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    Witness got a reaction from 4Jah2me in THE GREEK SCRIPTURES ARE FOR THE TRUE ANOINTED ONES.   
    Perhaps, it is "another spirit" that they are perceiving as "holy".   (1Tim 4:10)  They are so blind.  
     
    It is true that the Greek scriptures are for the anointed to learn from; and for all of us who believe in the scriptures, they are also about the anointed. They describe how this new form of worship “in spirit and truth” will be manifested in the Kingdom to come.  (John 4:21-24; Rev 21:3,4,20-24; 22:1-3) (Matt 7:15-20)
    Jesus’ teachings were revolutionary to a basically stubborn people.  He invited all to believe in him. Whether we are called and found faithful to be part of the new “temple” arrangement, or “called” to receive the understanding of his teachings, and how the completed Temple will arise, Jesus promised that all obedient and faithful believers would receive eternal life. (Luke 11:28; John 8:31; 1 Thess 2:13; Acts 16:31)
     We see the transition that the apostles had to make from the law covenant, to its fulfillment in Christ’s coming.  Paul received visions of the Kingdom to come, and I have always wondered what all it was that he saw. (2 Cor 12:2-4) Also, I have wondered what “books” could be written containing Jesus’ acts while on the earth. (John 21:25)  There’s so much for us to find out in the Kingdom. 
    I never learned the full truth about the Body of Christ in the organization, or what Zech 4 meant when it says the “capstone” will complete God’s spiritual dwelling. (Rom 8:19-22; Zech 4:3-7,14; Rev 11:3,4; 7:13-15) There is little to nothing on the JW site about the capstone ("top stone") relating to the appearance of the “two witnesses” preaching in sackcloth. This is the hiding of truth.  The anointed in the last days, fall into deceptive captivity (Col 2:8; Rev 13:10) whereas those sealed ones previous to their appearance, never succumbed or were never held captive, to false worship.  They were not deceived by harlots, and remained spiritual “virgins”. (Rev 20:4; 14:4)   But as we see, the anointed remnant does fall victim to deception and lies, and leave off worshipping God with their who soul, heart and mind.(Rev 13:4,11,12; 17:1) Their allegiance is to a “Beast” that makes war with them and conquers them. (Rev 13: 7)  It blasphemes the “tabernacle” of God. (Rev 13:5,6)  The false prophet that directs it, authorizes this “different” beast to “kill”  those who reject its identity. (Dan 7:23; Rev 13:14,15)
     Anyone with open eyes would see that the organization blasphemes, or simply “insults” the anointed with its regulations against their joining together, and against acting as God’s priests, now. How is it, that the “priestly” GB are allowed to act as priests, while all other anointed cannot?  (1 Pet 2:5,9)  Their deceiving tale follows up with soothing lies about the anointed residing in spiritual security as long as they remain faithul to Jehovah('s organization). 
    It’s absolutely ludicrous, but it sells!  It is accepted that “Jehovah’s organization” knows what’s best for them. (Lam 4:18; Rev 9:3,4)  But, this is how they are trampled as prophesied; and as your comment reveals, it’s clearly happening in the organization.  They have been subdued by the “man of lawlessness” elder body standing/sitting/ruling over the Temple dwelling of God.  (Matt 24:15,16; Mark 13:14; 2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1,2)
    Yet now, I can almost envision the GB using the events in Russia and elsewhere, as fulfilled signs of the “man of lawlessness”/Beast (Rev 13:1) (“the coalition of nations”) trampling their temple – the idol called “Jehovah’s organization”.  Another possible distracting lie.
    In order to be found acceptable before God, the anointed must turn back to Jesus Christ, their Head. (Rev 2:4,5; 3:17-19) They must have their “robes washed in the blood of the Lamb”. (Rev 5:9,10; 22:14)  No one - not the GB, not the elder body -  has received authority from God to expect obedience to their direction, except His Son and the Head of the Body.  (Eph 1:22)  No JW should be kissing the feet of the organization’s leadership.  But they do, which is no different than Catholics fawning over the pope and his hierarchy. 
    Mr. Rouse, Legal Representative for the Watchtower:
     “I am general counsel for the National Organization of Jehovah’s Witnesses out of Brooklyn, New York. Ordinarily, I wouldn’t be here, but this is one of our 13,000 congregations in the United States. We are a hierarchal religion structured just like the Catholic Church. And when the order from the Pope comes down in the church defrocking a priest and kicking him out, he no longer has any say in any matter in the local parish priest — in the parish.”
     STRUCTURED ("designed, assembled, arranged") JUST LIKE THE CATHOLIC CHURCH!  
    Does this mean that God borrowed Satan’s organizational skills to create His organization?  Or rather, did Satan borrow his tried and true idea from another religious deception to create a new one, his masterpiece of deceit, this time against the anointed? (Rev 12:4)
    The GB are the ‘greatest showmen on earth’.  (Matt 7:15; 2 Pet 2;1; 2 Cor 11:13-15) They and their predecessors have been involved in the most deceptive, demonic, theatrical, “showmanship” against God’s holy people…ever. (Rev 16:13-16; 20:7-10)  How else could they tell such whoppers and get away with it? (1 Tim 4:1)  And look at how many tickets they have been successful at selling.
     It is not for nothing that the “preaching work” all of these years, was spent “house to house”, finding and searching out the anointed to be tested and sifted by Satan. (Luke 22:31)  Jesus admonished HIS disciples, NOT to go “house to house”.  (Luke 10:7)  So, whose disciples do JWs belong to?  (Matt 2:7,8,13,14; Rev 17:6) 
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in THE GREEK SCRIPTURES ARE FOR THE TRUE ANOINTED ONES.   
    Perhaps, it is "another spirit" that they are perceiving as "holy".   (1Tim 4:10)  They are so blind.  
     
