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    Witness got a reaction from 4Jah2me in IBSA, ORIGINAL INTERNATIONAL BIBLE STUDENTS.   
    The plot does thicken, but what can we expect with the Watchtower.
    Here's more food for thought, from a few with extraordinary views at times.  It looks like some info you have already found.
    https://www.reddit.com/r/JehovahsWitnesses/comments/89naxc/the_greatest_act_of_apostasy_the_watchtower_owns/?utm_source=amp&utm_medium=&utm_content=post_body
      
     
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    Witness got a reaction from 4Jah2me in 1914   
    Excellent!
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    Witness got a reaction from 4Jah2me in IBSA, ORIGINAL INTERNATIONAL BIBLE STUDENTS.   
    To add to the confusion:
    Corporations outside the United States
    International Bible Students Association
    The International Bible Students Association (IBSA) is a corporate not-for-profit organization used by Jehovah's Witnesses in the United Kingdom for the production and distribution of religious literature. Its stated purpose is "to promote the Christian religion by supporting congregations of Jehovah's Witnesses and others in connection with their spiritual and material welfare in Britain and abroad within the charitable purposes of the Association."[22]
    The IBSA was founded in 1914 as a corporation of the Bible Students by Charles Taze Russell in London, England, and was the first legal corporation representing Russell's ministry in Europe. The Watch Tower Society stated in 1917 that the IBSA, along with its Pennsylvania and New York based corporations "were organized for identical purposes and they harmoniously work together."[23] Other similarly named corporations operate in various countries to promote the interests of Jehovah's Witnesses.[24]
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporations_of_Jehovah's_Witnesses
     
    Also... https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/24472/watchtower-society-evil-slave-proof
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in IBSA, ORIGINAL INTERNATIONAL BIBLE STUDENTS.   
    To add to the confusion:
    Corporations outside the United States
    International Bible Students Association
    The International Bible Students Association (IBSA) is a corporate not-for-profit organization used by Jehovah's Witnesses in the United Kingdom for the production and distribution of religious literature. Its stated purpose is "to promote the Christian religion by supporting congregations of Jehovah's Witnesses and others in connection with their spiritual and material welfare in Britain and abroad within the charitable purposes of the Association."[22]
    The IBSA was founded in 1914 as a corporation of the Bible Students by Charles Taze Russell in London, England, and was the first legal corporation representing Russell's ministry in Europe. The Watch Tower Society stated in 1917 that the IBSA, along with its Pennsylvania and New York based corporations "were organized for identical purposes and they harmoniously work together."[23] Other similarly named corporations operate in various countries to promote the interests of Jehovah's Witnesses.[24]
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporations_of_Jehovah's_Witnesses
     
    Also... https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/24472/watchtower-society-evil-slave-proof
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Little Joe in 1914   
    Excellent!
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    Witness got a reaction from Little Joe in 1914   
    "Conquering" involves battle:
    " And he was given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies, and he was given authority to continue for forty-two months. 6 Then he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme His name, His tabernacle, and those who dwell in heaven. 7 It was granted to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them. And authority was given him over every tribe, tongue, and nation."  Rev 13:5-7
    War using blasphemy - "slander, detraction, speech injurious, to another's good name"
    Such as, "honor" the elders, do not give "honor" to the anointed.  They cannot join together and study as a united group.  Can't you see? Such slander is needed to preserve the wicked slave's power and the organization/idol she currently "rides".  Rev 17:3-6
    And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs coming out of the mouth of the dragon, out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet. 14 For they are spirits of demons, performing signs, which go out to the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty."  Rev 16:13,14
    Those "kings" belong to Christ!  Rev 1:5,6
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Little Joe in 1914   
    The Mark of the Beast of Rev 13:18 is the application of a physical, emotional and spiritual identification of serving and submitting oneself to the Wild Beast; to its mission, teachings by a false prophet that it directs (Beast from the Earth, Rev 13:11,12)  and allowance of its controlling power over an individual. This servitude begins with baptism in the organization; it continues through submission to its philosophies and expectations of only “buying and selling” spiritual “food” that it offers – no matter the quality.  Matt 12:34,35; Rev 13:16,17
    This mark contradicts the identifying mark we should be bearing:
    “Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one. 5 Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength. 6 These commandments that I give you today are to be on your hearts. 7 Impress them on your children. Talk about them when you sit at home and when you walk along the road, when you lie down and when you get up. 8 Tie them as symbols on your hands and bind them on your foreheads. 9 Write them on the doorframes of your houses and on your gates.”  Deut 4:5-8
    Hopefully, you see the difference.  We can’t profess to symbolically tie God’s commandments on our hands and foreheads, and also follow the commands and doctrines of men that have been proven to be wrong.  This is idolatry.  
    The “two witnesses” of Rev 11:3, reject the “mark of the Beast” and are “killed” for doing so. Rev 11:7 They come off “victorious”.  These are the symbolic “two” (meaning truth) anointed witnesses who stand with Christ.  (Zech 4) We cannot be considered victorious about anything, unless we conquer it.
     In your physical view that the UN/nations is the Beast, you would have to accept that a literal death would occur to the literal two anointed ones who had at one point accepted the “mark” of the Beast (which some believe is also literal), and then be physically killed later, for rejecting it.  This is nonsense.
     
