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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in It's called, "You have a right to know"   
    Do you think they have not received letters from many anointed, including those whom I associate with?  Most definitely. 
    Have they received an invitation to meet?  Yes
    Did these anointed receive a response?  No.
    Do you believe that GB would even allow them into their secure compound to talk with them in person?  No.
    They know who we are and they know what is written about them.  
    Have you read the parable of the wise and foolish virgins? Matt 25 The foolish virgins "buy" their oil for their lamps from  those who sell it.  The wise virgins join Christ.  Who "sells" regulated spiritual food in exchange for devotion to them, and to their organization?  Rev 13:11,12,15-17
    Rev 18:4-8 
    I do meet with anointed ones and those not anointed.   The eight have their ways that you could not imagine, of attempting to stop whatever is written about them.  
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in It's called, "You have a right to know"   
    That is how the scripture is to be applied, but according to your leaders, any outside of the organization, are condemned to a fiery Armageddon.  Even SM would not on be on board with that.  
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in It's called, "You have a right to know"   
    I am sure if this is a huge issue with Admin, either the post will be taken down, I will be banned, or at least receive a message from him.  Not saying it may not happen, but I'm still waiting.
    You are saying that the site puts God in a bad way?  How so?  Don't you think that an organization and its "site", that boasts pure worship yet tells a generation of people that they will not die...don't you think that puts a bad reflection on God and the definition of pure worship, as not so pure?
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in It's called, "You have a right to know"   
    Do you think they have not received letters from many anointed, including those whom I associate with?  Most definitely. 
    Have they received an invitation to meet?  Yes
    Did these anointed receive a response?  No.
    Do you believe that GB would even allow them into their secure compound to talk with them in person?  No.
    They know who we are and they know what is written about them.  
    Have you read the parable of the wise and foolish virgins? Matt 25 The foolish virgins "buy" their oil for their lamps from  those who sell it.  The wise virgins join Christ.  Who "sells" regulated spiritual food in exchange for devotion to them, and to their organization?  Rev 13:11,12,15-17
    Rev 18:4-8 
    I do meet with anointed ones and those not anointed.   The eight have their ways that you could not imagine, of attempting to stop whatever is written about them.  
     
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    Witness reacted to Space Merchant in It's called, "You have a right to know"   
    The fact you didn't know about this you are not at fault here, you won't be banned; granted the majority of people do not know these things about such websites. In Admin's case, he will not fault you for it. The only reason Admin was brought up is for example if someone fell actually fell victim to their personal info getting breached, they'll can start pointing fingers in which where they found the link in the first place. For, there are people who if they feel violated in some way shape or form, they'd go for all parties involved, often times get others involved indirectly.
    Also your remark of those chosen, @Kosonen saw things differently, I believe you spoke with him before.
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    Witness reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in It's called, "You have a right to know"   
    The same as it doesn't bother you a bit about all the CHILD SEXUAL ABUSE done by Elders, MS and others in the JW Org. 
    And it doesn't bother you a bit to deliver LIES to people in the form of w/t magazines and tracts. 
    And it doesn't bother you a bit that your GB tells the Anointed NOT TO MEET TOGETHER, AS IT WOULD BE WORKING AGAINST THE HOLY SPIRIT. 
    You hypocrite 
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    Witness reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    Member I FOUND A SCAN OF THE 1974 KINGDOM MINISTRY MENTIONED ABOVE ! Here it is !
     



