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Glad you made the cartoon. That's right, I'm not impressed!

Does this mean, you are keeping track of the people you have knocked off?
Keep in mind who actually started this campaign, and who people defend here as usual. Why is witness still part of your group, I wonder. So, the lies, and deception you are talking about, is about the false accusations people tend to make without evidence. I find the humor acceptable, too, when a circumstance is reversed to understand where honesty lies.
"if you notice a bony grey hand clawing it’s way up out of the ground, it’s probably just Wally McNasty come to downvote."

The boldness displayed by the governing body to publish and extol their list of "Beliefs Clarified", as if it brings JWs closer to "truth", reminds me of Proverbs 13:16 - 
"Every prudent man acts with knowledge, but a fool flaunts his folly."

Part of the quote was left out to make the connection:
Such "trees" have hindered the operation of Holy Spirit within them (Eph.4:30; 1Thess.5:19; Acts7:51; Matt.7:19; Jer.48:13) by overconfidence in themselves or others.
 

This only works if there is no corruption and honesty. Maybe that's acceptable to you, not me. However, as someone stated earlier on this post, stick to scripture and on topic. Statistics are of no concern.

@JW Insider


Yes, I wonder where I've seen this before!!!

This only works if there is no corruption and honesty. Maybe that's acceptable to you, not me. However, as someone stated earlier on this post, stick to scripture and on topic. Statistics are of no concern.

I could tell you but then I'd have to down-vote you.

The neat thing about the internet is it doesn’t matter. Write what you write and go to bed. I’ll make sure the ruffians don’t erase it while you sleep. Then when you wake and see ten dumb comments appended to your remark, blast away.

