Kick_Faceinator

I am amazed at the many fingers of delusion in the organization.  The belief system remains intact in the majority of JW minds, no matter what “delusion” is presented, temporarily established, and then later rejected.  The main delusion, the inner core of the organization’s existence as reality and approved by God, is…as 2 Thess 2:11 says, “powerful”.
“Delusion” - Delusions are characterized by an unshakable belief in things that are not true, and often, there is a continued belief in the delusion despite contrary evidence. Not all delusions are the same.
A few types:
Erotomanic
In this type of delusion, individuals believe that a person—usually with a higher social standing—is in love with them. 
“The GB loves you very much!”
Grandiose
In grandiose delusions, individuals believe they have extraordinary talent, fame, wealth, or power despite the lack of evidence. An instance of this type of delusion would be someone who believes God gave them the power to save the universe  organization, and every day they complete certain tasks that will help the planet  organization continue on.
Persecutory
Individuals with persecutory delusions believe they are being spied on, drugged, followed, slandered, cheated on, or somehow mistreated. 
“Despicable apostates" – “their finally gonna be gone, all these despicable enemies that have just reproached Jehovah’s name, destroyed; never ever to live again”.
“It’s important for anyone experiencing delusions to seek professional help. This can be especially challenging, however, since people experiencing delusions often don't think of their beliefs as a problem because, by definition, the person experiencing delusions believes their experience to be fact.  Consequently, it is often concerned loved ones who must bring the issue to the attention of a healthcare professional.” https://www.verywellmind.com/definition-of-delusion-4580458#:~:text=Delusions are characterized by an,theoretically occur in real life.
 
Jer 14:14 - Then the Lord said to me, “The prophets are prophesying lies in my name. I have not sent them or appointed them or spoken to them. They are prophesying to you false visions, divinations, idolatries and the delusions of their own minds.”
“delusions”:  H457 - “a thing of nought” - good for nothing, by analogy vain or vanity; specifically an idol:—idol, no value, thing of nought.
The organization as an idol – “good for nothing”.  If it was good for something, the fingers of over 100 years of delusionary teachings, wouldn’t exist. 
I know, but what about the preaching work, spreading the "good news of the kingdom"?  It is never good news to lead people into an organization where it is historically proven, that delusions have existed and will continue to exist.  Truth can never be established on delusions!   
2 Thess 2:9-12 - "The coming of the lawless one…(that tramples down the anointed Temple of God – 2 Thess 2:3,4) will be in accordance with how Satan works. He will use all sorts of displays of power through signs and wonders that serve the lie, 10 and all the ways that wickedness deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth - the reality - and so be saved. 11 For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie 12 and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth – the reality -  but have delighted in wickedness."
“delusion” – G4108 - objectively, fraudulence; subjectively, a straying from orthodoxy or piety:—deceit, to deceive, delusion, error.
Deception, delusion, error.  Which one does the GB admit to?  They admit to the one that people who refuse to look at reality, excuse them for.  
 
 
 

What is your first language ? Probably not English unless you were drunk when you wrote the above. None of it makes any sense.
A. I don't have 20 years of any letters. B. I am not keeping a fornicator in the Org. 
C. This FORUM is about Jehovah's Witnesses, Hence I speak about THEM. Why would i want to talk about the Catholic Church, or any other, on a JW forum ? 
D. Everyone lives in the world, and you could therefore say that everyone lives in a 'paedophile world' as it is part of the world we all live in. 
Jesus said  (recorded at John 17 v 15 )  ( New American Standard Bible ) 
"I do not ask You to take them out of the world, but to keep them from the evil one.
So you see, we are all in this world. But your GB are still withholding evidence about Paedophiles in the CCJW. So, your GB are guilty of great sins against God, Christ and humans. 

@César Chávez My morals are not perfect, but then, I'm not trying to run an organisation and I'm not trying to mislead millions of people either. I also don't expect to be in that New World.  I am a hater in one way though. As the Apostle Paul said at Romans 12 v 9 "Love must be sincere. Hate what is evil; cling to what is good".  So my hate is directed by scripture which is inspired of God's holy spirit. 
 