    “I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot. I wish you were either one or the other! 16 So, because you are lukewarm—neither hot nor cold—I am about to spit you out of my mouth. 17 You say, ‘I am rich; I have acquired wealth and do not need a thing.’ But you do not realize that you are wretched, pitiful, poor, blind and naked. 18 I counsel you to buy from me gold refined in the fire, so you can become rich; and white clothes to wear, so you can cover your shameful nakedness; and salve to put on your eyes, so you can see.
    19 Those whom I love I rebuke and discipline. So be earnest and repent. 20 Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with that person, and they with me.
    21 To the one who is victorious, I will give the right to sit with me on my throne, just as I was victorious and sat down with my Father on his throne. 22 Whoever has ears, let them hear what the Spirit says to the churches.”  Rev 3:15-22
     Jesus doesn’t offer us material riches, but the riches of Truth and Life.  Those who are wretched and poor, are buying their spiritual food from a false prophet and the organization it directs -  the two Beasts of Revelation.  JWs are content to rely on the Beasts to feed them, instead of Christ. Although they believe they serve only God, and bear His mark, they bear the “mark” of those whom they wholeheartedly support, the earthly endeavors of men and their doctrine.   Matt 6:24; 2 Tim 4:3,4
    To prove that the Beast of Revelation 13:1,2 is the Watchtower and houses JWs, Revelation 15 reveals the victorious ones, who were sensible enough to accept Christ’s discipline and his “gold”,  and remove the “mark of the Beast”:
    I saw in heaven another great and marvelous sign: seven angels with the seven last plagues—last, because with them God’s wrath is completed. 2 And I saw what looked like a sea of glass glowing with fire and, standing beside the sea, those who had been victorious over the beast and its image and over the number of its name. They held harps given them by God 3 and sang the song of God’s servant Moses and of the Lamb:
    “Great and marvelous are your deeds,
        Lord God Almighty.
    Just and true are your ways,
        King of the nations.
    4 Who will not fear you, Lord,
        and bring glory to your name?
    For you alone are holy.
    All nations will come
        and worship before you,
    for your righteous acts have been revealed.”  Rev 15:1-4
     
    All who remove the “mark of the Beast” and turn to Christ, fully accepting his discipline and his truth, bearing only God’s commandments on their forehead and on their hands, profess the True God and the Lamb, as our salvation.
    They reject idolatry:
    Kingdom Ministry 11/1990 p. 1  Directing Bible Students to Jehovah’s Organization 
    "Bible students need to get acquainted with the organization of the “one flock” Jesus spoke about at John 10:16. They must appreciate that identifying themselves with Jehovah’s organization is essential to their salvation. (Rev. 7:9, 10, 15) Therefore, we should start directing our Bible students to the organization as soon as a Bible study is established."  
     
     
     
