Peter Carroll

Lovely
Lovely! I saw this item in the news quite a while back.  Lions teach their children to hunt.  Predator mammals are usually taught by parents to hunt. 
I have seen videos of lionesses protecting the baby of their prey when the male lions want to hunt it.  Of course they eventually die from malnutrition and weakness and are eaten.

…. There was a girl in India born with six arms, and worshipped as a goddess.
Stuff Happens ….
but not that often.
 

……sigh …..
You REALLY need a hobby.

Thank you dear! The JW article puts it in a slightly later time but is very well balanced.  It also incorporates some of the information (link)  presented by Mr. LIN. Whenever there is a dispute about anything I always find that the GB is spot on and gives the best explanation!  I am impressed.  Detractors take note!  This article indicates the research which goes into each article.... and the commentary cannot be faulted. 

The video is about YAHWEH. Try to stay on topic. 

@Patiently waiting for Truth This is your thread to tell the world what you think of JW.org.
Please leave other subjects threads alone (stick to the topic at hand)
I'm surprised you don't get tired of spouting off the hatred daily...  
If you feel a certain way... make your post and add any additional thoughts to it.... don't twist every other topic to somehow relate to your hatred of a certain religion.
 
@Peter Carroll Chill on the website spamming please. We all already know where to find Jehovah's witnesses... @ jw.org   your spam is not helping us look any better. (especially on every single thread you touch).
 
Share ideas, thoughts and opinions..... not websites.
 

CURRENCY and FAMILIARITY = MAN MADE TRADITION 
CUSTOM = man made tradition.  
And then JW org / GB / Watchtower, pretend to be 'no part of this world' SO WHY FOLLOW TRADITIONS OF MEN.
we have retained the form "Jehovah" because of people's familiarity = MAN MADE TRADITION, or worse.
Moreover, it preserves, equally with other forms, the four letters of the tetragrammaton JHVH.
Now I was taught by JWs that YHWH was the four letters of the tetragrammaton.
So one of them has to be a lie. 
And all the time they admit that 
While inclining to view the pronunciation "Yah-weh'"  as the more correct way,
 

Larry Graham introduced Prince to the Jehovah's Witness religion. Larry played bass for Sly & the Family Stone from 1967-1972. He then formed his own band "Graham Central Station". He was baptized as one of Jehovah's Witnesses in 1975.

And still these pretend Christians sing the same old song, lies. 
Mr Caroll still spouting the same old lies about God's name, and still serving the Org. 
Arauna saying that is it Yehovah but still using Jehovah.
Mr Rando coming up with many different names on his comments, but still thinks it's Jehovah.
BUT it's still YHWH, and His son Yeshua. 
And look at that book stand in above comment. Do you see one Bible on offer ? NO. What you see on that stand is the words of men. JWs are just puppets offering the words of their GB. 
And the orgs logo, JW org. They have reduced the name of their god to just one letter, 'J'. 
Isn't that an insult ?
Who do your serve ? JW Org. Who do you serve ? JW Org. Who do you serve ? JW Org. 
Who should you serve ? YHWH through Yeshua. 

I have put a scholarly analyses of  how the Hebrew language works. I have shown that the name of jehovah  itself is a rare form of Hollow verb and does NOT have the meaning of  destruction -  unless you are a babe in Hebrew language you would think so. .... similar to ass-ume does not mean " ass" to someone who knows  English.
I have also shown that destruction in some cases is permanent and sometimes it is not - depending on whether jehovah or Jesus has passed a righteous judgment on the person.  I also showed that the wicked can destroy a person but it is also not permanent - depending on a resurrection.
So when one clings to the false ideas of destruction.... it is wrong.  Jehovah needs to judge the apostates even when we can see they have clear case of unrepentant sin and regularly  spew their falsehoods about the name of jehovah and about Jehovah Himself. 

See also: Jehovah
To potential commentators: Please note this topic thread is not to be about the pronunciation differences of opinion on Yahweh, YHWH, Jehovah, Jave, Jehova etc... for that please comment here
 

I've never seen so many pathetic JWs as there are on here.
All acting like children in the playground. All singing the same song.
"You are apostates, you serve satan" The JWs sing it over and over again. 
No real answers so they sing this silly song. 
Then, instead of giving praise to GOD through Christ,
They give praise to the JW org.  So who really are the apostates ? 
Who really have turned their attention away from YHWH and Yeshua, and are now serving an organisation ?  
It is you that need to be careful. 
 

