Dmitar

Accusations my dear.   I did not intend to defend her.  Another misassumption on your part. You know very well who is the father of false accusations. 
I think I could  have have a pretty good debate with you about the universal laws of Jehovah by just using the Mosaic law and universal principles taught by Jesus - but I would not risk the nastiness.  You are NOT qualified to teach as you do not have any patience and you have no kindness or love. If I could learn something from you - you are sure to go and mess it up with total loss of self-control regarding accusations and reviling.  

An appalling, horrible thing
has taken place in the land.
31 The prophets prophesy falsely,
and the priests rule by their own authority.
My people love it like this.
But what will you do at the end of it?  Jer 5:30,31
How many decrees has the GB set, explaining that they come from God, but are not decrees found in His word?  It is not possible for these uninspired men to receive direct information from God or through a "spirit-directed organization" on earth, which doesn't exist unless it is demon-inspired. (1 Tim 4:1; Rev 13:15) Any decrees that they establish, whether it be turning in time on a piece of paper, setting goals of hours in "field service", encouraging the reaching out for a status position, revering a building as belonging to God...all come from the mouths of prophets prophesying falsely, and counterfeit "priests" ruling by their own authority.  

That's why you have millions of ExJWs that are too weak to remain loyal to God. God doesn't need weak-minded people to do the devil's work. He does just fine without you. The problem is, you're just too dumb to understand, it. Obedience is not high in your loyal compass. Yet you want to judge? LOL!!! 😅
Funny how you don't see what your actions are doing. 
They include the following: apostasy is a sign of the last days, is warned against repeatedly in the New Testament, impacts every major doctrine, is internal, knows no limits in terms of who becomes involved in it, can happen quickly, is satanically energized, is destructive, makes life difficult for the man of God, and can be guarded against. 😁

This is true. You people here should consider these words, seeing as you are false brothers.

No, that's not the reasons people leave. The Child Sexual Abuse / Pedophile problem earth wide gave hundreds, if not thousands of JWs, a good reason to leave.  The false predictions of Armageddon, the lies of being in the last part of the last day, having to distribute those lies to members of the public via the Watchtower magazine. 
There is no 'narrow road' within the JW community.  There is, immorality, adultery, child abuse, idol worship of the GB and the org, baptism of children as young as 6 years old and then disfellowshipping when those children cannot live up to GB standards, dictatorship by the GB and Elders based on man made rules and traditions. Demands for money in 'donations', misuse of congregants labour to build Kingdom Halls which the GB then sell at a profit. Hidden profits from the buying and selling of houses and business properties / real estate. And all the time pretending to be a charity. 
Where is this narrow road in the JW Org ?  Yeshua didn't have a 'place to lay his head'. But most of you here will have a nice comfortable home. You must all have a computer or 'cell phone' / mobile phone for internet access. I would think you have good food in your stomach, good clothes on your back, and now you don't even have to leave home for your meetings. 
"Can't be bothered" you say ?  I tell you this, it is more difficult to leave that Org, for the right reasons, knowing that over one hundred people in your local congregation will 'disown' you instantly, than to stay in that org and pretend it is the right place to be. 
I know folks get fed up with me mentioning these things but it is just to give balance to the lies that Ex JWs are just too lazy or too selfish to remain in that Org. 

You don't need to reach out to me, I'm not important. What you should do is, continue the great commission, regardless of what your personal feeling are. I cannot believe, you have a NONE JW defending the truth more so than real JWs. How can that be?
Am I saying, be harsh as me? No! @Space Merchant doesn't allow for attitudes, even though he might slip once in a while with me. But, he puts his best foot forward, which is something you should all have learned long ago.
(Proverbs 22:29) 29 Have you seen a man skillful at his work? He will stand before kings; He will not stand before common men.
 

That's where we differ, I was taught by the best Bible educated person, Fred Franz. Even so, we all have a choice to make. You can either dedicate yourself to the service of God, or you can rely on your own interpretation of scripture and fool yourself into thinking you are doing the right thing.
I don't expect you to. I want to see, you dust yourself off and fight for your salvation. Ask God for mercy and forgiveness, even if you think you are talked out. Just like God, I refuse to see quitters in a race they started toward their personal salvation. I hate to think people coming here will be influenced in not accepting the righteous path of Christ. JWs are better than that.
Like I said, it's not about me, it's about getting you people here back in the correct road to salvation, no matter what it takes.

You need to know someone, to know that. I convene committee's not get dictated by them. I follow God's laws. You people don't. So, don't think for one minute, I would associate myself with you fake witnesses here, much less call you brothers. Baptism meant something to me. I have yet to see any committee not understand my position against apostates. Especially those from within my institution that none of you, should be part of.
But, it has never been about me. It's the falsehood and deception you people offer to the visitor. If you think there can't be someone as strong as Peter among the ranks, then you just meant one. Until you understand about "gifts" are, you will always be blind.
However, I don't need to explain myself to none of you. That you don't get to know.

