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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in Did everyone notice another book added to the Watchtower Library "CD" and the WOL?   
    If we transfer this assessment now to the question in the title of the topic, Did everyone notice ... then we need to notice at least two, three things:
    1) That a large part of JW members will not notice the differences between text in the paper form and  in digital form of already published publications.
    2) That newer generations of JW members have no idea what happened and what is happening to them “right under their noses” about history of own Organization.
    3) That changes to the official text on WTJWorg applications can happen in an instant, and that what you read this morning may look different if you read in the afternoon. So, for some readers, it may create insecurity in their own mind and memory, which means the mental and emotional instability of an individual.
    4) That digital technology enables a great possibility of manipulation
    .., etc
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    Witness reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in Charles Taze Russell: Dates, Expectations, Predictions, Apologies, Response, Relevance   
    Um, so is Rambo, CC and Billy the Kid and and et al.
    I noticed in his last comment to me that he no longer sounds so 'mature'.
     
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    Witness reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in Want to know what the Four Horsemen Represent?   
    Ah but I don't ridicule God, Christ, the Holy Spirit or God's written word. 
    What I laugh at is 'men' pretending to know something that God has not made known.
    Christ said, recorded at Matt 25 : 13
    Berean Study Bible
    Therefore keep watch, because you do not know the day or the hour.
    I don't pretend to have 'special knowledge' from God or Christ, so the days of Noah are not relevant to me in this false dating of the 'end time'.
    Quote "When the Sealing of the 144,000 concludes in 2033, whatcha you gonna do?  Oh my!"
    Billy the Kid, CC, you are showing your true self it seems. 
    I presume that by 2033 I will be dead and, if God through Christ should show me mercy I will get a resurrection much later. But if I'm still alive then, as one of the little dogs, I will be judged by Christ or by the angel he sends to judge me. But if i live for that time then I hopefully will find Truth from true Anointed ones. 
    I would not expect the True Anointed remnant to broadcast any made up 'dates'. But i do expect it of 'men' that wish to promote themselves. 
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    Witness reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in Want to know what the Four Horsemen Represent?   
    Matthew 24 : 8 
    New International Version
    All these are the beginning of birth pains.
    Berean Study Bible
    All these are the beginning of birth pains.
    NASB 1995
    “But all these things are merely the beginning of birth pangs
    -------------------------------------------------
    Matthew 24 : 6
    Berean Literal Bible
    And you will begin to hear of wars and rumors of wars. Behold, do not be alarmed; for it is necessary to take place, but the end is not yet.
    I see you've left out the 120 years this time.  
     
     
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    Witness reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in OBEDIENCE AND AUTHORITY – The Driving Purpose of the Organization   
    1 John 5 :199
    Berean Study Bible
    We know that we are of God, and that the whole world is under the power of the evil one.
    NWT
    19  We know that we originate with God, but the whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one.
    This seems to confirm that the Devil has that authority. And that is why true Christians are, as you say, 'no part of this world'. Unfortunately the Watchtower / CCJW / JW Org ARE part of that wicked world and they prove it regularly. 
    The Org are very materialistic and 'physical' in their thinking and actions. Large building complexes, the writing of many books, asking for donations, falsely predicting 'the time of the end', and deep involvement in Child Sexual Abuse, prove that they are indeed 'part of this world'. So who has authority over them ?  
     