Jesus told the crowds all these things in parables, and he did not tell them anything without a parable, 35 so that what was spoken through the prophet might be fulfilled:
I will open my mouth in parables;
I will declare things kept secret
from the foundation of the world.   Matt 13:34,35
The meaning of the Greek word rendered “parable” –  "a comparing, comparison of one thing with another, likeness, similitude".
Matt 24 speaks of factors, segments, that comprise an event that one of you says is spiritual – “birth pains”.  I agree. But… how can the factors themselves, which cause symbolic, spiritual “birth pains” be taken literally?  There is no consistency in that reasoning.  Jesus, who spoke in parables, said that the coming of the kingdom will not arrive with observation.  He told his disciples/apostles that the kingdom is “within you”, “in your midst”. (Luke 17:20,21)
Those anointed in Jesus day, and the anointed today, are under the woman covenant, (Gal 4:26); they experience the spiritual signs said to be “birth pains”. In Revelation it is this “woman” promise and those under that promise, that are giving “birth”; collectively and individually giving “birth” to the Kingdom. (Gal 4:19) The Kingdom was not “born” in heaven in 1914, otherwise all the sealed anointed would be ruling with Jesus Christ and God Kingdom would be here.
Besides, one of you is saying there is another “birth” about to happen.  Two births?  Just like two Armageddons? 
Satan’s “showy display” of literal war, pestilence, famine, earthquakes, etc., cannot attribute to spiritual “birth pains”.  His “world” will not be giving birth to the Kingdom.  JWs give Satan more attention than Jesus Christ and the anointed members of his Body, who comprise the spiritual Temple.  Why are you looking at Satan’s world for the coming of the Kingdom of God, when Jesus said his kingdom is NO PART OF THIS WORLD? Again, he said to his disciples, "the kingdom is within you" - they will be experience the birth pains.  Satan has the ability manipulate the spiritual signs by making them visible, as physical signs in his realm.  
“Earthquakes in various places”, that affect the heart –Job 37:1,2; Ezek 38:18,19; Isa 64:1,2; Hag 2:7; Amos 9:9; Heb 12:25-27 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Job+37%3A1%2C2%3B+Ezek+38%3A18%2C19%3B+Isa+64%3A1%2C2%3B+Hag+2%3A7%3B+Amos+9%3A9%3B+Heb+12%3A25-27&version=NKJV
Since Rev 12:2 tells us it is those under the new covenant “woman” who are experiencing these birth pains, the signs are significantly felt by the anointed “Israel”.
Yet, even those residing with them will experience some of their effects.    
“Nations will rise against nations, kingdom against kingdom”.  JWs are from all nations of the world.  From opposite sides of the globe, you two are warring with each other over interpretation of scripture.
Matt 24:6 – “And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars”.
 I “war” against the teachings of the GB – they “war” against myself, Pearl, Rachel and other so-called “apostates”.  Apostates are “warring” with each other.  JWs “war” against apostates.  It is a war of words pertaining to truth, or lies; doctrines taught by the governing body, and the uprising it causes against their falsehoods.  And certainly, the uprising is kingdom against kingdom – the “kings of the earth” which are Christ’s anointed kings.  (1 Pet 2:5,9; Rev 1:5;5:9,10) Just read the scriptures to SEE that you are wrong in applying the "kings of the earth" to the world's rulers. 
What does the GB do to retaliate in this war of words? Hire lawyers to support their desire to sue individuals; and do their best to shut people up, and shut them down.  Can you imagine Jesus taking people to court over what he taught?  
Thomas Jefferson:  “It is error alone which needs the support of government. Truth can stand by itself”.
But while JWs are in the middle of this spiritual war, they still believe that Satan’s theatrical display is part of symbolic “birth pains”.
If you say you believe in the word of God, then listen to what it says!
“ For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war according to the flesh. 4 For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal but mighty in God for pulling down strongholds, 5 casting down arguments and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ”  2 Cor 2:3-5
“Famines” - “Behold, the days are coming,” says the Lord God,
“That I will send a famine on the land,
Not a famine of bread,
Nor a thirst for water,
But of hearing the words of the Lord.”  Amos 8:11
Why would the anointed “Israel” in the last days be suffering from not hearing the words of the Lord?  Check your Belief Clarified list!  Recall all your failed doctrines, dates, inability to understand the meaning “this generation”, the locusts of Joel, just to name a few recent ones.  1914 is a LIE.  
Matt 24:24,25 – more signs that affect the anointed “elect”; and are the reason for the existence of spiritual famine and pestilences in the organization.(1 Tim 4:1)
“Pestilences” –“And their scribes and the Pharisees complained against His disciples, saying, “Why do You eat and drink with tax collectors and sinners?”
31 Jesus answered and said to them, “Those who are well have no need of a physician, but those who are sick. 32 I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners, to repentance.”  Luke 5:30-32
Under false teachers, false prophets, truth has been thrown down to the ground. (Dan 8:12) Evidence is in the trail of failed teachings.  The anointed are silenced – people who have the spirit of truth in their heart, but are not allowed to meet together, not allowed to contribute spiritual food. (1 John 2:20)  Who does?  Elders, not anointed, who have not had God’s spirit poured into their hearts. (Rom 5:5) Are the anointed priests able to teach God’s word as scripture says they should? (Mal 2:7) Can they provide the healing words of Jesus Christ?  Are they able to provide their spiritual sacrifices of praise by doing so? No, the elders have taken over that role, just like Korah desired to usurp the priesthood in Moses' day.  2 Thess 2:3,4
“In the rebellion, the army was given up, together with the regular sacrifice. The horn threw truth to the ground and was successful in what it did.”  Dan 8:12
This is why you have spiritual famine and pestilence in the organization.  You are blind to the need of truth from Jesus Christ (Rev 3:17-19), who would provide his priests with the spiritual food to feed all under an authentic faithful and discreet slave/steward of God’s household (Eph 2:20-22)…IF the anointed turned to him, and away from false prophets.  Matt 24:45-51
“Lawlessness” - "Because lawlessness will multiply, the love of many will grow cold.” 
Lack of love is lawlessness, according to Jesus Christ.  Matt 24:12  The laws of God are fulfilled in love through Christ. (Rom 13:8)  If God’s laws are not taught, which they aren’t in the Wt., then lawlessness thrives, which it does. The organization easily disfellowships people, cutting off all acts love, even to one’s child. You will say God’s laws ARE taught.  No, because the teachers who have His laws written in their hearts, have been silenced. (Heb 8:10) The GB “rule”, and dismiss their brothers and sisters in Christ. It is they, who have made the decree that the anointed cannot “bond” together.  Is that an act of love shown for the anointed Body of Christ?  (1 Cor 12)   The spiritual Temple that they represent, has been trampled by the elders who replaced them as priests.  1 Cor 3:16,17; Rev 11:1,2   An idol/organization has taken its place.  Rom 1:25; Rev 13:1,2,5-7; 16:13-16  And now your fake priests serve the idol.  
Ezek 44:6-9 - “Say to the rebellious people, the house of Israel, ‘This is what the Lord God says: I have had enough of all your detestable practices, house of Israel. 7 When you brought in foreigners, uncircumcised in both heart and flesh, (not anointed elders)  to occupy my sanctuary, you defiled my temple while you offered my food—the fat and the blood. You broke my covenant by all your detestable practices. 8 You have not kept charge of my holy things but have appointed others to keep charge of my sanctuary for you.’
9 “This is what the Lord God says: No foreigner, uncircumcised in heart and flesh, may enter my sanctuary, not even a foreigner who is among the Israelites.
"Many will say to me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?' 23 "And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from me, you who practice lawlessness!'  Matt 7:22,23
JWs reside with the “disgusting thing standing in the holy place”; the holy place is  the Temple of God.  That “disgusting” abomination of desolation is described above in Ezek 44:6-9.  It is the same abomination that Daniel and the apostle John said would occur in the last days.
Again, what is desolated? The Temple of God, made of “living stones” in the anointed. People are downtrodden, threatened with expulsion and loss of family by a wicked slave who demands obedience to whatever teachings and decrees they may dish out. (Matt 24:48-51)  And yet all of you look to Satan’s world for the fulfillment of Matt 24.  Everything, every word Jesus spoke in Matt 24, applies to God's "Israel" and those who are with them.  
If anyone can perceive the presence of the abomination of desolation, you are to flee. Dan 11:31; Matt 24:15,16; Mark 13:14; 2 Thess 2:3,4,9-12; Rev 11:1-3; 18:4-8; 14:6-11
Armageddon happens just once, in the symbolic “valley of decision” – a war of truth against lies.  Joel 3:14  There is no other "Armageddon" a thousand years after the Kingdom comes. God's promise made in Rev 21, are steadfast and true.
God is not a man, that he might lie,
or a son of man, that he might change his mind.
Does he speak and not act,
or promise and not fulfill?  Num 23:19
 
