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Witness reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in Bible Prophecy and 2034. Will you gain spiritual discernment to become a Survivor of the Last Days?
Are you frightened to give the TRUE reason that YHWH will cut the time short ?
Matthew 24:22
Berean Literal Bible
And unless those days had been shortened, no flesh would have been saved; but because of the elect, those days will be shortened.
God will shorten the time for the sake of the Chosen ones. But JWs just do not like it that the Chosen as so much more important than the earthly ones.
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Witness got a reaction from Chioke Lin in Bible Prophecy and 2034. Will you gain spiritual discernment to become a Survivor of the Last Days?
As others here state, let scripture interpret scripture. Revelation tells us who the victims are in this flood, and what the flood is.
Rev 12:15 - From his mouth the serpent spewed water like a river flowing after the woman, to sweep her away with a flood.
What comes out of the mouth of Satan?
“You are of your father the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he tells a lie, he speaks from his own nature, because he is a liar and the father of lies.” John 8:44
Who is the woman that is the target of the flood of lies?
“These things are being taken figuratively, for the women represent two covenants”. Gal 4:24
“But the Jerusalem above is free, and she is our mother”.
New Jerusalem has as its members those under the New Covenant – promise – “woman”; the anointed members of Christ’s body. (Luke 22:19,20; 1 Cor 12:12)
Obviously, Wt’s teaching that the “woman” is God’s physical heavenly organization of angels, is a lie.
The only way Satan can “flood” the anointed with lies is through his ministers. (2 Cor 11:13-15; 1 Tim 4:1) Through demonic expressions, he breathes his lies onto the “kings of the earth” – THE KINGS BELONGING TO JESUS, not the rulers of this world. (Rev 1:5; 5:9,10)
If this is downvoted because I say this with scriptural proof, then you...are the liar, rebelling against the word of God as to whom the "kings of the earth" reference in Revelation.
“Then I saw three unclean spirits (“spirits of demons”) that looked like frogs coming out of the mouth of the dragon, out of the mouth of the beast, (organization Rev 13:1,2) and out of the mouth of the false prophet (Governing Body Rev 13:11,12) 14 For they are the spirits of the demons performing signs who go out to the kings of the earth to bring them together for the battle that will take place on the great day of God, the All-Powerful.”
The anointed were brought together under one organization, which tells them to submit to the rulership of the elder body/Beast from the Sea, and the GB Beast from the Earth. Rev chapter 13 They have been replaced by the elders as “priests”. Ezek 44:6-9; 1 Cor 3:16,17; 2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1,2
“For just like the days of Noah were, so the coming of the Son of Man will be. 38 For in those days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day Noah entered the ark. 39 And they knew nothing until the flood (of lies) came and took them all away” Matt 24:37-39
Eating, drinking, marrying and believing they have “The Best Life Ever”, with spiritual peace and security in the organization.
1 Thess 5:3 – “Now when they are saying, “There is peace and security,” then sudden destruction comes on them, like labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will surely not escape.”
Rev 12:4 - "Now the dragon’s tail swept away a third of the stars (Dan 8:10,11) in heaven and hurled them to the earth. Then the dragon stood before the woman who was about to give birth, so that he might devour her child as soon as it was born."
Each anointed who represents, and are “children” of the New covenant “woman” promise, must “give birth” in agony, which is the result of the great tribulation that comes upon them by Satan and his two beasts. Only a few escape the flood waters – the “remaining ones of the woman’s seed”. And although no longer under the rule of the organization, Satan still 'wages war' against them. Rev 12:7 (Isa 26:17; Matt 24:8; Luke 17:35-37; Rev 12:6,17) https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isa+26%3A17%3B+Matt+24%3A8%3B+Luke+17%3A35-37%3B+Rev+12%3A6%2C17&version=NET
That war is Armageddon, a battle of truth against lies. Rev 12:7
"Stars" represent "Israel" under covenant; and the anointed under Christ. Gen 22:17; Rom 9:8; 4:28; Rev 1:16,20
“The arrival of the lawless one will be by Satan’s working with all kinds of miracles and signs and false wonders, 10 and with every kind of evil deception directed against those who are perishing, because they found no place in their hearts for the truth so as to be saved. Consequently God sends on them a deluding influence so that they will believe what is false. 12 And so all of them who have not believed the truth but have delighted in evil will be condemned.” 2 Thess 2:9-12
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Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in What's going on in Ukraine 🇺🇦???
@Patiently waiting for Truth's expectations are not as far-fetched as you believe. God expects truth to be taught by those who are Christ's ambassadors. (2 Cor 5:20) Is His brush broad and judgmental? Would an honest diplomat of a country slander the words of the leader he is representing, by twisting his words to convey a message altogether different than what he sent his ambassador to proclaim?
A liar among God's people is a much more serious transgression than a ruling liar in the political world.
"There are six things that the Lord hates, seven that are an abomination to him: haughty eyes, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked plans, feet that make haste to run to evil, a false witness who breathes out lies, and one who sows discord among brothers." Prov 6:16-19
Were JWs never partakers in false witnessing the generation doctrine; or maybe the 1975 date of Armageddon (just to name a few).
John 4:10 - Jesus answered, “If you knew the gift of God, and who is saying to you, ‘Give me a drink,’ you would ask him, and he would give you living water.”
John 4:14 – “but whoever drinks of the water that I will give him shall never thirst; but the water that I will give him will become in him a well of water springing up to eternal life.”