     http://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2013/05/a-letter-i-received-hi-sister-pearl-i.html
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    Witness got a reaction from Little Joe in 1914   
    Well, you had better get ready for every JW to be taken captive by the United Nations/Beast. Rev 13:10  They will be “captured” by the “empty philosophy” of  the UN and its religious conglomerate.  Col 2:8 
    In your world, that coalition of nations will target and “blaspheme” the Temple/anointed priests, (Rev 13:5)  somehow singling them out of 8 million people,  to “make war” with them. Dan 8:24,11; Rev 13:6   The "saints" will be conquered. Rev 13:7   Yet, before that happens, all JWs will “worship” the United Nations, willingly bearing its mark. Rev 13:16,17 They will say, “Who is like the United Nations, who can fight a war with it?”  Rev 13:4  As you now see, there is a developing cry of “peace and security” by the dual Beasts. It endeavors to proclaim "peace and security" for all who receive its mark.  1 Thess 5:3 
    Since you see things literally, some JWs under its captivity will then stand up to this UN Beast,  and will be physically killed for speaking out against the dual rulership of a false prophet and Beast organization over them. Rev 13:1,2,11,12  Yes, if they reject the identifying mark of the UN Beast, they are killed.   Yet, many JWs will choose to remain with the UN Beast.  Rev 14:9-10; 16:2 
    Can you see THIS coming?  This is the only way it can play out in your literal world.  Can you also tell me how the UN  will become “spirit-directed”? Rev 13:15 
    No other organization touts to be spirit-directed (“spirit breathed”), but the Watchtower. Rev 13:15
    Satan is making his obvious display of prophetic fulfillment in the world, but in the hand he holds behind his back, is the threat that God’s people are already under.  JWs believe they reside in "peace and security".  Your leaders have even written a book about it.  
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in 1914   
    Excellent!
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in 1914   
    Generally said, all teachings that are not approved by God and Jesus are "dangerous" in various levels of danger. Because such teachings not bring people closer to more proper view, perspective on things (i would avoid wording as "closer to truth"), but doing contrary. 
    Ezekiel book 3:18,19
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in 1914   
    You missed 1 Cor 13:9,10 and focused only on knowledge.  Prophesy brings forth knowledge.
    “For we know in part and we prophesy in part. 10 But when that which is perfect has come, then that which is in part will be done away.
    “that which is perfect” has not arrived until the Kingdom arrives.  Prophesy will exist until then, as will the increase of knowledge.   Prophesy will cease, when what was prophesied, is fulfilled.
     ‘And it shall come to pass in the last days, says God, That I will pour out of My Spirit on all flesh; Your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, Your young men shall see visions, Your old men shall dream dreams.”  Acts 2:17
    A prophet comes in the last days, in the spirit of “Elijah”. 
    Jesus answered and said to them, “Indeed, Elijah is coming first and will restore all things.  Matt 17:11
    Jesus “shows” his servants what must take place in the last days.  The understanding of Revelation that John wrote down, is only through a prophet.  Rev 1:1
    Rev 11:3 –  “And I will give power to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy one thousand two hundred and sixty days, clothed in sackcloth.”
    Rev 10:7 -  “but in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he is about to sound, then the mystery of God is finished, as He preached to His servants the prophets.”
     Quite the theory.  You are apparently making up doctrine  about the Body of Christ, contrary to the WT; which in this case, they are right…until they change it, which I expect to happen any time.   https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200021176
    The little flock (Matt 15:24; 10:6) were the physical Jews; added to them, were  physical “Gentiles”(Acts 13:46; 3:25; Rom 11:25; 9:6,18) all anointed, becoming “Israel” and “one flock”.  There is no more “little flock” and “other sheep”, but the anointed Body of Christ. Eph 2:11-22
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in 1914   
    Well, you had better get ready for every JW to be taken captive by the United Nations/Beast. Rev 13:10  They will be “captured” by the “empty philosophy” of  the UN and its religious conglomerate.  Col 2:8 
    In your world, that coalition of nations will target and “blaspheme” the Temple/anointed priests, (Rev 13:5)  somehow singling them out of 8 million people,  to “make war” with them. Dan 8:24,11; Rev 13:6   The "saints" will be conquered. Rev 13:7   Yet, before that happens, all JWs will “worship” the United Nations, willingly bearing its mark. Rev 13:16,17 They will say, “Who is like the United Nations, who can fight a war with it?”  Rev 13:4  As you now see, there is a developing cry of “peace and security” by the dual Beasts. It endeavors to proclaim "peace and security" for all who receive its mark.  1 Thess 5:3 
    Since you see things literally, some JWs under its captivity will then stand up to this UN Beast,  and will be physically killed for speaking out against the dual rulership of a false prophet and Beast organization over them. Rev 13:1,2,11,12  Yes, if they reject the identifying mark of the UN Beast, they are killed.   Yet, many JWs will choose to remain with the UN Beast.  Rev 14:9-10; 16:2 
    Can you see THIS coming?  This is the only way it can play out in your literal world.  Can you also tell me how the UN  will become “spirit-directed”? Rev 13:15 
    No other organization touts to be spirit-directed (“spirit breathed”), but the Watchtower. Rev 13:15
    Satan is making his obvious display of prophetic fulfillment in the world, but in the hand he holds behind his back, is the threat that God’s people are already under.  JWs believe they reside in "peace and security".  Your leaders have even written a book about it.  
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in 1914   
    Now faith is assurance of things hoped for, a conviction of things not seen. Heb 11 1
    Faith as state of our mind and heart, not need evidence. Because when you see evidence you don't need faith for what you see and about what this particular evidence serve to prove. Only "evidence" Abraham and Sarah received was spoken promise. Words they received was in form of Promise, and not in form of Testimony or Indication. If, that they then did a miracle, made from people/angels who gave Promise, for example to make bread - (of) - from stones, that would serve to Abraham and Sarah, as Indication - sign, how another miracle, future birth of son, is also possible. I that case her "faith in promise" would be supported by Evidence of bread made from stones.
    Definition of evidence
     (Entry 1 of 2)
    1a: an outward sign : INDICATION
    b: something that furnishes proof : TESTIMONY specifically : something legally submitted to a tribunal to ascertain the truth of a matter
    2: one who bears witness especially : one who voluntarily confesses a crime and testifies for the prosecution against one's accomplices
     
