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  1. I believe this only makes sense from a human perspective. Is Jesus flawed? Is he not Truth? “I am the Way, the Truth, the Life” John 14:6 If he is Truth, would anything coming from Christ be flawed or half-truth, or imperfect, or misleading? All that Jesus has, and is, comes from God. “I and the Father are one.” John 10:30 Is God flawed? “He is the Rock, his works are perfect, and all his ways are just. A faithful God who does no wrong, upright and just is he.” Deut 32:4 “Every good and perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of the heavenly lights, who does not change like shifting shadows.” James 1:17 The scriptures give us the answer; men make excuses to cover the motives behind their actions. “For I know this, that after my departure SAVAGE WOLVES WILL COME IN AMONG YOU, not sparing the flock.” We can see that these appear among the congregations, AND ARE ANOINTED ONES as verse 30 shows: Also FROM AMONG YOURSELVES men will rise up, speaking perverse things, TO DRAW AWAY THE DISCIPLES AFTER THEMSELVES. Therefore watch, and remember that for three years I did not cease to warn everyone night and day with tears.” Acts 20:29-31 As Witnesses try to juggle with the above two conflicting statements, 2 Cor 11:3,4 sheds light on where JWs place their devotion, which undoubtedly is the GB and the organization. “But I am afraid that just as Eve was deceived by the serpent’s cunning, your minds may somehow be led astray from your sincere and pure devotion to Christ. For if someone comes to you and preaches a Jesus other than the Jesus we preached, or if you receive a different spirit from the Spirit you received, or a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it easily enough." By the GB stating that Jesus didn’t promise perfect spiritual food, they are preaching a Jesus other than the Jesus preached by the apostles, thus drawing away, those who accept the GB’s flawed teaching, to follow “after themselves”. Jehovah’s Witnesses, why do you put up with it? Rely on the scriptures, Anna, not on man's excuses. Isa 2:22 The rest of John 14:6 – “No one comes to the Father except through me.” WOLVES IN SHEEP'S COVERING: http://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/…/wolves-in-sheep…
  2. From the Watchtower 02 8/1 pp. 9-14 – “APPOINTED ELDERS REPRESENT THE ROYAL PRIESTHOOD" "Now the beast which I saw was like a leopard, his feet were like the feet of a bear, and his mouth like the mouth of a lion. The dragon gave him his power, his throne, and great authority." Rev 13:2 "Then he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme His name, His tabernacle, and those who dwell in heaven." "It was granted to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them. And authority was given him over every tribe,tongue, and nation." Rev 13:6,7 This is the DISGUSTING THING STANDING IN A HOLY PLACE, MATT 24:15 http://pearl-disgustingthing.blogspot.com/
  3. There is a genuine humility expressed through the desire to serve the Father with one’s heart, mind and soul; and there is a lowly fear from oppression by those who threaten any to stand up to the GB’s teachings. Also, it is easy to hear and accept that remaining in the organization will bring “security”, and will bring one “peace of mind”. 1 Thess 5:1-3 Could that be interpreted as pride? Certainly, even the most humble appearing person could harbor a prideful view by choosing a sense of security offered by a fortress built by men. How does that challenge one’s faith? The challenge to one’s faith is through a full submission to God and one’s Master, Jesus Christ; God, who is our only fortress. Ps 18:2 (Dan 11:38) Anointed ones who choose to remain in the organization are either fearful or prideful – both require a selfish disposition and displays one’s lack of love for Christ, who bought them “at a price”. “You were bought at a price; do not become slaves of men.” 1 Cor 7:23 So, yes, I have a “problem” that my brothers and sisters in Christ have chosen what men say over scripture. The GB has miserably failed to teach of the love among members of the Body of Christ. John 13:34,35 They easily disfellowship (“kill”) those who question their actions. 1 John 3:10,12; Rev 13:15 Because of the continual wariness made concerning one’s anointing within Watchtower pages, many out of fear, no longer ‘partake’ at the Memorial. This is oppression, Anna, by a “wicked slave” who beats his fellow slaves – not literally, but through emotional abuse and lies. Matt 24:48-51 “Feeding many at the hands of a few”. This is such catchy man-made phrase, and I expected it to be brought up. When Jesus told his disciples to “feed my sheep, it was to the foundation of the Temple, and they were few in number. When Pentacost happened, many more joined, in fact this “temple” building has been going on since the apostles. Each priest is to “feed my sheep.” Eph 2:19-22 – “Now, therefore, you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief cornerstone, in whom the whole building, being fitted together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord, in whom you also are being built together for a dwelling place of God in the Spirit.” All who comprise this Temple are a “dwelling place of God in the Spirit”. All have the ability, whether they know it or not, to to provide his people with instruction and spiritual direction as the 2002 Wt brings out. In ancient Israel, this is how God’s priesthood served the people, interceding on their behalf, as well as teaching. Mal 2:7; Deut. 24:8; 33:10; 2 Chron 35:3; Neh 8:7 Since the early temple was a “copy and a shadow” of the heavenly, would their role to serve and teach be any different today with Christ as our High Priest? Heb 8:5 “Now you are the body of Christ, and members individually. And God has appointed these in the church: first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, administrations, varieties of tongues. Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Are all workers of miracles? Do all have gifts of healings? Do all speak with tongues? Do all interpret? But earnestly desire the best (greater) gifts. And yet I show you a more excellent way.” 1 Cor 12:27-29 “And He Himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers, for the equipping of the saints for the work of ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ” Eph 4:11,12 All anointed ones are to provide spiritual food as they are blessed by Holy Spirit through their entire oneness in Christ. Among the Body, the anointing alone gives knowledge, yet even more so when the Body is a whole. “But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and you know all things. I have not written to you because you do not know the truth, but because you know it, and that no lie is of the truth.” 1 John 2:20 So, why are so many anointed ones becoming squeamish within the organization? And why are there those who speak up to defend their God in the face of an elder body, like myself? If God’s spirit is within each anointed heart, those who choose to listen to the Helper, will realize ‘the truth’. John 14:26 Either they act upon it, or choose to remain hidden. “But the anointing which you have received from Him abides in you, and you do not need that anyone teach you; but as the same anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true, and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you will abide in Him.” 1 John 2:27 John also speaks of those who will deceive anointed ones, a deception that can destroy this relationship with Christ and the Father – “Therefore let that abide in you which you heard from the beginning. If what you heard from the beginning abides in you, you also will abide in the Son and in the Father.” 1 John 2: “These things I have written to you concerning those who try to deceive you.” 1 John 2:26 Obviously, within the organization, it is quite impossible for the Body of Christ to come together. Truly, they are scattered among ‘nations’. Thus says the Lord God: “When I have gathered the house of Israel from the peoples among whom they are scattered, and am hallowed in them in the sight of the Gentiles, then they will dwell in their own land which I gave to My servant Jacob.” Ezek 28:25 Why, then, is there a Watchtower organization where anointed ones reside? “And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie” 2 Thess 2:11 “The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders” 2 Thess 2:9 As 1 John 2:26 said, there would be those who will deceive the anointed ones. Christ’s Temple priests are supplanted by an elder body that has “set itself up” within God’s Temple, trampling them into submission. Dan 8:11; 2 Thess 2:3,4; Ezek 44:6,8; 2 Chron 13:9; Mark 13:14; 1 Cor 3:16 It is an “operation of error” coming through a “false prophet”, a fallen star (anointed one) - and based on lies and delusion. Rev 13:11,15; 19:20; 8:10,11; 9:1-3,10; 12:15; 16:13,14; 1 Tim 4:1; Gen 3:15 Anointed ones are to speak as one in truth - in Christ. Truth is pure, and based on scripture, not based on man’s desire of dominance. John 13:14-17 “We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ.” 2 Cor 10:5 "Operation of Error" http://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2014/06/operation-of-error.html
  4. Firstly, sorry for meshing John 14:26 with Dan 8:23-25 The option to edit seems to disappears once a post has been around awhile. The Watchtower consistently presents both truth and lies to the sheep, then reinforces the lie. Compare: From the Watchtower 02/8/1 pp. 9-14 “Who make up this royal priesthood today? The apostle Peter answers that question in his first inspired letter. To anointed members of the body of Christ, Peter wrote: “You are ‘a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for special possession, that you should declare abroad the excellencies’ of the one that called you out of darkness into his wonderful light.” (1 Peter 2:9) From these words it is clear that, as a group, the anointed footstep followers of Jesus make up this “royal priesthood,” which Peter also called “a holy nation.” THEY constitute the channel that Jehovah uses to provide his people with instruction and spiritual direction.—Matthew 24:45-47. Are those words put in practice? “ Jesus has appointed the ‘faithful slave’ to be the only channel for dispensing spiritual food.” w16 November pp. 14-18 So which is it? All or just a few who are the channel Jesus uses? Obviously, it is believed to be the latter. Many, many anointed ones have written letters to the GB expressing their understanding of scripture. The GB trash these letters, refusing to recognize “the channel that Jehovah uses to provide his people with instruction and spiritual direction” At the consent of the GB, many are disfellowshipped by the Body of Elders for disagreeing with the GB’s direction. Rev 13:15 The only way to receive spiritual food from Christ is through Holy Spirit, as part of the vine. John 15:4,5 - "Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in Me. “I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much fruit; for without Me you can do nothing." Wouldn’t this necessitate receiving more Holy Spirit to understand Christ’s direction? Can you imagine that if the Body of Christ was working together, complete in Christ as a finished Temple, how blessed all God’s people would be with understanding? Rev 22:1-3 This will occur, when the Kingdom arrives. For now, many do have spiritual understanding, but not under a hard-hearted leadership that refuses to recognize the necessity of God’s Temple. Rev 3:20; Mark 11:24; Rev 11:2; Luke 21:24; Isa 1:12 In the organization, since there is no unity within the Body of Christ, and the GB refuses to acknowledge their own brothers in Christ as part of the true vine, the GB will continue to err, out of the hardness of their heart. Acts 7:51; Jer 7:23-26 Without Christ, without Holy Spirit directing them, they can do nothing.