James: 1
12 There is only one Lawgiver and Judge, the one who is able to save and destroy. But you—who are you to judge your neighbor?
The destruction of any human is only righteously due (from the viewpoint of Jehovah or his Son, who will judge the sheep and goats at time of the end). Jesus has been given the right to resurrect humans - so even if Satan or his associates have in some unrighteous way put someone to death (destroyed him so that his body decays, has a destructive process in the grave), it is not everlasting destruction or spiritual destruction, when the person is resurrected by Jesus. 
Many of those who were destroyed by Jehovah are not in Gehenna but in Sheol. Take as an example Dathan and Abiram. Moses wrote that the earth opened up and they went down "alive into sheol". Numbers 16:31 and 33. The Assyrians also went into sheol. Ezekiel 32: 21 an 22. So, not all destruction by God is necessarily eternal.
On the other hand all deliberate blasphemers will go to Gehenna - everlasting destruction / oblivion.
Everlasting destruction is righteous when Jesus leaves someone in death forever - Gehenna.  The wicked angels and Judas have been judged to go into Gehenna.   There is an unrighteous destruction  and a righteously judged destruction.  Adam went straight into the second death did he not?  The Canaanites were so wicked that archeologists wonder why god did not destroy them sooner..... but Jehovah used another nation as his tool to destroy them.  He also did this to Juda when their wickedness was so great - Babylon became the executioner.
Jesus is the image of his father.  While he is love (like his father) he is also destruction to those who disobey the father.  Revelation 19: at war of Armageddon he will act as a destroyer of all those who have morally and physically ruined the earth and sided with the enemies of Jehovah. 
rev 19:19 + 20 "And I saw the wild beast and the kings of the earth and their armies gathered together to wage war against the one seated on the horse and against his army. 20  And the wild beast was caught, and along with it the false prophet that performed in front of it the signs with which he misled those who received the mark of the wild beasti and those who worship its image. While still alive, they both were hurled into the fiery lake that burns with sulfur."
Jehu was anointed and given command to destroy the house of Ahab, so he was not blood guilty for following the command of Jehovah.
Jehovah has a purpose to destroy the entire world of wicked people at Armageddon and the executioner is Christ, riding on his white horse symbolizing righteous warfare. Just like in the flood, the earth will be cleansed. Unfortunately at this point in time people do not fear Jehovah as they should and go on eating and drinking and paying Him no attention.
I think there is more than enough evidence that Jehovah can destroy and Jesus can destroy ..... but they do this when someone has been righteously judged.  Not in all cases is It necessarily everlasting destruction, except at Armageddon.. 
Revelation 20: 1 - 3 clearly indicates that an angel of Jehovah has the key to the abyss. 
 

This is what John 10:10 says:
10  The thief does not come unless it is to steal and slay and destroy. I have come that they may have life and have it in abundance. 