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in 1914   
    Thanks for confirming my thoughts. Sarah " did not believe" (she laughed) because she hadn't clear evidence how promise is possible to come true. In other words she hadn't clear evidence to support her faith, to strengthen her faith. In fact she hadn't faith at all. And she showed lack of own faith with her laughing. In next 25 years they not showed faith in the promise. They didn't wait on JHVH! In that period Hagar came in family and give child.
    Only after, she was able to build her faith in God on some other level. 
    To come back to 1914. WT society, similar to Abraham and Sarah didn't wait on JHVH too. But they entering own 1914 Promise how Kingdom will be born on Earth in that year. After they changed that same Promise, Kingdom borned Invisibly in 1914. 
    Promise, supposedly made by JHVH and Jesus how his Kingdom will come (to be born)  and change everything in 1914, was turned by JW's Mother Organization (Sarah) into involving "Agara" into "marriage, family" and thus Ismael aka false Kingdom was born in 1914.
    This is just fictional illustration for JW members who are sure how (based on clear evidence :)) ) their Mother Organization is JHVH' wife. Well, who is JW and WT organization, Sarah or Hagar?
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in 1914   
    We can fail in our interpretation of “prediction”. The “added bonus” is Satan’s display of deceit.  If we believe Satan cannot deceive on such a large level, we are ignorant to his deceptions.  1 Pet 5:8; Eph 6:11,12; 2 Cor 11:13-15
    If Jesus’ kingdom is “no part of this world” why would we look to Satan’s kingdoms for the signs of God’s Kingdom to arrive?
    “ Now when He was asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, He answered them and said, “The kingdom of God does not come with observation; 21 nor will they say, ‘See here!’ or ‘See there!’ For indeed, the kingdom of God is within you.”
    22 Then He said to the disciples, “The days will come when you will desire to see one of the days of the Son of Man, and you will not see it. 23 And they will say to you,  ‘Look here!’ or ‘Look there!’ Do not go after them or follow them. 24 For as the lightning that flashes out of one part under heaven shines to the other part under heaven, so also the Son of Man will be in His day.   Luke 17:20-24
    “does not come with observation” -  αρατήρησις, in such a manner that it can be watched with the eyes, i. e. in a visible manner
    So, those who have a great following, encourage their adherents to look for observable signs in the earthly world, as evidence of the Kingdom to come.  The leaders are saying, “See here! See there! Look here!  Look there! 
    We are warned not to go after them, not to fall for their dates that have failed, or must be twisted to fit a new prophetic understanding of them. I listened to some of Garret Losh’s speech to the Gilead graduates, where he listed a large number of failed prophetic dates for Armageddon, announced by people over the ages – one failed date per person.   He then touched on the failed time table of the organization’s leaders, of which many, he didn’t reveal.  Your leaders have been consistent in failing at observing the physical signs, to prove the coming of the Kingdom of God. Losh’s ploy of stating the long listing of failed prophesies before touching on WT’s failed predictions, was to minimize the mistakes by WT; as if to say, “see, we have committed less blunders than what you have just heard”. 
    Jesus said it would come in the symbolic form of lightening flashing “under heaven”.  If the signs are not “observable” this isn’t speaking of literal lightning to be literally seen.  We know that lightning, rain, hail, snow in the Bible can have a symbolic tie with words, knowledge, blessings, judgment, condemnation. God and Christ use faithful servants to speak these words “at the proper time”.  (Job 37:3,11,12; 38:34,35; Rev 4:5; 5:6;
    This sign of lighting, flashes of light meaning the revealing of spiritual understanding, is not sourced in anointed who still set their eyes on observable signs in the world. The world’s signs are steeped in Satan’s darkness, the sign of the coming of Christ, is the opening of Revelation scrolls and knowledge of what they mean.
    “Those who have insight will shine like the bright expanse of the heavens, and those who lead many to righteousness, like the stars forever and ever.”
    "Many will be purified, cleansed, and refined, but the wicked will act wickedly; none of the wicked will understand, but those who have insight will understand.”
    Dan 12:8,9; Rev 10:7; Amos 3:7;Rev 5:1,2,5,7,9,10; 1:1-3; 2:7,17,28; 1 Pet 1:19
    Men who continually focus on the world’s actions, failing consistently in their effort to relate it to Christ’ arrival, should prove to us that light – understanding –is not sourced in Satan’s world. It only shows the darkness and foolishness that resides in their hearts.   Rom 1:18-22
    “ But God shows his anger from heaven against all sinful, evil men who push away the truth from them. 19 For the truth about God is known to them instinctively; God has put this knowledge in their hearts. 20 Since earliest times men have seen the earth and sky and all God made, and have known of his existence and great eternal power. So they will have no excuse when they stand before God at Judgment Day.
    21 Yes, they knew about him all right, but they wouldn’t admit it or worship him or even thank him for all his daily care. And after a while they began to think up silly ideas of what God was like and what he wanted them to do. The result was that their foolish minds became dark and confused. 22 Claiming themselves to be wise without God, they became utter fools instead.”  Rom 1:18-22 LB
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Witness reacted to 4Jah2me in IBSA, ORIGINAL INTERNATIONAL BIBLE STUDENTS.   
    Um, a suspicious silence from those who usually mock me.  
    The Watch Tower Society opened overseas branches in London (1900),[40] Germany (1903), and Australia and Switzerland (1904).[41] The Society's headquarters were transferred to Brooklyn, New York in 1909.[42]
    International Bible Students Association[edit]
    In 1910 Russell introduced the name International Bible Students Association as a means of identifying his worldwide community of Bible study groups. He wrote:
    Russell explained that the Association would be directed and managed by the Peoples [sic] Pulpit Association which, in turn, represented the Watch Tower Bible & Tract Society. All Bible Student classes using Watch Tower Society publications could consider themselves identified with the Association and were authorized to use the name International Bible Students Association in connection with their meetings. The name was also used when advertising and conducting Bible Students conventions.[46]
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    A number of schisms developed within the congregations of Bible Students associated with the Watch Tower Society between 1909 and 1932.[2][3] The most significant split began in 1917 following the election of Joseph Franklin Rutherford as president of the Watch Tower Society two months after Russell's death. The schism began with Rutherford's controversial replacement of four of the Society's board of directors and publication of The Finished Mystery.
    Thousands of members left congregations of Bible Students associated with the Watch Tower Society throughout the 1920s prompted in part by Rutherford's failed predictions for the year 1925, increasing disillusionment with his on-going doctrinal and organizational changes, and his campaign for centralized control of the movement.[2] William Schnell, author and former Jehovah's Witness, claims that three-quarters of the original Bible Students who had been associating with the Watch Tower Society in 1921 had left by 1931.[4][a][6] In 1930 Rutherford stated that "the total number of those who have withdrawn from the Society... is comparatively large."
    I haven't found any mention of any of this in the 'God's Kingdom  Rules' book, but I'll keep looking. 
     