    It is true that the Greek scriptures are for the anointed to learn from; and for all of us who believe in the scriptures, they are also about the anointed. They describe how this new form of worship “in spirit and truth” will be manifested in the Kingdom to come.  (John 4:21-24; Rev 21:3,4,20-24; 22:1-3) (Matt 7:15-20)
    Jesus’ teachings were revolutionary to a basically stubborn people.  He invited all to believe in him. Whether we are called and found faithful to be part of the new “temple” arrangement, or “called” to receive the understanding of his teachings, and how the completed Temple will arise, Jesus promised that all obedient and faithful believers would receive eternal life. (Luke 11:28; John 8:31; 1 Thess 2:13; Acts 16:31)
     We see the transition that the apostles had to make from the law covenant, to its fulfillment in Christ’s coming.  Paul received visions of the Kingdom to come, and I have always wondered what all it was that he saw. (2 Cor 12:2-4) Also, I have wondered what “books” could be written containing Jesus’ acts while on the earth. (John 21:25)  There’s so much for us to find out in the Kingdom. 
    I never learned the full truth about the Body of Christ in the organization, or what Zech 4 meant when it says the “capstone” will complete God’s spiritual dwelling. (Rom 8:19-22; Zech 4:3-7,14; Rev 11:3,4; 7:13-15) There is little to nothing on the JW site about the capstone ("top stone") relating to the appearance of the “two witnesses” preaching in sackcloth. This is the hiding of truth.  The anointed in the last days, fall into deceptive captivity (Col 2:8; Rev 13:10) whereas those sealed ones previous to their appearance, never succumbed or were never held captive, to false worship.  They were not deceived by harlots, and remained spiritual “virgins”. (Rev 20:4; 14:4)   But as we see, the anointed remnant does fall victim to deception and lies, and leave off worshipping God with their who soul, heart and mind.(Rev 13:4,11,12; 17:1) Their allegiance is to a “Beast” that makes war with them and conquers them. (Rev 13: 7)  It blasphemes the “tabernacle” of God. (Rev 13:5,6)  The false prophet that directs it, authorizes this “different” beast to “kill”  those who reject its identity. (Dan 7:23; Rev 13:14,15)
     Anyone with open eyes would see that the organization blasphemes, or simply “insults” the anointed with its regulations against their joining together, and against acting as God’s priests, now. How is it, that the “priestly” GB are allowed to act as priests, while all other anointed cannot?  (1 Pet 2:5,9)  Their deceiving tale follows up with soothing lies about the anointed residing in spiritual security as long as they remain faithul to Jehovah('s organization). 
    It’s absolutely ludicrous, but it sells!  It is accepted that “Jehovah’s organization” knows what’s best for them. (Lam 4:18; Rev 9:3,4)  But, this is how they are trampled as prophesied; and as your comment reveals, it’s clearly happening in the organization.  They have been subdued by the “man of lawlessness” elder body standing/sitting/ruling over the Temple dwelling of God.  (Matt 24:15,16; Mark 13:14; 2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1,2)
    Yet now, I can almost envision the GB using the events in Russia and elsewhere, as fulfilled signs of the “man of lawlessness”/Beast (Rev 13:1) (“the coalition of nations”) trampling their temple – the idol called “Jehovah’s organization”.  Another possible distracting lie.
    In order to be found acceptable before God, the anointed must turn back to Jesus Christ, their Head. (Rev 2:4,5; 3:17-19) They must have their “robes washed in the blood of the Lamb”. (Rev 5:9,10; 22:14)  No one - not the GB, not the elder body -  has received authority from God to expect obedience to their direction, except His Son and the Head of the Body.  (Eph 1:22)  No JW should be kissing the feet of the organization’s leadership.  But they do, which is no different than Catholics fawning over the pope and his hierarchy. 
    Mr. Rouse, Legal Representative for the Watchtower:
     “I am general counsel for the National Organization of Jehovah’s Witnesses out of Brooklyn, New York. Ordinarily, I wouldn’t be here, but this is one of our 13,000 congregations in the United States. We are a hierarchal religion structured just like the Catholic Church. And when the order from the Pope comes down in the church defrocking a priest and kicking him out, he no longer has any say in any matter in the local parish priest — in the parish.”
     STRUCTURED ("designed, assembled, arranged") JUST LIKE THE CATHOLIC CHURCH!  
    Does this mean that God borrowed Satan’s organizational skills to create His organization?  Or rather, did Satan borrow his tried and true idea from another religious deception to create a new one, his masterpiece of deceit, this time against the anointed? (Rev 12:4)
    The GB are the ‘greatest showmen on earth’.  (Matt 7:15; 2 Pet 2;1; 2 Cor 11:13-15) They and their predecessors have been involved in the most deceptive, demonic, theatrical, “showmanship” against God’s holy people…ever. (Rev 16:13-16; 20:7-10)  How else could they tell such whoppers and get away with it? (1 Tim 4:1)  And look at how many tickets they have been successful at selling.
     It is not for nothing that the “preaching work” all of these years, was spent “house to house”, finding and searching out the anointed to be tested and sifted by Satan. (Luke 22:31)  Jesus admonished HIS disciples, NOT to go “house to house”.  (Luke 10:7)  So, whose disciples do JWs belong to?  (Matt 2:7,8,13,14; Rev 17:6) 
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    Witness reacted to 4Jah2me in THE GREEK SCRIPTURES ARE FOR THE TRUE ANOINTED ONES.   
    Now if you have been kind enough to read my main comment above, please consider this.
    From the GB as written in a Watchtower 
     Anointed Christians do not feel that they should spend time only with other anointed ones, as if they were members of an exclusive club. They do not search out other anointed ones, hoping to discuss their anointing with them or to form private groups for Bible study. (Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ) The congregation would not be united if anointed ones did those things. They would be working against the holy spirit, which helps God’s people to have peace and unity.
    The GB say that the True Anointed would be 'working against the holy spirit,   What gives the GB the right to say such things ? 
    Jesus said to His disciples, who were of the anointed,  (recorded at Matthew 18 v 19 & 20 )
    Again I tell you truly, if two of you on earth agree concerning anything of importance that they should request, it will take place for them on account of my Father in heaven. 20  For where there are two or three gathered together in my name, there I am in their midst.”
    How can these ones of the anointed 'agree' on anything if they do not communicate with each other ?
    How can Jesus be in the midst of two or three of the anointed, if they do not gather together. 
    So tell me, who is working against the Holy spirit ? 
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    Witness reacted to 4Jah2me in THE GREEK SCRIPTURES ARE FOR THE TRUE ANOINTED ONES.   
    The more I read the Greek scriptures, the more it is made clear to me that they are written for the True anointed Ones. 
    Romans 1 v 7 to all those who are in Rome as God’s beloved ones, called to be holy ones
    1 Corinthians 1 v 2 to the congregation of God that is in Corinth, to you who have been sanctified in union with Christ Jesus, called to be holy ones,
    2 Corinthians 1 v 1  to the congregation of God that is in Corinth, including all the holy ones who are in all A·chaʹia:
    Ephesians 1 v 1  Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus through God’s will, to the holy ones who are in Ephʹe·sus
    Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.  and are faithful in union with Christ Jesus: Philippians 1 v 1 Paul and Timothy, slaves of Christ Jesus, to all the holy ones in union with Christ Jesus who are in Phi·lipʹpi,
    Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.  along with overseers and ministerial servants Colossians 1 v 1 Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus through God’s will, and Timothy our brother, to the holy ones and faithful brothers in union with Christ at Co·losʹsae
    1 Thessalonians 1 v 1 Paul, Sil·vaʹnus,
    Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.  and Timothy,Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.  to the congregation of the Thes·sa·loʹni·ans in union with God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ: 2 Thessalonians 1 v 1 Paul, Sil·vaʹnus, and Timothy,
    Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.  to the congregation of the Thes·sa·loʹni·ans in union with God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ: Note in Colossians 1 v 18, ( it is talking about Jesus and it says ) and he is the head of the body, the congregation.
    It is saying that the congregation is the Body of Christ. The Anointed.
    Verse 24 confirms this. .... in behalf of his body, which is the congregation.
    Verse 27  confirms that this was written for the True Anointed ones. 
    to whom God has been pleased to make known among the nations the glorious riches of this sacred secret, which is Christ in union with you, the hope of his glory.
    Colossians 3 v 4 When the Christ, our life,
    Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.  is made manifest, then you also will be made manifest with him in glory. 3 v 12 Accordingly, as God’s chosen ones
    At Thessalonians 1 v 1 to the congregation of the Thes·sa·loʹni·ans in union with God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ:
    Note the congregation in union with God and Christ. ONLY the Anointed are IN UNION with God and Christ. 
    The Congregation as referred to in the Greek Scriptures are the Anointed ones. 
    The Holy Ones in the Greek Scriptures are the Anointed ones. 
    Revelation 5 v 9 & 10 proves to us that Christ died for the Anointed ones.
    “You are worthy to take the scroll and open its seals, for you were slaughtered and with your blood you bought people for God out of every tribe and tongueHello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.  and people and nation, 10  and you made them to be a kingdom and priests to our God, and they are to rule as kings over the earth.”
    God's nations was once physical, but now it is Spiritual Israel. God's Congregation is God's Holy Ones, God's True Anointed Ones. 
     
