated with honorable titles for important people, for instance, a Prince, for these people are recognized for their contributions and the like. These Benefactors are the types to take a lead among the people, however, it should not be confused those among the Christ, to mimic as if they are and or align themselves with world rulers. Faithful servants of the Lord are the opposite. They do not partake to be like rulers of the world, but rather, they focus on what it means to be a Christian, a follower of the Christ and lead by example and lesson, as the marginal references in the verses you provided provides context.
    In terms of ministering and serving, this citation from verse 26 gives the answer. Hebrews 13:7, 17, 24, which describes the work of those holding religious office within the Christian Church Congregation. We had this conversation parallel conversation on this before, to which you accused me of being misogynistic for agreeing with Scripture.
    That being said, to deem them as benefactors in this regard when they are not is a misapplication of the verse, therefore, your mixing of verses to fit your own exegesis, as I have and the other alleged chosen one this forum call you out on. This is especially the fact you are dealing with modern day Restorationist, for regardless if they are striving to be of the early church and or lacking, Restorationist will never be caught dead granted of what you claim. It is in-bedded in their Christology after all.
    Clearly, but this is not the case, and you make this claim when the latter is the opposite, hence why I pointed out it does not make any sense. This goes back to our early discussion about the Spiritual Stones of the Spiritual House, which what you said there contradicts present day regarding the matter. I do not see as to how and why you fancy misapplication.
    That being said, my question to you is what if you were in the had said something that had denied even what the Christ as taught, should we look at you as the same, that is, using your claim? Because anything can easily be linked should you say what is not true in regards to question.
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    Nathaniel Compton reacted to Space Merchant in Furuli's new book: Is any of it right? Useful? Like Franz?   
    @Witness That statement does not make anyone correlation to any sense. To deny Jesus is to deviate from what he teaches, to what his God said unto him, unto the people [you]. As pointed out before the notion of Excommunication has indeed started with the Christ, this was not engineered by any man, as the Bible shows.
    Also you are missing verses again, just wanted to point that out, for possible the 33rd time it seems.
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    Nathaniel Compton reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in Furuli's new book: Is any of it right? Useful? Like Franz?   
    @Arauna " Since we are Bible students and have a PERSONAL relationship with Jehovah and keep improving our  BIBLE  knowledge, "
    Yes and we can do this without being a JW. You said it is a personal relationship, and it is not an 'organisational' one. 
    Quote Arauna.  "I look at the bible and see some kind of central body in the first century. "
    Whereas I look at the Bible and see that Jesus personally guided the Apostle Paul to write the letters to the Congregations. Paul didn't even bother to visit the 'central body' for the first three years of his ministry. Paul definitely had a very personal relationship with God through Christ. It did not involve going through anyone else. 
    Quote Arauna "I do not need any person to tell me"
    Ah but you do have people telling you. You have your GB through the Writing Dept, and through your Elders. They tell you what they want you to believe. 
    Quote Arauna "I actually  feel sorry for the professor Feruli- to have served jehovah so long and faithfully and now in old age succumb to the plague of mankind....
    I actually feel sorry for anyone that cannot see the faults in the GB and the CCJW.  It's not about deliberately looking for faults, but it is about knowing what you are part of, and then using your Christian conscience to guide you as to whether it is right to remain part of it. 
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    Nathaniel Compton reacted to Arauna in Furuli's new book: Is any of it right? Useful? Like Franz?   
    Since we are Bible students and have a PERSONAL relationship with Jehovah and keep improving our  BIBLE  knowledge, I fail to see why we need to know the entire history and every detail of the watchtower history.
    I look at the bible and see some kind of central body in the first century. Then I look at the changed circumstances of our day, such as a world-wide responsibility,  together with new technology such as internet and video etc. I immediately understand we need a legal corporation etc to manage a unified approach to the nation of God.  I.e they delegate the videos to certain branch offices but have final oversight over content to ensure ONE message. 
    What I am interested in, is NOW!  The core truths that we are teaching now! And the willingness of people to contemplate the new changes. I do not need any person to tell me...... "BUT in a watchtower in 1967."...... bla bla bla.  Russel said : bla bla.
    Intelligence or education is not needed to understand the deep things of God......... jehovahs spirit is needed.  I do not admire scholars at all because it puffs up. And secular scholars are often bought and paid for.
    I have lived in Africa where I saw true humility and poverty..... so I know what the real thing looks like .  Some people  have an "acquired humility".
    I actually  feel sorry for the professor Feruli- to have served jehovah so long and faithfully and now in old age succumb to the plague of mankind........ the same quality which Satan displayed. We can all fall and become a victim.  I doubt he took any advice from a brother before publishing it. He wanted the world to notice him...... unfortunately. 