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in 1914   
    Very, very good, like it very much!
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in 1914   
    Faith is based on a promise to come.  From our faith in the evident demonstration God’s Word supplies us, we develop within ourselves, faith in the promise; not by what we see happening in the world, which is Satan’s counterfeit “evidence”.  If we intently observe the literal “ruining of the earth” as a sign that the Kingdom is to arrive, we have put our hope in Satan’s ability not only to ruin the earth but bring forth the Kingdom.    When I read your comment, it appeared to me that you were explaining people’s selective blindness to the destruction already happening in the world…that YOU see.  Because those certain people do not use that as evidence of the Kingdom arriving, you seem to apply their faith is not genuine.   Your message was contradictory; while explaining literal destruction as the basis of one’s faith in the coming Kingdom,  in your next comment, you then try to explain the unseen powers that have negatively affected the earth, as evidence to put one’s faith in.       
    Yes, Satan is making an all-out effort to literally ruin the earth, but Revelation speaks of Satan’s ability to ruin the “earth” through the outpouring of deception, of lies.  His Beast from the Sea doesn’t emerge from the literal sea. Rev 13:1 The “sea” represents wickedness (Isa 57:20; Jude 1:13,12)  The Beast “makes war” with the “earth” – God’s people/saints/”mankind” under the “woman” covenant  by using blasphemy – demonic expressions. Gal 4:26;  Rev 13:5-7; 16:13,14
    “So the serpent spewed water out of his mouth like a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away by the flood. But the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened its mouth and swallowed up the flood which the dragon had spewed out of his mouth.” Rev 12:15,16
    (For any interested…Pearl Doxsey – “Earth Swallows Satan’s River”)
    None of the above is literally happening on the literal earth.  Its significance is spiritual and occurring in the organization, where God’s anointed “inhabited earth”/owned “land” (John 14:23; 1 Cor 3:9; Eph 2:21,22; 2 Cor 6:16) is swallowing Satan’s deceitful, poisoned waters, through the teachings of a fallen anointed “star”.  Rev 8: 10,11; Amos 6:1,12; Heb 12:14-17 (Matt 5:13; 2 Pet 3:7; 1 Pet 4:17
     
