Emma Rose

7 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Agree!

Simpatico 🙂

9 hours ago, Witness said:

God out of graciousness allowed Solomon to build Him a temple.  And what did all of those riches lead to, but Solomon's downfall.  Yet, God's prophetic words to David were not about Solomon, but about Jesus Christ building God's spiritual Temple.  

But that night the word of the Lord came to Nathan, saying:

5 “Go and tell my servant David, ‘This is what the Lord says: Are you the one to build me a house to dwell in? 6 I have not dwelt in a house from the day I brought the Israelites up out of Egypt to this day. I have been moving from place to place with a tent as my dwelling. 7 Wherever I have moved with all the Israelites, did I ever say to any of their rulers whom I commanded to shepherd my people Israel, “Why have you not built me a house of cedar?”’

“‘The Lord declares to you that the Lord himself will establish a house for you: 12 When your days are over and you rest with your ancestors, I will raise up your offspring to succeed you, your own flesh and blood, and I will establish his kingdom. 13 He is the one who will build a house for my Name, and I will establish the throne of his kingdom forever.  2 Sam 7:5-7,11b-13

Do you really think that God meant that the organization would be the house He is speaking of? Something greater than Solomon is here, and it is not your GB.  Luke 11:31

 It doesn't matter if you think the anointed women were "active" in your preaching work.  What matters is if they ever listened to their Head, Jesus Christ over the Head of your organization.  (Rev 2:2-5; 3:18)

Jehovah said He would make Solomon rich, ergo, money isn't evil.  Solomon's disobedience led to his downfall, multiplying wives and concubines from the nations, it was those that inclined Solomon's heart to follow their gods, not money.

It is later revealed what was going on, who was bringing his troubles and why.  Nevertheless, he is a remarkable example of keeping his integrity whilst unaware of the facts.

Job wasn't aware why he was suffering.  

James 1:13

1 hour ago, Witness said:

God’s dwelling since Moses, was the tabernacle – a mobile tent. (Exod 25:8,9)  He then acquiesced to allowing a temple to be built for Him. (1 Kings 6:1)  Christ comes to earth, and announced that the physical temple is no longer to be God’s dwelling, but that it will be his spiritual Body, built with “living stones”. (Isa 60:14,13; John 2:19-21; 1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17; Eph 2:20-22)  

This is how it has been since the first century, and it still is in those faithful to Christ as their Head. The spiritual temple/dwelling of God - New Jerusalem/Holy City, has replaced the physical temple. (Heb 12:22,23; Rev 14:1)

 Where does your physical organization fit in?  God never had an “organization” on earth, but a nation of people, with many foreigners joining in with them.  They worshiped God, firstly through His tabernacle, and then through the temple.  It was the only avenue to worship God, where His appointed priesthood served God as ministers and judges for the people. (Deut 17:9; Lev 10:10,11;Ezek 44:24) With Christ, God established the foundation of His new House/Temple (also mobile) in the apostles and prophets, and it has grown throughout years with added, sealed, “living stones”.  (Eph 2:20-22)

But right when the anointed remnant shows up, a change is made – at the time when the Great Tribulation/Armageddon, is destined to occur.  No longer is the spiritual Temple of God the focal point, but it is an EARTHLY, PHYSICAL organization that dares to call itself, God’s House.  I don’t remember anything in the scriptures about Jesus saying God’s Temple would be set aside for an organization, built with riches that Satan has been given authority over.   But I do know, that a “man of lawlessness” rules over God’s Temple in the last days, and exalts itself far above the “living stones”. (Dan 8:25;11:36; Mark 13:14; 2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1-3) 

This “man of lawlessness”, your elder body, has been given authority  by your leaders, to judge and mark them - God’s priesthood -  as spiritually “dead”. When does this happen? It happens when they reject the organization, and turn back to God’s Temple, and their Head, Jesus Christ.   (John 16:2; Heb 13:13; Rev 13:15; 11:1-3,7)