  5. Now when He had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each having a harp, and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints. And they sang a new song, saying: “You are worthy to take the scroll, And to open its seals; For You were slain, And have redeemed us to God by Your blood Out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation, 10 And have made us kings and priests to our God; And we shall reign on the earth.” Rev 5:8-10 So, what’s going on? The Watchtower is blurring the identity of God’s chosen “kings and priests” with all “elders”. Wt 16/1 pp. 20-26, par 6 – “So anointed ones do not think that they are better than others. They know that Jehovah does not necessarily give anointed ones more holy spirit than he gives his other servants. And they do not feel that they can understand Bible truths more deeply than anyone else.” Soon, the anointed ones will be faceless. Dan 8:23-25 –But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you. “In the latter part of their reign, when rebels have become completely wicked, a fierce-looking king, a master of intrigue, will arise. He will become very strong, but not by his own power. He will cause astounding devastation and will succeed in whatever he does. He will destroy those who are mighty, the holy people. He will cause deceit to prosper, and he will consider himself superior. When they feel secure, he will destroy many and take his stand against the Prince of princes. Yet he will be destroyed, but not by human power. Dan 12:7 - "The man clothed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, lifted his right hand and his left hand toward heaven, and I heard him swear by him who lives forever, saying, "It will be for a time, times and half a time. When the power of the holy people has been finally broken, all these things will be completed." “…they do not feel that they can understand Bible truths more deeply than anyone else”...excluding the Governing Body. "You did not choose Me but I chose you, and appointed you that you would go and bear fruit, and that your fruit would remain, so that whatever you ask of the Father in My name He may give to you." John 15:16 "But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for God’s own possession, so that you may proclaim the excellencies of Him who has called you out of darkness into His marvelous light" 1 Pet 2:9 "I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever; that is the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not see Him or know Him, but you know Him because He abides with you and will be in you." John 14:16,17 "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you." John 14:26 "When Do the Anointed Become Kings?" http://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2016/06/when-do-anointed-become-kings_17.html
  6. So, we should take the hypocrisy of the Watchtower leaders with a grain of salt! If it was such a well known knowledge, pray tell, why were so many articles on it written in the newspaper as a hidden fact finally exposed? You must be savvy toward all of the Watchtower's underhanded ploys, but the majority of the sheep are just doing what they are told - obeying tricky leaders. "No, the UN is not a blessing, even though the religious clergy of Christendom and the rabbis of Jewry pray heaven’s blessing upon that organization. It is really “the image of the wild beast,” the visible political, commercial organization of “the god of this system of things,” Satan the Devil. So the UN will soon be destroyed along with that beastly organization." Watchtower 1984 Sep 15 p.15 Matt 12:26 You, sir, show no care for God’s people any more than the major leaders of the organization. What a crooked road the Watchtower has placed before God’s anointed ones and all sheep. Hab 1:4; Luke 3:4 Satan’s Throne - http://pearl-satansthrone.blogspot.com/ I have nothing more to say to you.
  7. "Just?" You may have answered in haste. Look at this pitiful statement again, remembering that the person dedicating his life will never make such a decision ever again. What do you see wrong with this question? I see two things, one that the Holy Spirit is not even mentioned; two, our dedication to Christ is barely visible in these words. Notice what the "wordier" versions asks: And have you acknowledged that this salvation proceeds from him and through his ransomer, Christ Jesus? On the basis of this faith in God and in his provision for redemption have you dedicated yourself unreservedly to Jehovah God, to do his will henceforth as that will is revealed to you through Christ Jesus and through God's Word as his holy spirit makes it plain? The question above is a shameful mockery made to God, Christ and his Holy Spirit.
  8. Wt 1966 10/1 pp 603-4 "We do not dedicate ourselves to a religion, nor to a man, nor to an organization. No, we dedicate ourselves to the Supreme Sovereign of the Universe, our Creator, Jehovah God himself. This makes dedication a very personal relationship between us and Jehovah." Even though this quote is in harmony with your words, is it true? Jehovah’s Witnesses say they are “dedicated” to doing God’s will, which includes every necessary item on the list of running an organization. This is their dedication; without such dedication, salvation apparently cannot be achieved as the below statement clarifies: "Bible students need to get acquainted with the organization of the “one flock” Jesus spoke about at John 10:16. They must appreciate that identifying themselves with Jehovah’s organization is essential to their salvation. (Rev. 7:9, 10, 15) Therefore, we should start directing our Bible students to the organization as soon as a Bible study is established." KM 11/’90 p 1 For Anna also: "A Christian, therefore, cannot be baptized in the name of the one actually doing the immersing or in the name of any man, nor in the name of any organization, but in the name of the Father, the Son and the holy spirit." Watchtower 1955 Jul 1 p.411 Yet, this is exactly what they do. Unless you are there at each baptism to warn people NOT to dedicate themselves to an earthly organization, when they agree to accept the identifying mark as a Jehovah’s Witness, they will; and in doing so, are committing idolatry. This is jeopardizing the salvation of millions; not building a congregation up, but tearing it down. The organization becomes the idol necessary to receive salvation. Dedication is a commitment of faith, a trust in something. One valuable lesson we learn is that we need to trust God’s organization. bt chap. 13 pp. 101-107 “But those who trust in idols, who say to images, 'You are our gods,' will be turned back in utter shame” Isa 42:17 “The God who made the world and everything in it, being Lord of heaven and earth, does not live in temples made by man nor is he served by human hands, as though he needed anything, since he himself gives to all mankind life and breath and everything.” Acts 17;24,25 The need of legal protection for an organization, foregoes one’s ability to commit themselves whole souled to God and Christ. We are to be no part of the world just as Christ was no part of the world. John 15:19 Mark of the Beast http://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2013/05/mark-of-beast.html
  9. JWI - “The "apostasy of 1980-1983" became a catalyst to finally adding the reference to a specific organization into the "formula." When I was baptized, this was not included, and the Watchtower had even explained why it should not be included.” Here is an example of why: “Jehovah is the giver of life. "For with you is the source of life." (Ps. 36:9) We cannot keep everlasting life in view without staying close to Jehovah, the source of life.... This is what we mean when we dedicate our lives to Jehovah. We do not dedicate ourselves to a religion, nor to a man, nor to an organization. No, we dedicated ourselves to the Supreme Sovereign of the Universe, our Creator, Jehovah God himself. This makes dedication a very personal relationship between us and Jehovah.” WT 10/1/66 pp. 603,4 Having answered yes to these questions, candidates are in a right heart condition to undergo Christian baptism." With this inclusion for legal purposes (a fact I agree on), the statement is being made that one is not a Christian unless one agrees to both questions. This plays out in Anna’s comment: This question is merely an auxiliary question and is self explanatory. It is similar to asking if you identify yourself as a Christian. A “doctrine of men” has infiltrated our commitment and desire to be spiritually cleansed through the Word of God – our only guide. Mark 7:7; Gal 1:10 John 17:17 - Sanctify them in the truth; your word is truth. 1 Cor 6:11 - And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God. Baptism questions prior to 1985 - 5/15/70 Wt p. 309 Have you recognized yourself as a sinner and needing salvation from Jehovah God? And have you acknowledged that this salvation proceeds from him and through his ransomer, Christ Jesus? On the basis of this faith in God and in his provision for redemption have you dedicated yourself unreservedly to Jehovah God, to do his will henceforth as that will is revealed to you through Christ Jesus and through God's Word as his holy spirit makes it plain? This, Anna, is an example of baptizing in the “name of the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Spirit”.