    Doesn't this prove the point ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????  
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    Witness got a reaction from Dmitar in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    This is what I said, "Jesus is King of kings (Rev 19:16), but he is not king over the national leaders of the world. They are not under covenant with him. (Jer 31:31; Luke 22:20)  His kings were chosen when anointed, but that doesn’t mean they all remain faithful to his truths. (Deut 29:18; Heb 12:15; 2 Pet 3:17; Rev 8:11; 17:1; Rev 13:11,12)  In the last days, the anointed remnant, the remaining “kings of the earth” are deceived by the “teachings of demons”. Matt 24:24,25; 1 Tim 4:1; Luke 22:31; Col 2:8; Rev 13:10
    The anointed are the kings of the earth. (Rev 1:5) If they fail to remain faithful to Jesus, and instead listen to false prophets, they are still referred to as "kings" but haven't been sealed into the Kingdom, because they are listening and accepting the lies.  They are the "ten kings" that merge with the Beast/organization when the Harlot false prophet is done away with. (Rev 17:12-18) The "kings of the earth" in Revelation always refer to God's chosen people. The Beast with two horns (horns meaning "kings" Rev 17:12) rises out of the earth. They are false prophets, fallen anointed ones.  (Rev 8:10,11;13:11,12)  Revelation describes God's people taken captive by lies of false prophets (Rev 13:10, 5-7), their falling away from truth, (Matt 24:24,25; 1 Tim 4:1;Rev 16:13-16) and those who repent and stand up to the lies, leading to their gaining salvation through that repentance.  (Rev 10:11; 13:15; 11:1-3,7; 12:11)
    They gain victory over the Beast of Rev 13, that "made war", with them.  (Rev 13:5-7; 15:2)
    This is the division of truth against lies spoken between God's chosen ones and whomever side their heart decides to follow.  
    The apostle Paul mentioned the kings who had fallen from God's grace in his day,  in 1 Cor 4:8; yet who are confident that they will rule with Christ, as your leadership believe they will also, no matter how many times they mislead the sheep with their lies. 
    Look at it this way, when you read Revelation, keep Rev 1:5 in mind.
    "and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler over the kings of the earth. To Him who loved us and washed us from our sins in His own blood"
    And, Rev 5:9,10
    And they sang a new song, saying:
    “You are worthy to take the scroll,
    And to open its seals;
    For You were slain,
    And have redeemed us to God by Your blood
    Out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation,
    10 And have made us kings and priests to our God;
    And we shall reign on the earth.”
    We can't mix two definitions of "kings of the earth", but must rely on the scripture's definition.  
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Dmitar in It's called, "You have a right to know"   
    That is how the scripture is to be applied, but according to your leaders, any outside of the organization, are condemned to a fiery Armageddon.  Even SM would not on be on board with that.  
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    Witness got a reaction from Dmitar in It's called, "You have a right to know"   
    I am sure if this is a huge issue with Admin, either the post will be taken down, I will be banned, or at least receive a message from him.  Not saying it may not happen, but I'm still waiting.
    You are saying that the site puts God in a bad way?  How so?  Don't you think that an organization and its "site", that boasts pure worship yet tells a generation of people that they will not die...don't you think that puts a bad reflection on God and the definition of pure worship, as not so pure?
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    Witness got a reaction from Dmitar in It's called, "You have a right to know"   
    Your leaders judge all people outside of the anointed Body of Christ as condemned to a fiery Armageddon.  Is that what the scriptures tell them to do?  1 Cor 5:12,13
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    Witness got a reaction from Dmitar in It's called, "You have a right to know"   
    Oh my goodness, I left in disgust, why would I ever be jealous of being enslaved to a corrupt organization?  
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    Witness got a reaction from Dmitar in It's called, "You have a right to know"   
    Right.  You are the only one to pry whether I am anointed or not.  From there it has become fuel to foster lies about my intentions.  I don't recall demanding that I be acknowledged as anointed.  Do you?🙂
     
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    Witness reacted to Space Merchant in It's called, "You have a right to know"   
    It's fine, a lot of what is said is in the beginning of the thread. At least they have an idea.
    Usually things of this nature is sourced first, eventually gets to reddit and similar websites, some of them, prior to branching out elsewhere.
    That being said, not sure if you have one, but just keep a malware scan in case. As mentioned before, main page, you are safe, but clicking anything outside of it, is risky. If you want to just move with caution on the main page, it doesn't hurt to right-click, check the link address before going any further.
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    Witness got a reaction from Dmitar in It's called, "You have a right to know"   
    Tom, as I have said before, this crazy women would just as soon pull you and your family out of the org.  This isn't hate against JWs, it is hate against lies, false doctrines. JWs have put their organization on a pedestal, yet it is full of the same corruptive elements as any other religious organization.  God has never dismissed corruption when His people have abused and ignored His decrees, as the organization has.  
    The wrath of God is real, and is enacted against His people.  Will you be prepared to face it?  Rev 18:4-8
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    Witness got a reaction from Dmitar in It's called, "You have a right to know"   
    I can see that this is upsetting the two of you!  If they call me in for distribution of copyright, they will have to haul in thousands of other people with me.  I don't own the website, I linked it, just as everyone else has.    I'm not having any of the problems that you are talking about SM, but I'll let you know.
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    Witness reacted to Pudgy in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    I FOUND A SCAN OF THE 1974 KINGDOM MINISTRY MENTIONED ABOVE !
    Here it is !
     



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    Witness got a reaction from Dmitar in It's called, "You have a right to know"   
    https://accessjw.org/rtk/
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    Witness got a reaction from Dmitar in It's called, "You have a right to know"   
    Whether that is true or not remains to be "seen".  Amazing that within 15 minutes you found out that "half" of the site is dead.  You're quick!
    Grant it, I haven't opened everything, but I have yet to come across links on the other pages, that don't work.
     