John 14:6 – I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
John 7:38 - The one who believes in me, as the Scripture has said, will have streams of living water flow from deep within him.”
Prov 18:4 - The words of a man’s mouth are deep waters; The fountain of wisdom is a bubbling brook.
Matt 7:7,8 – “Ask, and it will be given to you. Seek, and you will find. Knock, and the door will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives, and the one who seeks finds, and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened.”
There is nothing impure that comes from Jesus Christ. He expects us to ask for “living water”. Men taint this “living water” that we see in God’s word with their own ideas; thus, as long as JWs remain with the men who have muddied and poisoned the living water of truth, (Heb 12:15; Rev 8:10-11)with their continuous changed and failed doctrine, as well as their established lies, it is as you say; you will never find the truth from God and Christ "in this world".
Prov 25:26 - "A righteous person who yields to the wicked is like a muddied spring or a polluted well."
Luke 6:45 - "A good man brings good things out of the good stored up in his heart, and an evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in his heart. For the mouth speaks what the heart is full of."
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Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Posts moved from a recent topic about a J.F.Rutherford book
I am convinced that whatever you use to validate your claim; whether it’s scripture or whether you use Wt’s quotes to validate their own belief system, you’ll get a downvote. You could tell some people here that the sky is blue and the grass is green, but simply because it comes out of the “wrong” mouth, you get a downvote. They are like three-year-olds that say “no” everything.
But it’s far worse than that. They slander with words of emptiness, indicating that they would rather not hear authentic truth. They would rather cover their ears and believe in their confusion, and call you, the condemned one. (Zech 7:8-12; 2 Thess 2:10)
Take for instance, the quote below. Will they read it and comprehend it? Maybe, and then reject it. Why? Because it is I who posted it? Because, they don’t believe that their organization made false predictions...ever? Because, according to historical facts, it makes them uncomfortable to entertain the thought that their people are not really God’s faithful people, according to the quote? Because they put the blame on others like their leaders, so they are not responsible for following them? (Ezek 13:9; 2 Tim 4:3,4)
They won’t “go there”; they can’t process incoming truth, which is called spiritual drunkenness. (Isa 24:20; Job 12:25; John 12:40; Rev 18:3-8) And Satan who provides just enough “truth” to convince them that they are in God's organization, makes sure that they choose the lie, over any small morsels of truth that may be left in Wt’s teachings. (Rev 16:13-16)
“True, there have been those in times past who predicted an “end to the world,” even announcing a specific date. Some have gathered groups of people with them and fled to the hills or withdrawn into their houses waiting for the end. Yet, nothing happened. The “end” did not come. There were guilty of false prophesying. Why? What was missing?
Missing was the full measure of evidence required in fulfillment of Bible prophesy. Missing from such people were God’s truths and the evidence that he was guiding and using them.” Awake, 10/8/1968
What is this entire magazine’s forecast?
“What Will the 70’s Bring?”
JWs will not access God's word to help them analyze what it true and what is false. They listen instead, to the very leaders who have led them astray with doctrine of men, time after time after time.
And they love it that way. It's comfortable. (1 Thess 5:3) They see the results of their obedience to men, by progression in status with the organization, or by their remaining in "good standing" with fellow believers. Those are immediate blessings of this life; far more important than the life to come. (2 Cor 11:13-15,19,20)
"The prophets prophesy lies, the priests rule by their own authority, and my people love it this way. But what will you do in the end?" Jer 5:31
How to Identify True Prophets
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Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Posts moved from a recent topic about a J.F.Rutherford book
I am convinced that whatever you use to validate your claim; whether it’s scripture or whether you use Wt’s quotes to validate their own belief system, you’ll get a downvote. You could tell some people here that the sky is blue and the grass is green, but simply because it comes out of the “wrong” mouth, you get a downvote. They are like three-year-olds that say “no” everything.
But it’s far worse than that. They slander with words of emptiness, indicating that they would rather not hear authentic truth. They would rather cover their ears and believe in their confusion, and call you, the condemned one. (Zech 7:8-12; 2 Thess 2:10)
Take for instance, the quote below. Will they read it and comprehend it? Maybe, and then reject it. Why? Because it is I who posted it? Because, they don’t believe that their organization made false predictions...ever? Because, according to historical facts, it makes them uncomfortable to entertain the thought that their people are not really God’s faithful people, according to the quote? Because they put the blame on others like their leaders, so they are not responsible for following them? (Ezek 13:9; 2 Tim 4:3,4)
They won’t “go there”; they can’t process incoming truth, which is called spiritual drunkenness. (Isa 24:20; Job 12:25; John 12:40; Rev 18:3-8) And Satan who provides just enough “truth” to convince them that they are in God's organization, makes sure that they choose the lie, over any small morsels of truth that may be left in Wt’s teachings. (Rev 16:13-16)
“True, there have been those in times past who predicted an “end to the world,” even announcing a specific date. Some have gathered groups of people with them and fled to the hills or withdrawn into their houses waiting for the end. Yet, nothing happened. The “end” did not come. There were guilty of false prophesying. Why? What was missing?
Missing was the full measure of evidence required in fulfillment of Bible prophesy. Missing from such people were God’s truths and the evidence that he was guiding and using them.” Awake, 10/8/1968
What is this entire magazine’s forecast?
“What Will the 70’s Bring?”