Wow Admin, will i win a prize for having the most topics on the forum 

@TrueTomHarley You must watch a lot of television or films or something as you seem to reference so many things I've never heard of. Both you and Arauna make references to things that have no meaning to me. (Perhaps I lead a sheltered life). 
Now as for your words of wisdom, "Why don’t you divert a little more energy towards the goal of being in that New World, you yo-yo?"  This is sensible......... But then your words "Perhaps then your credentials for condemning everything under the sun will improve.", are too general. You know that I don't condemn 'everything'.  Paul's words, as I mentioned "Hate what is evil", prove the point. 
It is because I hate what is evil, that i cannot be part of the CCJW right now.... I am not saying that 'everything' about the Org is evil, but that certain things are.... And @JW Insider certainly seems to find 'discrepancies' in the 'teachings' of the Org. 1914 seems to be suspect for instance. So it's not only what you and others call my 'favorite subject' that holds me back, but also some of the teachings and 'rules'.  I admit to being at a complete loss right now. You laugh at my idea of a True Anointed but it's the only way forward as far as I can see. You also laugh at my idea of a much bigger 'Body of servants' taking the lead in the Org, but my point has been proven that so much can now be done via internet that a much bigger 'GB' type of leadership is easily possible with Anointed leaders from all around the Earth. 
But i will come back to the Org's teaching of "Only baptised JWs will be saved", and I'm not liable to be a JW for many years if things continue as they are in the Org. So, I will take the risk of doing what i think is right and stay away from the CCJW, and I will face the consequences. If i die for doing wrong then i can say i did wrong for the right reasons  

@César Chávez Show me where I'm advocating my own online community. or where I'm advocating anyone else's online community.  Come on give me a link then where " I " am doing those things. 
It's bad enough that your GB are doing those things ( distortion, exaggeration, and lies.) , I'm certainly not going to follow them into that pit. 

Hypothetical question: Do God’s people sin (make errors) more when they are disorganized or when they are organized?
The second hypothetical question: If all these various customs and dogmas and interpretations and religious traditions that had (was part of) various “assemblies of God” through the past, became questionable and rejected in WTJWorg today, what is the problem?
God, according to the idea presented by you and WTJWorg, has always had an "organization," but every real or imagined "organization" has never had a complete and accurate "truth." No “organization” has had “truth” in the past, and it does not exist today according to what is seen in any religion, including WTJWorg.
What can be concluded is that religious “truth” exists only for a while and that is while it is supported by religious leaders and believers. After a while these same or some other people change their “understanding of the truth” and (people) are always in a state of religious “error”.
It is fortunate for JW people that God repeatedly accepts every delusion that occurs in "his organization."
How long, how much longer, will it go like this?

I heard about that particular exchange. Or at least that such shenanigans had been reported on by Joe Rogan. (I don't really know much about the two being interviewed.) My older son is a lawyer who came by to help my wife and I do some gardening/planting today, and by coincidence he was quoting Joe Rogan today. I knew generally about some of the bogus academic papers, but had never listened closely enough to know exactly what these were about. It's a shame what kind of hypocrisy and shallow thinking can make up swaths of academia.
I couldn't care much less about modern gender issues, but the shallowness and hypocrisy of publishing what people want to hear has infected many other ideologies -- and has manipulated attitudes toward ideologies and their supposed "opposites." And of course, this can be taken advantage of by those who know what's going on, sometimes to promote something true, but usually with only enough truth to help leverage a more sinister agenda. Discovering "truth" becomes a bit more complex when we realize that even the studies and statistics it's supposedly based on can easily be misused -- or just made up out of thin air.  Starting with the conclusion and working backwards (or "creating" evidence) to make it believable has become such a common practice in support of ideology. 