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in Archaeological Evidence for 607 BCE   
    Thanks very much for sharing this. It really shows that the most Elders are a tool (internal police) of the WT Company and not "shepherds". Also, this is an obvious example of how the Organization protects human interpretations and teachings (dogmas) rather than “the truth”. Really shameful what JWs are doing.
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    Witness reacted to AlanF in Archaeological Evidence for 607 BCE   
    Precisely my point! JW Pollyannas don't want to believe that this has happened plenty of times, but they will learn by bitter experience.
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    Witness got a reaction from César Chávez in Archaeological Evidence for 607 BCE   
    If all JWs were “chosen” as God’s witnesses, then why must they answer a long series of questions, and receive the approval from elders, that they can follow up with baptism?
    Even then, it is asked, “Do you understand that your baptism identifies you as one of Jehovah’s Witnesses in association with Jehovah’s organization?”
    You see, this is not God’s act of “choosing” His witnesses, this is induction into an organization of rules and regulations. 
    God’s true witnesses are identified as Sergey was probably alluding to:
    “You are My witnesses”—
    this is the Lord’s declaration—
    “and My servant whom I have chosen,
    so that you may know and believe Me
    and understand that I am He.
    No god was formed before Me,
    and there will be none after Me.
    11 I, I am YHWH,
    and there is no other Savior but Me.
    12 I alone declared, saved, and proclaimed—
    and not some foreign god among you.
    So you are My witnesses”—
    this is the Lord’s declaration—
    “and I am God.
    13 Also, from today on I am He alone,
    and none can deliver from My hand.
    I act, and who can reverse it?”  Isa 43:10-13
     
    He has personally chosen his “witnesses”.  They are not chosen through an organization, not by some “foreign god”.  As we see, it is clarified that He alone is salvation. Yet as we also see, your organization believes IT is the way to salvation:
    We can expect a similar expansion of our preaching activity now, at this climax of the ages. No doubt, before the “great tribulation” is finished, we will see the greatest witness to God’s name and kingdom in the history of this world. And while now the witness yet includes the invitation to come to Jehovah’s organization for salvation, the time no doubt will come when the message takes on a harder tone, like a “great war cry.” w81 11/15 p. 21
    So, although Sergey is right in one aspect, he is wrong in another.  The anointed priesthood were “chosen” to declare, teach and praise God as our only source of salvation through Jesus Christ.  It is their assignment, yet it has been overlooked and transferred to the elder body, and also as belonging to all JWs.  Nothing is wrong with others proclaiming authentic truth, but denying who God’s true witnesses are, is denying the Holy Spirit from God.
    This, Sergey will not make known, since he is imprisoned because of his connection to a foreign god – a connection he will most likely not sever for fear of losing martyr status and family.  I can almost guarantee, that if he rejected the organization, he would be released.  
    “Coming to Him, a living stone—rejected by men but chosen and valuable to God— 5 you yourselves, as living stones, are being built into a spiritual house for a holy priesthood to offer spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. 6 For it is contained in Scripture:
    Look! I lay a stone in Zion,
    a chosen and honoredcornerstone,
    and the one who believes in Him
    will never be put to shame!
    7 So honor will come to you who believe, but for the unbelieving,
    The stone that the builders rejected—
    this One has become the cornerstone,
    8 and
    A stone to stumble over,
    and a rock to trip over.
    They stumble because they disobey the message; they were destined for this.
    9 But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood,
    a holy nation, a people for His possession,
    so that you may proclaim the praises
    of the One who called you out of darkness
    into His marvelous light.
    10 Once you were not a people,
    but now you are God’s people;
    you had not received mercy,
    but now you have received mercy.”  1 Pet 2:4-10
     