God’s people “Israel” are the “chosen”/special possession, anointed to fulfill their role as priests. (Isa 43:10; 1 Pet 2:5,9) Yet, many JWs say just as you have, “Of course I'm aware of who the anointed are, I personally knew 2 of them, lovely sisters, so humble and it makes me smile to think of them in their heavenly role"...without realizing that your organization has trampled down God’s priesthood. Their "role" is to be active while they are on earth, just as the apostles, and those who followed them throughout the centuries.  They were sent by Christ to preach Truth.  Instead, in your organization, they are told to keep silent, and not to gather as a priesthood, because your organization has chosen its own priesthood to fill its own role.   (John 13:20; Matt 28:16-20)  This priesthood baptizes people into the organization.  It doesn't follow Christ's words given to his disciples, in any manner.  It baptizes people into darkness, not into the light of Christ.  When I see elders baptizing at conventions wearing black shirts, I think how fitting a symbol, for the lawlessness they represent. 

Since 1 Cor 3:16 states that the anointed are the dwelling of God in Spirit, we have a problem with this comparatively young organization calling itself, God’s House.    Which do you choose to accept as God’s House?  An organization that suffers in the court systems, refusing to follow court orders (since money is involved); suffers in various governments in the world, and that has a history of failed, false teachings?   Or, do you accept what the scriptures show us that God’s “organized” Temple built on Jesus Christ, is His anointed priesthood and the only dwelling that God has chosen?

You said...

I read all of our beautiful Watchtowers and Awakes and savour every word, here is purity in it's finest form.

In light of past false teachings, how can you say their spiritual food is “pure”?  I seriously hope you do your homework.

Tabernacle – Solomon’s Temple – 2nd Temple – God’s spiritual Temple in Christ – followed by a corrupt organization at the last minute?  Blasphemy and deceit. (Rev 13:1,4,5-8) 

If anyone perceives the “man of lawlessness”/disgusting thing – the elder body – “sitting” in the Temple of God, they are to flee from  the organization.  Mat 24:15-22

 

https://pearl-disgustingthing.blogspot.com/

 

 

 

A nation of people plus proselytes organised to worship Jehovah, 'is' an organisation.  

"...built with riches that Satan has been given authority over."  The same riches King Solomon is so well known for? 1 Kings 10:14  Jehovah told Solomon He would make him rich.  It is the 'love' of money, not money itself, that is the root of all evil, money is for a protection.  

Those two lovely anointed sisters were extremely active whilst alive, they were an excellent example.

Many of Jehovah's people have been hailed before courts throughout history, it is nothing new.

I have to marvel at what a genius Jehovah is, His word is like a two-edged sword, able to discern thoughts and intentions of the heart.  Jehovah is constantly refining His people.

What is your story?

1 hour ago, TrueTomHarley said:

I am not sure that the principles you cite are the truly relevant ones here.

On the other hand, it certainly is true that they are not behaving perfectly. And it is certainly true that I am not exactly saying “Let Jehovah rebuke you” to them.

Are you really saying that you think these characters are yet part of the congregation?

You are free to come to that conclusion.

Who behaves perfectly...not a one because we are not yet in a state of perfection.

All have time to repent and be forgiven, at the moment.

8 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

Rats! Caught in the act once more!

Very well. My bluster got the better of me. To clarify, only Srecko is going after God’s people with a machete. 4Jah is using a knife. And Witness, appropriately enough, is using a battle axe 

They're very hurt and angry.  I feel sad that my brothers and sisters have lost their way and hope they come back. No matter what other humans do or say, that is not Jehovah, and we are taught to "keep putting up with one another" which is an indication that things are not going to be perfect. The counsel to the congregations given in Revelation also is evidence that things were not what they should be yet Jehovah didn't abandon them, he counselled them.  Expectation postponed is making the heart sick in this instance too it seems.  Let it go and return to your God for he forgives in a large way.  Stop expecting perfection when Jehovah Himself doesn't expect it.

2 minutes ago, 4Jah2me said:

i have no objections to God or Christ. No one should have. But i do object to 8 men who pretend they are the F&DS and deliberately mislead millions of people and stumble many more. 