JWs will not access God's word to help them analyze what it true and what is false. They listen instead, to the very leaders who have led them astray with doctrine of men, time after time after time.
And they love it that way. It's comfortable. (1 Thess 5:3) They see the results of their obedience to men, by progression in status with the organization, or by their remaining in "good standing" with fellow believers. Those are immediate blessings of this life; far more important than the life to come. (2 Cor 11:13-15,19,20)
"The prophets prophesy lies, the priests rule by their own authority, and my people love it this way. But what will you do in the end?" Jer 5:31
How to Identify True Prophets
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Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in Posts moved from a recent topic about a J.F.Rutherford book
Ex-JWs are very different individuals. From activists to completely passive individuals. Some have become atheists or agnostics. They, all observed together, are not organized. Thus, as such, they could hardly be considered a united and organized "coalition" operating independently or under the auspices of an established religion or "Babylon the Great".
Any organized religion, WTJWorg is certainly an organized organization, has a higher chance of becoming an “Organized Apostate Society” than some individuals.
This is proved both by the examples of the Old Israeli Assembly and by the example of the First Christian Assembly. Both became Apostate Religions.
So you really have nothing to brag about, nor to assign such “titles” to others.
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Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in Posts moved from a recent topic about a J.F.Rutherford book
According to WTJWorg interpretations "false religion":
The Bible’s answer
Babylon the Great, described in the book of Revelation, is the world’s collective body of false religions, which God rejects. * (Revelation 14:8; 17:5; 18:21) Although those religions differ in many respects, in one way or another they all lead people away from the worship of the true God, Jehovah.—Deuteronomy 4:35. ............ Babylon the Great is a religious entity, not a political or commercial one. - https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/babylon-the-great/
Also:
False religion still continued to flourish and function, as it had done in ancient Babylon, but in relation to Jehovah’s Witnesses, Babylon the Great had fallen in 1919. They were free from Babylonish restraint! - https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1989320
Two things are obvious from your publications. Religion, the "world's collective body", has nothing to do with political forces. Religion is subordinate to the UN and the "coalition of nations". According to your interpretation, JWs are beyond any spiritual or even literal reach of the wrong religion. If the “collective religious body” has no power over you, then how could these ex-JWs have any role in “attacking” the JW ??
Maybe it would be good to ask the authors of your publications what is the meaning of the words they wrote? Your victories in the courts of freedom of action speak in favor of the fact that “wrong religion” could never stop you. "False religion", or "apostates", does not have an armed army that will "surround" you in some future, alleged, attack ... at least that's how your video dramas at congresses and pictures in magazines are shown.
Wordplay? Perhaps that is coming from WTJWorg, don't you think?
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Witness got a reaction from Arauna in What's going on in Ukraine 🇺🇦???
Open your eyes, Arauna.
Rev 21:22-24 - "I did not see a temple in it, because the Lord God the Almighty and the Lamb are its temple. 23 The city does not need the sun or the moon to shine on it, because the glory of God illuminates it, and its lamp is the Lamb. 24 The nations will walk by its light, and the kings of the earth will bring their glory into it."
When this battle is all finished, will Jesus choose some of these “kings of the earth” which you call literal rulers of the nations of the world – to serve in the Temple of God? Why would he, when he has his own spiritual, anointed “kings of the earth”?
Rev 1:4-6 “John: To the seven churches in Asia. Grace and peace to you from the one who is, who was, and who is to come, and from the seven spirits before his throne, 5 and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead and the ruler of the kings of the earth. To him who loves us and has set us free from our sins by his blood, 6 and made us a kingdom, priests to his God and Father—to him be glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen.”
That I agree with. The composite “false prophet” GB, (Rev 13:11,12) that misleads the “elect”/”kings of the inhabited earth”, which are the anointed priests, has truly accomplished their goal – to convince JWs that the “kings of the earth” that do battle against the Lamb, are not the kings belonging to Jesus Christ; of which your false teachers/prophets if anointed, are most definitely part of …”kings of the earth”. Are they not? This is why the composite false prophet Beast of Rev. 13:11,12, is from the "earth". (Matt 24:24,25)
The battle is between these kings; who were chosen as the habitation of God’s Spirit. They are His “land”, and His land has always had good kings and bad kings. Nothing has changed, only that the connotation of “kings” is now spiritual. Hos 4:1;1 Cor 3:16; 3:9; Rev 5:9,10
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Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Forced meeting times....a ask for help.
Was it wisdom from God, or men? Did God decide that His anointed priesthood and Temple members (1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17) be replaced by "Gentile" "uncircumcised" men? (Rom 2:28,29) Perhaps you can provide scriptures that supports such wisdom.