  10. Just curious, if the woman had been white, would you have said, "a big disheveled, super-friendly and warm, white woman sitting on her wheeled walker.....? Not likely? There are plenty of those also. Why do we make this distinction?
  11. Anna's words: “I suppose if someone wanted to go back on their dedication, and no longer wanting to be identified as one of Jehovah's Witnesses…” You revealed the problem. Is the baptism exercised by the organization “from heaven, or from men”? Matt 21:25 “Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.” Amen.” Matt 28:19,20 Baptize In the name of these three - the Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit. Is this what the organization does? "On the basis of the sacrifice of Jesus Christ, have you repented of your sins and dedicated yourself to Jehovah to do his will?" "Do you understand that your dedication and baptism identify you as one of Jehovah's Witnesses in association with God's spirit-directed organization?" Having answered yes to these questions, candidates are in a right heart condition to undergo Christian baptism." Surely, this is a baptism from men. “Brothers, I have applied all this to Apollos and myself for your benefit, so that you may learn from us not to go beyond what the Scriptures say. Then you will stop boasting about one person at the expense of another.” 1 Cor 4:6 “But even if we or an angel from heaven should proclaim to you a gospel contrary to what we proclaimed to you, let that person be condemned! What we have told you in the past I am now telling you again: If anyone proclaims to you a gospel contrary to what you received, let that person be condemned!” Gal 1:8,9 Are the above baptism questions “teaching” those to be baptized, observance toward all the things that Christ commanded us? No. How valid, then, is a baptism performed by the organization today?
  12. it-2 pp. 548-551 “The apostle John had a vision of Jehovah’s throne in heaven, surrounded by 24 lesser thrones upon which were seated 24 elders dressed in white outer garments and having golden crowns upon their heads. (Re 4:1-4) As the vision continued, John saw the 24 elders not only repeatedly falling down in worship before Jehovah’s throne but also taking part in the various features of the vision as it progressed. (Re 4:9-11; 5:4-14; 7:9-17; 14:3;19:4) Especially were they observed joining in the Kingdom proclamation to the effect that Jehovah had taken up his great power and had begun to rule as king.—Re 11:15-18. In ancient Israel, “older men [elders] of Israel” represented and spoke for the entire nation. (Ex 3:16; 19:7) In the same way “elders” may stand for, or represent, the entire congregation of spiritual Israel. Therefore, the 24 elders seated on thrones about God might well represent the entire body of anointed Christians who, proving faithful till death, receive the promised reward of a heavenly resurrection and thrones near that of Jehovah. (Re 3:21) The number 24 is also significant, for this was the number of the divisions into which King David organized the priests to serve at Jerusalem’s temple. The anointed Christians are to be “a royal priesthood.”—1Pe 2:9; 1Ch 24:1-19; Lu 1:5-23, 57-66; Re 20:6; see OVERSEER.” Isn’t the IT book one that will no longer be available? By the Watchtower’s recent obscurity over the identity of the 24 elders, it is another display of the “trampling” of God’s Temple priests. Dan 11:31; 8:10,13; Matt 24:15; 2 Cor 11:20; Isa 5:13;Jer 5:26; Luke 21:24; Rev 13:10; 12:17,11 The 24 elders, the 144,000, along with the Lamb are symbolic details of God’s administration that brings salvation to mankind. Heb 12:22-24,28,29; Eph 2:6,7 If the Wt teaches truth, why would such a hazy generalization be made of the “24 elders” today, and contrary to the IT book’s words? Shouldn’t the GB, anointed ones, understand the importance of this? Shouldn’t they realize that the completed Temple in Christ is vital for the Kingdom to commence? 2 Cor 11:13 Or does the powerful “mountainlike organization” which relies on strength in men, carry its own agenda, that of oppressing God’s Chosen ones? “Then he replied to me, “This is this message from the Lord to Zerubbabel: ‘Not by valor nor by strength, but only by my Spirit,’ says the Lord of the Heavenly Armies. ‘Who are you, great mountain? You will become a plain in Zerubbabel’s presence, and he will position the capstone, exulting over it, “How beautiful! How beautiful!”’” Zech 4:6,7 (Matt 16:18; 1 Pet 2:5) God’s blessed administration, the true Mt Zion: Isa Chapters 60, 61
  13. By the "slave class" I am guessing you mean the GB. Your reaction is exactly why the anointed in the congregations languish in hesitancy and timidity in standing up for the truth. The only authority you appear to recognize is the GB and the elders. Ps 142:6; Isa 59:10; 2 Cor 6:17; Ps 66:12; 1 John 2:26 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ps+142%3A6%3B+Isa+59%3A10%3B+ 2+Cor+6%3A17%3B+Ps+66%3A12%3B+1+John+2%3A26&version=NKJV Each anointed one has the obligation and authority to speak truth in Christ. 1 John 2:20,27; 1 Pet 2:5,9 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+John+2%3A20%2C27%3B+1+Pet+2%3A5%2C9 &version=NKJV “And now, O priests, this commandment is for you. If you will not hear, And if you will not take it to heart, To give glory to My name,” Says the Lord of hosts, “I will send a curse upon you, And I will curse your blessings. Yes, I have cursed them already, Because you do not take it to heart.” Mal 2:1,2 “For the lips of a priest should keep knowledge, And people should seek the law from his mouth; For he is the messenger of the Lord of hosts. But you have departed from the way; You have caused many to stumble at the law. You have corrupted the covenant of Levi,” Says the Lord of hosts. “Therefore I also have made you contemptible and base Before all the people, Because you have not kept My ways But have shown partiality in the law.” Mal 2:7-9 Deliberately, the GB have disregarded their members in Christ, cutting them off by refusing to accept Christ’s arrangement. 1 Cor 12:20,21 Each part of the Body of Christ provides sustenance to the whole. The knowledge of truth requires it. By denying their own members, they essentially have denied Christ. 1 John 2:18,19,22,23,26; 2 John 1:27 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+John+2%3A18%2C19%2C22%2C23%2C26%3B+2+John+1%3A27&version=NKJV “ For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive the things done in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad.” 2 Cor 5:10 Rom 12:5-8, 10,13 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Rom+12%3A5-8%2C+10%2C13&version=NKJV Paul dealt with those “puffed up with pride”. Do you question his authority when he stood up to them? 1 Cor 4:6-13;2 Cor 11:12-15;19-21 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Cor+4%3A6-13%3B2+Cor+11%3A12-15%3B19-21+++&version=NKJV Do you question Christ’s warning to beware of the “Kings of the Gentiles” (elder body) “who exercise lordship over them” (“obey the elders”), and those “who exercise authority over them (that being, the elder body), and “who are called “benefactors – a “title of honor” (“faithful and discreet slave”)? Luke 22:24-27 I am acting on my obligation and authority given by Christ, and as a “good for nothing slave” – to speak truth and expose Watchtower lies about the Christ. Luke 17:10 Finally, after many years of obeying men. There are others as well, including Ray Franz. I pray I strengthen my faith daily in doing so, being found acceptable in the day of our Lord. 1 Cor 10:12,13 Ezek 34:2,8,10; 22:25; Micah 3:11 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezek+34%3A2%2C8%2C10%3B+22%3A25%3B+Micah+3%3A11&version=NKJV Using exceptionally covert tactics, the GB and the organization has hidden the necessary reality of the Body of Christ from JWs; a prophetic fulfillment for the time of the end. “Through his cunning He shall cause deceit to prosper under his rule; And he shall exalt himself in his heart. He shall destroy many in their prosperity. He shall even rise against the Prince of princes; But he shall be broken without human means.” Dan 8:25 “He shall speak pompous words against the Most High, Shall persecute the saints of the Most High, And shall intend to change times and law. Then the saints shall be given into his hand For a time and times and half a time.” Dan 7:25 “I was watching; and the same horn was making war against the saints, and prevailing against them, until the Ancient of Days came, and a judgment was made in favor of the saints of the Most High, and the time came for the saints to possess the kingdom.” Dan 7:22 You say, “Did God remove them from their commission” God has removed many from their commission, we have the Hebrew and Greek scriptures to prove it.