I am surprised you are not American. You don't seemed bothered by the large amount of Victims of Child Sexual Abuse within the CCJW. And you don't seem bothered that the GB refuse to pay compensation to those Victims. You also don't seem bothered about the GB's lawyers telling lies in court rooms, which has been proven. But then if you don't look into these things you will never believe them. Hence I say you deliberately blind yourself. 

Jesus taught the complete opposite of the things the GB do. 

That's not been my experience so I don't recognise what you're saying as factual.

There are many, many JW's that have been sexually abused by non-JW's.  Do not confuse an acceptance of human imperfection with not being bothered about anything, that's you, not me and as such is a projection of your take on things and again, not factual.

Jesus taught that we should remove the rafter from our own eyes before trying to remove the splinter from others.

3 minutes ago, 4Jah2me said:

Look I'm sure you well know that the name Jehovah was in use a very long time before the Bible Students decided to use the name. And they actually thought that Yahweh was correct, and stated so in one of their books, but chose Jehovah as it was well known at the time. 

However, just by calling an org by that name does not make it clean and acceptable to God or Christ.

Jehovah will decide that.

Just now, Anna said:

I am glad you are a realist 👍

I sent you an invite, but here is the link as well:

 

 

Thank you 👍  What a beautiful picture. 

5 minutes ago, 4Jah2me said:

@Emma Rose  you are kidding me . I'm sorry you are so deliberately blind. It's not for me to know how much God and Christ will forgive, but deliberate blindness and deliberate sin would seem to be pushing it a bit, putting God to the test.

I'm laughing so much at your reply to me that i can see it's pointless talking to you.

I am wondering if you are American because you seem to believe in 'Collateral Damage' being ok just like most Americans do. Unfortunately it would seem that Americans are raised on that idea and the CCJW uses it to the full.

 

 

That's right, no human can determine Jehovah's forgiveness or indeed demand their own standards from Him.  You answer your own objections, interesting.

No, I'm not American.  

12 minutes ago, 4Jah2me said:

Quote @Emma Rose I won't stand/sit by while they make baseless accusations against Jehovah or His people 

I don't think anyone here makes accusations against God or Christ. 

As for 'His people' I don't think I've found them yet. All I've found is people that serve a 'religion', an organisation, or men. 

  

Jehovah is God, His people are called Jehovah's Witnesses.

16 minutes ago, Anna said:

Yes, @Emma Rose, Tom knows what he's talking about. When he came here a few years ago he was full of positive vibes (not that he isn't any more) but soon realized his patience would be severely tested.

So welcome to the "club". If I may suggest, consider also joining the closed JW forum 🙂

See I wouldn't describe myself as "full of positive vibes", what I am is realistic.  Closed JW forum?, do you have a link please?

7 minutes ago, 4Jah2me said:

I wouldn't listen to @TrueTomHarley. He is just a writer looking for a new story. He baits people to get more to write about. He is quite funny but not at all Spiritual. 

One of Tom's biggest problems is that he lumps everyone together because he is frightened of individuals. I quote him

They are doing considerably more than chafing. They are going after Jehovah’s organization with a machete. They are not to be talked out of it. I have not seen one of them budge one iota In all the time I’ve been around

Please note @Emma Rose that Tom keeps using the word 'they'.  Whereas the truth is WE are all individuals. So we do things differently and for different reasons. And I think many of us LEFT the Org of our own free will. I say that because JWs like to pretend we were all disfellowshipped. 

I am personally still a Christian and still searching for the truth from God's viewpoint not man's. God's viewpoint is in the Bible and does not need dozens of books and magazines which only give man's viewpoint as they are not inspired by God's Holy Spirit. I am not looking to wipe out the CCJW completely, if that is the Org God through Christ intends to use, but that Org will need cleansing and the GB will need replacing by True Anointed Ones.  It might be easier or better for God through Christ to set up a completely new Org. 

Tom I hope you are well, you seem on form. 

I understand what Tom means when he writes, "they".  

That's the wonderful thing about Jehovah granting us free will, we can exercise it and if people choose to leave, that is their decision.  Jehovah said He would feed His sheep using His organisation, that is what He is doing and through a feeding programme using literature, I have no problem understanding that at all.

