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    Evacuated got a reaction from Anna in Be Generous Toward Jehovah   
    It's certainly right to protect children from exploitation. And direct targeting of children, independent of their carers, by any organisation, (although prevalent), I find distasteful. Obviously, it is illegal in some contexts.
    However, I would have thought most parents, carers etc., like to help children to be unselfish and caring and aware of ways to help toward charitable causes. So I do not object to making children aware of these things in principle.
    And it seems children are very willing help if they are made aware of the need, with the BBC in 2013 reporting on a new survey which suggested that primary school children give up to £20 million each year to charity! This worked out as each child giving around £2 of their pocket money to charities every month. http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/21771068
    Children donating funds to, participating in, and even organizing charitable activities appears to generally meet with approval as many news items indicate.
    http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/13410154.Children_donate_pocket_money_to_buy_gifts_for_refugee_and_asylum_families/
    http://www.theguardian.com/voluntary-sector-network/2015/jun/19/philanthroteens-young-people-who-use-their-pocket-money-to-change-the-world
    http://www.kidspot.com.au/Family-Budget-Kids-and-money-Kids-donating-to-charity+1787+157+article.htm
    I do not approve of what I have experienced in the past with the more directly child-targeted endeavors of some organisations raising money for adopting animals, environmental causes, and the like. Some of my children experienced their direct methods through children's magazines, animal parks, or even well meaning school teacher initiatives, in years past. (Creating situations a bit like those caused by child-level sweet counters at supermarket checkouts!). I did not object to their causes, but to their methods.
    However, I have found that the various encouragements for children to contribute towards the activities of Jehovah's Witnesses are generally presented in the context of family-based activities with parental/carer involvement.
    Therefore, I do not see anything sinister in parents, carers, responsible adults making children aware of, or involving them in supporting Jehovah's Witness activities. I see it as a duty and part of a Christian up-bringing. The videos, experiences, printable excercises etc. on jw.org I just see as a means to that end.
    Of course, if one objected to the aims and objectives or tenets of the organisation, then any attempts it made to get support, financial or otherwise, would be objectionable.
     
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    Evacuated reacted to JW Insider in JW public witnessing carts in Poland   
    Is there evidence for this idea? I didn't see it from the picture. I've seen police come right up to the carts and show interest. I studied with a policeman and his family of 4 (who I met in door-to-door service). He and his wife were baptized together, and the children about 10 years later.
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    Evacuated got a reaction from Melinda Mills in Who are declared righteous for life ?   
    Don't be silly Ann. You know this was done for the benefit of the disciples. They were not in the heavenly realm at the time.
    This is interesting. Are you referring to Gen 6:2?
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    Evacuated got a reaction from SuzA in Voluntary Contributions   
    This has to be one of the most opinionated responses I have ever experienced on this forum although you likely don't mean to give that impression. You have absolutely no idea of what my experience of congregations has been or, for that matter, where I have had those experiences.
    Yes I have seen this chart. It is open to a considerable amount of skepticism. The sample was only 208 people. Most Jehovah's Witnesses (JWs) I know do not participate in surveys. What is the criteria for one's claim to affiliation? An alternative factor could be the emphasis JWs place on spiritual over secular activities. I.E. many witnesses actually choose part-time or lower paid employment to free them for spiritual activity.
    On the results alone I am pleased to see that JWs are separated which is always a good thing. As for them being bottom of the table this goes to show how much we accomplish from such an apparently low income base.  For example, The Journal of Contemporary Religion (Vol. 12, No2, 1997) noted that in the year 1993, the combined efforts of the Protestant Churches of US and Canada spent in excess of $2 Billion to support the work of 41,142 overseas missionaries. JWs spent $45 Million on supporting the work of 3,279,270 in the same period. A similar story would be told every year. As for results, which religious group would first come to mind as associated with God's name "Jehovah" or the biblical term "the kingdom of God"?
    And on a strategy level alone, after leaving school at 16, I have spent my life in the bottom 2 sectors of the income table, yet was never without work or income, raised 5 children, own my own home (above average standard and mortgage-free), serve in full time ministry, organised finances to not now require an earned income whilst pioneering. I consider myself to be a fairly "typical"JW. Oh, of course I don't smoke, gamble, abuse alcohol or other substances and am not locked into a trend-pursuing lifestyle or other resource-draining indulgence. So, I wonder if these factors are a consideration in drawing conclusions based on comparisons related to this table?