We have to be mindful when using certain words, especially when using a lexicon.
Take for instance the word Abbadon. We can see it is linked to destroyer. However, can the word "destroyer" actually be applied to an intent. Instead, we would have to think of the proper intention as "destruction" or "ruin."
There are many ways to express it without damaging the context.
ABADDON [Heb ˒ăbaddôn ( אֲבַדֹּון )]. Derived from Heb ˒ābad, ―became lost,’’ ―be ruined, Destroyed, ”perish,” Abaddon has a variety of nuanced meanings.
A poetic synonym for the abode of the dead, meaning ―Destruction,‖ or ― (the place of) destruction.’’ Abaddon occurs in parallel and in conjunction with Sheol (Job 26:6 and Prov 15:11; 27:20). It is also found in conjunction with Death (Job 28:22) and in parallel with the grave (Ps 88:12—Eng 88:11).
Although a place of mystery which is hidden from human eyes, Abaddon is clearly known by God (Job 26:6; Prov 15:11). It is twice personified: (1) along with Death, it speaks (Job 28:22); and (2) along with Sheol, it is insatiable (Prov 27:20). It is also remote: in Job 31:12, adultery becomes ―a fire that consumes unto [as far as] Abaddon.” See also DEAD, ABODE OF THE.
In Rev 9:11, the word ―Abaddon‖ is personified as ―the angel of the bottomless pit.‖ It is also identified as the king of the demonic ―locusts‖ described in Rev 9:3, 7–10, and is explained for Greek-speaking readers as Apollyon (Gk apollyōn), “destroyer.” The LXX usually translates Heb ˒abaddon as Gk apōleia, ―destruction‖; the Vg renders it as Latin
perditio, ―ruin, destruction‖ (whence Eng ―perdition, ‖ which ordinarily means “hell”); in Syr (Peshitta), the cognate word means ―destruction, ‖ and is sometimes used in the Psalms to render ―the Pit, ‖ which is another OT synonym of Sheol. In rabbinic literature, the word has come to mean the place of punishment reserved for the wicked.
Current English versions render this word variously in the OT: “Abaddon,” ―Destruction/destruction, ‖ “he place of destruction,” ―Perdition/perdition, ‖ ―the abyss, ‖ ―the world of the dead.‖ In the single NT occurrence, the word is consistently transliterated as ―Abaddon.‖ HERBERT G. GRETHER
Then, according to the bible, Jesus will cause the destruction of all evil on earth, and will ruin Satan in the process. Some Bible dictionaries have a simple notation. This is why, the best evidence is a complete descriptive. Then we can see the word "destroyer" is not being used in its proper syntax.
The word "destroyer" alone has an evil intent. That's not Christ. Jesus intent is to purify the earth again from evil, as God the father intended.

So you are saying that a person that goes to investigate the original manuscripts, this person has to be anointed to be able to distinguish the spelling of the Name of god?  Only the true anointed can understand this?  
I will not ask any further questions because then I will just expose you.  I think you have humiliated yourself enough!

Claiming JESUS never use God's Name JEHOVAH is a false and hyprocitical statement. Just  calling the Messiah JESUS, gives WITNESS to his God and Father JEHOVAH.
Also, when you quote scripture from Bible Books from writers with Names to bear WITNESS to JEHOVAH, you are only calling JUDGEMENT to YOURSELF.  And that is a good thing due to the timing of things that the Last Days are coming to thier end .
 
יהוה הוא האל ואביו של אדוננו ישוע.  

"Babylon was a gold cup in the LORD’s hand; she made the whole earth drunk. The nations drank her wine; therefore they have now gone mad "  Jer 51:7
"And the woman you saw is the great city that has royal power over the kings of the earth.”
Jesus' "kings of the earth" - Rev 1:5
"The kings of the earth (Rev 1:5) committed sexual immorality with her, and those who live on the earth became drunk on the wine of her sexual immorality.”  Rev 17:2
You are spiritually "drunk" on the wicked slave/harlot's wine.  I'm very sorry you can't see my point.  
Then I heard another voice from heaven:
"Come out of her, my people,
so that you will not share in her sins
or receive any of her plagues.
5 For her sins are piled up to heaven,
and God has remembered her crimes.
6 Pay her back the way she also paid,
and double it according to her works.
In the cup in which she mixed,
mix a double portion for her.
7 As much as she glorified herself and indulged her sensual and excessive ways,
give her that much torment and grief.
For she says in her heart,
“I sit as a queen;
I am not a widow,
and I will never see grief.”
8 For this reason her plagues will come in just one day—
death and grief and famine.
She will be burned up with fire,
because the Lord God who judges her is mighty."  Rev 18:4
As a review - who do the "kings of the earth" refer to? 
Are they the world's political leaders?
Or, are theY Jesus' kings that Revelation is speaking about?
The clue is here: REV 1:5, and here: REV 18:4
 
 
 

Now the commentator quotes a text that has entirely removed God's Name...  she is drunk and wobbling and stumbling... here here have another drink... lol  
 
Babylon has been a golden cup in the hand of Jehovah; She made all the earth drunk. From her wine the nations have drunk; That is why the nations have gone mad. 
 