The Disgusting Thing
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

You have shown what you are sir.  You have been exposed as an  egotistical..... puffed up.....human being.   When someone does not agree with you .....you take the route of personal insults, false accusations and twisting of the others person's words to get a  cheap "win"' at any cost.  You protect your ideas asif they were the bible itself.
Satan also quoted Jehovahs words and put a deceitful spin on it.... as he did with Eve.  Quoting the bible and putting false reasoning with it  - is not a truth. 
I have always been polite and put some reply on your "icons to your greatness "  on this forum to get a conversation going.... but now I realized..... you are not interested in an honest discussion of your "not-so-well-thought out ideas" .... You do not want any discussion on this forum........of any of your teachings.
You want your  words hanging here untouched  as a picture icon of your greatness.  And if someone upsets your apple cart and finds a dent in your reasoning -  you show a very ugly side to your personality.
 

Ahhhh... so you are admitting you are on the outside of our inner rooms.   Looking for a way to sneak in?  It won't work. 
Hebrews 10:26  For if we practice sin willfully after having received the accurate knowledge of the truth, there is no longer any sacrifice for sins left, 27  but there is a certain fearful expectation of judgment and a burning indignation that is going to consume those in opposition.
Hebrews 6:4 For as regards those who were once enlightened and who have tasted the heavenly free gift and who have become partakers of holy spirit 5  and who have tasted the fine word of God and powers of the coming system of things,* 6  but have fallen away, it is impossible to revive them again to repentance, because they nail the Son of God to the stake again for themselves and expose him to public shame.
 