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    Evacuated reacted to JW Insider in Voluntary Contributions   
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    Evacuated got a reaction from JW Insider in Voluntary Contributions   
    This has to be one of the most opinionated responses I have ever experienced on this forum although you likely don't mean to give that impression. You have absolutely no idea of what my experience of congregations has been or, for that matter, where I have had those experiences.
    Yes I have seen this chart. It is open to a considerable amount of skepticism. The sample was only 208 people. Most Jehovah's Witnesses (JWs) I know do not participate in surveys. What is the criteria for one's claim to affiliation? An alternative factor could be the emphasis JWs place on spiritual over secular activities. I.E. many witnesses actually choose part-time or lower paid employment to free them for spiritual activity.
    On the results alone I am pleased to see that JWs are separated which is always a good thing. As for them being bottom of the table this goes to show how much we accomplish from such an apparently low income base.  For example, The Journal of Contemporary Religion (Vol. 12, No2, 1997) noted that in the year 1993, the combined efforts of the Protestant Churches of US and Canada spent in excess of $2 Billion to support the work of 41,142 overseas missionaries. JWs spent $45 Million on supporting the work of 3,279,270 in the same period. A similar story would be told every year. As for results, which religious group would first come to mind as associated with God's name "Jehovah" or the biblical term "the kingdom of God"?
    And on a strategy level alone, after leaving school at 16, I have spent my life in the bottom 2 sectors of the income table, yet was never without work or income, raised 5 children, own my own home (above average standard and mortgage-free), serve in full time ministry, organised finances to not now require an earned income whilst pioneering. I consider myself to be a fairly "typical"JW. Oh, of course I don't smoke, gamble, abuse alcohol or other substances and am not locked into a trend-pursuing lifestyle or other resource-draining indulgence. So, I wonder if these factors are a consideration in drawing conclusions based on comparisons related to this table?
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    Evacuated got a reaction from SuzA in Voluntary Contributions   
    This is an extraordinary and tragic account despite the lack of detail. Presumably, although you don't record it, you were able to provide needed assistance to this family yourself, hopefully with the help of others whom you would have surely alerted to the situation. I would like to know what happened in connection with the woefully inadequate response of the "elders" you describe in this scenario. You must have been living in a rather deprived area, or indeed country, at that time.
    I am glad to say that such a situation just would not occur in the area in which I live. And indeed, not in any congregation with which I have been involved.....................ever!
    I have already directed you to information describing the higher level organised response to physical need in the congregation worldwide. And I am glad that arrangements on this scale are centrally coordinated by Jehovah's Witnesses organisationally, because neither I nor my local congregation could do this effectively. I am confident that the contributions to the Worlwide work are appropriately managed with due priority given to the various areas for which material resources are required. I am sure the $236 million (2015) spent on caring for the fulltime workers worldwide represents only a fraction of centrally contributed funds, to say nothing of the time and materials freely donated by all of Jehovah's people involved in such Christian activities.
    This of course does not account for money and resources that are freely given by individuals in assisting their brothers and sisters locally, should they become aware of a need in harmony with Pro.3:27. We rarely hear detail of these actions unless we are directly involved in such kind acts either as giving or receiving. And rightly so, in harmony with Jesus words at Matt.6:1-4. I could list many examples of acts of kindness to fellow Christians that I am aware of or have been a party to over the years, but these are not matters for public broadcast. And neither are the needs of those who for one reason or another fall on hard times.
    Jesus said that "you always have the poor with you". And it seems he maintained a fund which included resources to be given to the poor, of which treachorous Judas availed himself. (John 12:1-8). But nowhere in scripture do we find recorded specific examples of donations of that money to any needy individuals although examples of Jesus genorous spirit abound, such as his feeding of multitudes when necessary.
    Obviously, specific needs requiring a more organised response locally are sometimes required, such as that recorded at Acts 6:1-4; 1Cor.16:1-4; or 1Tim.5:9. And if today, such arrangements are warranted due to some serious incident on a local level, this is coordinated appropriately with whatever level of needed publicity as I am sure you are aware if you followed the link I supplied earlier.