"My message and my preaching were not with persuasive words of wisdom, but with a demonstration of the Spirit’s power, so that your faith would not rest on men’s wisdom, but on God’s power. 6 Among the mature, however, we speak a message of wisdom—but not the wisdom of this age or of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing.…" 1 Cor 2:5,6
"But no one is to enter the house of the LORD except the priests and the ministering Levites; they may enter, for they are holy. And all the people are to keep the command of the LORD." 2 Chron 23:6
"So you shall appoint Aaron and his sons that they may *keep their priesthood, but the *layman who comes near shall be put to death." Num 3:10
Whenever men or idols found their way into the "holy place", it was called an abomination, a disgusting thing. (Ezek 8:6; Dan 12:11; Matt 24:15,16; 2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1,2) God was never pleased when His Temple was defiled. (Ezek 44:6-9)
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Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Posts moved from a recent topic about a J.F.Rutherford book
The organization has a record…
· of false teachings
· of child abuse
· of spousal abuse
· of disfellowshipping
· of shunning
· of breaking up families
· of “trampling” down the anointed priesthood to allow a counterfeit priesthood to be honored. (Matt 24:15,16; 2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1-2)
In such an environment of all-inclusive abuse, where is the love? There is none. Each bullet point is a practice of lawlessness. Jesus fulfilled the law in love. (Rom 13:8-10) Every one of God's commandments are fulfilled in love. (Rom 13:8-10) Then the Wt arrives, creating a different set of laws. Do JWs love their neighbors as themselves? They easily shun their neighbors when men wielding authority over them, tell them they must. Half of the time they don’t even know why they must shun their neighbor. The just do it, out of subjection to men. (Isa 2:22; Col 2:20-22) How many times has the guilty been considered the innocent ones in cases of abuse? How many times are the women disfellowshipped while their elder husbands remain in good standing, when it was the elder who was guilty of adultery? (Prov 24:24-25; 29:7; Isa 1:17)
JWs’ leaders have rejected the words of Jesus by replacing them with their own - the doctrine of men. Yes! You can’t say you follow the doctrine of Jesus Christ and mix it with your own! (Deut 4:2; Gal 1:8) There is only one way, and one truth. (John 14:6) It doesn’t include the laws/doctrine of men. Why do JWs exalt uninspired men and their word, over the words of God and Jesus Christ? WHERE has that been condoned in the word of God?
And no, simply because of this situation, dear Pudgy, the Wt will not thrive. Instead...expect the least expected, in the opposite way that you may be entertaining by your example of “chapter 3”. God will not mold the organization according to His ways. He will not mold people who don’t care to serve Him in love. He turns only to the hearts who call out for justice and mercy. (2 Chron 16:9;Prov 28:5; Ps 37:27-29; Isa 51:4-5;Heb 10:30)
“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. 22 Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness.’ Matt 7:21-23
This man’s story linked is widely available now. Every JW should listen to it, and if they have genuine love in their heart, they will be moved to question their organization’s teachings. They may even be moved to ask God why their organization does not practice love. (Rev 18:4-8)
For a certain, I will be told I am "malignant", stupid, crazy, demonic, etc., etc.; yet I will be upholding the Word of God and not Wt. doctrine. Jesus upheld God's word, and for that he was told he had lost his mind, and he had a demon. Interesting, isn't it, how history repeats itself? He was killed by his people. For those of us who leave the organization and uphold the teachings of Jesus Christ, we experience the same shunning, and are given the same labels as he received. We lose loved ones, just as he predicted. (Mark 10:28-30) These people who reject false teachings, are "killed" by their own people through disfellowshipping. (John 16:2; Rev 13:15)
“They bend their tongues like their bows;
Lies and not truth prevail in the land;
For they proceed from evil to evil,
And they do not know Me,” declares the Lord.
4 “Let everyone be on guard against his neighbor,
And do not trust any brother;
Because every brother utterly betrays,
And every neighbor goes about as a slanderer.
5 Everyone deceives his neighbor
And does not speak the truth.
They have taught their tongue to speak lies;
They weary themselves committing wrongdoing.
6 Your dwelling is in the midst of deceit;
Through deceit they refuse to know Me,” declares the Lord. Jer 9:3-6
"So, let us go out to Him outside the camp, bearing His reproach. For here we do not have a lasting city, but we are seeking the city which is to come." Heb 13:13,14
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Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Posts moved from a recent topic about a J.F.Rutherford book
The organization has a record…
· of false teachings
· of child abuse
· of spousal abuse
· of disfellowshipping
· of shunning
· of breaking up families
· of “trampling” down the anointed priesthood to allow a counterfeit priesthood to be honored. (Matt 24:15,16; 2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1-2)
In such an environment of all-inclusive abuse, where is the love? There is none. Each bullet point is a practice of lawlessness. Jesus fulfilled the law in love. (Rom 13:8-10) Every one of God's commandments are fulfilled in love. (Rom 13:8-10) Then the Wt arrives, creating a different set of laws. Do JWs love their neighbors as themselves? They easily shun their neighbors when men wielding authority over them, tell them they must. Half of the time they don’t even know why they must shun their neighbor. The just do it, out of subjection to men. (Isa 2:22; Col 2:20-22) How many times has the guilty been considered the innocent ones in cases of abuse? How many times are the women disfellowshipped while their elder husbands remain in good standing, when it was the elder who was guilty of adultery? (Prov 24:24-25; 29:7; Isa 1:17)
JWs’ leaders have rejected the words of Jesus by replacing them with their own - the doctrine of men. Yes! You can’t say you follow the doctrine of Jesus Christ and mix it with your own! (Deut 4:2; Gal 1:8) There is only one way, and one truth. (John 14:6) It doesn’t include the laws/doctrine of men. Why do JWs exalt uninspired men and their word, over the words of God and Jesus Christ? WHERE has that been condoned in the word of God?