Not sure where you got that idea.  A physical building is not made with “living stones”.  You must have someone else in mind.    
1 Pet 2:5 -  you also, as living stones, are being built up a spiritual house, a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.
The spiritual house is the Temple built on the Body of Christ.  The “living stones” are God’s priesthood, and the people belonging to God. (1 Pet 2:9,10)
2 Cor 6:16 - And what agreement has the temple of God with idols? For you are the temple of the living God. As God has said: “I will dwell in them And walk among them. I will be their God, And they shall be My people.”
Heb 8:10 – “For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.
Priests are to teach God’s laws:
Mal 2:7 - “For the lips of a priest should keep knowledge,
And people should seek the law from his mouth;
For he is the messenger of the Lord of hosts.
To the physical Gentiles who became spiritual “Israel” –
“Now, therefore, you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, 20 having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief cornerstone, 21 in whom the whole building, being fitted together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord, 22 in whom you also are being built together for a dwelling place of God in the Spirit.” Eph 2:19-20
This doesn’t talk about a physical, concrete building.  This indicates the members of Jesus’ spiritual Body/Temple/House and dwelling of God.
Right!  Which means, there is no need for an earthly organization that requires maintenance, upkeep, servitude and obedience to men! God would not be dwelling in such "temples" made with hands.  (Acts 17:24,25)   That would not be the "in spirit and truth" of Jesus Christ, who said to "lay for ourselves, treasure in heaven", and not on earth.  Matt 6:19-21
"So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, 17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ. 18 Let no one cheat you of your reward, taking delight in false humility and worship of angels, intruding into those things which he has not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, 19 and not holding fast to the Head, from whom all the body, nourished and knit together by joints and ligaments, grows with the increase that is from God.
Therefore, if you died with Christ from the basic principles of the world, why, as though living in the world, do you subject yourselves to regulations— 21 “Do not touch, do not taste, do not handle,” 22 which all concern things which perish with the using—according to the commandments and doctrines of men? 23 These things indeed have an appearance of wisdom in self-imposed religion, false humility, and neglect of the body, but are of no value against the indulgence of the flesh." Col 2:16-23
It is not in the future.  Each anointed one is sealed by Jesus Christ - even when he or she is still on the earth. (Eph 1:13,14)   The "seal" is the mark that identifies who that anointed one belongs to.  Your organization expects dedication to IT.  When we dedicate ourselves to an operation, an organization; we are recognized or "marked" as belonging to that entity. Can we bear two spiritual "marks"?  One of God, and one of a spiritual organization?  No.  The only requirement expected by God is our dedication to Him and Jesus Christ, as your scripture brings out in John 4:23,24
Jer 31:33; Deut 11:18; Heb 8:10; Eph 1:13; Rev 14:1
Mark of Slavery
 
 
 

@xero Good call on the Vox Day SJW book. The idea that "SJWs always lie" isn't exactly true, but when they do, they seem to have no choice but to double-down if called out (as Vox Day says) and I've never seen such projection and blame-shifting (as Vox Day says). My son's most recent college experience found that SJWs are pretty much able to ruin any discussion about anything, and they'll feel proud of themselves in so doing.

https://www.npr.org/2021/04/14/987383916/u-s-health-officials-continue-pause-of-johnson-johnson-vaccine

I thought I'd just repeat this for anyone that thinks they are 'showing love' to others be taking that drug. 
The vaccine does not protect anyone, does not stop a person catching, carrying, passing on, the virus, so it proves to be just an experiment on people .  
Many older folk here in England are dying even after having the vaccine. 
 

I got it. Randomly I’ll hear Bill Gates whisper sweet nothings in my ear telling me to buy more Microsoft products, it’s a weird side effect, but on the plus side I grew an extra set of limbs making me much more productive at work. I’m hoping I’ll be a candidate for employee of the month now.

I don't hate you, but maybe you hate me for challenging your organization's doctrines - and your own doctrine.
Slandering...these are the organization's baptism questions:
(1)Have you repented of your sins, dedicated yourself to Jehovah, and accepted his way of salvation through Jesus Christ?” 

(2) “Do you understand that your baptism identifies you as one of Jehovah’s Witnesses in association with Jehovah’s organization?”
In these words, Jesus is not directly recognized. He is mentioned in a roundabout way.   Are new members dedicating themselves to the Father and Jesus Christ?  Why isn’t the Holy Spirit – the Spirit of Truth – mentioned at all?(John 16:3)  Why does dedication to an organization take precedence over dedication to Jesus Christ, and recognition of God’s Holy Spirit in His Son? (John 15:26)
Do you know that it is written in your magazine that the organization decided to put less emphasis on the name of Jesus and more emphasis on “Jehovah”?  So no, you do not preach in the name of Jesus Christ.  You do not preach that God’s anointed priesthood and members of Christ’s body are to be in subjection to him  only, but it is admonished that they must be in subjection to the elder body.  If the anointed members of Christ’s body are replaced by a counterfeit priesthood, then Jesus Christ is also “replaced” by a GB which requires dedication to their organization, and not to Jesus Christ.  (2 Thess 2:1-3; Rev 11:1,2)
When Jesus came near, he spoke to them. He said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 So wherever you go, make disciples of all nations: Baptize them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit. 20 Teach them to do everything I have commanded you. 
And remember that I am always with you until the end of time.”  Matt 28:19-20
He spoke these words to the "living stones" - the foundations stones of the Temple built on his body. (John 2:19-21; 1 Cor 3:10-11) The orders were given specifically to them, which would also be given to any subsequent anointed ones brought into the Temple/dwelling of God.  (1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17; Eph 2:20-22)  Who is it, that baptizes new JWs?  The appointed priests of "Israel",  or a counterfeit priesthood of elder "Gentiles"?  No wonder the baptism questions are not aligned with the command of Jesus Christ.  (Dan 11:36)
If Jesus' name and the Temple of his Body is blasphemed, by ignoring his command,  so is the "name" and reputation of God.
"And he (the Beast, the organization that requires dedication) was given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies, and he was given authority to continue for forty-two months. 6 Then he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme His name, His tabernacle, and those who dwell in heaven. 7 It was granted to him (the elder core of the organization) to make war with the saints and to overcome them. And authority was given him over every tribe, tongue, and nation."  Rev 13:5-7
Whatever you do, don't take "forty-two months" as literal.  Revelation is a symbolic book of signs.  (Rev 1:1)