    See what the organization use to teach about who God's chosen witnesses are:
    1954:  The 144,000 members of the true church or Christian congregation are a priesthood, every one a spiritual priest, and Jesus Christ is their High Priest. In their holy service to God and in their attitudes toward this world these Christian underpriests imitate him. (Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ) They form a spiritual house for the indwelling of God by his spirit, and Jesus is the chief cornerstone of this spiritual temple, and they may not be profaned and desecrated by wrong use by this world.  w54 11/15 p. 698
    What is taught today, as this priesthood is now told to submit to the hard-working “Gentile” elders?  It is that all of you, according to Anthony Morris, are the dwelling of God’s Spirit in Christ.  Your “foreign god” is your temple.  Your “Christ”, is another Jesus.  (2 Cor 11:4)
    Yes, the man of lawlessness has risen ranks and is at work trampling the “living stones” of God’s Temple. Your own organization has profaned and desecrated the House of God.
    God’s true witnesses do not need to answer questions to prove they have been chosen to serve Him.  (Rom 8: 27-30; 9:23,24; 2 Thess 2:13)  One should ask, why are elders given the authority to approve whether an anointed priest can partake? Why is it even necessary to report to men?   Why does the GB warn of anointed possibly being mentally ill putting little trust in anyone claiming they are anointed; yet the GB are highly trusted as anointed “slaves” of Christ?  (Matt 24:48-51) 
    Two Beasts influenced by another spirit, are working together to destroy the dwelling and Temple of God.  That’s why.  (Dan 8:12; 7:23; 11:36; Mark 13:14; 2 Thess 2:3,4; 1 Cor 3:16,17; Rev 11:1,2; 13:1,5-8,11,15-17; 17:3-5)
    If Morris is anointed, which I am beginning to doubt, he has lost the spirit of understanding from God.  Or, he never had it to begin with.
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from AlanF in Archaeological Evidence for 607 BCE   
    Yes, is he a witness for Jesus Christ?  Does he adhere to the teachings of Christ or the teachings of a wicked slave?  Do JWs truly suffer in the name  of Christ as they believe they do? 
    No, their salvation is wrapped up in fleshly pursuits and servitude toward men.   Until they shed that pursuit and focus solely on Jesus Christ and the Father, will they understand the evil fury and power unleashed against them, with its source in a people that proclaim to belong to God, just as the Pharisees stated, "we have Abraham as our Father".  
    "And don’t presume to say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our father.’ For I tell you that God is able to raise up children for Abraham from these stones!"  Matt 3:9
    That is why only a remnant of "living stones" and a "remnant" of believers in Christ, will survive the organization's downfall.  
    Those who are persecuted for righteousness are blessed,
    for the kingdom of heaven is theirs.
    11 “You are blessed when they insult and persecute you and falsely say every kind of evil against you because of me. 12 Be glad and rejoice, because your reward is great in heaven. For that is how they persecuted the prophets who were before you.  Matt 5:10-12
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    Witness got a reaction from AlanF in Archaeological Evidence for 607 BCE   
    If all JWs were “chosen” as God’s witnesses, then why must they answer a long series of questions, and receive the approval from elders, that they can follow up with baptism?
    Even then, it is asked, “Do you understand that your baptism identifies you as one of Jehovah’s Witnesses in association with Jehovah’s organization?”
    You see, this is not God’s act of “choosing” His witnesses, this is induction into an organization of rules and regulations. 
    God’s true witnesses are identified as Sergey was probably alluding to:
    “You are My witnesses”—
    this is the Lord’s declaration—
    “and My servant whom I have chosen,
    so that you may know and believe Me
    and understand that I am He.
    No god was formed before Me,
    and there will be none after Me.
    11 I, I am YHWH,
    and there is no other Savior but Me.
    12 I alone declared, saved, and proclaimed—
    and not some foreign god among you.
    So you are My witnesses”—
    this is the Lord’s declaration—
    “and I am God.
    13 Also, from today on I am He alone,
    and none can deliver from My hand.
    I act, and who can reverse it?”  Isa 43:10-13
     
    He has personally chosen his “witnesses”.  They are not chosen through an organization, not by some “foreign god”.  As we see, it is clarified that He alone is salvation. Yet as we also see, your organization believes IT is the way to salvation:
    We can expect a similar expansion of our preaching activity now, at this climax of the ages. No doubt, before the “great tribulation” is finished, we will see the greatest witness to God’s name and kingdom in the history of this world. And while now the witness yet includes the invitation to come to Jehovah’s organization for salvation, the time no doubt will come when the message takes on a harder tone, like a “great war cry.” w81 11/15 p. 21
    So, although Sergey is right in one aspect, he is wrong in another.  The anointed priesthood were “chosen” to declare, teach and praise God as our only source of salvation through Jesus Christ.  It is their assignment, yet it has been overlooked and transferred to the elder body, and also as belonging to all JWs.  Nothing is wrong with others proclaiming authentic truth, but denying who God’s true witnesses are, is denying the Holy Spirit from God.
    This, Sergey will not make known, since he is imprisoned because of his connection to a foreign god – a connection he will most likely not sever for fear of losing martyr status and family.  I can almost guarantee, that if he rejected the organization, he would be released.  
    “Coming to Him, a living stone—rejected by men but chosen and valuable to God— 5 you yourselves, as living stones, are being built into a spiritual house for a holy priesthood to offer spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. 6 For it is contained in Scripture:
    Look! I lay a stone in Zion,
    a chosen and honoredcornerstone,
    and the one who believes in Him
    will never be put to shame!
    7 So honor will come to you who believe, but for the unbelieving,
    The stone that the builders rejected—
    this One has become the cornerstone,
    8 and
    A stone to stumble over,
    and a rock to trip over.
    They stumble because they disobey the message; they were destined for this.
    9 But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood,
    a holy nation, a people for His possession,
    so that you may proclaim the praises
    of the One who called you out of darkness
    into His marvelous light.
    10 Once you were not a people,
    but now you are God’s people;
    you had not received mercy,
    but now you have received mercy.”  1 Pet 2:4-10
     
    See what the organization use to teach about who God's chosen witnesses are:
    1954:  The 144,000 members of the true church or Christian congregation are a priesthood, every one a spiritual priest, and Jesus Christ is their High Priest. In their holy service to God and in their attitudes toward this world these Christian underpriests imitate him. (Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ) They form a spiritual house for the indwelling of God by his spirit, and Jesus is the chief cornerstone of this spiritual temple, and they may not be profaned and desecrated by wrong use by this world.  w54 11/15 p. 698
    What is taught today, as this priesthood is now told to submit to the hard-working “Gentile” elders?  It is that all of you, according to Anthony Morris, are the dwelling of God’s Spirit in Christ.  Your “foreign god” is your temple.  Your “Christ”, is another Jesus.  (2 Cor 11:4)
    Yes, the man of lawlessness has risen ranks and is at work trampling the “living stones” of God’s Temple. Your own organization has profaned and desecrated the House of God.
    God’s true witnesses do not need to answer questions to prove they have been chosen to serve Him.  (Rom 8: 27-30; 9:23,24; 2 Thess 2:13)  One should ask, why are elders given the authority to approve whether an anointed priest can partake? Why is it even necessary to report to men?   Why does the GB warn of anointed possibly being mentally ill putting little trust in anyone claiming they are anointed; yet the GB are highly trusted as anointed “slaves” of Christ?  (Matt 24:48-51) 
    Two Beasts influenced by another spirit, are working together to destroy the dwelling and Temple of God.  That’s why.  (Dan 8:12; 7:23; 11:36; Mark 13:14; 2 Thess 2:3,4; 1 Cor 3:16,17; Rev 11:1,2; 13:1,5-8,11,15-17; 17:3-5)
    If Morris is anointed, which I am beginning to doubt, he has lost the spirit of understanding from God.  Or, he never had it to begin with.
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Archaeological Evidence for 607 BCE   
    Yes, is he a witness for Jesus Christ?  Does he adhere to the teachings of Christ or the teachings of a wicked slave?  Do JWs truly suffer in the name  of Christ as they believe they do? 
    No, their salvation is wrapped up in fleshly pursuits and servitude toward men.   Until they shed that pursuit and focus solely on Jesus Christ and the Father, will they understand the evil fury and power unleashed against them, with its source in a people that proclaim to belong to God, just as the Pharisees stated, "we have Abraham as our Father".  
    "And don’t presume to say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our father.’ For I tell you that God is able to raise up children for Abraham from these stones!"  Matt 3:9
    That is why only a remnant of "living stones" and a "remnant" of believers in Christ, will survive the organization's downfall.  
    Those who are persecuted for righteousness are blessed,
    for the kingdom of heaven is theirs.
    11 “You are blessed when they insult and persecute you and falsely say every kind of evil against you because of me. 12 Be glad and rejoice, because your reward is great in heaven. For that is how they persecuted the prophets who were before you.  Matt 5:10-12
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    Witness got a reaction from 4Jah2me in Archaeological Evidence for 607 BCE   
    If all JWs were “chosen” as God’s witnesses, then why must they answer a long series of questions, and receive the approval from elders, that they can follow up with baptism?
    Even then, it is asked, “Do you understand that your baptism identifies you as one of Jehovah’s Witnesses in association with Jehovah’s organization?”
    You see, this is not God’s act of “choosing” His witnesses, this is induction into an organization of rules and regulations. 
    God’s true witnesses are identified as Sergey was probably alluding to:
    “You are My witnesses”—
    this is the Lord’s declaration—
    “and My servant whom I have chosen,
    so that you may know and believe Me
    and understand that I am He.
    No god was formed before Me,
    and there will be none after Me.
    11 I, I am YHWH,
    and there is no other Savior but Me.
    12 I alone declared, saved, and proclaimed—
    and not some foreign god among you.
    So you are My witnesses”—
    this is the Lord’s declaration—
    “and I am God.
    13 Also, from today on I am He alone,
    and none can deliver from My hand.
    I act, and who can reverse it?”  Isa 43:10-13
     