More than enough scriptures were used at the convention.  I am not a teacher or a debater on this forum. I give logical opinions - that is it.
You can take up some of the thoughts which are in line with the scriptures you already know - or discard them.  I expect people on here to know most of the basic scriptures.
I have in the past taken the time to look up the scriptures and people just ignore them and go on presenting their own ideas. 

I suspect Arauna’s version is more accurate,  but I think either version would be best evaluated by reading about it at a table, in a comfortable chair, with good lighting, in a history book 600 years from now.
In the military there is the adage, “No battle plan survives first contact with the enemy.”, which is very often true.
Soon enough …. Perhaps too soon, we will ALL KNOW from first hand experience.
I just spent the last 20 minutes belly-laughing at the reader comments to the following breaking FOXNEWS FLASH!
 

Ok, I referred to our recent 3- day convention which you are not taking into consideration. . My language was not perfect, I agree, just as yours does not properly define literal and spiritual events. BUT the point was that the throwing of satan out of heaven was  actually (correction - not the first ) the 2nd step leading to the time of  the end / or the period leading up  to Armageddon. I loved the idea at the convention where they tied SEVERAL  literal events (or steps) to the eventual culmination in Armageddon. 
The first step was that Jesus was crowned in heaven. This was a literal event that took place in the spiritual realm..... (NOT A SPIRITUAL event.) ...... Jesus thereafter "hurled" Satan down. This was in the spiritual realm but was a literal / real event.....after this there are several signs/ steps and events which culminate in Armageddon.
 
My objection to your  writing was that you used either the wrong words or do not understand that it was literal events that took place.  They were not merely spiritual events. 
ARMAGEDDON FOR ME, IS A SINGLE, literal,  WORLD SITUATION which is a decisive battle between all human governments  and the incoming Godly government.. It does not last to the end of the 1000 years.  The reason being:  human rulership will have reached it's full potential  (which will prove once and for all, the corruption and futility  involved with human rule). Humankind will have reached its peak in science and its alienation from Jehovah. 
Gog of Magog, at the end of the millenium, will be a similar united resistance movement against jehovah  but it is not a  second phase of "Armageddon".  It will be an attempt to take over with human rule..... just like Adam and Eve did.  But the scale of suffering and a great tribulation such as the world had never seen before, will not be associated with it. 

I do not lack any understanding. Of course - all the armies of the world cannot congregate physically at the valley of Megiddo.... it is geographically too small BUT  it does not portray a cornered position as you say.  It actually portrays a "decisive battle " where Jehovah's side wins the literal battle. 
Even though the heavenly armies are fighting the battle - the bible portrays the literal corpses on earth which indicates it to be a literal event. Read Revelation 19.... the battle between christ and the coalition of earthly rulers. ..... it invites the birds to eat the corpses of people who are physically dead. ....... just as the time of Noah ..... breathing people will no longer be breathing. 

The slave told us that the war in heaven after Jesus was crowned was the first event leading up to Armageddon. It put satan on earth where he could war against the anointed.  This was one of the first of the progressive events leading up to Armageddon. 
 

I have given an answer to this inaccurate information - twice. You remove your post, as well as my reply, and then put your post up at a later date without comments. I do NOT agree with your posting but do not want to go through the hassle of putting up  a reply and it being removed - again.
Watch the convention programme of this year again and you will see the progression of Armageddon.... it does not comprise spiritual events - except the literal war in the "spiritual realm" when Satan was thrown out of heaven. 
Satan is literally destroyed at the end of 1000 years before Jesus hands back the Kingdom to his Father.