     
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in OBEDIENCE AND AUTHORITY – The Driving Purpose of the Organization   
    Yes, in the hierarchy it is important to give everyone (primarily male members) their share of power participation. A very well-touched topic about our “dark” side of character and how that need for power develops in controlled conditions. Of course, anything that is tried to be controlled can always become uncontrollable.  
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Charles Taze Russell: Dates, Expectations, Predictions, Apologies, Response, Relevance   
    Not necessarily.
    Under the topic 4Jah2me <> Cesar Chavez, he stated:
    "Sinning against Holy Spirit is an unforgivable sin 4Jah2me. That is why you're weeping and gnashing your teeth. Enjoy the hot bath... 🥵"
    There was another similar one directed to me, but I can't find it.  It was at the end of one of his posts where he then closed it to further comments.
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Charles Taze Russell: Dates, Expectations, Predictions, Apologies, Response, Relevance   
    Not necessarily.
    Under the topic 4Jah2me <> Cesar Chavez, he stated:
    "Sinning against Holy Spirit is an unforgivable sin 4Jah2me. That is why you're weeping and gnashing your teeth. Enjoy the hot bath... 🥵"
    There was another similar one directed to me, but I can't find it.  It was at the end of one of his posts where he then closed it to further comments.
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    Witness got a reaction from Kick_Faceinator in Charles Taze Russell: Dates, Expectations, Predictions, Apologies, Response, Relevance   
    I read his comment to you and I had prepared an answer for him but found the thread had disappeared.  He is much like his spiritual “fathers” who set prophetic dates and time tables – all of which have not come true.  Has he not learned from the examples set by his leaders?  Now, if this had been someone in another religion doing the same, that person would be criticized and labeled a “false prophet”. 
    w59 7/1 p. 389-390
    #1:  Not all persons who have claimed to be Jehovah’s prophets were actually inspired by him. Regarding such false prophets in Israel Ezekiel said: “Thus says the Lord GOD, Woe to the foolish prophets who follow their own spirit, and have seen nothing! They have spoken falsehood and divined a lie; they say, ‘Says the LORD,’ when the LORD has not sent them, and yet they expect him to fulfil their word.” (Ezekl 13:3,6, RS) Jeremiah spoke similar condemnation against the false prophets who said Jerusalem would not fall. He said: “Do not listen to your prophets and to your practicers of divination and to your dreamers and to your practicers of magic and to your sorcerers, who are saying to you: ‘You men will not serve the king of Babylon.’ For falsehood is what they are prophesying to you.”—Jer 27:9,10.
    As there were false prophets then, so there are today. They will not hesitate to delude people into believing that they have knowledge of the future. An accurate knowledge of the future cannot be gained from such people.”
     
    #2:  The Governing Body is neither inspired nor infallible. Therefore, it can err in doctrinal matters or in organizational direction. In fact, the Watch Tower Publications Index includes the heading “Beliefs Clarified,” which lists adjustments in our Scriptural understanding since 1870. w17 February p. 26
    In #1, the truth is spoken.  All JWs read it, and heard it during their study.  In #2, the excuses for errors made by those who actually wrote the truth in #1, is the accepted protocol. 
    YET, they themselves state “an accurate knowledge of the future cannot be gained from such people”. 
    Who really, will be weeping and gnashing their teeth for their hypocrisy?  (Luke 12:54-56; Matt 24:48-51)
    By the way, the Wt. teaches that those who enter the organization have left Babylon the Great. 
    “For falsehood is what they are prophesying to you”  Jer 27:10
     