    He has personally chosen his “witnesses”.  They are not chosen through an organization, not by some “foreign god”.  As we see, it is clarified that He alone is salvation. Yet as we also see, your organization believes IT is the way to salvation:
    We can expect a similar expansion of our preaching activity now, at this climax of the ages. No doubt, before the “great tribulation” is finished, we will see the greatest witness to God’s name and kingdom in the history of this world. And while now the witness yet includes the invitation to come to Jehovah’s organization for salvation, the time no doubt will come when the message takes on a harder tone, like a “great war cry.” w81 11/15 p. 21
    So, although Sergey is right in one aspect, he is wrong in another.  The anointed priesthood were “chosen” to declare, teach and praise God as our only source of salvation through Jesus Christ.  It is their assignment, yet it has been overlooked and transferred to the elder body, and also as belonging to all JWs.  Nothing is wrong with others proclaiming authentic truth, but denying who God’s true witnesses are, is denying the Holy Spirit from God.
    This, Sergey will not make known, since he is imprisoned because of his connection to a foreign god – a connection he will most likely not sever for fear of losing martyr status and family.  I can almost guarantee, that if he rejected the organization, he would be released.  
    “Coming to Him, a living stone—rejected by men but chosen and valuable to God— 5 you yourselves, as living stones, are being built into a spiritual house for a holy priesthood to offer spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. 6 For it is contained in Scripture:
    Look! I lay a stone in Zion,
    a chosen and honoredcornerstone,
    and the one who believes in Him
    will never be put to shame!
    7 So honor will come to you who believe, but for the unbelieving,
    The stone that the builders rejected—
    this One has become the cornerstone,
    8 and
    A stone to stumble over,
    and a rock to trip over.
    They stumble because they disobey the message; they were destined for this.
    9 But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood,
    a holy nation, a people for His possession,
    so that you may proclaim the praises
    of the One who called you out of darkness
    into His marvelous light.
    10 Once you were not a people,
    but now you are God’s people;
    you had not received mercy,
    but now you have received mercy.”  1 Pet 2:4-10
     
    See what the organization use to teach about who God's chosen witnesses are:
    1954:  The 144,000 members of the true church or Christian congregation are a priesthood, every one a spiritual priest, and Jesus Christ is their High Priest. In their holy service to God and in their attitudes toward this world these Christian underpriests imitate him. (Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ) They form a spiritual house for the indwelling of God by his spirit, and Jesus is the chief cornerstone of this spiritual temple, and they may not be profaned and desecrated by wrong use by this world.  w54 11/15 p. 698
    What is taught today, as this priesthood is now told to submit to the hard-working “Gentile” elders?  It is that all of you, according to Anthony Morris, are the dwelling of God’s Spirit in Christ.  Your “foreign god” is your temple.  Your “Christ”, is another Jesus.  (2 Cor 11:4)
    Yes, the man of lawlessness has risen ranks and is at work trampling the “living stones” of God’s Temple. Your own organization has profaned and desecrated the House of God.
    God’s true witnesses do not need to answer questions to prove they have been chosen to serve Him.  (Rom 8: 27-30; 9:23,24; 2 Thess 2:13)  One should ask, why are elders given the authority to approve whether an anointed priest can partake? Why is it even necessary to report to men?   Why does the GB warn of anointed possibly being mentally ill putting little trust in anyone claiming they are anointed; yet the GB are highly trusted as anointed “slaves” of Christ?  (Matt 24:48-51) 
    Two Beasts influenced by another spirit, are working together to destroy the dwelling and Temple of God.  That’s why.  (Dan 8:12; 7:23; 11:36; Mark 13:14; 2 Thess 2:3,4; 1 Cor 3:16,17; Rev 11:1,2; 13:1,5-8,11,15-17; 17:3-5)
    If Morris is anointed, which I am beginning to doubt, he has lost the spirit of understanding from God.  Or, he never had it to begin with.
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Archaeological Evidence for 607 BCE   
    If all JWs were “chosen” as God’s witnesses, then why must they answer a long series of questions, and receive the approval from elders, that they can follow up with baptism?
    Even then, it is asked, “Do you understand that your baptism identifies you as one of Jehovah’s Witnesses in association with Jehovah’s organization?”
    You see, this is not God’s act of “choosing” His witnesses, this is induction into an organization of rules and regulations. 
    God’s true witnesses are identified as Sergey was probably alluding to:
    “You are My witnesses”—
    this is the Lord’s declaration—
    “and My servant whom I have chosen,
    so that you may know and believe Me
    and understand that I am He.
    No god was formed before Me,
    and there will be none after Me.
    11 I, I am YHWH,
    and there is no other Savior but Me.
    12 I alone declared, saved, and proclaimed—
    and not some foreign god among you.
    So you are My witnesses”—
    this is the Lord’s declaration—
    “and I am God.
    13 Also, from today on I am He alone,
    and none can deliver from My hand.
    I act, and who can reverse it?”  Isa 43:10-13
     