When was the last time JWs were reproached for the name of Christ?  They are reproached for the name of an organization and for the name attached to it - "Jehovah".  

https://www.bitchute.com/video/InH89amCpy7S/

I got it. Randomly I’ll hear Bill Gates whisper sweet nothings in my ear telling me to buy more Microsoft products, it’s a weird side effect, but on the plus side I grew an extra set of limbs making me much more productive at work. I’m hoping I’ll be a candidate for employee of the month now.

Do you mean like the proverbs about where there is no fuel, the fire goes out? (Proverbs 20:26) There may be something to that. 
Sometimes rage boils over into the actual world. You wouldn’t want to think you were a contributing factor to that.
It may not be like how “experts” in the back pocket of video game makers assure us that online violence presents just a harmless substitute for the real thing. 
It may be like how those “experts” would never dare say the same thing with regard to child porn. Nor would they ever dare say it with regard to hate speech against gays, transgenders, or minorities.
Look! How little a fire it takes to set so great a woodland on fire! Well, the tongue is a fire. (James 3:5)
That may be indeed the applicable verse here. Our people clearly recognize it in other circumstances.

I got it. Randomly I’ll hear Bill Gates whisper sweet nothings in my ear telling me to buy more Microsoft products, it’s a weird side effect, but on the plus side I grew an extra set of limbs making me much more productive at work. I’m hoping I’ll be a candidate for employee of the month now.

My mistake .... It seems EVERYBODY except sEN-OR Chavez are ignorant, maggots, deaf, dumb, stupid, worthless critics, hypocrites, scum, uneducated, clueless, and animals ..... except sEN-OR Chaves.
I stand corrected.

The total self-absorbtion is a tip-off, too. If his self-importance is pricked in any way, he goes into search-and-destroy mode, and nobody gets even the tiniest bit of credit for anything.
@Arauna is case-in-point and it pains me to see her so abused. She has her point of view, of course, like anyone. Still, Cesar was routinely upvoting her posts. Then she made the mistake of mildly contradicting him on an inconsequential point. Even though she clarified, mollified, partially backtracked, and even apologized, it did no good. Jezebel is more noble in his eyes now. 
For the life of me, I don’t know why anyone gets into long exchanges with him. Have they nothing at all to do with their time? Plainly, he is deranged.

I keep trying to tell you; he is a troll

I never know if Mr Tom is talking about CC = Billy, or me. Tom has total dislike for both of us and thinks we are both insane. But Bro Rando takes the biscuit for being deranged I think. 
 

Oh this is lovely  .  Basically saying "We have to continue to tell lies otherwise we loose the congregation". 
A core doctrine that is a deliberate lie.  Oh they of little faith. 
Didn't it ever come to mind about Jesus saying "Unless you drink my blood and eat my flesh ...... "  Shock happens, but when faith is strong then the faithful remain. 
Worried about being d/fed. Worrying about the 'flock' not having enough to 'fall back on'.  Absolutely no faith what so ever. 

“Therefore whoever hears these sayings of Mine, and does them, I will liken him to a wise man who built his house on the rock: 25 and the rain descended, the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house; and it did not fall, for it was founded on the rock.
26 “But everyone who hears these sayings of Mine, and does not do them, will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand: 27 and the rain descended, the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house; and it fell. And great was its fall.”
28 And so it was, when Jesus had ended these sayings, that the people were astonished at His teaching, 29 for He taught them as one having authority, and not as the scribes." Matt 7:24-29
This is why people leave the organization.  They see the leadership floundering at keeping their "house" built on shady, weak "foolish" teachings, stable.  But it will fall, as Jesus promises in his words here.  Why do people want to go down with it?  Why are they so foolish?