You wouldn't be counseled in any KH, you'd be disfellowshipped no matter how you slice it, just like that obtuse mutt, @Pudgy. That institution has no need for more apostates. There are millions already. You should join them and stop trying to be something you're not, Christian.

If you think you need to justify your behavior and action by qualifying others, Then it doesn't matter if you see something you never will. As for writing more clearly, I do my best to keep it simple that even a 6-year-old could understand. If I get simpler, I'd have to use crayons and pictures like @Pudgy. That would be contrary to spiritual maturity by staying as a spiritual child.

If you think you need to justify your behavior and action by qualifying others, Then it doesn't matter if you see something you never will. As for writing more clearly, I do my best to keep it simple that even a 6-year-old could understand. If I get simpler, I'd have to use crayons and pictures like @Pudgy. That would be contrary to spiritual maturity by staying as a spiritual child.

Then Sin started with him and no one else. Adam and Eve came after. From that point, it's been his doing. There was no one before the devil to cause sin in heaven or earth.

True, I'm not denying the greatest commandment, which is love God first, then others. Something that is lacking here with God. If you understand it, apply it in your life, since you are dealing with apostates here, that once understood that principle.
Mark 12:28-34
New International Version
The Greatest Commandment
28 One of the teachers of the law came and heard them debating. Noticing that Jesus had given them a good answer, he asked him, “Of all the commandments, which is the most important?”
29 “The most important one,” answered Jesus, “is this: ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.[a] 30 Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’[b] 31 The second is this: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[c] There is no commandment greater than these.”

Yes, good evidence/proof that there is only "one law" (moral code or sense for justice) for angels and human.

Not many listened to Jesus Pugsy..and none of the original Israelites other than Joshua and Kaleb survived or were found acceptable to Jehovah…as to the 73% who leave…I dont know if that number is correct..but that narrow road is preety hard to stay on with one’s like this brother…..and others just cannot be bothered.

I have had the exact same thoughts as you have expressed….hence at times trying hard to understand him and upvote his considerable knowledge.
I can also perceive a jealousy when he sees a bond between most of us….I get that…I can tolerate that….but when one kills people off and condemns  them spiritually …and runs others off….without even a hint of remorse…there is something terribly wrong.
Then at some stage someone needs to step up and say enough….stop.
Because kindness has not worked
I dont doubt what you seen at bethel….but at some stage someone pulled those brothers up before they killed each other…and reigned them in.
If he is a brother…then I would like nothing more than have peace with him..I also agree he has great knowledge but he abuses it..and it’s a shame… because it’s wasted.
I dont doubt it when he said he was taught by Franz….but beating brothers and sisters does not keep them on the narrow road…

Yikes!
That is scarier than a President Hillary Clinton!

You need to know someone, to know that. I convene committee's not get dictated by them. I follow God's laws. You people don't. So, don't think for one minute, I would associate myself with you fake witnesses here, much less call you brothers. Baptism meant something to me. I have yet to see any committee not understand my position against apostates. Especially those from within my institution that none of you, should be part of.
But, it has never been about me. It's the falsehood and deception you people offer to the visitor. If you think there can't be someone as strong as Peter among the ranks, then you just meant one. Until you understand about "gifts" are, you will always be blind.
However, I don't need to explain myself to none of you. That you don't get to know.

I really appreciated the insight here. Thanks.