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    Nathaniel Compton reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in Furuli's new book: Is any of it right? Useful? Like Franz?   
    This full situation always reminds me of this:
    (Mark 9:38-40) 38 John said to him: “Teacher, we saw someone expelling demons by using your name, and we tried to prevent him, because he was not following us.” 39 But Jesus said: “Do not try to prevent him, for there is no one who will do a powerful work on the basis of my name who will quickly be able to say anything bad about me. 40 For whoever is not against us is for us.
    I think this shows that a person does not have to be a JW to serve God through Christ. 
    As for the GB being likened to the Sanhedrin, wasn't it them that had Jesus put to death? So yes i can see a similarity. 
    And as for the 1st Century 'group of men in Jerusalem' that made decisions, weren't they inspired by God's Holy Spirit ?  Whereas this GB admits to not being so. 
    And wasn't it the Apostle Paul that wrote to the congregations, not those men in Jerusalem ?
     And wasn't the Apostle Paul chosen and directed by Jesus Christ personally ? And wasn't Paul inspired of God's Holy Spirit. 
    And didn't those men of the 1st Century PROVE that they were inspired by their WORKS. 
    And Now :- The Watchtower dated (top right corner) March 2020.  Study articles May 4- 31 2020
    Page 6 paragraph 16. from part way down, reads. (I have paper copy supplied by an elder)
    " Jesus has appointed a small group of anointed men to take the lead in organising the work that he wants done today. Jesus referred to this group of men as 'the faithful and discreet slave' and they take seriously their responsibility to feed and protect you spiritually. "
    What hogwash ! Complete lies or deliberate deceit.
    Firstly the GB say they are not inspired, so how would they have been 'appointed' ?
     ALL anointed remnant are anointed of God's Holy spirit hence they know they are anointed. 
    All of those of the Anointed remnant were seen as being the F&DS at one time, so when did Jesus suddenly decide to change this ? 
    So how was / is this special appointing done ? 
    Secondly. Jesus did not refer to these men as the F&DS 
    Jesus asked a question ???? He did not make a  statement, and he certainly didn't say who they were.  
    But many JW's just want their ears tickled, and many JWs are brainwashed enough to just accept everything written in the Watchtower. 
     
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    Nathaniel Compton reacted to JW Insider in Furuli's new book: Is any of it right? Useful? Like Franz?   
    I think you have tried to group me with those who think R.Franz was all bad. I think that R.Franz was also "right" and "useful" in several ways, but I also think he was too weak or passive to stand up for what he was learning to be right. I had thought he might have come to realize some of these things after leaving, but he admits to not having the confidence to stand up to F.Franz, the conservative "guardian of doctrine" in those days. He should have seen the ongoing problems of the "two witness rule" and that scripture did not treat is as so all-encompassing. I don't mean to go off on a CSA tangent but some of that is on R.Franz, for promoting the two-witness rule. He knew things were wrong and didn't kick up much of a fuss. He admits to having learned that the WT was wrong on 607, and therefore wrong on 1914, and therefore wrong about the "parousia" and "generation" theory. I think he bears some responsibility for just allowing the status quo to go on and create the mess it did on that "generation" topic for several more decades. 
    But the point is that even the WTS saw some usefulness and things that were right in the book that R.Franz wrote. They changed some things that he had exposed. A person can be partly right and partly wrong, but it doesn't mean their concerns are not useful.
    With Furuli, I agree that it's not fair to try to group him with others. But the comparison is very interesting to me because I think I know Furuli's thinking pretty well from reading a lot of his books and even having some back-and-forth with him on academic sites many years ago. And I heard the equivalent of about 70 15-minute talks by Ray Franz at the Bethel morning text over a 3.5 year period. (Don't tell Kosonen, but that's 1,260 days.)
    To me, Furuli, like Franz, have some good points and some bad points. (I mean, who really needs to go back to the old 49,000 years of creative days?) But I'm not playing fair if I say that Furuli must have been very thoughtful and useful with his critique of "GB=FDS" just because I agree with him on that, but that he must still be stuck on the weak and beggarly things if he can't get over 607 BCE and the 49,000 years.
    So anything I can grasp at to understand his current mindset is of interest to me.
     
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    Nathaniel Compton reacted to JJJ-AUSTRALIA in "SPECIAL INVESTIGATION INTO JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES"   
    Asking the watchtower...😂😂😂J
    JWs should be thinking maybe this is how God is cleaning up the society and they are working against their own God... 😂😂😂
    Lol if God send Jesus again to clean the lost sheep the JWs will have him crucified again...😂😂😂
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    Nathaniel Compton reacted to Matthew9969 in "SPECIAL INVESTIGATION INTO JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES"   
    I really look forward to your unbiased news sources...with source's of course.