  14. I must say, they are very few who try and I appreciate your patience. Your words are in green, the first being to Anna. Some of this reasoning contradicts not only Romans 10:18 which I quoted in my previous post to Allen, but also requires further redefinition to avoid contradictions with the "world" Satan dwells in You might want to read the entirety of Ps 19 which is what Rom 10:18 is derived from. Do you agree completely with the reasoning in the portion of the blog I quoted above. Is that why you are making the same argument to Anna about the "circuit" of the cities of Israel (and/or Asia Minor if you include the 7 congregations of Revelation)? Yes. The “seven congregations” refer to the Chosen ones. (1 Cor 14:33) Since Revelation is symbolic, the seven congregations carry a symbolic meaning today. I’ll give you this link, since this topic has stretched and continues to stretch far from the main question. The Fallen Star - http://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2013/06/i-have-found-typing-mistakes-below-and.html I couldn’t break down the further meaning of oikoumenes any better than Pearl has done, especially in this article and using Rev 3:10, which also considers how the seed of truth makes its home on “fertile soil” of the heart. “World/Earth/Home” – http://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/search?q=World+Earth+Home Although, I will say after a little extra research, the following gives me more confidence that the “occupied home” of God is his Temple, complete with Christ and his virgin Bride: 3625 - οἰκουμένην (oikoumenēn) “oikoumenē” - ikouménē (from 3611 /oikéō, "to inhabit, dwell") – the inhabited earth, οἰκουμένη oikouménē, oy-kou-men'-ay; feminine participle present passive ofG3611 – “to dwell in” (as noun, by implication, of G1093); land, i.e. the (terrene part of the) globe; specially, the Roman empire:—earth, world I decided to separate this into oiko/okeo/oikos (3624) “the inhabited earth” house (104x),household (3x), home (with G1519) (2x), at home (with G1722) (2x), oy-keh'-o; from G3624; to occupy a house, i.e. reside (figuratively, inhabit, remain, inhere); by implication, to cohabit:—dwell. See also G3625. AND υμένη. There is no Strong’s number for it, but by putting it into Google translator I came up with the meaning “hymen”. (Also as υμένας) , a word from ancient Greek. And of course the meaning of “hymen” signifies virginity. Consequently, I see this as the “virgin dwelling/home”. Isa 62:4,11; 2 Cor 11:2; Rev 14:4 Matt 13:23 - “the seed fell on good soil” (earth, land and the same word for “earth” in Romans 10:18 ) We know this parable signifies how receptive our heart is to truth. 1 Cor 3:9 - “For we are God’s fellow workers; you are God’s field, you are God’s building”. (a cultivated field, husbandry, tillage) God’s anointed ones face the refinement of the heart, according to the measuring line of truth, (Rev 11:1) and cultivated by God’s standards. Eze 36:27 Only then, upon sealing are they acceptable members of Christ’s Bride. John 14:2,23; Rev 3:12 Why do you believe that the preaching of the "good news" is specifically to the scattered remnant of God's Chosen ones - within the Watchtower congregations? What makes the Watchtower so special in your view? here is no other “religion” that I know of where God’s true anointed ones reside. Shouldn’t we ask why they are all in one place that has given us bits of truth? “Decoy” - lure or entice (a person or animal) away from an intended course, typically into a trap. “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits. Matt 7:15,16 Why type of spiritual fruit grows on the “trees” of the anointed leaders of the organization, from its inception until now? John 7:16-18 “Be of sober spirit, be on the alert. Your adversary, the devil, prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour.” 1 Pet 5:8 Isa 5:13; 2 Cor 11:3; Matt 24;24,25; Luke 21:24; Rev 13:10,16,7; 16:13-15; Dan 11:33 I have made mention of the “fourth beast” of Daniel and Revelation – the last deceptive entity that the “remaining ones of the woman’s seed” faces during the final days. Satan offered Christ all the kingdoms of the world; would he not do the same to Christ’s brothers? Christ’s potential “kings” are choosing their own “kingdoms” through the organization. Satan’s final tactics are his last, and must be so deceptive as to “shine” as Truth, pulling in to one place all of the remaining anointed ones, and using Christ’s own brothers as his agents. 1 Tim 4:1 Every caution we read in scripture prepares us for this day and the fulfillment of the two beasts of Revelation. Dan 7:19; Rev 13:2-4; 13:11 You may want to read 2 Thess 2:1-12 on the coming of the “lawless one”. The Last Harlot and Her Beast - 4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2012/12/here-is-earlier-post-with-updates.html The anointed are “scattered” within the organization, through their anonymity; not coming together as a Body in any sense outlined in scripture; especially during the Memorial service which is so oppressive. Paul used the marriage of two people as an example for those in Christ. Eph 5:25-28,31,32 If we take this example seriously, we should see that Christ, as a loving husband would not expect his composite Bride to be scattered, but as one Body in Christ. Rom 12:4,5; John 17:20,21 How can those in Christ be as one if they are not to “seek out others who claim to have the same calling hoping to bond with them” as the Watchtower claims? Their bonding as one leads to the promised Kingdom, which is what we all want! Who would prevent this, but Satan? Gen 3:15; Rev 12:4 1 Cor 12:25,26 – “so that there should be no division in the body, but that its parts should have equal concern for each other. If one part suffers, every part suffers with it; if one part is honored, every part rejoices with it.” Yet, there is a gathering of these “kings” in the Watchtower, for the location of “Armageddon” – where Christ’s “divisive sword” penetrates each heart of the anointed ones, and all who reside within its walls. Luke 12:49-51 Armageddon is fought in the “low plain of decision”, but we can be assured Satan will attempt to make a physical display as well. The scriptures warn us to “walk by faith, not by sight”. Joel 3:14; Rev 19:19; 2 Cor 5:7; John 3:12 One more question while I think of it. Do you understand the meaning of "world" as God's "inhabited or occupied place/dwelling" to mean something like the opposite of the "wilderness" in Revelation 12? I see the wilderness of Revelation 12 as a time of further testing, sifting and refinement for those who are God’s “occupied home”. Jesus was tested by Satan for 40 days and nights in the wilderness in Matt 4:1-11. Christ’s brothers suffer the same persecutions in a symbolic way, a continuous cleansing and refinement before receiving their inheritance, even after their own personal victory of breaking free of the “wild beast” of Revelation. The nation of Israel was in the wilderness for 40 years once free from Egypt’s bondage, also a time to humble and test God’s people. Deut 8:2 God’s anointed must also follow a similar path for a symbolic time. Zech 13:9; 1 Cor 3:13 As God fed his people manna while in the wilderness, for all today during their time in the “wilderness”, the Marriage Feast from Christ becomes abundant nourishment to sustain us. Rev 3:20 Matt 24:28; Rev 12:14 (Isa 52:2; 61:1-11 ) I hope the scriptures are right.