Presence of Christ Foretold (2x) 29 CE & 1914 CE
 
Prophecies often unfold with two fulfilments. The first revealing of a prophecy is often referred to as a minor or physical fulfillment. The second revealing is referred to as a major or spiritual fulfillment on a much grander scale. Prophecies often are intertwined with other prophecies undergoing fulfillment and can overlap one another. However, each prophecy has a beginning and an end. They cover a specific period of time. 
The Prophet Daniel foretold the coming of the first presence of the Messiah.  Not only did he pinpoint the year that the Messiah would show up but also pinpointed to the year of the Messiah’s death.  According to the first-century historian Flavius Josephus, the nation of the Jews began looking for the Messiah in the second quarter of the first century. Some of the Jews were asking questions about the Messiah’s forerunner. Now the people were in expectation and all of them were reasoning in their hearts about John, “May he perhaps be the Christ?” (Luke 3:15) 
Daniel foretold the coming of the Messiah, so some were in expectation of the Christ. Daniel indicates this prophecy would cover over a period of 70 weeks. Seven days in a week so each week represents a 7 year period. 7 x 70 weeks = 490 days. Apply a day for a year.  A total of 490 years from the word going out in 455 BCE.
Daniel then discusses the time period leading to the arrival of “Messiah the Leader”. He mentions “7 weeks, also 62 weeks”—a total of 69 weeks. So 7 x 69 = 483 years were to pass before the Messiah would appear on the scene. Another interesting feature of this prophecy is that Daniel broke up the 70 weeks into 3 sections. The 7 weeks would represent the word going out for 49 years. The 62 weeks represent a time period of another 434 years making it a total of 483 years to pass before the fulfillment would be realized. The final week is the 70th week that would bring us to 29 CE as the final week.  Jesus was about 30 years old when he presented himself for baptism to commence the work his God and Father had given him to do. 
But the last week, the 70th week, represents a seven year period. The last of the 490 years. So this time limit is from 29 CE to 36 CE.  Daniel goes on prophesying about the time that the Messiah be cut off. “And after the 62 weeks, Mes·siʹah will be cut off, with nothing for himself.” (Daniel 9:24)  What was the 3rd section of his prophecy?  The last week which was after the 62 weeks. He was speaking about the 70th week, the time period of 29 CE to 36 CE. “And he will keep the covenant in force for the many for one week; and at the half of the week, he will cause sacrifice and gift offering to cease.” (Daniel 9:27) Jesus was put to death at the half of that week on Nisan 14th, 33 CE causing sacrifice and gift offering to cease. 
Daniel also announced the Conclusion or the Last Days of the Jewish System of things. “And on the wing of disgusting things there will be the one causing desolation; and until an extermination, what was decided on will be poured out also on the one lying desolate.” (Daniel 9:27)  Does this scripture sound familiar for our day? The Jewish System of things was brought to its end in 70 CE with the Destruction of the Temple.
We can learn much from digging into scripture how Jehovah did things in the past by the means of his chosen messengers.  My favorite is learning the things from His Chief Messenger Jesus Christ and how modest and humble he actually was. He was considered a ‘perfect reflection’ of his God and Father, Jehovah. It’s my hope that you get to know Jesus Christ as I have come to know him.  Matter of fact, our lives depend on it. Jesus said to him: “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.” (John 14:6)
In answer to the question, “Tell us, when will these things be, and what will be the sign of your presence and of the conclusion of the system of things?” Jesus Christ himself stated; “Concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father.” (Matthew 24:36)
However, in the Book of Daniel, Bible Prophecy did point to a specific time period. Taking the time limit of 2,520 years and adding them to the time of destruction of the temple in Jerusalem 607 BCE, the timing lined up to the year 1914 CE.
Jesus eloquently gave a plethora of signs that made up a Composite Sign that would occur in marking when his second presence would occur. “Furthermore, when you hear of wars and disturbances, do not be terrified. For these things must take place first, but the end will not occur immediately.” Then he said to them: “Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be great earthquakes, and in one place after another food shortages and pestilences; and there will be fearful sights and from heaven great signs.” (Luke 21:9-11) “And this good news of the Kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.” (Matthew 24:14)
 