And no, simply because of this situation, dear Pudgy, the Wt will not thrive. Instead...expect the least expected, in the opposite way that you may be entertaining by your example of “chapter 3”. God will not mold the organization according to His ways. He will not mold people who don’t care to serve Him in love. He turns only to the hearts who call out for justice and mercy. (2 Chron 16:9;Prov 28:5; Ps 37:27-29; Isa 51:4-5;Heb 10:30)
“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. 22 Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness.’ Matt 7:21-23
This man’s story linked is widely available now. Every JW should listen to it, and if they have genuine love in their heart, they will be moved to question their organization’s teachings. They may even be moved to ask God why their organization does not practice love. (Rev 18:4-8)
For a certain, I will be told I am "malignant", stupid, crazy, demonic, etc., etc.; yet I will be upholding the Word of God and not Wt. doctrine. Jesus upheld God's word, and for that he was told he had lost his mind, and he had a demon. Interesting, isn't it, how history repeats itself? He was killed by his people. For those of us who leave the organization and uphold the teachings of Jesus Christ, we experience the same shunning, and are given the same labels as he received. We lose loved ones, just as he predicted. (Mark 10:28-30) These people who reject false teachings, are "killed" by their own people through disfellowshipping. (John 16:2; Rev 13:15)
“They bend their tongues like their bows;
Lies and not truth prevail in the land;
For they proceed from evil to evil,
And they do not know Me,” declares the Lord.
4 “Let everyone be on guard against his neighbor,
And do not trust any brother;
Because every brother utterly betrays,
And every neighbor goes about as a slanderer.
5 Everyone deceives his neighbor
And does not speak the truth.
They have taught their tongue to speak lies;
They weary themselves committing wrongdoing.
6 Your dwelling is in the midst of deceit;
Through deceit they refuse to know Me,” declares the Lord. Jer 9:3-6
"So, let us go out to Him outside the camp, bearing His reproach. For here we do not have a lasting city, but we are seeking the city which is to come." Heb 13:13,14
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Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Posts moved from a recent topic about a J.F.Rutherford book
You've just described spiritual drunkenness that the Bible addresses when God's people under covenant teach false doctrines and the commands of men.
Isa 29:9-14; 28:7-9,15; Jer 13:12-16; Prov 29:12; Matt 24:48-51; Hab 2:15-16; Rev 17:1-2; 18:2-3,9-10
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isa+29%3A9-14%3B+28%3A7-9%2C15%3B+Jer+13%3A12-16%3B+Prov+29%3A12%3B+Matt+24%3A48-51%3B+Hab+2%3A15-16%3B+Rev+17%3A1-2%3B+18%3A2-3%2C9-10&version=NASB
Then the Lord said,
“Because this people approaches Me with their words
And honors Me with their lips,
But their heart is far away from Me,
And their reverence for Me consists of the commandment of men that is taught;
Therefore behold, I will once again deal marvelously with this people, wondrously marvelous;
And the wisdom of their wise men will perish,
And the understanding of their men who have understanding will be concealed.” Isa 29:13-14
It is from pure spiritual drunkenness, pervasive in the organization, that JWs remain incognizant to the severity before God, of Wt's record of falsehoods and the doctrine of men, laced throughout their teachings. In fact their reaction is flippant, having no respect for what is truth and what is a lie, according to the Father and the Son.
Is the GB truly the "faithful slave" serving food at the proper time?
"Words from the mouth of a wise person are gracious, while the lips of a fool consume him; 13 the beginning of his talking is foolishness, and the end of it is evil insanity. 14 Yet the fool multiplies words. No person knows what will happen, and who can tell him what will come after him?
15 The labor of a fool makes him so weary that he does not even know how to go to a city. 16 Woe to you, land whose king is a boy, and whose princes feast in the morning.
17 Blessed are you, land whose king is of nobility, (Jesus Christ) and whose princes eat at the appropriate time—for strength and not for drunkenness. " Eccl 10:12-17
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Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Posts moved from a recent topic about a J.F.Rutherford book
Of course the foundation is Christ, but that belief system will never establish itself within the organization.
“Like those in Christendom, the early Bible Students mistakenly allowed their love for Jesus to overshadow their relationship with Jehovah. Beginning in 1919, however, they came to see that Jehovah and their relationship with him should be the focus of their worship. We can be thankful that we understand that our affection for Jesus is key to having a relationship with Jehovah. We must attach neither too much nor too little importance to our love for Jesus.—John 16:27. W 4/2022 study article #17
This sounds to me that Wt’s “foundation in Christ” is on shaky ground. It must be that way, because the teachings of men will always take precedence.
The definition of love for Christ in the paragraph, is a teaching of men, and not of God. Love for either the Father or the Son cannot be gauged by the Wt. (Matt 15:9) But the leadership will continue to manage another's faith; and in that way, their organization will never allow a foundation in Christ to develop within one's heart.
“The one who has my commands and keeps them is the one who loves me. And the one who loves me will be loved by my Father. I also will love him and will reveal myself to him.” John 14:21
Did the apostles feel the need to constrain themselves when expressing their love for Jesus?
“For the love of Christ controls us, having concluded this, that one died for all, therefore all died; 15 and He died for all, so that those who live would no longer live for themselves, but for Him who died and rose on their behalf.” 2 Cor 5:14,15
Since your leaders deem it necessary to reach out and control one’s love for Jesus Christ, who is it that has no love for him? Who loves their organization more than Jesus Christ?
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Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Posts moved from a recent topic about a J.F.Rutherford book
Of course the foundation is Christ, but that belief system will never establish itself within the organization.