     
    Is there a Faithful Slave?
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Kick_Faceinator in Charles Taze Russell: Dates, Expectations, Predictions, Apologies, Response, Relevance   
    Malachi chapter 3
    Who is it that is being visited by a "messenger"? (Matt 17:11; Rev 11:1-3)  Who is receiving the message?
    The royal priesthood ("elect") must be cleansed. (Mal 3:1-4) Tell me, if they believe in proven falsehoods spoken by the GB, are they not in danger of losing their prospect of eternal life?  (Jer 23:16; Matt 24:23-26)
    This is why Jesus predicted a division among  Israel in his day, and "Israel" and those with them, today.  (Luke 12:51)
    “Your words against me are harsh,” says the Lord.
    Yet you ask, “What have we spoken against you?”
    14 You have said, “It is useless to serve God. What have we gained by keeping his requirements and walking mournfully before the Lord of Armies? 15 So now we consider the arrogant t be fortunate. Not only do those who commit wickedness prosper, they even test God and escape.”
    It is wickedness in God's eyes to lead people into believing false dates and prophesies.  You may forget them, but He doesn't.  (Jer 14:10; Hos 9:9)
    In light of these sins, JWs praise a literal man-made rendition of the tetragrammaton, and not give praise to the God of Truth.  
    16 At that time those who feared the Lord spoke to one another. The Lord took notice and listened. So a book of remembrance was written before him for those who feared the Lord and had high regard for his name. 17 “They will be mine,” says the Lord of Armies, “my own possession on the day I am preparing. I will have compassion on them as a man has compassion on his son who serves him. 18 So you will again see the difference between the righteous and the wicked, between one who serves God and one who does not serve him.
    In the organization, God's requirements about His priesthood have not been kept.  Under the counterfeit priesthood/elder body, His sanctuary/Temple in the anointed has been trampled.  THAT is the body - the "church" that should be unified in the scripture you quote.  Instead, it is scattered among you; "living stones", left not one upon another.  (1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17; Eph 2:20-22; Matt 13:2)
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    Witness got a reaction from Kick_Faceinator in Charles Taze Russell: Dates, Expectations, Predictions, Apologies, Response, Relevance   
    Not necessarily.
    Under the topic 4Jah2me <> Cesar Chavez, he stated:
    "Sinning against Holy Spirit is an unforgivable sin 4Jah2me. That is why you're weeping and gnashing your teeth. Enjoy the hot bath... 🥵"
    There was another similar one directed to me, but I can't find it.  It was at the end of one of his posts where he then closed it to further comments.
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Charles Taze Russell: Dates, Expectations, Predictions, Apologies, Response, Relevance   
    I read his comment to you and I had prepared an answer for him but found the thread had disappeared.  He is much like his spiritual “fathers” who set prophetic dates and time tables – all of which have not come true.  Has he not learned from the examples set by his leaders?  Now, if this had been someone in another religion doing the same, that person would be criticized and labeled a “false prophet”. 
    w59 7/1 p. 389-390
    #1:  Not all persons who have claimed to be Jehovah’s prophets were actually inspired by him. Regarding such false prophets in Israel Ezekiel said: “Thus says the Lord GOD, Woe to the foolish prophets who follow their own spirit, and have seen nothing! They have spoken falsehood and divined a lie; they say, ‘Says the LORD,’ when the LORD has not sent them, and yet they expect him to fulfil their word.” (Ezekl 13:3,6, RS) Jeremiah spoke similar condemnation against the false prophets who said Jerusalem would not fall. He said: “Do not listen to your prophets and to your practicers of divination and to your dreamers and to your practicers of magic and to your sorcerers, who are saying to you: ‘You men will not serve the king of Babylon.’ For falsehood is what they are prophesying to you.”—Jer 27:9,10.
    As there were false prophets then, so there are today. They will not hesitate to delude people into believing that they have knowledge of the future. An accurate knowledge of the future cannot be gained from such people.”
     
    #2:  The Governing Body is neither inspired nor infallible. Therefore, it can err in doctrinal matters or in organizational direction. In fact, the Watch Tower Publications Index includes the heading “Beliefs Clarified,” which lists adjustments in our Scriptural understanding since 1870. w17 February p. 26
    In #1, the truth is spoken.  All JWs read it, and heard it during their study.  In #2, the excuses for errors made by those who actually wrote the truth in #1, is the accepted protocol. 
    YET, they themselves state “an accurate knowledge of the future cannot be gained from such people”. 
    Who really, will be weeping and gnashing their teeth for their hypocrisy?  (Luke 12:54-56; Matt 24:48-51)
    By the way, the Wt. teaches that those who enter the organization have left Babylon the Great. 
    “For falsehood is what they are prophesying to you”  Jer 27:10
     