    This composite leadership has JWs believing in Satan’s earthly manifestations as evidence of the Kingdom’s arrival, which is a lie.   For everyone under the Harlot’s rule, it would be wise to heed Rev 18:4-8
    “They ate, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and the flood came and destroyed them all.”  Even so will it be in the day when the Son of Man is revealed.”  Luke 17:27,30
    Satan’s flood, spoken by those who deliver it, brings with it, destruction.   God enacts the judgment against its deliverers, because of its evil intent, to kill off the "remaining ones of the woman's seed".  Dan 7:7,8,21,23,25; Rev 12:17,15; Dan 11:10
     And the twenty-four elders who are seated on their thrones before God fell down on their faces and worshiped God, 17 saying,
    “We give thanks to you, Lord God All-Powerful,
        the one who is and the one who was,
    because you have taken your great power
        and have begun to reign.
    18 And the nations were angry,
        and your wrath has come,
        and the time for the dead to be judged,
    and to give their reward to your slaves the prophets
        and to the saints and to the ones who fear your name,
        the small and the great,
    and to destroy those who destroy the earth.”  Rev 11:16-18
     
     
     
     
    http://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2016/06/symbolic-earth.html
     
     
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in 1914   
    Faith is the assured expectation of what is hoped for,+ the evident demonstration* of realities that are not seen. - Heb 11:1
     
    wind ... big bang that can be measured ....intelligent design
    These things are not, shouldn't be your FAITH in things you expecting and hoped for. Basically, faith is your inner feeling how something is, was, will be. And YOU ARE evident demonstration of realities that are not seen. YOU by your faith, hopes with private and public manifestations making them as are real.
    When you counting: wind, measurement instruments and design, people not need your faith as evident demonstration, because they can do it without you. 
    When you talking about God, Miracles and future Kingdom, these are things that need, required  to be VISIBLE in FAITH (we can call this part of Faith with another name - Imagination), your's and in faith of people you preaching. Heb 11 1 speaking about future, well this sort of faith is looking in the future aspects. Part of faith about past that has some material evidences of thing that took place, but also about many things you can't prove with historical tools. In that case you also need faith (imagination) about something that was not visible any more.
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    Witness reacted to 4Jah2me in 1914   
    I will agree that humans are ruining the Earth. But it seems to me that you are still looking for signs. We know that humans cannot destroy this Earth or the human race. We know God's intention from the beginning was to have perfect humans living on a perfect Earth, and God's intentions haven't changed. I used to take an interest in earthwide news articles but many are so depressing and upsetting and some would even make me angry. The suffering and cruelty earthwide is not something I want constant reminders of.  I know, 100% am certain of, that God will put it all right when He is ready. And prior to that people will continue to suffer, but the human race and the earth will remain.  
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    Witness got a reaction from 4Jah2me in 1914   
    Now Tom, I thought you were a facebook fan, having your own page.  Should I ask why you hang out there?
    God calls PEOPLE his own, not an earthly organization of any kind.  John 4:21; Acts 7:48-50; 1 Cor 3:16,17; Eph 2:20-22
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in 1914   
    That’s not what Hebrews is saying:
    "Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. 2 For by it the elders obtained a good testimony.
    3 By faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that the things which are seen were not made of things which are visible.
    By faith Abraham obeyed when he was called to go out to the place which he would receive as an inheritance. And he went out, not knowing where he was going. 9 By faith he dwelt in the land of promise as in a foreign country, dwelling in tents with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise; 10 for he waited for the city which has foundations, whose builder and maker is God.  Heb 11:8-10
    These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off were assured of them, embraced them and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.  Heb 11:13
     
    About the Christ:
    “Though you have not seen him, you love him; and even though you do not see him now, you believe in him and are filled with an inexpressible and glorious joy”  1 Pet 1:8
    Then Jesus told him, "Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed."  John 20:29
     
    About the signs of the coming Kingdom:
    "Now when He was asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, He answered them and said, “The kingdom of God does not come with observation; nor will they say,‘See here!’ or ‘See there!’ For indeed, the kingdom of God is within you.”  Luke 17:20-21
    "For we walk by faith, not by sight."  2 Cor 5:7
     