  15. It is interesting that the Pharisees accused Christ of declaring himself to be God. John 10:33 It appears you are making the charge that I “blaspheme” because I say I am a “slave” of Christ. I am Christ’s slave, nothing more. "To challenge who God anoints". If you are referring the Governing Body – they are genuine anointed ones. I don’t challenge this truth. I challenge their self appointed title of “faithful and discreet slave”. Do you believe that because one is anointed that he or she does not sin, that one’s heart is immune to deception? 1 John 2:19; Heb 3:12,13; Luke 22:31 “ For I am jealous for you with godly jealousy. For I have betrothed you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ. But I fear, lest somehow, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, so your minds may be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. For if he who comes preaches another Jesus whom we have not preached, or if you receive a different spirit which you have not received, or a different gospel which you have not accepted—you may well put up with it!” 2 Cor 11:2-4 “But who can endure the day of His coming? And who can stand when He appears? For He is like a refiner’s fire And like launderers’ soap. 3 He will sit as a refiner and a purifier of silver; He will purify the sons of Levi, And purge them as gold and silver, That they may offer to the Lord An offering in righteousness. Mal 3:2,3 "A person commissioned by God’s Holy Spirit doesn’t mislead anyone who wishes to be Christ follower to know, learn, and teach the true purpose of God for this, World." Each and every one of God’s anointed ones are “commissioned by Holy Spirit” to offer sacrifices of praise coming from a refined heart. Heb 13:15; John 14:15-17; 21:17 I am extremely sorry that you cannot see that the anointed in charge of the organization lead people, not to be Christ’s followers, but to be followers of a supposed "faithful and discreet slave" and an organization. "How grateful we are for the timely, heartening words we receive through the publications and the meetings arranged by “the faithful and discreet slave”! bt chap. 24 pp. 189-195 How grateful I am to have the words of the bible and the blessing of Holy Spirit through Jesus Christ and the Father. The true purpose of God is for mankind is to look “into the perfect law of liberty” – Jesus Christ, and to continue in it, “not as a forgetful hearer but a doer of the work, this one will be blessed in what he does.” James 1:25 This takes repentance from sin and the denying of oneself – the giving up of who we are and following Christ, NOT taking up an identity as “one of Jehovah’s Witnesses” which is included as necessary during baptism. Matt 16:24 You believe these men are commissioned by God based upon their word. Jesus said we CHOOSE whom we listen to based upon their TEACHINGS. This requires THINKING FOR YOURSELF. “For a good tree does not bear bad fruit, nor does a bad tree bear good fruit. For every tree is known by its own fruit. For men do not gather figs from thorns, nor do they gather grapes from a bramble bush. A good man out of the good treasure of his heart brings forth good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart brings forth evil. For out of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaks.” Luke 6:43-45 JWs hear the past truth, present truth, revised truth out of the mouths of men, and still call it TRUTH, when in fact it is deceit. "You don’t seem to understand, that while you are critical of anyone in spiritual authority, by your own actions, you have become that supposed authority. (Role Reversal) Once again, I’ll ask, by whose authority does your understanding of scripture outway (Merit) that of ANY Religion" You are seeing with your physical eyes only, Allan. God’s Truth in Christ can be discerned through grace, not through any established religion on earth. Jesus is the only Way, Truth, and Life – the “religion” we need follow to enter the Kingdom. For the Kingdom to arrive, God’s anointed ones and all must cleanse their heart and turn completely to God’s Son, Jesus Christ. No man should stand in their way. Gal 1:10 We are to shed the “earthly” draws, the desires of the flesh – which incorporates the earthly activity of building, operations necessary to run an organization, the appeasing of men through titles, the obedience of God’s anointed ones to an elder body; instead freely giving one’s life to God. This is unity on God’s spiritual terms, not through the physical lens of men.
  16. Yes, Anna. This is so true. The "Marriage Feast" is open to all. "The Marriage Feast - When?" http://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2013/09/there-are-still-many-who-equate-timing.html
  17. Did you read the articles? Did you look up the Greek meaning of oikouménē ? Or are you using “worldy” dictionaries? This is God’s home we must consider – His dwelling place – His spiritual abode, and those who comprise it – the target of the last “good news” to be preached, the call for repentance. Heb.12:22,23; Eph.2:6; Rev 12:12 Eph.2:19,22; 1Cor.3:9; Phil.3:20; Rev.21:3,22,23 Where are God’s people being called from in Rev 18:4-8? “God will decide who is acceptable to carry his Holy Spirit.” Yes, not man – not an elder body. Each anointed one who has received God’s Holy Spirit, knows it. It is THEY who must choose their Master – men, or Christ. “In cases as this, it would be appropriate to “choose for yourself” who carries the true word of God and is in Harmony with God’s inspired words, The Bible. 1 John 4:1 Matthew 24:4” Exactly! Read again, "When you are persecuted in one place, flee to another. Truly I tell you, you will not finish going through the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes." Matt 10:23
  18. "When you are persecuted in one place, flee to another. Truly I tell you, you will not finish going through the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes." Matt 10:23 "Then I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel." Rev 7:4 Wt 14 11/115 pp. 23-27 "On that day, by means of his spirit, Jehovah brought forth a new nation--spiritual Israel, "the Israel of God". Wt 16 1 pp. 20-26 The "Jew" represents those whom God as anointed by holy spirit If you put these together, Anna, you will see that the "good news" which takes place under all the signs of the end that Jesus gave us, "preached in all the inhabited earth", is to the scattered remnant of God's Chosen ones - within the Watchtower congregations. Please consider the meaning of "world"/"earth" in Matt 24:14: "Good News" - http://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2012/10/a-question-thank-you-for-all-fine.html "Good News--What is it? Who is it for? 1914 ("Earth") http://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2014/06/the-good-news-part-one.html
  19. Wt 16/3 pp. 18-23: Jesus has appointed elders to take the lead in the congregation, and he wants us to respect them and follow the direction they give us.His holy spirit can help us to obey any direction that the elders give us. Let me ask you, if Jesus, as our High Priest,has formulated his own priesthood of anointed ones to teach in the same manner as the early priesthood was guided to do, why would Jesus appoint those other than his own priests to lead in the congregation? Mal 2:7; 1 Pet 2:5,9 Obviously the organization is not doing things right. By others transgressing against God's Temple, this is considered "foreigners" trampling his temple. Ezek 44:7; Rom 2:29
  20. And all of that “spiritual food” is found accurate? Or is it “present truth”, a term I read that an older JW used for today’s teachings? “But I am afraid that as the serpent deceived Eve by his cunning, your thoughts will be led astray from a sincere and pure devotion to Christ. For if someone comes and proclaims another Jesus than the one we proclaimed, or if you receive a different spirit from the one you received, or if you accept a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it readily enough.” 2 Cor 11:3,4 Your comments are in green. The WT - Announcing Jehovah's Kingdom, is at no. 1 for the most widely distributed magazine in the world, the Awake is at no. 2, and JW.org is at no.1 for the most translated website in the world. “The coming of the lawless one is by the activity of Satan with all power and false signs and wonders, and with all wicked deception for those who are perishing, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved.” 2 Thess 2:9 And they worshiped the dragon, for he had given his authority to the beast (an “image”), and they worshiped the beast, saying, “Who is like the beast, and who can fight against it?” Rev 13:4 And just in case you have some comments about Satan being in charge of that, then be aware that the Bible is at no.1 for the most widely distributed book in the world. It is quite wonderful. It is God’s book after all. Should we expect anything less? Kind of cool, the Bible at no.1, a magazine announcing God's Kingdom at no. 1, and a website announcing God's Kingdom in most languages at no.1. By his cunning he shall make DECEIT prosper under his hand, and in his own mind he shall become great. Without warning he shall destroy many. And he shall even rise up against the Prince of princes, and he shall be broken—but by no human hand. Dan 8:25 I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and her offspring; he shall bruise your head, and you shall bruise his heel.” Gen 3:15 “For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers over this present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places.” Eph 6:12 “Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ”. Col 2:8 “For though we walk in the flesh, we are not waging