     
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    Nathaniel Compton reacted to Srecko Sostar in "SPECIAL INVESTIGATION INTO JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES"   
    Than, what you think about idea to ask directly WT Australasia or GB? Perhaps you as JW member have good chance to receive information about whole situation. :))
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    Nathaniel Compton reacted to Arauna in Furuli's new book: Is any of it right? Useful? Like Franz?   
    Agreed. One can view yourself as a scholar of the 'past' and study every non-perfect word uttered by GB or their imperfect choices, then inadvertantly play into the hands of those who hate JWs for very silly reasons....... all this in the search for the absolute truth of the past...... something which a human cannot do...... this is Jehovah's domain.
    These brothers at the time, seemed to reason without 'soundness of mind' ..... without seeing Jehovahs vision for the future - large expansion.
    One needs some form of structure to provide 'food' and distribute it to all the brethren in the world to keep all on the same page.....Jehovah knew this and he provided a slave which is easily recognizable today.
    I value these principles extremely highly - not to overstep my boundaries and dominate others in any way.  This problem of domination over others (even in slight ways) has plagued mankind in all spheres of life since Adam sinned. We are constantly reminded by GB to not do this BUT individuals do overstep the mark due to imperfection........ no matter how spiritual they are.  However,  this does not imply that we must be disorganised as a people and not have a central organization, especially if the central organization is committed to these godly principles.... 
    To have a coordinated world-wide nation ..... implies some order and organization of thought to create a unity of mind and action....... especially to fulfill the preaching 'and teaching' commission. Each one cannot teach their own interpretation.
    Thank you for the outlay of these scriptures....... 
    Maybe dementia?   .......  Did not take advice from other brothers, acted alone and egotistically?  Very sad...... for a book that does not seem so good........(I do not intend to read it.... but I listen intently to the comments about it here on the forum. )
    They were heavily influenced by Greek oratory tradition....... the Mishna was already part of oral tradition, although not yet written down..  Few of Sanhedrin were levites.  Were the Levites not appointed by jehovah under Law to do the teaching and judging? But they no longer followed the law - as brought out by Jesus.
    The Sanhedrin it seems were appointed for life.  Annas was already retired (if I remember correctly appointed by Roman official) but carried the title of lifelong appointee.  So he was brought back into the trial of Jesus to give more credence to the descisions. Caiaphas was high priest (married to daughter of Annas) and appointed by Herod. 
    Here is an excerpt found on JW.org:
    "The Sanhedrin had 71 members—the high priest and 70 of the nation’s principal men. In Roman times it was made up of priestly nobles (mainly Sadducees), lay aristocrats, and learned scribes of the party of the Pharisees. The priestly aristocracy, supported by distinguished laymen, dominated the court. Whereas the Sadducees were conservative, the Pharisees were liberal and were chiefly commoners who had great influence with the people. According to the historian Josephus, the Pharisees’ demands were reluctantly met by the Sadducees. Paul took advantage of their rivalry and the differences in belief between these groups when he defended himself before the Sanhedrin."
    The Sanhedrin became an established political body from the time of Antiochus IV.  Although the decapolis cities had many gymnasiums etc and the culture  became more and more  hellenistic (koine Greek the language) the Hasmodeans violently resisted Antiochus's  idea to replace their God with Zeus in the temple and revolt and resistance against pagan authorities started the extremist downward spiral  which eventually led to destruction of Jerusalem.
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    Nathaniel Compton reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in Should true Christians use the word "Disaster"?   
    Gordon this Gordon that. One man's opinions it seems. And a certain lady seems to put her trust in this one man.
    So be it. YHWH = Yahweh.   
    Have a good day. 
     
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    Nathaniel Compton reacted to Arauna in Should true Christians use the word "Disaster"?   
    A thank you to my friend above for clarifying the matter so excellently.
    Mr Gordon: worked on translating the Dead Sea scrolls and still works on translating ancient Hebrew language on artifacts - old and newly found. It is his passion.
    It is logical to me that Hebrew scholars did not bother on research (or only did superficial research ) on the name when their biblical tradition dictates that it is unacceptable to pronounce the name.  So when they recognize the tetragrammaton, they substitute it.
    Gordon says that German translators in the 18th century did not do a good job on ancient Hebrew translations due  to Yiddish influence.
    Mr Gorden did research on the Yiddish language and found that the German language influenced the pronunciation of the third letter  in the tetragrammaton as well. Since I speak some German and a semitic language, I understood the subtle change immediately.....  I could clearly see the mechanism.  So pronunciations of letters do definitely change over time...