    He has personally chosen his “witnesses”.  They are not chosen through an organization, not by some “foreign god”.  As we see, it is clarified that He alone is salvation. Yet as we also see, your organization believes IT is the way to salvation:
    We can expect a similar expansion of our preaching activity now, at this climax of the ages. No doubt, before the “great tribulation” is finished, we will see the greatest witness to God’s name and kingdom in the history of this world. And while now the witness yet includes the invitation to come to Jehovah’s organization for salvation, the time no doubt will come when the message takes on a harder tone, like a “great war cry.” w81 11/15 p. 21
    So, although Sergey is right in one aspect, he is wrong in another.  The anointed priesthood were “chosen” to declare, teach and praise God as our only source of salvation through Jesus Christ.  It is their assignment, yet it has been overlooked and transferred to the elder body, and also as belonging to all JWs.  Nothing is wrong with others proclaiming authentic truth, but denying who God’s true witnesses are, is denying the Holy Spirit from God.
    This, Sergey will not make known, since he is imprisoned because of his connection to a foreign god – a connection he will most likely not sever for fear of losing martyr status and family.  I can almost guarantee, that if he rejected the organization, he would be released.  
    “Coming to Him, a living stone—rejected by men but chosen and valuable to God— 5 you yourselves, as living stones, are being built into a spiritual house for a holy priesthood to offer spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. 6 For it is contained in Scripture:
    Look! I lay a stone in Zion,
    a chosen and honoredcornerstone,
    and the one who believes in Him
    will never be put to shame!
    7 So honor will come to you who believe, but for the unbelieving,
    The stone that the builders rejected—
    this One has become the cornerstone,
    8 and
    A stone to stumble over,
    and a rock to trip over.
    They stumble because they disobey the message; they were destined for this.
    9 But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood,
    a holy nation, a people for His possession,
    so that you may proclaim the praises
    of the One who called you out of darkness
    into His marvelous light.
    10 Once you were not a people,
    but now you are God’s people;
    you had not received mercy,
    but now you have received mercy.”  1 Pet 2:4-10
     
    See what the organization use to teach about who God's chosen witnesses are:
    1954:  The 144,000 members of the true church or Christian congregation are a priesthood, every one a spiritual priest, and Jesus Christ is their High Priest. In their holy service to God and in their attitudes toward this world these Christian underpriests imitate him. (Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ) They form a spiritual house for the indwelling of God by his spirit, and Jesus is the chief cornerstone of this spiritual temple, and they may not be profaned and desecrated by wrong use by this world.  w54 11/15 p. 698
    What is taught today, as this priesthood is now told to submit to the hard-working “Gentile” elders?  It is that all of you, according to Anthony Morris, are the dwelling of God’s Spirit in Christ.  Your “foreign god” is your temple.  Your “Christ”, is another Jesus.  (2 Cor 11:4)
    Yes, the man of lawlessness has risen ranks and is at work trampling the “living stones” of God’s Temple. Your own organization has profaned and desecrated the House of God.
    God’s true witnesses do not need to answer questions to prove they have been chosen to serve Him.  (Rom 8: 27-30; 9:23,24; 2 Thess 2:13)  One should ask, why are elders given the authority to approve whether an anointed priest can partake? Why is it even necessary to report to men?   Why does the GB warn of anointed possibly being mentally ill putting little trust in anyone claiming they are anointed; yet the GB are highly trusted as anointed “slaves” of Christ?  (Matt 24:48-51) 
    Two Beasts influenced by another spirit, are working together to destroy the dwelling and Temple of God.  That’s why.  (Dan 8:12; 7:23; 11:36; Mark 13:14; 2 Thess 2:3,4; 1 Cor 3:16,17; Rev 11:1,2; 13:1,5-8,11,15-17; 17:3-5)
    If Morris is anointed, which I am beginning to doubt, he has lost the spirit of understanding from God.  Or, he never had it to begin with.
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Archaeological Evidence for 607 BCE   
    Maybe not the date of 1975, but most certainly, 1914.  The last question posed to me before the hammer went down was, did I accept that in 1914 Satan was cast down to the earth.  When I said no, it was clearly stated that it would be announced that I was disfellowshipped at the next meeting.  (Luke 10:18)   
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Archaeological Evidence for 607 BCE   
    Oh my, "Spiritual numbness."  So true.  
    "If a liar and deceiver comes and says, ‘I will prophesy for you plenty of wine and beer,’ that would be just the prophet for this people!"  Micah 2:11
    "Better a cruel truth than a comfortable delusion."  Edward Abbey
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    Witness got a reaction from 4Jah2me in Archaeological Evidence for 607 BCE   
    Oh my, "Spiritual numbness."  So true.  
    "If a liar and deceiver comes and says, ‘I will prophesy for you plenty of wine and beer,’ that would be just the prophet for this people!"  Micah 2:11
    "Better a cruel truth than a comfortable delusion."  Edward Abbey
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    Witness got a reaction from 4Jah2me in Archaeological Evidence for 607 BCE   
    Maybe not the date of 1975, but most certainly, 1914.  The last question posed to me before the hammer went down was, did I accept that in 1914 Satan was cast down to the earth.  When I said no, it was clearly stated that it would be announced that I was disfellowshipped at the next meeting.  (Luke 10:18)   
  17. Haha
    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in Archaeological Evidence for 607 BCE   
    I found interesting question about Russell, and WT claims how God always had an Organization. Biblical evidence, however, shows that God has always used his organization as he carries out his purpose. - Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.
    Why didn’t Russell simply join the YHVH organization that already exists, instead of creating the Organization himself?
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    Witness reacted to 4Jah2me in Archaeological Evidence for 607 BCE   
    Hello 'young one'. I have just started a new topic as this one is way out of order. Maybe you will read it.  
    Just to add here though. You are once again spouting GB speak.  'non JW world' .  Not all ex JWs or non JWs are 'part of Satan's wicked world.  And the JW org / Watchtower has proved itself to be as much part of the ordinary world as anyone else. 
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in Archaeological Evidence for 607 BCE   
    Sorry, you sad well, but this two elements (never die and end will come soon) are the driving forces that give people hope and faith. All these decades JW members have been constantly encouraged to put the interests of the Kingdom first. This primarily means, that they preach more and more. Everything else needs to be subordinated to saving people’s lives before Armageddon erupts. And Armageddon is coming very fast: within the generation of 1914. Because there are great wars, because there are great troubles, earthquakes, diseases, great evil among the people, the earth is being destroyed ..., so it has never been like now and that means Armageddon is very close. We must not delay our dedication and service to YHVH. 
    That is the purpose of preaching according to WTJWorg. Preach as much as you can because the end is coming. Public talks and magazines are full of such instructions.
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Archaeological Evidence for 607 BCE   
    Yes, it is a deep-seated fear, even if JWs refuse to admit it.  
    Our personal “religion” should be based on the teachings of Christ.  Jesus’ early disciples embraced these teachings of the Word/Logos, who was the first of God’s creation. They were persecuted and killed for representing truth – for representing Jesus Christ. 
    When JWs are persecuted in other countries, it is not for the truth in Christ, but for an organization that exhibits extreme tactics that these other religions and countries recognize, but JWs accept as necessary to show loyalty to their organization and doctrine. If their loyalty was only to God, they could walk away from a corrupt religious society.   Sure, these countries also exhibit extreme tactics.  It is a fight for religious “freedom” on both sides.  But, that is a different scenario played out before different governors and kings than what Jesus suffered.
    To suffer as Christ did…for truth…we appear before “governors and kings” of our own spiritual people. (Matt 10:18)  None of the apostles walked away from falsehoods, but exposed them and fought against them, just as Jesus did.  In this respect, he is our example to follow.
    “And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them.”  Eph 5:11
    Who fights against us when we do expose the unfruitful works of false doctrine?  Is it not the GB and their organization?
    If we choose not to uphold the pristine TRUTH of Jesus, but uphold an organization that has two sleeves full of false predictions and teachings, how do we dare approach the God of Truth and assume we are blessed for our loyalty; which He knows is not a practice of loyalty to Him….not to Christ…but to men and their household of lies?
    “God is not a man, so He does not lie.
        He is not human, so He does not change his mind.
    Has He ever spoken and failed to act?
        Has He ever promised and not carried it through?”  Num 23:19
     To assume our conscience is clean before God, simply because we are loyal to an organization and the men who demand it, is standing in total darkness, not in the light of Christ.
    John 8:12 - Jesus spoke to the people once more and said, “I am the light of the world. If you follow me, you won’t have to walk in darkness, because you will have the light that leads to life.”
     