I understand what you are saying, and for a while, I would have agreed that he was not a real Witness, and that he was only a counterfeit to make Witnesses look bad. I know that other Witnesses here also "disown" him from the ranks of baptized Witnesses. I suspect that his personality has already made trouble for himself with the elders, and that this is one of the reasons he reaches out here. Like the guy who gets yelled at when he's at work, and must find a dog to kick when he gets home.
But I think the matter is more complex with him. On the most visible level it appears that he is a living embodiment of the works of the flesh, and the opposite of every fruit of the spirit.
(Galatians 5:19-26) . . .Now the works of the flesh are plainly seen, and they are sexual immorality, uncleanness, brazen conduct, 20 idolatry, spiritism, hostility, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, dissensions, divisions, sects, 21envy, ... 22 On the other hand, the fruitage of the spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faith, 23 mildness, self-control. ...26 Let us not become egotistical, stirring up competition with one another, envying one another.
But I think there are other "layers" when you peel back the onion, so to speak. I see difficult issues of a struggling Witness, and I think he is constantly, if inadvertently, giving us hints about these struggles. We might think that we'd never witness such levels of wrath and reviling and name-calling within a congregation, but I've seen such things manifest in otherwise well-meaning brothers within the Writing Department at Bethel. I won't name names here, but sometimes brothers in the most responsible positions --persons I normally thought of as loving-- could actually turn "vicious" against even the most mild-mannered and peace-loving brothers. But, right or wrong, it was usually because they were seeing something they felt was a spiritual danger to the brotherhood. Unfortunately, this could be taken so far that brothers in responsible positions even felt that admitting a mistake could constitute a spiritual danger to the organizational arrangement.
This is the level where I find some of Dmitar's wrath understandable. He has seen some of the things that I have said, you have said, Arauna, Tom, Anna, etc., that are very disturbing to him. It's because he feels the need to be a kind of "hero" that fights when there is any perceived "attack" against the organization. He is the "Billy-the-Kid, Wyatt-Earp-styled gunslinger of the old American West" hunting out all possible forms of dangerous thinking.
I've seen this hero complex before, and I agree that it tends to offer no more than haughty, puffed-up knowledge (but often just pretentious bluster) instead of love. If you have ever followed the early on-line history of one calling himself scholar_jw here or even Rolf Furuli, you'll see the same thing. They are hoping to be "heroes" to defend the less defensible traditions. Even some of the "fringe" Witnesses who have been here, and who offer their unique interpretations of prophecies --and who evidently think they are defending WTS doctrines-- will often show a real "mean streak" when their date predictions are questioned.
But I also see that kind of ego revealed in the sound of my own words, and sometimes in anyone else who questions a current teaching or practice. So, in spite of what I don't appreciate about him and others like him, I thought it was only fair to also offer anything positive about him. It was intended as a kind of one-sided "eulogy" if he is really leaving the forum.

You wouldn't be counseled in any KH, you'd be disfellowshipped no matter how you slice it, just like that obtuse mutt, @Pudgy. That institution has no need for more apostates. There are millions already. You should join them and stop trying to be something you're not, Christian.

Well thank you..for I thought I must be going nuts or have thin skin …but I would have to say there is no excuse for cruelness…and at some stage someone needs to stop such..because it cannot come from a source or spirit as Jehovah …

Years ago, I took my family to a Renaissance Faire, where people walk around in costumes from the 1500s and 1600s, and they have Shakespearean plays, and jousting contests on horses, fake sword fights, all for entertainment  … and vendors selling giant turkey legs, etc.  Sorta like walking through a medieval village in England.  The entrance to the Renaissance Faire looks like a castle and is attended by thousands of people, who pay for this.
I paid a costumed Professional Insulter $5 to insult me and his non-stop invectives for five solid minutes were blistering, embarrassing, and took insulting to all new levels that I did not even know existed. But it was all in good fun and I laughed and laughed with a sense of wonder about how he could possibly think of such things.
The thing about Dmitar’s insults is that they’re just plain malicious and hateful with no redeeming social value. Actual slander.
Malignant.

I never said special laws I said different laws….one law ( applied to mankind ) when disobeyed  resulted in death that would be considered the first death for mankind …there was hope of recovery from that death due to Jesus ransom.
The same law when applied to the angels who sinned …had a different outcome there was no hope of recovery for them….their deaths will result In The second death .
My apologies if my wording was confusing,,,not that I think your at all genuine Sereko…I don’t,

Knowledge is not what is most important JWI….if he behaved in the KH as he does here..he would be spiritually  counselled by the elders…once and perhaps twice…and if he continued to slander other brothers and sisters and bully them and call out numerous ones as liars etc he would be disfellowshipped for that.
Any witness…real witness must conduct themselves at a reasonable level of Christian conduct …ANYWHERE….even on a forum..you cannot excuse any witness of incredibly bad ….repeatedly bad behaviour …just because he offers up some good info…of which I agree…and have even upvoted….just because he is on a forum.
Satan himself would offer up as good a argument..and even better..but we would not sit at his table with him.
Tho I have blocked this so called brother I can follow the gist  of this argument…
Even tho his knowledge is good and his defence at times admirable…it is rubbed away..and deleted by his conduct and absolutely incredible slander and abuse to other brothers and sisters here.
In doing that he actually backs up in a way others who deliberately lie about witnesses…he is helping and aiding their hated and confusion of nearly every witness on this forum and the brotherhood.
The woman who followed Jesus around continually crying out that this is Indeed the Son of God ….actually caused Jesus such irritation even tho speaking highly of him and in fact truths ..frustration enough to demand the demon with in her to depart.
Giving himself and his followers a measure of peace..even tho she had only cried out truths.
Do you think this person can really be a brother..going by his fruits displayed over a long period of time.
I openly admit he has much more knowledge of the scriptures than I…but I have had to walk away from this person because of the harm he does to the truth in his behaviour.
I have never seen such behaviour anywhere in over four decades in the truth and being on a forum is not a free for all as some seem to think….not for a witness of a Jehovah …not for a true witness.
And for those that disagree with me…then I ask you to invite him onto your personal Facebook pages or into your homes….or perhaps arrange to meet him at your or his Kingdom Hall…or for a coffee.
See if he turns up…he’s a con job …