war according to the flesh. For the weapons of our warfare are not of the flesh but have divine power to destroy strongholds. We destroy arguments and every lofty opinion raised against the knowledge of God, and take every thought captive to obey Christ” 2 Cor 10:3-5 “Now I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse. And He who sat on him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and makes war.” Rev 19:11 “And the armies in heaven, clothed in fine linen, white and clean, followed Him on white horses.” Rev 19:14 “And I saw the beast, the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against Him who sat on the horse and against His army. Then the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who worked signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image. “ Rev 19:19,20 “Now when He was asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, He answered them and said, “The kingdom of God does not come with observation” Luke 17:20 “Remember therefore how you have received and heard; hold fast and repent. Therefore if you will not watch, I will come upon you as a thief, and you will not know what hour I will come upon you.” Rev 3:3 As for people leaving the organization and then choosing the right road is kind of complicated don't you think? Complicated? No. How can turning one’s heart completely to God and Christ be complicated unless we make it so? It can be difficult denying oneself and following Christ, but this is where our faith is tested. “So Jesus answered and said, “Assuredly, I say to you, there is no one who has left house or brothers or sisters or father or mother or wife or children or lands, for My sake and the gospel’s, who shall not receive a hundredfold now in this time—houses and brothers and sisters and mothers and children and lands, with persecutions—and in the age to come, eternal life.” Mark 10:29,30 And you will be hated by all for My name’s sake. But he who endures to the end shall be saved. Mark 13:13 “Then Jesus looked around and said to His disciples, “How hard it is for those who have riches to enter the kingdom of God!” 24 And the disciples were astonished at His words. But Jesus answered again and said to them, “Children, how hard it is for those who trust in riches[d] to enter the kingdom of God! 25 It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.” 26 And they were greatly astonished, saying among themselves, “Who then can be saved?” 27 But Jesus looked at them and said, “With men it is impossible, but not with God; for with God all things are possible.” Mark 10:23-27 “Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.” Matt 7:13,14 I would have though that people leaving Babylon the Great would be sufficient. There are two covenant promises, the promise of life in God’s Kingdom and death through Babylon the Great. Because you have said, “We have made a covenant with death, And with Sheol we are in agreement. When the overflowing scourge passes through, It will not come to us, For we have made lies our refuge, And under falsehood we have hidden ourselves.” There is only truth in Christ, or lies in Satan. Each anointed one will teach one or the other; thus, by their fruits you will know them. Should we go into the false promises of the Watchtower over the years? Or the present teachings of “this generation”, based on 1914 (Dan 7:25; 2 Thess 2:2), or the pedophile issue, or disfellowshipping and shunning, or demanded obedience to men? Christ is Truth, not falsehood, not darkness in ANY amount – not even a little. Matt 5:14 Anointed ones can leave their covenant with Christ through their own sinful, prideful lusts. Or are there multiple evil slaves? These teachings of Christ are not just for our time, but from the time Jesus was resurrected. A house steward over the anointed ones most likely existed when needed; and possibly there were “evil slaves” as well as faithful slaves. Also, each anointed slave of Christ must prove to be “faithful and discreet” as well as stewards of God’s word. Matt 25:21; 1 Cor 4:1 “Little children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that the Antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come, by which we know that it is the last hour. They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us. 1 John 2:18,19 “This is the message which we have heard from Him and declare to you, that God is light and in Him is no darkness at all. If we say that we have fellowship with Him, and walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth. But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin.” 1 John 1:5-7 He who says he is in the light, AND HATES HIS BROTHER, is in darkness until now. 1 John 2:9 This particular fulfilment of the evil slave pairs with the identity of the fourth beast of Daniel that the “remaining ones of the woman’s seed” must face. Dan 7:7,8,21,23,25; 8:9-12, 23-25; 11:21-14; 31-45 Rev 17:11,12; 13:1,2,4
  21. “ Indeed, everyone to whom much was given, much will be demanded of him, and the one who was put in charge of much will have more than usual demanded of him.” He is speaking of the Chosen ones. “Everyone” concerns those who are part of his Body, God’s Temple – the anointed ones. “Now there are varieties of gifts, but the same Spirit; and there are varieties of service, but the same Lord; and there are varieties of activities, but it is the same God who empowers them all in everyone.7 To each is given the manifestation of the Spirit for the common good. For to one is given through the Spirit the utterance of wisdom, and to another the utterance of knowledge according to the same Spirit, to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by the one Spirit, to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another the ability to distinguish between spirits, to another various kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues. All these are empowered by one and the same Spirit, who apportions to each one individually as he wills.” 1 Cor 12:4-11 (1 Corinthians 4:6) 6 Now, brothers, these things I have applied to myself and A·polʹlos for your good, that through us you may learn the rule: “Do not go beyond the things that are written,” so that you may not be puffed up with pride, favoring one against the other. . . Certainly, the characteristic of an “evil slave” is one who reacts to “My Master is delaying” by going ahead of Christ and appointing a time of his arrival, which the leaders in the organization have. Wouldn’t setting such a date be going beyond the things that are written, an act of prideful presumptuousness? The progression that follows, is dominance over of all anointed ones, the obligation to accept this time table derived from men and not scripture. (Galatians 2:6-12) However, when Ceʹphas came to Antioch, I resisted him face-to-face, because he was clearly in the wrong. If any anointed one stands “face-to-face” with theGoverning Body through the Body of Elders (a conterfeit of the Body of Christ), over doctrine – “things that go beyond what is written”, they are ousted by disfellowshipping. This power play is nothing new. I have written something to the church, but Diotrephes, who likes to put himself first, does not acknowledge our authority. So if I come, I will bring up what he is doing, talking wicked nonsense against us. And not content with that, he refuses to welcome the brothers, and also stops those who want to and puts them out of the church. 3 John 9,10 The Governing Body does not acknowledge the spiritual authority of the anointed ones; instead they ‘favor’ themselves over all of their spiritual brothers. How can this be excused? For no one ever hated his own flesh, but nourishes and cherishes it, just as the Lord does the church. For we are members of His body, of His flesh and of His bones. Eph 5:29,30 You have many good points, JW Insider, I just wish you could see the whole picture. The evil slave who “beats his fellow slaves” – brothers in Christ – does so by playing the dominant role, not loving their own “members” in Christ, (1 Cor 12:26) and through arrogance, act as a “Diotrephes”. Paul was the epitome of a loving “steward” over God’s household, his anointed brothers. The Governing Body is the epitome of dominance and pride, without love for those within God’s household, and all done by wearing a smile. Again, this household is the Body of Christ; which are the anointed ones. He who plants and he who waters are one, and each will receive his wages according to his labor. 9 For we are God's fellow workers. You are God's field, God's building. 1 Cor 3:8,9 “For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them”. Eph 2:10 “According to the grace of God given to me, like a skilled master builder I laid a foundation, and someone else is building upon it. Let each one take care how he builds upon it. For no one can lay a foundation other than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ.” 