“Like those in Christendom, the early Bible Students mistakenly allowed their love for Jesus to overshadow their relationship with Jehovah. Beginning in 1919, however, they came to see that Jehovah and their relationship with him should be the focus of their worship. We can be thankful that we understand that our affection for Jesus is key to having a relationship with Jehovah. We must attach neither too much nor too little importance to our love for Jesus.—John 16:27. W 4/2022 study article #17
This sounds to me that Wt’s “foundation in Christ” is on shaky ground. It must be that way, because the teachings of men will always take precedence.
The definition of love for Christ in the paragraph, is a teaching of men, and not of God. Love for either the Father or the Son cannot be gauged by the Wt. (Matt 15:9) But the leadership will continue to manage another's faith; and in that way, their organization will never allow a foundation in Christ to develop within one's heart.
“The one who has my commands and keeps them is the one who loves me. And the one who loves me will be loved by my Father. I also will love him and will reveal myself to him.” John 14:21
Did the apostles feel the need to constrain themselves when expressing their love for Jesus?
“For the love of Christ controls us, having concluded this, that one died for all, therefore all died; 15 and He died for all, so that those who live would no longer live for themselves, but for Him who died and rose on their behalf.” 2 Cor 5:14,15
Since your leaders deem it necessary to reach out and control one’s love for Jesus Christ, who is it that has no love for him? Who loves their organization more than Jesus Christ?
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Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Posts moved from a recent topic about a J.F.Rutherford book
Sir, clutching at straws is when your leaders pull up the names and select actions of past leaders. Isn’t that what the Warwick Museum has accomplished? Do your leaders not “live in the past” by devoting an entire museum to their history? Today’s leaders highlight only what present JWs are allowed to know about them; defending what seems harmless, and ignoring the damage they caused to the people who listened to them when they led them astray with false doctrines. THAT is a sad life, when the organization’s history has to be strained of all embarrassment to make it palatable.
If one truly reads the Bible, would they come to the conclusion that God dismisses false doctrines? (Dan 9:11-14) Or, would they realize that God does not tolerate His people to create illusions and false teachings…and along with these wayward ideas, then say these people represent the true God? (Deut 18:20-22)
“Then the LORD said to me, “The prophets are prophesying lies in my name. I have not sent them or appointed them or spoken to them. They are prophesying to you false visions, divinations, idolatries and the delusions of their own minds.
Therefore this is what the LORD says about the prophets who are prophesying in my name: I did not send them, yet they are saying, ‘No sword or famine will touch this land.’ Those same prophets will perish by sword and famine.” Jer 14:14,15; Rev 6:7,8; 1 Thess 5:3
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Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Posts moved from a recent topic about a J.F.Rutherford book
Sir, clutching at straws is when your leaders pull up the names and select actions of past leaders. Isn’t that what the Warwick Museum has accomplished? Do your leaders not “live in the past” by devoting an entire museum to their history? Today’s leaders highlight only what present JWs are allowed to know about them; defending what seems harmless, and ignoring the damage they caused to the people who listened to them when they led them astray with false doctrines. THAT is a sad life, when the organization’s history has to be strained of all embarrassment to make it palatable.
If one truly reads the Bible, would they come to the conclusion that God dismisses false doctrines? (Dan 9:11-14) Or, would they realize that God does not tolerate His people to create illusions and false teachings…and along with these wayward ideas, then say these people represent the true God? (Deut 18:20-22)
“Then the LORD said to me, “The prophets are prophesying lies in my name. I have not sent them or appointed them or spoken to them. They are prophesying to you false visions, divinations, idolatries and the delusions of their own minds.
Therefore this is what the LORD says about the prophets who are prophesying in my name: I did not send them, yet they are saying, ‘No sword or famine will touch this land.’ Those same prophets will perish by sword and famine.” Jer 14:14,15; Rev 6:7,8; 1 Thess 5:3
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Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Posts moved from a recent topic about a J.F.Rutherford book
"Brothers and sisters, consider your calling: Not many were wise from a human perspective, not many powerful, not many of noble birth. 27 Instead, God has chosen what is foolish in the world to shame the wise, and God has chosen what is weak in the world to shame the strong. 28 God has chosen what is insignificant and despised in the world—what is viewed as nothing—to bring to nothing what is viewed as something, 29 so that no one may boast in his presence. 30 It is from him that you are in Christ Jesus, who became wisdom from God for us—our righteousness, sanctification, and redemption— 31 in order that, as it is written: Let the one who boasts, boast in the Lord." 1 Cor 1:26-31
Not in themselves by stating they are indeed "faithful and discreet"; and not in an earthly organization.
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Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Russell's Brooklyn Tabernacle
A recent headline on exjw reddit reads, “Russell’s pyramid monument was actually erected as a 'memorial to the Society'. It was in the exact center of the Bethel burial lot.”
He or she quotes from the “I.B.S.A” Convention Report found on page 7 of this link: https://archive.org/.../1919BibleStud.../page/n4/mode/1up...