     There are no vowels... this is ..... thumbsuck.  These old scholars used conjecture. In Hebrew and Arabic one reads without vowels.  That is why the language is difficult. They only write down the consonants. Vowels are only put in to assist the reader. 
    This is why it is amazing to me  that someone found old manuscripts with the point system actually supplied in them. No-one bothered to check it because they automatically just recognized the tetragrammaton (read only the consonants as they are used to) and did not notice them there.    
    I am not here to win an argument or even to get you to accept the name yehovah - the choice is yours. 
    By the way, the translation of the Lords prayer  - let your name be "sanctified' is the best possible translation - according to Gordon. 
     
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    Nathaniel Compton reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in Should true Christians use the word "Disaster"?   
    Oh dear the debate continues. 
    So does it seems that people are now agreeing on the Y instead of the J 
    And what about the W instead of V. 
    And does it seem that the last H is not sounded. 
    So that would bring us to YHWH = Spoken as Yahwee (h) 
    Reminds me a bit of PARIS which is actually pronounced Pahree or Paghee
    A French native would pronounce “Pahree” or rather “Paghee” -the French r (Paris) is a raspy note, pronounced at the back of the throat; it is the sound that we make while gargling.7 Nov 201
    BUT it is still written PARIS. 
    So with Almighty God's true name i'll stick with YHWH = YAHWEH = pronounced as Yahwee 
    After all, I answer to God through Christ, not to men. 
    The only other choice I would have is to trust humans to make me decisions for me. 
    Hope you all have a pleasant Sunday. 
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    Nathaniel Compton reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in Should true Christians use the word "Disaster"?   
    Quote @JW Insider  " I get the feeling you are only interested in the opinions that make it seem like the WTS is wrong, "
    BUT, the CCJW / W/t Soc' have said that Yahweh is most probably right, but that they want to stick with the name Jehovah. 
    Posted Friday at 03:32 PM Quote from your comment.  " I don't know that Yahweh is correct. I only agree with the Watchtower publications that say Yahweh is more likely than Yehowah based on Hebrew pronunciation patterns for that particular sequence of consonants. "
    So how am i "only interested in the opinions that make it seem like the WTS is wrong, "
    If the W/t are saying that Yahweh is more likely correct, then I'm agreeing with them.
    As for Yeshua, yes it would be showing more respect to 'Jesus'. But imo, not so important as God's real name.
    The main point being that the CCJW / W/t,  'pretend' that they have been 'given' God's name by God Himself. This idea that God has taken out a people for His name, becomes ridiculous if the name they use is wrong, it just shows they were not and are not inspired of God. And when the GB / CCJW /W/t admit that Yahweh is more likely correct, but stick to what it then seems even they believe to be incorrect, it makes no sense. 
    A people for HIS name but using the wrong name. 
    If the Org / W/t  hadn't put in writing that they believe Yahweh is more correct. then no one would have known. But to admit to actually knowing that Yahweh is more correct, but still saying they have God's name is hypocrisy.. 
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    Nathaniel Compton reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in Should true Christians use the word "Disaster"?   
    You females are still deliberately bypassing the point. 
    YOUR own Org, said YAHWEH was more likely to be correct. But they don't want to use what is more likely to be correct. So I agree with your Org that Yahweh is more likely to be correct. 
    You see, the difference between your outlook and mine is this, You conform to your GB and it's Org and therefore you are given CCJW answers even before you ask questions.
    It's a bit like scientists being paid to do research, but the one paying tells the scientists what result they MUST find. So it is in the CCJW, you are allowed to do research, but you MUST come up with the answers that the GB tell you to. 
    Whereas I am now in the position of having an open mind and being able to consider all possibilities. I am not restricted to obeying men, not threatened with being shunned or d/fed.  
    JW Insider seems to sit on the fence between those two choices, but you ladies seem to just follow the CCJW where ever it leads you. Srecko is a great 'breath of fresh air and life' here, because he has his totally independent viewpoint. 
    One thing that is becoming abundantly clearer to me is the fact that the CCJW / W/t Soc' is American. So it seems that JWs, American or not, are very influenced by this American attitude of having to be right. Even if in the 'small print' they admit to being wrong, they still have to push this idea of being right. 
    That point has been made so clear by the GB, with the Child Sexual Abuse problems. And it spreads from that into other things. The attitude of JWs on here, being so self righteous and insulting. 
    Each of us should use the name for God that we honestly feel is right. If any of you are only using the name you are told to use, then IMO, it shows a lack of personal relationship with God. 
    Please remember, i have no hate for any of you, I may feel disappointment but i will have to deal with that, I wish you all well. 
     
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