     
    Is there a Faithful Slave?
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Charles Taze Russell: Dates, Expectations, Predictions, Apologies, Response, Relevance   
    I read his comment to you and I had prepared an answer for him but found the thread had disappeared.  He is much like his spiritual “fathers” who set prophetic dates and time tables – all of which have not come true.  Has he not learned from the examples set by his leaders?  Now, if this had been someone in another religion doing the same, that person would be criticized and labeled a “false prophet”. 
    w59 7/1 p. 389-390
    #1:  Not all persons who have claimed to be Jehovah’s prophets were actually inspired by him. Regarding such false prophets in Israel Ezekiel said: “Thus says the Lord GOD, Woe to the foolish prophets who follow their own spirit, and have seen nothing! They have spoken falsehood and divined a lie; they say, ‘Says the LORD,’ when the LORD has not sent them, and yet they expect him to fulfil their word.” (Ezekl 13:3,6, RS) Jeremiah spoke similar condemnation against the false prophets who said Jerusalem would not fall. He said: “Do not listen to your prophets and to your practicers of divination and to your dreamers and to your practicers of magic and to your sorcerers, who are saying to you: ‘You men will not serve the king of Babylon.’ For falsehood is what they are prophesying to you.”—Jer 27:9,10.
    As there were false prophets then, so there are today. They will not hesitate to delude people into believing that they have knowledge of the future. An accurate knowledge of the future cannot be gained from such people.”
     
    #2:  The Governing Body is neither inspired nor infallible. Therefore, it can err in doctrinal matters or in organizational direction. In fact, the Watch Tower Publications Index includes the heading “Beliefs Clarified,” which lists adjustments in our Scriptural understanding since 1870. w17 February p. 26
    In #1, the truth is spoken.  All JWs read it, and heard it during their study.  In #2, the excuses for errors made by those who actually wrote the truth in #1, is the accepted protocol. 
    YET, they themselves state “an accurate knowledge of the future cannot be gained from such people”. 
    Who really, will be weeping and gnashing their teeth for their hypocrisy?  (Luke 12:54-56; Matt 24:48-51)
    By the way, the Wt. teaches that those who enter the organization have left Babylon the Great. 
    “For falsehood is what they are prophesying to you”  Jer 27:10
     