    However, much Christian giving will be of the type exemplified by Dorcas whose example is recorded at Acts 9:36. I have met Christians with this spirit in my years of serving Jehovah, and they are an inspiration to all who associate with them, not least those who benefit from their kindness. These ones don't need public notification to prompt their deeds of mercy as their eyes and hearts are alert to their fellow Christians well-being. And just as their deeds do not go unnoticed by their heavenly father (compare Acts 9:39-40), the plight of those serving Jehovah who experience material difficulties do not go unnoticed either. Compare Ps.37:25.
    I hope you now find yourself in less spiritually impoverished surroundings that that which you described in your scenario.
    This is a strange question for one apparently aware of Scriptural principles in relation to these matters? Do you have a specific circumstance in mind? And by that I mean where?, when?, who?, etc.
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    Evacuated got a reaction from Margaret Burlingham in JW Child Labor for Jehovah   
    Child Labor is a rather emotive term in this day and age don't you think??
    What we are seeing is an example of Ps.148:12-13 or Matt.21:15
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    Evacuated got a reaction from JW Insider in Voluntary Contributions   
    This is an extraordinary and tragic account despite the lack of detail. Presumably, although you don't record it, you were able to provide needed assistance to this family yourself, hopefully with the help of others whom you would have surely alerted to the situation. I would like to know what happened in connection with the woefully inadequate response of the "elders" you describe in this scenario. You must have been living in a rather deprived area, or indeed country, at that time.
    I am glad to say that such a situation just would not occur in the area in which I live. And indeed, not in any congregation with which I have been involved.....................ever!
    I have already directed you to information describing the higher level organised response to physical need in the congregation worldwide. And I am glad that arrangements on this scale are centrally coordinated by Jehovah's Witnesses organisationally, because neither I nor my local congregation could do this effectively. I am confident that the contributions to the Worlwide work are appropriately managed with due priority given to the various areas for which material resources are required. I am sure the $236 million (2015) spent on caring for the fulltime workers worldwide represents only a fraction of centrally contributed funds, to say nothing of the time and materials freely donated by all of Jehovah's people involved in such Christian activities.
    This of course does not account for money and resources that are freely given by individuals in assisting their brothers and sisters locally, should they become aware of a need in harmony with Pro.3:27. We rarely hear detail of these actions unless we are directly involved in such kind acts either as giving or receiving. And rightly so, in harmony with Jesus words at Matt.6:1-4. I could list many examples of acts of kindness to fellow Christians that I am aware of or have been a party to over the years, but these are not matters for public broadcast. And neither are the needs of those who for one reason or another fall on hard times.
    Jesus said that "you always have the poor with you". And it seems he maintained a fund which included resources to be given to the poor, of which treachorous Judas availed himself. (John 12:1-8). But nowhere in scripture do we find recorded specific examples of donations of that money to any needy individuals although examples of Jesus genorous spirit abound, such as his feeding of multitudes when necessary.
    Obviously, specific needs requiring a more organised response locally are sometimes required, such as that recorded at Acts 6:1-4; 1Cor.16:1-4; or 1Tim.5:9. And if today, such arrangements are warranted due to some serious incident on a local level, this is coordinated appropriately with whatever level of needed publicity as I am sure you are aware if you followed the link I supplied earlier.
    However, much Christian giving will be of the type exemplified by Dorcas whose example is recorded at Acts 9:36. I have met Christians with this spirit in my years of serving Jehovah, and they are an inspiration to all who associate with them, not least those who benefit from their kindness. These ones don't need public notification to prompt their deeds of mercy as their eyes and hearts are alert to their fellow Christians well-being. And just as their deeds do not go unnoticed by their heavenly father (compare Acts 9:39-40), the plight of those serving Jehovah who experience material difficulties do not go unnoticed either. Compare Ps.37:25.
    I hope you now find yourself in less spiritually impoverished surroundings that that which you described in your scenario.
    This is a strange question for one apparently aware of Scriptural principles in relation to these matters? Do you have a specific circumstance in mind? And by that I mean where?, when?, who?, etc.