JWs may say, “but that was a long time ago, and we don’t believe in “God’s Great Stone Witness” anymore. We’ve had new light”, which came from Judge Rutherford:
"Then Satan put his knowledge in dead stone, which may be called Satan's Bible, and not God's stone witness. In erecting the pyramid, of course, Satan would put in it some truth, because that is his method of practicing fraud and deceit." Wt 1928 11/15 p. 344
Still, the replicated stone pyramid at Russell’s gravesite, remained until recently removed because of vandalism. Has it really been that long since Russel died? My grandfather died at age 91 when I was 12 years old. He was born in 1877 and was 39 years old at Russell's death. Putting into perspective the convergence of lifespans, and comparing Wt’s existence against the expansive history that we have in the Bible, it has been only a ‘little while’, since the Society/organization had its beginnings; a ‘short time’ of teachings that have kept God’s anointed captivated to any “new light” lurking around the corner, just waiting to be discovered. (Rev 20:3,7-9; 12:12; Luke 21:20; Col 2:8; Rev 13:10)
What I find interesting is that CT Russell is said to be in heaven, according to GB Splane, and overseeing the production of “fruit”; publications full of teachings that have been developed and taught over the years, as well as the progress made by the organization as a whole. (Matt 7:15-20) Russell has apparently approved of all “spiritual food” produced; otherwise, why would it have been published? This includes the predictions that never came to fruition; and those archaic teachings that cannot be referred to by recent converts in the organization today. (Eccl 12:11-12; Deut 18:20; Ezek 13:6-9; 2 Pet 2:1-3)
For all his falsehoods, which the deceived hearts of JWs easily dismiss, the man is still revered for his great work of spreading the “good news”. Although it is understood that he was anointed, a “living stone” of the Temple of God, and who apparently is now serving as a priest under Christ (1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16), he is honored as a foundation stone of what soon after, became known as the Wt. organization. The scriptures prove that this is the home of the “man of lawlessness”, which has trampled down the “remaining ones of the woman’s seed”. (Luke 6:26; 1 Cor 4:10; 2 Tim 2:19) (Mark 13:22; Rom 1:24-25; Rev 13:1,2,4,7; Dan 11:31; Matt 24:15,16; 2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1,2; 12:13,15,17)
Russell, a man said to be blessed by God with eternal life and “kingship” in Jesus Christ (Rev 5:9,10), purchased the previously called “Plymouth Bethel” in Brooklyn, and named it, “Brooklyn Tabernacle”, or what came to be called at a later date, the “Watchtower Bible and Tract Society”.
In Russell’s “tabernacle” was an operating office, and “a small printery, stock and shipping departments” (w 1955/3/1 p.140,141) From there, it seems that the “law” or doctrine of men was born, inspired, and began to establish strength down to this day. A modern-day idol was being formed. (Mark 7:7,8; Col 2:20-22; Exod 20:3-6; Ezek 14:1-3; Rev 9:1-4;13:1,2,11,12)
Acts 7:44 – “Our ancestors had the tabernacle of the covenant law with them in the wilderness. It had been made as God directed Moses, according to the pattern he had seen.”
In Heb 8:5, we see that warning given to Moses when he ready to build the tabernacle - "See to it that you make everything according to the pattern shown you on the mountain."
The ancient tabernacle was the dwelling place of God’s Holy Spirit, with Him as its architect. It housed His commandments. Today, it signifies Jesus Christ and his faithful anointed, once sealed in heaven, who have written on their heart, the “laws” of God in Jesus Christ. (Rev 12:5; Eph 2:6; Gal 4:26; Col 2:17; Rev 14:1; 15:5; Mal 2:7; Heb 8:10).
If Russel, who is claimed to be the messenger of Malachi 3:1, was sent by Jesus to cleanse his temple of sin and refine the priesthood in the last days, would he dare blaspheme the meaning of the sacred spiritual tabernacle built on the Body of Jesus Christ, by dedicating a printing outlet in New York, as “Brooklyn Tabernacle”? (Ezek 44:10,12,13; Mal 3:1,3; 1 Pet 2:5; 1 Cor 3:16; 2 Cor 6:15-17; Eph 2:20-22)
What spirit dwelled in that brick building? What spirit dwelled the heart of the man who named it?
1 Tim 4:1 – “But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons.”
He set the stage for the building of an idol that requires one’s faith, dedication and adherence to the doctrine of men. (2 Cor 11:1-4,13-15) Those succeeding heads of the organization appearing after Russell, refer to it as “Zion”, a counterfeit of the Temple/sanctuary of God. (2 Tim 3:13; Rev 13:1,6; Acts 17:24,25,29)
It is not built with God’s Spirit and His truth in Jesus Christ; nor can it lead people to eternal life. (Isa 57:13) It is an idol demonically “inspired” and sustained with the power, dominion and the fleshly greed of men. (Luke 4:5-7; Matt 24:24,25; Col 3:5; Gal 5:17-21; 1 Pet 2:6-8; Rev 13:15-16; 16:13-16)
“The Spirit alone gives eternal life. Human effort accomplishes nothing. And the very words I have spoken to you are spirit and life.” John 6:63
When is Satan's Short Period of Time?
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Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Posts moved from a recent topic about a J.F.Rutherford book
@Thinking - Pearl was a witness and a very nice lady but now teaches demon inspired teachings…I know this for a fact…
Thinking has her wires crossed. Pearl receives letters from JWs regularly asking questions. People can reach her through her blog, and she also posted an email address as a source of contact. It was with one of those methods that Thinking “talked” with Pearl, "personally", not "in person".
Thinking doesn’t know me, and she doesn’t really know Pearl either. Primarily, she doesn't know the difference between truth and a lie.
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Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Posts moved from a recent topic about a J.F.Rutherford book
The conversation on “automatic writing” that Pearl Doxsey was accused of by @Thinking, is here:
On 7/11/2021 at 3:50 PM, Thinking said:
@Thinking - The point is…Pearl has admitted to me personally she does no Bible study…but of course we can all put confidence in Her ….hahahaha….and never know what she is goinng to write as it just flows and comes to her.