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    Witness reacted to Kosonen in More emphasis on good news about Jesus Christ   
    Very simply put, for Jehovah's witnesses 'good news' is about the everlasting life on earth in a coming paradise. That is the first thing Jehovah's witnesses tell people while preaching. And then secondly that Jesus will rule the earth under 1000 years. That is also what Jehovah's witnesses usually think of very much and they wait eagerly for Armageddon and wish that this would come as soon as possible. I know that, I used to think like that, just waiting for those blessings to come. 
    But I had for a long time not fully understood nor appreciated what the 'good news', the gospel is about. Based on one scripture Matthew 24:14 it seemed to be only about God's kingdom, a new government for the earth from God. That is the impression you easily get if you only read Matthew 24:14. 
    But to really understand what is God's kingdom we have to almost equate that with Jesus. That is evident from for example the following scriptures:
    Jesus said referring to himself in Luke 17:21 For look! the Kingdom of God is in your midst.”
    Mark 9:1 Furthermore, he said to them: “Truly I say to you that there are some of those standing here who will not taste death at all until first they see the Kingdom of God already having come in power.”+ 2  Six days later Jesus took Peter and James and John along and led them up into a lofty mountain by themselves. And he was transfigured before them;
    And apostle Paul declared the Good news about God's kingdom like this on one occasion
    Acts 17:30,31.”True, God has overlooked the times of such ignorance; but now he is declaring to all people everywhere that they should repent.  Because he has set a day on which he purposes to judge the inhabited earth in righteousness by a man whom he has appointed, and he has provided a guarantee to all men by resurrecting him from the dead.”
    And the following scriptures give more evidence about the fact that the 'good news' that would be preached to the most distant part of the earth would be very much about Jesus personally, that he died as a sacrifice for people's sins and that people could now be forgiven their sins and get the gift of eternal life from God and that Jesus was resurrected and would come back to judge the wicked and be king over the whole earth. 
    So here is a compilation of scriptures that tell how much the preaching message was about Jesus.
    Acts 1:8 "But you will receive power when the holy spirit comes upon you, and you will be witnesses of me in Jerusalem, in all Ju·deʹa and Sa·marʹi·a, and to the most distant part* of the earth.”
    Mark 1:1 The beginning of the good news about Jesus Christ, the Son of God:
    2 Cor 1;19 For the Son of God, Jesus Christ, who was preached among you through us
    2 Thess 1:8 the good news about our Lord Jesus.
    1 Thess 3:2 and we sent Timothy, our brother and God’s minister* in the good news about the Christ
    Eph 3:8  so that I should declare to the nations the good news about the unfathomable riches of the Christ
    Col 4:3 3  At the same time, pray also for us, that God may open a door for the word so that we can declare the sacred secret about the Christ, for which I am in prison bonds,
    1 Cor 1:23 but we preach Christ executed on the stake, to the Jews a cause for stumbling but to the nations foolishness.
    1 Tim 2:5  For there is one God,  and one mediator between God and men, a man, Christ Jesus, 6  who gave himself a corresponding ransom for all*—this is what is to be witnessed to in its own due time. 7  For the purpose of this witness I was appointed a preacher and an apostle—I am telling the truth, I am not lying—a teacher of nations in the matter of faith and truth.
    Phil 1:15,16  True, some are preaching the Christ out of envy and rivalry, but others out of goodwill. 16  The latter are proclaiming the Christ out of love, for they know that I have been appointed to defend the good news;
    2 Cor 4:4,5  the glorious good news about the Christ, who is the image of God,...For we are preaching, not about ourselves, but about Jesus Christ as Lord 
    2 Cor 5:18,19 But all things are from God, who reconciled us to himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of the reconciliation, 19  namely, that God was by means of Christ reconciling a world to himself, not counting their offenses against them, and he entrusted to us the message of the reconciliation.
    2 Cor 10:14 Really, we are not overextending ourselves as if we did not reach you, for we were the first to reach as far as you with the good news about the Christ.
    1 Cor 9:12 but we are enduring all things so that we might not in any way hinder the good news about the Christ
    Rom 1:1 Paul, a slave of Christ Jesus and called to be an apostle, set apart for God’s good news, 2  which he promised beforehand through his prophets in the holy Scriptures, 3 concerning his Son…9 For God, to whom I render sacred service with my spirit in connection with the good news about his Son,
    Rom 15:19 I have thoroughly preached the good news about the Christ.
    Rom 16:25  Now to Him who can make you firm according to the good news I declare and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the sacred secret that has been kept in silence for long-lasting times 26  but has now been made manifest* and has been made known through the prophetic Scriptures among all the nations according to the command of the everlasting God to promote obedience by faith; 
    Acts 5:42 And every day in the temple and from house to house they continued without letup teaching and declaring the good news about the Christ, Jesus.
    Acts 11:20 and began talking to the Greek-speaking people, declaring the good news of the Lord Jesus.
    Revelation 19:10 ….. I am only a fellow slave of you and of your brothers who have the work of witnessing concerning Jesus. Worship God! For the witness concerning Jesus is what inspires prophecy.”
    Revelation 12:17 ...who observe the commandments of God and have the work of bearing witness concerning Jesus.
    Revelation 20:4 Yes, I saw the souls* of those executed* for the witness they gave about Jesus and for speaking about God,