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    Evacuated reacted to David Normand in JW Child Labor for Jehovah   
    Very misleading title for the article. Poor word choice in this day and age. Might be better described as young ones doing their part to help spread the Kingdom message.

     
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    Evacuated got a reaction from Queen Esther in Alexei Koptev and his wife at the gates of the courthouse in Russia   
    Thanks for posting the correct link. 
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    Evacuated got a reaction from Melinda Mills in JW Child Labor for Jehovah   
    Child Labor is a rather emotive term in this day and age don't you think??
    What we are seeing is an example of Ps.148:12-13 or Matt.21:15
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    Evacuated got a reaction from David Normand in Voluntary Contributions   
    Last Sunday for us. I am not sure what congregation you attend if that is not happening for you.
    Really, the contributions for the Worldwide work are managed by Jehovah's organisation with due attention given to relief measures where needed. And I read many reports regarding specific JW relief measures taking place in many parts of the world, in the international press, on jw.org, and even on this forum. The web page linked below is a good place to start if you want some detail.
    https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/faq/assist-with-disaster-relief/
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    Evacuated reacted to The Librarian in Peace - Can it Last?   
    Peace - Can It Last?
    Anyone know the location?
    I also noticed the "No Collection" on the placard.
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    Evacuated got a reaction from Melinda Mills in Who are declared righteous for life ?   
    I'd see it as a call from heaven to go to heaven. 1 Cor 15:48-49 etc.
    At that time they were all destined for the Grave I would have thought. Ecc. 9:5, 10.
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    Evacuated got a reaction from Melinda Mills in Voluntary Contributions   
    Last Sunday for us. I am not sure what congregation you attend if that is not happening for you.
    Really, the contributions for the Worldwide work are managed by Jehovah's organisation with due attention given to relief measures where needed. And I read many reports regarding specific JW relief measures taking place in many parts of the world, in the international press, on jw.org, and even on this forum. The web page linked below is a good place to start if you want some detail.
    https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/faq/assist-with-disaster-relief/
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    Evacuated got a reaction from Elisabeth Dolewka in What Does the Bible Say About Christmas ??   
    Straight answer?  Specifically.....nothing!
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    Evacuated got a reaction from Anna in Who are declared righteous for life ?   
    I understand Ph.2:9-11 to indicate that every intelligent creation will be subject to Christ. 
    As Ps 37:29 speaks of righteous ones living forever on earth, so this constitutes one destiny.
    Obviously, a heavenly hope is held out in the Scripture also (Heb.3:1), so this relates to the other destiny. 
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    Evacuated got a reaction from Ann O'Maly in Who are declared righteous for life ?   
    You're right. I didn't connect them. Sorry!  
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    Evacuated got a reaction from Ann O'Maly in What Does the Bible Say About Christmas ??   
    Straight answer?  Specifically.....nothing!
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    Evacuated reacted to Carol Ann Torres in JW Child Labor for Jehovah   
    It is very good for the young ones to get involved. shows that they are part of the congrgation
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    Evacuated got a reaction from David Normand in JW Child Labor for Jehovah   
    Child Labor is a rather emotive term in this day and age don't you think??
    What we are seeing is an example of Ps.148:12-13 or Matt.21:15
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    Evacuated got a reaction from Melinda Mills in Who are declared righteous for life ?   
    Just keep looking. Pray for God's spirit. He will help you if you are sincere.
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    Evacuated got a reaction from Melinda Mills in Who are declared righteous for life ?   
    Whilst illuminating, these discussions are disappointing as to the spirit they show existed both amongst certain witnesses in the past and those who inherit their legacy.
    Jesus had no objection to submitting to water baptism by imperfect, unworthy John the Baptizer in order to "carry out all that is righteous". Matt.3:13-15. No clergy-laity hocus pocus existed there.
    Why would anyone object to being brought to righteousness by someone else as described at Dan.12:3? 
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    Evacuated got a reaction from SuzA in A new name. Gods Kingdom Rules.   
    "Apparently" is a subjective term, and rightly so.
    Actually, what Jehovah minds and what Jehovah allows are two very different things are they not?. Compare Rom.9:22.
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