I answered: Why don't you ask again, and tell the truth about what you hear. We do Bible study together, we read scriptures together. When I related your accusation that she does automatic writing - "channeling", she said:
“Writes down what is given to him? I don’t do that. I just hear the scriptures in my mind, look them up and give them to the readers. Jesus said that the spirit would recall what Jesus said, and that’s what happens. I receive no direction about what words to write. Only scripture. That’s what makes it laborious. I have to explain how the scriptures fit, if that becomes necessary. No automatic writing here. It’s work.”
Or how about the country? She’s in Australia, I believe. All people who know me online, know what state I live in, at least. Or better yet, she could stop blocking me and tell me in person how she knows me.
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Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Posts moved from a recent topic about a J.F.Rutherford book
"Now in giving these instructions I do not praise you, since you come together not for the better but for the worse. 18 For first of all, when you come together as a church, I hear that there are divisions among you, and in part I believe it. 19 For there must also be factions among you, that those who are approved may be recognized among you." 1 Cor 11:17-19
"For am I now seeking the approval of man, or of God? Or am I trying to please man? If I were still trying to please man, I would not be a servant of Christ." Gal 1:10
"In fact, you even put up with anyone who enslaves you or exploits you or takes advantage of you or exalts himself or strikes you in the face." 2 Cor 11:2
Tell me where "organization" lies in those words? And since the concept of an earthly organization is so important, over and above Jesus' words telling us to worship in "spirit and truth" (John 4:23,24)...
Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers. For what fellowship has righteousness with lawlessness? And what communion has light with darkness? 15 And what accord has Christ with Belial? Or what part has a believer with an unbeliever? 16 And what agreement has the temple of God with idols? For you are the temple of the living God. As God has said:
“I will dwell in them
And walk among them.
I will be their God,
And they shall be My people.”
17 Therefore
“Come out from among them
And be separate, says the Lord.
Do not touch what is unclean,
And I will receive you.”
18 “I will be a Father to you,
And you shall be My sons and daughters,
Says the Lord Almighty.” 2 Cor 6:14-18
These words are specifically addressing the anointed "living stones" of God's Temple, that you have no belief in.
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Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Posts moved from a recent topic about a J.F.Rutherford book
Tom, you don’t realize what he said. Since he has no belief in who are the spirit-anointed “royal priesthood” that he, as an elder (past or present) “represents”, he has also slandered your GB, who profess to be anointed.
He is saying of all Christian organizations represented as “slaves” of Christ, it is the Watchtower organization that IS THE FAITHFUL AND DISCREET SLAVE.
The organization is the F&D slave, not the GB.
And he is a member of your closed group?
In Revelation, a false prophet “exercises authority” over “Satan’s organization” – the Beast from the Sea. (Rev 1,2,11,12)
That organization “makes war” with the saints – the anointed. (Rev 13:5-7) I can hear it in xero’s words. That organization is represented today, by the elder body. Through his words, he has “trampled” down the anointed Temple of God - the anointed "living stones". (1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17; 2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1,2)
When the GB/F&D slave is taken down by the organization it loves – by the elder body and any anointed left within it, (“ten kings”), I will not be surprised if at that point the Wt. calls itself the “faithful and discreet slave”; and the "anointed" GB, is labeled the “wicked slave”. Rev 17:12,13,15-18
Thus, the massive elder body that comprises the Wt., becomes the “faithful and discreet slave”.
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Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Posts moved from a recent topic about a J.F.Rutherford book
When they persecute you in this city, flee to another. For assuredly, I say to you, you will not have gone through the cities of Israel before the Son of Man comes. Matt 10:2
Who is "Israel" today? Rom 9:6-8; Gal 4:26,28; 6:16
The message in the last days is to the anointed and those with them. Rev 18:4-8; 14:6-12
Fear God and give HIM glory - not an organization that spiritual harlots have used to mislead the "elect". (Matt 24:24,25; 1 Tim 4:1; Rev 13:11,12,4,15-17; 17:15)
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Witness got a reaction from Pudgy in Posts moved from a recent topic about a J.F.Rutherford book
If Thinking knows me, then she would know what congregation/congregations I was in as a JW.
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Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Posts moved from a recent topic about a J.F.Rutherford book
I referred to the teachings of "anointed ones in particular".
"Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world." 1 John 4:1
If the teachings of the GB were from God, they would remain - last - not die out. A faithful slave of Christ would not provide a dish of food that would be found rotten within 5 years, one year, or within months. False prophets are recognized by their inability to produce fruit that endures the test of time.
" You didn’t choose me, but I chose you. I have appointed you to go, to produce fruit that will last, and to ask the Father in my name to give you whatever you ask for." John 15:16
Who appointed the GB as the F&D slave? They appointed themselves, out of necessity. They needed full control of the food produced, full control over the lives of everyone in your organization; in particular, the anointed. (Matt 24:48-51) "Food" comes from the "helpers" they have chosen - those of the elder body. Through the restriction of the spiritual lifeline of teachings; written by those not anointed and approved by only 8 men, they have funneled down to JWs, what the scriptures call "vomit". (Isa 28:7-10)
This is why people leave. They are literally "fed up" with being served food that they have "bought" with their service and dedication, only to be disappointed in its rottenness. They recognize that their spiritual health has deteriorated on a diet of vomit. Matt 7:15-20; Rev 13:15-17