Caught you by your hoof.  Now tell the Fourm why you don't beleive in Jesus since his name means 'Jehovah is Salvation'
 
I am sending an angel ahead of youw to guard you on the way and to bring you into the place that I have prepared.x 21  Pay attention to him, and obey his voice. Do not rebel against him, for he will not pardon your transgressions,y because my name is in him.

You do not call him Jesus but always you write Yeshua - which is a bit affectatious.... but we leave it at that.  You also refuse to call the god of the bible, Jehovah. 

If this is true, commentator, why continue your hostility if you have peace of mind? Your personal action of down voting facts as described by many bible writers and experts indicate, you only believe what your hate dictates. That's not healthy in any case.
Sorry if the truth hurts your feelings. Perhaps this bible forum isn't suited for your kind of hate. You are making it personal and taking it personally. I to feel that way at times. This is why, I noted that in a previous post, perhaps it's time for me to find a better bible forum.
It appears hate runs both ways and the show here. If that's the case, I don't need Satan to control my life.

Perfect people can be deceived....  which was the case in the Garden of Eden...  
Jehovah God then said to the woman: “What is this you have done?” The woman replied: “The serpent deceived me, so I ate.”
The Cult of Pearl Doxey is a Ministry of Deception...  she never got anything correct.... and so does this commentor who tries to spin scripture to mean something other than what is stated...
She makes the false claim that there is no 1,000 years, then quotes the scripture, "Now as soon as the 1,000 years have ended, Satan will be released from his prison," (Rev 20:7)

We can see, that the Org is not the only one making sense of the bible.
All things in the Bible 2006
Jesus also quoted many of the prophets in his references to the Day of the Lord, emphasizing that he was continuing the well-known tradition. Both Hebrew and Christian apocalyptic literature have references to the Day of the Lord or Judgment Day. As noted, the prophets looked forward to that time when God will come in judgment, the final battle against the forces of evil—“Israel’s final combat with the combined forces of the heathen nations under the leadership of Gog and Magog, barbarian tribes of the North” (Ezek. 38–39). “Assembled for a fierce attack upon Israel in the mountains near Jerusalem, they will suffer a terrible and crushing defeat, and Israel’s land will thenceforth forever remain the seat of God’s kingdom” (Kaufmann Kohler 2004). This final cataclysmic scene of Armageddon will end with the defeat of the heathen nations forever, and God’s kingdom will be established on earth. According to the New Testament writers, the New Jerusalem will be a city that needed no temple, for God himself will dwell in it. p.165
Aside from making a few adjustments to the wording like "Israel" to "Spiritual Israel" and the "barbarian tribes of the north" to "all nations" then we have confidence, the Org is interpreting the bible correctly. 

I have preached this many times when I have reached this teaching  stage of  discussion regarding Jehovahs purpose and justice.... because it shows the LOGIC of Jehovah (every aspect of his actions have been well planned. ........Having the foresight to plan to test all "perfect" humans like he did Adam.   Him having the foresight to rule humankind in complete justice and remove those with an incomplete heart.   At the end of thousand years jehovah will test each perfect person, just like he did Adam....... as a perfect human being they will have the wonderful  opportunity to prove their faithfulness.
The bible itself shows that jehovah will release the demons again and an indeterminable number of people (like sand of the sea), will rebel ( like Adam did)......or in greater numbers and with similar intent  as Gog and Magog  -  to disrupt Godly rulership.... but Jehovah has proven that humans cannot rule the earth successfully - so they will go straight to second death.... by their own "perfect" choice. 
 
I see your point too! But we cannot be covering  all "possible scholarly arguments" when talking to people about Jehovahs' purposes.  Jesus is a good example to us. He knew the pharisees were argumentative and likely to divert attention from his message when they put themselves amongst the people.  
Consequently, he knew their bad intent, so he only answered them when the ordinary people, who were genuinely interested, could benefit from his reply to the learned pharisees. 
I have already preached to a group of Muslims where they all keep on listening ... despite the fact that one person is saying out loud that I am a false prophet.  If they want to listen .... they will listen and go and think about it! 
We preach to those who want to listen and to those whom jehovah is drawing to Himself.  We are not better than Jesus are we? We know that very few rich and powerful individuals listened to Jesus.  They did not need him.... they wanted to destroy him.