     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in 1914   
    It is a voluntary commitment which requires upholding the principles of the UN and its function.  It is a choice to become part of the world that the WT teaches its members to stay out of.  Of course, to uphold the principles of the Beast of WT, is sheer hypocrisy.
    There are two general categories of NGOs: (1) operational NGOs, whose primary purpose is the design and implementation of development-related projects, and (2) advocacy NGOs, whose primary purpose is to defend or promote a specific cause and who seek to influence the policies and practices of IGOs – Intergovernmental Organizations.  (APA Office of International Affairs)
    “Only those who do not wish to see, can be deceived”  D.H.
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    Witness got a reaction from 4Jah2me in 1914   
    You have to remember, no one demanded that they become an NGO.  It has nothing to do with "subjection to superior authorities."  It has everything to do with integrity, which the GB/organization have none of.  
    What were the other services that required them to become an NGO?  Do you know?  Do you know why they are NGO members in other countries?  I don't.  What need would an organization that believes it is directed by God, have in taking part in the nations of the world?  How do you correlate THIS to Moses' day?  Just think  about it.  
    From the book, "What the Watchtower Society Doesn't Want You to Know"
    The question was, “Has the criteria for getting a library pass to the United Nations changed?”
    Reply:
    “The procedure for a library pass is the following:  the interested party needs to fill out an application form and supply a letter of recommendation in support of the research.  If the needed material is not available in the UN depository library (the list of depository libraries is posted at:  http://www.un.org/depts/dhl/deplib/countries/), the application is approved and sent to UN Security.  UN Security checks the application and, if approved is granted, instructs the Pass office to issue a library pass for the applicant. 
    The issuance of a library pass is independent of NGO status or any other status.  There has been no change in the library policy.”  
    Best Regards
    [Name]
    Senior Reference Librarian
    UN/SA Reference Desk
    United Nations Library, New York
    They didn't become an NGO simply to acquire a library card.
     
     
    The anointed do have a special “use”, to be a working priesthood, but contrary to scripture they are told to wait. 1 Pet 2:5,9; Eph 2:20-22  The elder body has been given special treatment, even special honor, as a priesthood to replace them.  This is truly an abomination.  2 Thess 2:4; Rev 11:1-3
    We honor Christian elders when we show respect for their position and follow their direction. We also honor them by commending them for their hard work.  WT 17/3/8
    It is incredible, that respect is to be given to a position created by men, but not to a position created by God.  
    Although it is a wonderful privilege to have the heavenly calling, anointed Christians do not expect any special honor from others. (Eph. 1:18, 19; read Philippians 2:2, 3.) Jehovah’s spirit bore witness to them personally. No announcement was made to the world. So they are not surprised if some people do not readily believe that they have truly been anointed by holy spirit. In fact, they realize that the Scriptures advise against quickly believing someone who claims to have a special appointment from God. (Rev. 2:2) WT 16/1 p. 22
     Honor is given to the elders but not to God’s “special possession”. 
    “Then the king will do as he pleases, and he will exalt himself and will consider himself above any god, and he will speak horrendous things against the God of gods, yet he will succeed until the period of anger is finished, for what is determined will be done."  Dan 11:36
    Do elders have a special appointment from God?  Your leaders tell you they do.  They hand pick them.  If the organization belonged to God, He would clearly make known who His priesthood is.  Only they would be leading the flock.  As it is, the anointed are there, invisible, and JWs should question why this is so.   Rev 13:1,2,5-10
    Most likely no one told the anointed priests up until the introduction of the organization, that they must WAIT…to offer sacrifices of praise as holy priests and to “teach” the sheep as priests were obligated to do.  The faithful ones followed the direction of their Head, Jesus Christ.   The apostles acted like priests and taught the incoming anointed how to also.   Man’s “organization” changes the whole dynamics of scripture; bending God’s decrees to suit what men have built.   2 Chron 13:9; Ezek 44:6-9
     
     
     

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