    Are you trying to dissuade JWs from checking it out themselves?  
    If so, why?
     
     
    No kidding.  🙂
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Space Merchant in It's called, "You have a right to know"   
    https://accessjw.org/rtk/
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    Witness reacted to Pudgy in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    A Politician’s reply ….. sorta like a Dmitar post.
    Manipulative and changing the subject many times with MANY WORDS, to wear you down with irrelevancy.
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    Witness reacted to Pudgy in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    … and as to the 1975 issue, photographs of a kingdom ministry I believe from 1974 have been posted here many times, although I do not have a copy on my iPhone, when the Society was commending the brothers who had sold their homes, assets, and businesses to preach the Kingdom message this time of the end.
    Perhaps somebody here will post it again.
    This makes it completely clear to my mind That the WTB&TS was in fact preaching that the end would occur In the mid-1970s.
    JWI was there, and I was there, and saw it happen.
    AND WITH THAT KINGDOM MINISTRY STATEMENT is the written confirmation.
    And ( coff, coff ) I wonder where a lot of that money went?
     
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    Witness reacted to Pudgy in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    I first became aware of the Procter & Gamble satanic allegiance controversy in 1980, and if memory serves about that same time there was a skit on SNL about that but I don’t quite remember that I just remember the impression of it.
    The congregation I attended in Portland Oregon knew about this controversy and told me about it as a fact. The fact that Procter & Gamble and its symbol was of satanic origin.
    I also heard about this at work several different times.
    I put it on my metal shelf of things that could be true, or could be false, but since I had no directed interest in such things and it didn’t affect my life I pretty much ignored it as much as I could. For me it came under the category of “Interesting if true, interesting if not true, why should I give a damn either way.”
    Except for the people at work, I never talked to anybody that wasn’t a Jehovah’s Witness. This is pretty much been through my entire life as I do really don’t have any interest in talking to people at all, as I’m occupied with internal thoughts that keep me quite busy.
    People would mention this to me, and occasionally I asked the question out of the blue to people, casually interested in the truth. I did notice that nobody had any proof of any sort and it was complete hearsay.
    So what I did was this, I wrote a letter to Procter & Gamble asking them about the assertions of their satanic involvement, and this was of general conversation in the area at that time which was 1980, but I was distracted because Mount Saint Helens in Washington state just exploded, and Portland Oregon was covered in about 2 1/2 inches of volcanic ash.
    Realizing from experience that’s the easiest way somebody can ignore you is to say they didn’t ever get the message, I sent it by certified mail, return receipt requested (the green card you may be familiar with), and pretty much forgot about the whole thing, in the same way I might ignore some nutty group in Australia, when I’m busy trying to work a heavy overtime schedule.
    …. but one day I got a reply from Procter & Gamble and when I opened it up I was expecting to see a simple affirmation or simple denial perhaps with some documentation to prove it either way.
    What I got was a history of the symbol of how it happened that boxes of their soap and it was Ivory soap at time would be shipped by boat up and down the rivers, etc. and as they were unloaded on the docks they started putting in chalk stars, moons or other things to separate their shipments from other shipments that were on the same boat.
    As an aside it’s a same sort of thing is done as identifiers on Russian manufactured tanks to tell where they’re coming from or where they’re going to etc.
    The correspondence included the History of how the symbol developed with some inserts perhaps five or six explaining this that or the other thing which might be considered somewhat related to my original question which was extremely simple but they never answered the question directly.
     Because of the “million words“ they used, most people, even the great majority of people, would assume they did answer the question but they probably couldn’t tell you what the answer was, but the impression was that Procter & Gamble was not involved in any satanic activity.
    I try to never ever assume a persons motive, or their intentions or their knowledge or lack of knowledge unless they have a gun pointed at me and cackling like Vice President Kamila Harris For no apparent reason.
    After studying the materials at Procter & Gamble sent me, It became quite clear that they were deliberately being ambiguous so as not to say anything at all while leaving the impression that they were not involved in the satanic activity.
    My guess was that since their headquarters was in Cincinnati Ohio right on the river between Ohio and Kentucky, they have people of all religions creeds and ideas, and somewhere in their organization there might be a group of employees that are part of the satanic cult, but not part of their business.
    Just a guess.
    No more.
    The fact is, and all I can say about it is this is when in the middle of a national and international controversy about this exact issue,  when directly asked a direct and unambiguous question, they waffled and never denied satanic influence association or involvement.
    And it was quite clear to me they deliberately did this.
    It’s like when a politician is asked a simple yes or no question, and the reply is so long, rambling, and manipulative that you don’t even want to ask a follow-up question because you don’t wanna have to go through that again.
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    Witness got a reaction from Pudgy in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    Remember, Ray (R.) Franz, was a GB member.  
    Ray Franz, “In Search of Christian Freedom” – "I have seen people very greatly harmed by the false urgency surrounding the 1975 predictions, with some undergoing extreme emotional stress, families facing enduring economic strain for years, men who had given up good jobs having bouts with alcoholism due to the difficulty in finding new employment, elderly persons who faced a bleak future due to using insurance or similar funds prematurely, persons whose physical health was seriously damaged due to putting off surgery or other treatment.  If the sacrifice had been for truth, for God, for a noble purpose, then it would be worth it. But it was due to a mental concoction (Col 2:8) originating with one person and then promulgated by an organization and it ended in nothing, proved a complete fiction.
    They may try to shrug it off, but the responsibility for all this rests with those who gave birth to the false hopes, who stirred up and excited illusionary expectations”  (p. 567)
     