You won't be able to wipe out Jehovah's organisation, many have tried and failed and if you know anything about the end times, you will know that a coalition of nations will eventually turn on us and that that will be the trigger for Armageddon when the nations will know that Jehovah is who He is.  Until then He works with imperfect people to carry out His will.

12 minutes ago, Anna said:

"Witness" is a she by the way.

Not only that, but all good things come from Jehovah, so if the weather is destructive, Jehovah merely allows it, he doesn't cause it, @Srecko Sostar Jehovah only causes good things to happen.

She's not aware of that, not sure who is what on the net.

12 minutes ago, 4Jah2me said:

That is blinding yourself by making excuses for your conscience. God and Christ could not use such an immoral Org. Immoral and dishonest. Lacking mercy and love. Making up 'traditions of men' to rule over the congregation.

What God has in truth is the Remnant of the True Anointed Ones on earth.

But your GB act as the Evil slave from the Matthew scripture, and that Evil slave 'beats up' their fellow slaves (the True Anointed ones). Your GB have put it in writing in the Watchtower magazine that those Anointed Ones should not meet together for prayer or Bible study, and if they do meet together your GB say they are 'working against the Holy spirit'.  I do hope you read all your Watchtower magazines and that you have read these things. If your conscience thinks these things are good then you have a problem. 

Do you even look at the Biblical scripture for baptism ? To baptise in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. Then have you considered the JW baptism ? It baptises people into the Organisation. 

You GB have created a stumbling block to all people. The CCJW is known as a Pedophile organisation 
Earthwide. So the GB have worked for the devil in bringing shame on God and Christ. 

Not at all.  Kind David had an illicit affair with a married woman and then sent her husband to the front line in order for him to be killed, he also numbered the people when he shouldn't have.  Jehovah did not depart from using King David to carry out His will.  Jehovah is also aware of the effects of sin and if His people are repentant, He forgives them, He is not unreasonable so as to expect perfection from imperfect people.  I have not found Jehovah's organisation to be lacking in mercy and love.

I don't agree with you about our GB because that hasn't been my experience    I read all of our beautiful Watchtowers and Awakes and savour every word, here is purity in it's finest form.

Over 300,000 baptised...no stumbling block there.  If the 'whole world' is lying in the power of the wicked one, I would not be expecting them to be complementing our organisation.

10 minutes ago, TrueTomHarley said:

Ah—a breath of fresh air, who handles herself well and is doubtless a loyal Christian. But I hope the breath reflects no naïveté. 

They are doing considerably more than chafing. They are going after Jehovah’s organization with a machete. They are not to be talked out of it. I have not seen one of them budge one iota In all the time I’ve been around. Just so that you should know that.

I can think of a way of cutting down on the minions. Not that you should, of course. That’s for you to decide, and I like your expressions. But know what you’re getting into.

They won't be talked out of it but I won't stand/sit by while they make baseless accusations against Jehovah or His people   I do know what I'm dealing with here, don't worry, the truth will always win out and any rightly disposed towards everlasting life may see and take note.

11 minutes ago, TrueTomHarley said:

Ah—a breath of fresh air, who handles herself well and is doubtless a loyal Christian. But I hope the breath reflects no naïveté. 

They are doing considerably more than chafing. They are going after Jehovah’s organization with a machete. They are not to be talked out of it. I have not seen one of them budge one iota In all the time I’ve been around. Just so that you should know that.

I can think of a way of cutting down on the minions. Not that you should, of course. That’s for you to decide, and I like your expressions. But know what you’re getting into.

11 minutes ago, Witness said:

Emma, your answer is showing that you have been deceived.  Did you "see" all that I wrote?  Did you perceive its meaning?  I'm gathering you are a JW.  Do you know who the anointed are?  Do you realize they are conquered by deceit in the last days?  

 

Ah well you would say that wouldn't you   Of course I'm aware of who the anointed are, I personally knew 2 of them, lovely sisters, so humble and it makes me smile to think of them in their heavenly role.