    So, in light of falsehoods that JWs admit are lies, what does a JW do?  Pray to God and say, I don’t believe in the new generation teaching, but I will continue to be loyal to your “faithful slave” who has served it up for all of us as “nourishing spiritual food”?  I will continue to be loyal to your organization that started on a foundation of lies and continues to lead us into the “temptation” of false promises, no matter how successful it has “preached” its doctrine throughout world?   I will accept your false priesthood even though you have appointed your holy priests as “ambassadors” of your Son in truth? (2 Thess 2:3,4,9-12)  I will accept the disfellowshipping arrangement that you set in place that spiritually “kills” those who desire to follow only your Son and his teachings of truth?  (Rev 11:1-3,7; Rev 13:15)
    What sort of god do JWs worship?  They worship a god of lies – an organization that wields a dual power of deception.  (Rev 13:10; 16:13-16)
    “Don’t let anyone capture you with empty philosophies and high-sounding nonsense that come from human thinking and from the spiritual powers of this world, rather than from Christ.”  Col 2:8 
    But every JW has fallen for made up stories; in essence, doctrines of lies - of demons, since the doctrine of Christ Jesus would never contain a lie.    ( John 7:16-18; 8:44; 2 Pet 1:16;  1 Tim 4:1; 2 Pet 2:1-3)
     
    31 Then Jesus began to tell them that the Son of Manmust suffer many terrible things and be rejected by the elders, the leading priests, and the teachers of religious law. He would be killed, but three days later he would rise from the dead. 32 As he talked about this openly with his disciples, Peter took him aside and began to reprimand him for saying such things.
    33 Jesus turned around and looked at his disciples, then reprimanded Peter. “Get away from me, Satan!” he said. “You are seeing things merely from a human point of view, not from God’s.”
    34 Then, calling the crowd to join his disciples, he said, “If any of you wants to be my follower, you must give up your own way, take up your (“stake”)cross, and follow me. 35 If you try to hang on to your life, you will lose it. But if you give up your life for my sake and for the sake of the Good News, you will save it. 36 And what do you benefit if you gain the whole world but lose your own soul? 37 Is anything worth more than your soul? 38 If anyone is ashamed of me and my message in these adulterous and sinful days, the Son of Man will be ashamed of that person when he returns in the glory of his Father with the holy angels.”  Mark 8:31-38
     
    What is the message of Christ? It is how to achieve eternal life. His message does not contain, even one lie.  His message today, is to expose the leaders of the organization as spiritual false prophets/harlots who have misled the "elect". (Matt 24:24)  His message is that the organization will be eliminated. (Rev 1:1; 13:5-8,11,12; 19:19-21; 18:4-8)  God does not cleanse organizations built in Satan’s world, he cleanses the hearts of those who desire to follow only His Son, who is truth. He will not save this organization, that has spiritual blood on its hands.    (Jer 14:14; 5:31) (Rev 17:6)  He saves people.  (Matt 24:31)
    That is good news indeed. The end of spiritual captivity to darkness – to lies - is here, but it takes faith in God and Jesus, to achieve it.  (Isa 42:7; 51:14; John 6:35)
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    Witness got a reaction from AlanF in Archaeological Evidence for 607 BCE   
    Yes, it is a deep-seated fear, even if JWs refuse to admit it.  
    Our personal “religion” should be based on the teachings of Christ.  Jesus’ early disciples embraced these teachings of the Word/Logos, who was the first of God’s creation. They were persecuted and killed for representing truth – for representing Jesus Christ. 
    When JWs are persecuted in other countries, it is not for the truth in Christ, but for an organization that exhibits extreme tactics that these other religions and countries recognize, but JWs accept as necessary to show loyalty to their organization and doctrine. If their loyalty was only to God, they could walk away from a corrupt religious society.   Sure, these countries also exhibit extreme tactics.  It is a fight for religious “freedom” on both sides.  But, that is a different scenario played out before different governors and kings than what Jesus suffered.
    To suffer as Christ did…for truth…we appear before “governors and kings” of our own spiritual people. (Matt 10:18)  None of the apostles walked away from falsehoods, but exposed them and fought against them, just as Jesus did.  In this respect, he is our example to follow.
    “And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them.”  Eph 5:11
    Who fights against us when we do expose the unfruitful works of false doctrine?  Is it not the GB and their organization?
    If we choose not to uphold the pristine TRUTH of Jesus, but uphold an organization that has two sleeves full of false predictions and teachings, how do we dare approach the God of Truth and assume we are blessed for our loyalty; which He knows is not a practice of loyalty to Him….not to Christ…but to men and their household of lies?
    “God is not a man, so He does not lie.
        He is not human, so He does not change his mind.
    Has He ever spoken and failed to act?
        Has He ever promised and not carried it through?”  Num 23:19
     To assume our conscience is clean before God, simply because we are loyal to an organization and the men who demand it, is standing in total darkness, not in the light of Christ.
    John 8:12 - Jesus spoke to the people once more and said, “I am the light of the world. If you follow me, you won’t have to walk in darkness, because you will have the light that leads to life.”
     