     
    Ray Franz, “In Search of Christian Freedom”, p. 425  – "The organization seeks to robe itself in the awesome role of a prophet of God and claim the deference that such a prophetic office merits.  Yet it disclaims the responsibility for accuracy that goes with the office.
    If confronted with God’s words at Deuteronomy 18:20-22 about such prophetic accuracy, it presumes to set this aside as not applying to it in its role of a “genuine prophet”, and “authentic prophet class”.  By what right does it do so?  Does merely saying, “Well, we’re all imperfect”, excuse the organization from having that Biblical standard of a genuine prophet applied?    It asks its adherents to disregard its past trail, which is strewn with unfulfilled predications and now-rejected erroneous interpretations, and to continue to put near reverential trust in what it publishes, granting it the dignity and honor and credence due a prophet of God.  Instead of feeling humbled by the clear evidence of its erratic, zigzagging course, it becomes more strident in its claims, more dogmatic as to its pronouncements.  Is this the course of a “genuine prophet” of God?
    When “the Assyrian” attacks, the elders must be absolutely convinced that Jehovah will deliver us. (3) At that time, the life-saving direction that we receive from Jehovah’s organization may not appear practical from a human standpoint. All of us must be ready to obey any instructions we may receive, whether these appear sound from a strategic or human standpoint or not.   W 13/11/15 p. 20
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    Remember, Ray (R.) Franz, was a GB member.  
    Ray Franz, “In Search of Christian Freedom” – "I have seen people very greatly harmed by the false urgency surrounding the 1975 predictions, with some undergoing extreme emotional stress, families facing enduring economic strain for years, men who had given up good jobs having bouts with alcoholism due to the difficulty in finding new employment, elderly persons who faced a bleak future due to using insurance or similar funds prematurely, persons whose physical health was seriously damaged due to putting off surgery or other treatment.  If the sacrifice had been for truth, for God, for a noble purpose, then it would be worth it. But it was due to a mental concoction (Col 2:8) originating with one person and then promulgated by an organization and it ended in nothing, proved a complete fiction.
    They may try to shrug it off, but the responsibility for all this rests with those who gave birth to the false hopes, who stirred up and excited illusionary expectations”  (p. 567)
     
     
    Ray Franz, “In Search of Christian Freedom”, p. 425  – "The organization seeks to robe itself in the awesome role of a prophet of God and claim the deference that such a prophetic office merits.  Yet it disclaims the responsibility for accuracy that goes with the office.
    If confronted with God’s words at Deuteronomy 18:20-22 about such prophetic accuracy, it presumes to set this aside as not applying to it in its role of a “genuine prophet”, and “authentic prophet class”.  By what right does it do so?  Does merely saying, “Well, we’re all imperfect”, excuse the organization from having that Biblical standard of a genuine prophet applied?    It asks its adherents to disregard its past trail, which is strewn with unfulfilled predications and now-rejected erroneous interpretations, and to continue to put near reverential trust in what it publishes, granting it the dignity and honor and credence due a prophet of God.  Instead of feeling humbled by the clear evidence of its erratic, zigzagging course, it becomes more strident in its claims, more dogmatic as to its pronouncements.  Is this the course of a “genuine prophet” of God?
    When “the Assyrian” attacks, the elders must be absolutely convinced that Jehovah will deliver us. (3) At that time, the life-saving direction that we receive from Jehovah’s organization may not appear practical from a human standpoint. All of us must be ready to obey any instructions we may receive, whether these appear sound from a strategic or human standpoint or not.   W 13/11/15 p. 20
     
     
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