Jesus Christ's Presence would not be fleshly but an invisible one, since he plainly gave his faithful followers signs to look for, his return would come in three phases.
The greek word parousía is translated “presence”  The greek word epipháneia is translated “manifestation”  The greek word apokálypsis is translated “revelation”   
Since 1918 the epipháneia or epiphany are the manifestations of Jesus Christ Presence in Kingdom Glory. These manifestations are the signs causing all the tribes of the earth to beat themselves in lamentation or grief. (Rev 1:7)  It’s not a future event but these manifestations are happening now and you are feeling them today. The end is not the end of the world as most think but rather the end of the last days that began in 1914. The end of an age of wickedness.
After Jesus admitted of not knowing the hour or date of his presence and the conclusion of a system of things, he stated, “For just as the days of Noah were, so the Presence of the Son of man will be.” (Matthew 24:37)  The Last Days of Noah were assigned an allotment of time and when that time limit expired, so did the wicked. Notice Jesus did not say he would return in the flesh but stated just as the days of Noah were, so the Presence of the Son of man will BE!  People took no note until they were swept away. 
The days of Noah were 120 years in length. (Genesis 6:3) Could the last days be ‘a conclusion of the system of things’?  Yes it can.  The earth itself is not destroyed, however the revelation phase is poised to begin as the sheep or faithful followers of Jesus Christ are marked for survivorship to keep on living into Christ’s Millennial Reign as the wicked die off. The wicked die a permanent death like that of Adam and Eve and they may even complain why those who have been Named after the true God keep on living without sickness or illnesses. The Bible explains this time period of the final phase in this manner. “All the peoples of the earth will have to see that Jehovah’s name has been called upon you, and they will be afraid of you.” (Deuteronomy 28:10) There will be no need to preach to those who have been counted wicked after the Last Days have concluded. They have been abandoned. So the Last Days have a beginning (1914) and an end to them (2034).  So how is it that our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and the angels did not know the hour and date?
 
 It’s all about timing. 
Then he said: “Go, Daniel, because the words are to be kept secret and sealed up until the time of the end. Many will cleanse themselves and whiten themselves and will be refined. And the wicked ones will act wickedly, and none of the wicked will understand; but those having insight will understand.” (Daniel 12:9-10)
“It was revealed to them that they were ministering, not to themselves, but to you, regarding what has now been announced to you by those who declared the good news to you with holy spirit sent from heaven. Into these very things, angels are desiring to peer.” (1 Peter 1:12)
The sealing of the 144,000.pdf  or read online @ https://en.calameo.com/read/006657809802ddcc1ef25
 
 

What does anyone's handicap have to do with teaching the word of Jehovah? 

This is why Brother Letts perception is not false, when he stated "babies are enemies of God" the off right has now chosen to twist around on YouTube.-

What does anyone's handicap have to do with teaching the word of Jehovah? 

This is why Brother Letts perception is not false, when he stated "babies are enemies of God" the off right has now chosen to twist around on YouTube.-

Every child born is a potential Hitler, Alexander the Great or Ghinges Khan.  In fact, what is going on in the world right now - the extreme lies, gaslighting, propaganda by the wild beast and false prophet (Rev 16), are all done by people who are 'willingly' cooperating with the propaganda and getting the mark of the beast.
Humans are evil - all of them.  History confirms this. We are all born in sin.  The word sin refers to lacking the glory of God.  Not a teensy weensy, small lack but an extremely gaping, large lack.  If we think it is a little flaw - then we are bluffing ourselves.
We have to daily study the bible and keep close to Jehovah, to remain a just and moral being. The minute we stop taking in His word, we can drift away.   We need the Spirit of Jehovah on a daily basis to remain in the Truth.  We cannot do it on our own - even if some of us think we can.  While we remain in the love of Jehovah with the ransom covering our sins, we can remain. Jehovah is most merciful  - none of will remain in the truth if it was not for his mercy and training. 
Do not be misled - we should not bluff ourselves - we need Jehovah every minute of our lives to remain clean and without blemish.
 

I'd say that Jehovah is the judge of whose conscience is in order. Anyone who disagrees is an ass.