    So, in light of falsehoods that JWs admit are lies, what does a JW do?  Pray to God and say, I don’t believe in the new generation teaching, but I will continue to be loyal to your “faithful slave” who has served it up for all of us as “nourishing spiritual food”?  I will continue to be loyal to your organization that started on a foundation of lies and continues to lead us into the “temptation” of false promises, no matter how successful it has “preached” its doctrine throughout world?   I will accept your false priesthood even though you have appointed your holy priests as “ambassadors” of your Son in truth? (2 Thess 2:3,4,9-12)  I will accept the disfellowshipping arrangement that you set in place that spiritually “kills” those who desire to follow only your Son and his teachings of truth?  (Rev 11:1-3,7; Rev 13:15)
    What sort of god do JWs worship?  They worship a god of lies – an organization that wields a dual power of deception.  (Rev 13:10; 16:13-16)
    “Don’t let anyone capture you with empty philosophies and high-sounding nonsense that come from human thinking and from the spiritual powers of this world, rather than from Christ.”  Col 2:8 
    But every JW has fallen for made up stories; in essence, doctrines of lies - of demons, since the doctrine of Christ Jesus would never contain a lie.    ( John 7:16-18; 8:44; 2 Pet 1:16;  1 Tim 4:1; 2 Pet 2:1-3)
     
    31 Then Jesus began to tell them that the Son of Manmust suffer many terrible things and be rejected by the elders, the leading priests, and the teachers of religious law. He would be killed, but three days later he would rise from the dead. 32 As he talked about this openly with his disciples, Peter took him aside and began to reprimand him for saying such things.
    33 Jesus turned around and looked at his disciples, then reprimanded Peter. “Get away from me, Satan!” he said. “You are seeing things merely from a human point of view, not from God’s.”
    34 Then, calling the crowd to join his disciples, he said, “If any of you wants to be my follower, you must give up your own way, take up your (“stake”)cross, and follow me. 35 If you try to hang on to your life, you will lose it. But if you give up your life for my sake and for the sake of the Good News, you will save it. 36 And what do you benefit if you gain the whole world but lose your own soul? 37 Is anything worth more than your soul? 38 If anyone is ashamed of me and my message in these adulterous and sinful days, the Son of Man will be ashamed of that person when he returns in the glory of his Father with the holy angels.”  Mark 8:31-38
     
    What is the message of Christ? It is how to achieve eternal life. His message does not contain, even one lie.  His message today, is to expose the leaders of the organization as spiritual false prophets/harlots who have misled the "elect". (Matt 24:24)  His message is that the organization will be eliminated. (Rev 1:1; 13:5-8,11,12; 19:19-21; 18:4-8)  God does not cleanse organizations built in Satan’s world, he cleanses the hearts of those who desire to follow only His Son, who is truth. He will not save this organization, that has spiritual blood on its hands.    (Jer 14:14; 5:31) (Rev 17:6)  He saves people.  (Matt 24:31)
    That is good news indeed. The end of spiritual captivity to darkness – to lies - is here, but it takes faith in God and Jesus, to achieve it.  (Isa 42:7; 51:14; John 6:35)
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    Witness reacted to 4Jah2me in Archaeological Evidence for 607 BCE   
    Quote @Thinking  I also am old like Aruana..and I remember what you say...but tell me this...in all of our biblical history of God having a people....when did they never disappoint him and even becoming worse than the nations around them.
    The Israelites did it,,the Jews did it,,,you honestly think it’s not going to happen again...I decided to not be their  collateral damage...or killed of by friendly fire....
    BUT  the Israelites and Jews were what ?  I do wish you people would understand. The Israelites and Jews were God's CHOSEN NATION.  That meant that people were BORN INTO that NATION. They did not have a choice. Well they could be stoned to death of course but it seems most preferred not to be.
    From Russell onward, every one that became a Bible Student / Watchtower follower / JW / CCJW member, has done so of FREE WILL, FREE CHOICE.  Even ones born into the JW Org, have to 'make the religion their own', and they are not JWs until baptism, which 'should be' voluntary.  So the situation is totally opposite to the Jews..
    Remember that the disciples of Jesus were apostates of the Jewish religion. Why did they turn apostate ? Because they saw the truth in Christ that was not in the Jewish religion. 
    But the Jewish religious leaders would have said that Jesus' disciples were turning their back on God and on God's chosen nation. The same as JWs say that ex JWs are doing. 
    I do like that you admit that your GB and it's Watchtower causes  collateral damage.  and  killed of by friendly fire.. .... I've been saying that for years now. Collateral Damage is DELIBERATE 'KILLING'. 'MURDER'.  @Witness has been saying that for years too. People here mock Witness and me for saying such things, so it's nice to read those words of agreement from you. 
    It seems that both you and @Anna admit to so much wrongdoing by your GB / Watchtower Soc' / JW Org / CCJW  (it's getting difficult to keep up with all their name changes) BUT both of you are in so deep you are afraid to leave. 
     
     
     
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in "NUMBERS DON'T LIE, BUT YOU CAN LIE WITH NUMBERS"   
    I watched that this morning. Very good presentation about "hours" and statistic on preaching service, categorization.
    In my "last days of last days" period of my living JWorg i internationally put 30 minutes on report paper. Elder called me and say that i have to write new report because this i gave is not acceptable. Something like, give report next month on which i can put 30 minutes from this report. I reminded him how it is acceptable to put 15 minutes on report if you don't have more hours/time. Than he said that i have not permission from Elders for doing so. Or course, that was my last report :))
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    Witness got a reaction from 4Jah2me in JW 2020 YEAR TEXT, AN INSULT TO GOD AND CHRIST   
    I thought the same thing when I read the year text.   They are baptized in the name of an organization - in the name of an idol. 
    Why do JWs say they follow scripture when it is evident that they follow the doctrine of men instead?  And why, do they make excuses for their doctrines?  
    So he said to them, “Isaiah prophesied correctly about you hypocrites, as it is written,
    ‘This people honors me with their lips,
        but their heart is far, far away from me.
    7 And they worship me in vain,
        teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’
    8 Abandoning the commandment of God, you hold fast to the tradition of men.”
    9 And he said to them, “You splendidly ignore the commandment of God so that you can keep your tradition. "  Mark 7:6-9
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in "NUMBERS DON'T LIE, BUT YOU CAN LIE WITH NUMBERS"   
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