1 Cor 3:10 “built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the cornerstone, in whom the whole structure, being joined together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord. In him you also are being built together into a dwelling place for God by the Spirit.” “Do you not know that you are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you? If anyone defiles the temple of God, God will destroy him. For the temple of God is holy, which temple you are.” 1 Cor 3:16,17 The Temple (priests, 1 Pet 2:5,9) is defiled through blasphemous teachings of a wicked slave, and through obedience to those NOT part of this Temple, the Body of Elders. “I know your works, your labor, and your endurance, and that you cannot tolerate evil. You have tested those who call themselves apostles (the elders) and are not, and you have found them to be liars.” Rev 2:2 The appearance of the wicked slave during the time of the end is the tribulating resistance that each member of the Body of Christ faces before being sealed. Someone put it so succinctly: They hid their evil so well, the rank and file for the most part were unaware. WT indoctrinated everyone so completely that they are vehemently defended by WT apologist, even concerning the pedophile cases. Everyone hates that behavior but they make excuses for the GB. What's so amazingly sad is the treatment of the other anointed, instigated by the GB, is not known or ignored by the rank and file. They believe lies told by GB that other anointed are not important, when sealing of the full number of anointed means salvation for mankind. For the creation waits with eager longing for the revealing of the sons of God. For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of him who subjected it, in hope that the creation itself will be set free from its bondage to corruption and obtain the freedom of the glory of the children of God. For we know that the whole creation has been groaning together in the pains of childbirth until now. This situation under an evil slave is part of the labor pains Jesus predicted. Matt 24:8 Notice Matt 24:9 on: “Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and put you to death, (face-to-face confrontation over doctrine leading to “putting out of the church”) John 16:2 Remembering the symbolism of Revelation (Rev 1:1 in Greek)– Rev 13:15,10;12:11 “and you will be hated by all nations for my name's sake.” Who’s name? Jesus Christ. This is exactly why I was personally disfellowshipped; that, and rejecting an organization as salvation when this comes from God through Christ and the sealed Body of Christ. “And then many will fall away (leaving their covenant in Christ)and betray one another and hate one another.” Luke 12:49-53; Matt 10;21-23 “And many false prophets will arise and lead many astray. “ Along with the “many” over time are the last ones, Satan’s most deceitful ploy before the Kingdom arrives. Rev 19:20 “And because lawlessness will be increased, the love of many will grow cold.” Can you see that the GB and elder body shepherd without love through necessary obedience to men? I believe you do. The evil slave dominates his brothers in Christ; lawlessness is against Christ’s law of love toward his brothers, and he rejects God’s own laws necessary to guide God’s Chosen priesthood, through the formation of an elder body, a false priesthood, – the “man of lawlessness” that “sits in the Temple of God”. 2 Thess 2:4; Jer 23:11 (Mal 2:7) “But the one who endures to the end will be saved.” (Rom 6:11; Eph 2:1,5; Col 3:1; Rev 11:11) The path of losing all to follow Christ, including family and friends, and being marked as “dead” by the congregation, proves their faithfulness solely to Christ and the Father, and can lead to their sealing in Christ, but only outside of the organization, removing its ‘mark’. Rev 13:16-18; Heb 13:12,13 Christ said, “All these are the beginning of birth pains.” Leading to what? The Kingdom of God, which only arrives when the last of the Bride is sealed. Revelation identifies the “woman”/New Covenant promise ready to be “devoured” by Satan (Rev 12:4; Jer 4:31) When an anointed one loyally obeys someone (GB) other than their Master, who’s impressing them to do so? The Governing Body. By giving into this fear, allowing this to happen, the individual is “devoured” through their obedience to the wrong Master. Ask yourself then, who is Satan’s puppet? It is a self assigned “faithful and discreet slave”. Rev 13:15 “Woe to those who are wise in their own eyes and clever in their own sight.” Isa 5:21 I have heard of no other anointed one who will profess to this title, no other anointed one dares call himself such until Christ arrives. (Matt 25:19-30) Yet, the question is asked, “Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his master made ruler over his household, to give them food in due season? This gives the indication that there could very well be two outcomes. An evil slave (another counterfeit of Satan acting as a “faithful slave”) and a true faithful and wise servant providing such food in due season, the season that signifies the Marriage Feast, prompted by the “wise virgins” who trim their lamps, and the invitation given to all who leave the “city”. Matt 25:1-13; Luke 14:15-23 If you peruse the forums, you will notice the large outflow of those leaving the organization. This alone is a sign of the Marriage Feast, but what each heart chooses upon leaving will further determine his choice of “roads” – the narrow one leading to Christ, or the broad and spacious one. God’s Kingdom will arrive only when each anointed heart is sealed to the promise they have chosen, and those hearts who declare which teacher they choose also to follow; those teaching life in Christ, or death in deception and its originator. By that time, all “144,000”, (symbolic or literal) will be sealed. Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to him, we ask you, brothers not to be quickly shaken in mind or alarmed, either by a spirit or a spoken word, or a letter seeming to be from us , to the effect that the day of the Lord has come. The Watchtower has made this declaration. (“My Master is delaying”) Dan 7:25 - He shall speak pompous words against the Most High, (1 Cor 4:6) Shall persecute the saints of the Most High, (Matt 24: And shall intend to change times and law. (2 Thess 2:2) Then the saints shall be given into his hand For a time and times and half a time. The coming of the lawless one is by the activity of Satan with all power and false signs and wonders, and with all wicked deception for those who are perishing, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. Therefore God sends them a strong delusion, so that they may believe what is false, 12 in order that all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness. 2 Thess 2:9,10 “…so that they may believe what is false.” Already we see the warnings verified of men setting their own time period prompted by believing the Master is delayed, which the apostles warned not to be “shaken in mind or alarmed” by. This is only part of the delusion, the entirety is an organizational “image”, an icon known as earthly Zion, and known as the truth. “And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness”. 2 Thess 2:11 This is what the last “living stones” of the Temple of God face! It has nothing to do with the United Nations, or earthly governments or other religious organizations. There is no delusion there for God’s Chosen ones. Everyone in the organization sees Satan’s activities elsewhere, but not right among them. Always in scriptures God’s own priests and prophets are at fault, leading themselves and others to their death through sin and idolatry. Jer 14:14; Jer 23:32 JW Insider, do you realize if your own thoughts were relayed to the elder body concerning the Governing Body that you also would be disfellowshipped? If you keep your comments anonymous, you are “safe”, but if you truly voiced them among those you love, you could “lose your life” as you know it. The symbolic meaning of this can be seen in Matt 10:38,39 “Anyone who loves their father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves their son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. Whoever does not take up their cross and follow me is not worthy of me. Whoever finds their life will lose it, and whoever loses their life for my sake will find it.” Satan’s Short Period of Time - http://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2014/10/when-is-satans-short-period-of-time.html
  22. Very true, but disfellowshipping is a form of perceived "killing" and symbolic for the outcome speaking truth as Christ did. Rev 13:15; 12:10,11,17; 20:4; John 15:20; Ps 119:161 To the average JW, I believe you would be hard pressed explaining the difference between the Watchtower organization and “Jehovah’s organization”. They are both representing the “preaching work”. “According to its charter, the corporation’s purposes are “religious, educational, and charitable,” in particular, to “preach and teach the gospel of God’s Kingdom under Christ Jesus.” “What is the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society?” The visuals in the premise of “Organized to do Jehovah’s Will” give a vivid description of the Watchtower’s charter, but in fact is speaking in terms of “Jehovah’s organization”. They are identical, are they not? The following is how truth turns into a lie. Firstly, we remember these words: “Do not make an idol for yourself, whether in the shape of anything in the heavens above or on the earth below or in the waters under the earth. You must not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the fathers’ sin, to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, but showing faithful love to a thousand generations of those who love Me and keep My commands.” Exod 20:4-6 Today, Zion is REPRESENTED on earth by the remaining ones of “the Israel of God,” the international congregation of spirit-anointed Christians, who have the hope of ruling with Christ in heaven. w02 7/1 pp. 9-14 This is very close to truth, but in fact these faithful chosen ones will inhabit both heaven and earth. Rev 3:12. Introduction to a previous “earthly organization”, a term not used in the bible. God purposes to punish Edom for what has maliciously been done to His earthly organization, called Zion. ip-1 chap. 27 pp. 356-368 The transition to a full lie: “As part of Jehovah’s organization, what joy we now have in telling others about God’s promised new world!” Wt 14/05 THE EARTHLY PART