Night night  

Just now, 4Jah2me said:

@Emma Rose You cannot serve two masters. You either serve God through Christ, or, you serve the GB through the CCJW. 

Blinding yourself from all the false doctrines of the GB, and blinding yourself to the Child Sexual Abuse in the CCJW will not help you serve God. Do you really think God and Christ can be involved in the CCJW when it is so immoral ? Let your Christian conscience guide you with prayer. 

Those are not two masters, Jehovah has a representative organisation on the earth, that makes it one master using His organisation to feed His sheep.

I don't blind myself at all, I realise that all humans are prone to the effects of sin and all will answer in that day.  I don't expect perfection in an imperfect world. 

2 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

There is a substantial difference between Jehovah 'withdrawing' his protection and Satan then testing Job ...

In this explanation i see another need to ask this: Did JHVH "withdraw" his protection on Eve and then on Adam to make it possible for devil to "seduce and test" them with The Fruit?

you, chafing against it is not going to make it go away  

No matter of what you or me will/would say about it, will not make thing go away  

 I am tested constantly by the arch-enemy and his minions

Bible also say how:  "No temptation has overtaken you except what is common to mankind." Well, i am really not sure what "testing arch-enemy and his minions" putting on you. 

he provides both rain and sun for all

Whether it includes too much heat sometimes and too much rain sometimes? God is God, and we are down on Earth.

Adam and Eve were in a state of perfection, they had freewill and exercised it badly, completely different from Job's situation.

Suffice it to say that I go through many of the same tests as my brother's and sisters, that is not in dispute, but, I am completely aware that those tests are brought about by the devil and nothing to do with Jehovah.  I have absolutely no problem whatsoever proving the devil a liar when he claims humans would only serve God for selfish reasons.

The weather is what it is.

2 hours ago, Witness said:

He provides the rain and the sun, the natural gifts of the earth. He provides sustenance and clothing to those who are obedient to His will through Jesus Christ.  Luke 12:22-28

 We do know that Satan made it clear what he has control over:

"Then the devil, taking Him up on a high mountain, showed Him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time. 6 And the devil said to Him, “All this authority I will give You, and their glory; for this has been delivered to me, and I give it to whomever I wish. 7 Therefore, if You will worship before me, all will be Yours.”  Luke 4:5-7

Of course they will.   It is those who are deceived by false christs, false messiahs, false prophets that lead one to believe they are serving God completely, but they are not.  Which is exactly what happens to the anointed "saints" in the last days.   (Matt 24:4,5,23,24; 7:15; Acts 20:29-30; Rev 13:11, 14-17)  These saints are actually conquered by deceit. (Col 2:8; Rev 13:7,10)  The false prophets work in unison with an organization, to blaspheme and overcome the Temple dwelling of God.  (Matt 24:48-51; 1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17; Rev 13:5-7)

 

Actually, Jehovah has provided all things, the devil and his minions then interfere to the best of their ability to distort it all.  Gandhi said, "there is enough for everyone's need, but not everyone's greed", and he was right.

Those serving Jehovah 'completely' are able to compare what is written with what is said.  Quite frankly, I would expect all of this to happen as it would serve to refine His people.  I have found that those more concerned with how they perform to other humans, are often those that fall by the way whereas those that are concerned with serving Jehovah remain steadfast.

All have freewill.

Just now, Anna said:

The majority won't send letters, only a select few in each congregation, probably pioneers and Elders.

He's not aware of that.

To Srecko Sostar

There is a substantial difference between Jehovah 'withdrawing' his protection and Satan then testing Job with all sorts of problems and your slant on matters.  This is the issue before all mankind, including you, chafing against it is not going to make it go away    I am tested constantly by the arch-enemy and his minions, that is fine by me as it provides an opportunity for me to prove that I don't serve Jehovah for what I can get and I can make Him rejoice.  Job actually didn't know who was behind what was happening and he still kept his integrity, what a wonderful brother, looking forward to meeting him in the new system, along with his now '20' children and wife.  

None of what you say detracts from everything belonging to Jehovah, he provides both rain and sun for all.