OF JEHOVAH’S ORGANIZATION INCLUDES: (Wt 13/04) The Governing Body Branch Committees Traveling overseers Bodies of elders Congregations Individual publishers “Jehovah has chosen an ORGANIZATION to REPRESENT him. Wt 14/5/15 pp.21-26 The organization comprises at least 8 million people, with only a fraction who are the “spirit- anointed”. All will tell you they are part of the Watchtower organization, but perhaps excluding you. I remember it was taught early on when we hear “who is it?” while at the door, to answer, “we represent the Watchtower”. “The wonders about Jehovah’s organization, or “Zion,” and the truth about the spiritual paradise must be joyfully passed on “to future generations.” w15 7/15 pp. 7-11 The chapters from “Organized to do Jehovah’s Will” includes the charter’s purposes, with the concluding chapter entitled, “Stay Close to Jehovah’s Organization”. How is this done? Are they admonished to “stay close” to the “spirit anointed Christians”, which is impossible under the command for them to remain anonymous? Or are they admonished to attend meetings, listen and obey, and work for the good of a corporation? Daughter Zion, God’s “holy mountain” and represented on earth by the anointed, are now misrepresented by a corporation. Jer 4:31; Zech 2:7; Rev 12:1-6 Still, as a people, “the chosen ones” and their loyal companions will physically survive the end of apostate Christendom by taking refuge in Jehovah and his mountainlike organization. w11 1/15 pp. 3-7 “Righteous flee to God’s Mountain-like Organization.” Make Sure of All Things, pg 323 “Do not make an idol for yourself, whether in the shape of anything in the heavens above or on the earth below or in the waters under the earth” The true Zion is found in the faithful and continually refined hearts of the Chosen ones: “But you have come to Mount Zion, to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem. You have come to thousands upon thousands of angels in joyful assembly, to the church of the firstborn, whose names are written in heaven. You have come to God, the Judge of all, to the spirits of the righteous made perfect, to Jesus the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood that speaks a better word than the blood of Abel.” Heb 12:22-24 Now consider: “When Jesus taught his followers how to pray, he did not tell them to use images. The very idea of using an image to worship the true God cannot be found in the Christian Greek Scriptures…God rejects worship given him through images” Awake 10/2014 The word “through” is highlighted by the magazine. Definition of an idol from the Insight book: “An idol is an image, a representation of anything, or a symbol that is an object of passionate devotion, whether material or imagined. Generally speaking, idolatry is the veneration, love, worship, or adoration of an idol. It is usually practiced toward a real or supposed higher power, whether such power is believed to have animate existence (as a human, an animal, or an organization) or is inanimate (as a force or lifeless object of nature). Idolatry generally involves some form, ceremony, or ritual.” Many times in the Watchtower, one can find references implying our worship is to be in spirit and truth, as Jesus taught us; and then it is announced that we must only worship with the organization, which no different than through an image of an organization. This is exactly the type of worship that the discloser made by the Awake was indicating that God rejects. The organizational image outlined in the “Organized To Do Jehovah’s Will” book, which concurs with the Watchtower charter is, according to JWs, the only way to worship God. “To survive, we must keep our faith strong and loyally worship Jehovah WITH his organization.” ws14 5/15 pp. 21-26 A truth gives way to lies; the lie, surrounded by partial truth, becomes “mountainlike”. “And He said to them, ‘You are those who justify yourselves before men, but God knows your hearts. For what is highly esteemed among men is an abomination in the sight of God.” Luke 16:15 God’s true Zion/sanctuary has been profaned by the introduction of a lie. Matt 24:15; Ezek 23:38; Ezek 44:7; Eph 2:19-22; 1 Cor 3:16,17; Rev 14:1 “But each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own desires and enticed. Then, when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, brings forth death. Do not be deceived, my beloved brethren. Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and comes down from the Father of lights, with whom there is no variation or shadow of turning.” James 1:14-17 “And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs coming out of the mouth of the dragon, out of the mouth of the beast (image), and out of the mouth of the false prophet.” Rev 16:13 (Ps 105:30) Their land abounded with frogs, Even in the chambers of their kings. Ps 105:30 He sent swarms of flies among them, which devoured them, And frogs, which destroyed them. Ps 78:45 Satan can take truth and twist it like a rope, in order to deceive Christ’s seed. 2 Cor 11:13-15 This might sound odd, and even sound "independent" and perhaps "apostate" to some other JWs, but if you listen closely to the history of the Watch Tower organization given to the 59th Gilead Class (in the same talk by F W Franz partly quoted in the video links you provided) you will see that this is actually the way that Franz himself understood the way we should view the Watch Tower. I agree, and thought he gave good proof that no governing body existed in the first century, but what were Franz's underlying reasons for the talk? This article sheds some light on history. http://gwest59.tripod.com/ChristIsLord/id46.html God's Genuin Mountain http://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2013/02/jehovahs-genuine-mountain.html
  23. It is quite astonishing that these primary teachings are what pull people in. It is equally astonishing that beyond this foundation, confusion sets in. If Holy Spirit had a hand in revealing these truths, what about now? (Rev 13:15 – “breath”, 2 Cor 11:4 – “receive a different spirit”) What are the 'new things' that have been uncovered? Are they "truth" to replace "truth"? Surely you noticed in the videos how an “organizational structure” was not recognized by the apostles. They adhered to the direction of Jesus and Holy Spirit, on an individual basis. This was the driving force that motivated their teaching, not men. In the org. the power of men comes into play, men who decide one's spiritual fate. Judgement belonging to Christ has fallen into man's hands. Rom 14:4 Yes, If we say our teaching is based on Christ, wouldn’t we be on a slippery slope if we deviate in any way? What if teachers whom we listen to, teach fallacies that we may later pass on in the ministry? Who’s responsible for such errors? We all are. Jer 23:11-14 To say we can sift through the Wt. teachings and bring our own refined cake to the door, leading one into an organization that has taught against Christ’s own words, is presumptuous. “Legitimate and important ministry”. Is the changing doctrine of generation, legitimate? Where are you leading people when they ask about it? How will you shield them from the disappointment they will experience when realizing that “truth”, is in fact, a falsehood, an error in direction? I sincerely encourage you to take a comfortable seat and read the book of Matthew from a dependable translation (whatever dependable is, perhaps NKJV). Keep in mind… The GB and all anointed ones in the congregation who must teach “good fruit”, not rotten fruit, not even passable fruit. - Matt 3:7-10; 12:33; 7:15-20 Our salvation is solely from God and the Word – Matt 4:4 We serve God and Christ, nothing fleshly, nothing earthly. – Matt 4:10; 10:38,39; 6:19-21, 24 The many, many who leave the organization and turn humbly to Christ and are persecuted for it, in their endeavor to hear the teachings of “good fruit”, and teach it – Matt 5:11,12; 10:32,33; 16-23 The seriousness of judging these individuals according to man’s doctrine, which is breaking God’s commandments – Matt 22:36-40; 5:46,47,19,20 How God’s priests lose their “salt”, and lose their “light” when teachings deviate from Christ. Matt 5:13-16; 6:23 If we build our trust in teachings other than Christ’s pure words, our own “house”, will fall. Matt 7:24-27 A false sense of “peace” that the organization expounds on, (“Peace, Health and Prosperity!”) “Do not think that I came to bring peace on earth. I did not come to bring peace but a sword. For I have come to ‘set a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law’; and ‘a man’s enemies will be those of his own household.’ He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me. He who finds his life will lose it, and he who loses his life for My sake will find it.” Matt 10:34-39 Where do you see this fulfillment if not when disfellowshipping occurs to those who leave and follow Christ and God, serving whole souled? JW Insider, you may be very careful of your own teachings, but it cannot be doubted that you lead your students into an environment of shaky ground and diverted paths, where direction can error and where history verifies it. These are people’s lives, whom we must love as Christ loves them. Matt 10:24-26 “For this is he who was spoken of by the prophet Isaiah, saying: “The voice of one crying in the wilderness: ‘Prepare the way of the Lord; Make His paths straight.’” Matt 3:3 Albert Barnes’ commentary on this particular scripture is very applicable, when evaluating the teachings of the organization. "What is the worst sin thw WT has done?" http://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2013/07/what-is-worst-sin-wt-has-done.html
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