     
    Is there a Faithful Slave?
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Charles Taze Russell: Dates, Expectations, Predictions, Apologies, Response, Relevance   
    Malachi chapter 3
    Who is it that is being visited by a "messenger"? (Matt 17:11; Rev 11:1-3)  Who is receiving the message?
    The royal priesthood ("elect") must be cleansed. (Mal 3:1-4) Tell me, if they believe in proven falsehoods spoken by the GB, are they not in danger of losing their prospect of eternal life?  (Jer 23:16; Matt 24:23-26)
    This is why Jesus predicted a division among  Israel in his day, and "Israel" and those with them, today.  (Luke 12:51)
    “Your words against me are harsh,” says the Lord.
    Yet you ask, “What have we spoken against you?”
    14 You have said, “It is useless to serve God. What have we gained by keeping his requirements and walking mournfully before the Lord of Armies? 15 So now we consider the arrogant t be fortunate. Not only do those who commit wickedness prosper, they even test God and escape.”
    It is wickedness in God's eyes to lead people into believing false dates and prophesies.  You may forget them, but He doesn't.  (Jer 14:10; Hos 9:9)
    In light of these sins, JWs praise a literal man-made rendition of the tetragrammaton, and not give praise to the God of Truth.  
    16 At that time those who feared the Lord spoke to one another. The Lord took notice and listened. So a book of remembrance was written before him for those who feared the Lord and had high regard for his name. 17 “They will be mine,” says the Lord of Armies, “my own possession on the day I am preparing. I will have compassion on them as a man has compassion on his son who serves him. 18 So you will again see the difference between the righteous and the wicked, between one who serves God and one who does not serve him.
    In the organization, God's requirements about His priesthood have not been kept.  Under the counterfeit priesthood/elder body, His sanctuary/Temple in the anointed has been trampled.  THAT is the body - the "church" that should be unified in the scripture you quote.  Instead, it is scattered among you; "living stones", left not one upon another.  (1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17; Eph 2:20-22; Matt 13:2)
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Charles Taze Russell: Dates, Expectations, Predictions, Apologies, Response, Relevance   
    Malachi chapter 3
    Who is it that is being visited by a "messenger"? (Matt 17:11; Rev 11:1-3)  Who is receiving the message?
    The royal priesthood ("elect") must be cleansed. (Mal 3:1-4) Tell me, if they believe in proven falsehoods spoken by the GB, are they not in danger of losing their prospect of eternal life?  (Jer 23:16; Matt 24:23-26)
    This is why Jesus predicted a division among  Israel in his day, and "Israel" and those with them, today.  (Luke 12:51)
    “Your words against me are harsh,” says the Lord.
    Yet you ask, “What have we spoken against you?”
    14 You have said, “It is useless to serve God. What have we gained by keeping his requirements and walking mournfully before the Lord of Armies? 15 So now we consider the arrogant t be fortunate. Not only do those who commit wickedness prosper, they even test God and escape.”
    It is wickedness in God's eyes to lead people into believing false dates and prophesies.  You may forget them, but He doesn't.  (Jer 14:10; Hos 9:9)
    In light of these sins, JWs praise a literal man-made rendition of the tetragrammaton, and not give praise to the God of Truth.  
    16 At that time those who feared the Lord spoke to one another. The Lord took notice and listened. So a book of remembrance was written before him for those who feared the Lord and had high regard for his name. 17 “They will be mine,” says the Lord of Armies, “my own possession on the day I am preparing. I will have compassion on them as a man has compassion on his son who serves him. 18 So you will again see the difference between the righteous and the wicked, between one who serves God and one who does not serve him.
    In the organization, God's requirements about His priesthood have not been kept.  Under the counterfeit priesthood/elder body, His sanctuary/Temple in the anointed has been trampled.  THAT is the body - the "church" that should be unified in the scripture you quote.  Instead, it is scattered among you; "living stones", left not one upon another.  (1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17; Eph 2:20-22; Matt 13:2)
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in Charles Taze Russell: Dates, Expectations, Predictions, Apologies, Response, Relevance   
    @JW Insider gave an opinion on who deleted the topic and why. What's so accusing in that about that other brother?
    You should have read the last comment from Rando that he sent me. It was troubling what this man thought of those who thought differently from him. And how he allows himself to pronounce a severe condemnation/judgement of another.
    In my opinion JW Insider has outstanding intellectual abilities and I don’t see any aspiration for self-praise. But even if I am wrong in my perception, it does not invalidate the results of the research and presentation he has shown. I hope he will stay on this forum in years to come.
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    Witness reacted to Kick_Faceinator in Charles Taze Russell: Dates, Expectations, Predictions, Apologies, Response, Relevance   
    “Do you think I came to bring peace on earth? No, I tell you, but division.” - Jesus Christ, Luke 12:51
    Uh oh…
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    Witness reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in Charles Taze Russell: Dates, Expectations, Predictions, Apologies, Response, Relevance   
    Perhaps you would say that to the Governing Body of the Watchtower / JW Org.  They are very keen on dates and especially giving false prophecy. 'the last part of the last day of last days' . 1941, 1975. Before the year 2000 et al.
    No honest hearted Anointed one (the GB) would pretend to be the F&DS and then give so much false information,
    And as for Bro Rambo, if he were a true JW then surely he wouldn't be putting up a date (2034) as that is only his opinion and could be a stumbling block to others. Plus the fact that it would seem to go against the grain of following the GB to get 'food at the proper time'.  
    Go now and have a good cry. If you don't like what people post you know the old saying, 'Just scroll on by'. 
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    Witness reacted to Kick_Faceinator in Charles Taze Russell: Dates, Expectations, Predictions, Apologies, Response, Relevance   
    Finding truth calls for a division amongst brothers and sisters so we can know who has Jehovah’s approval, and who does not.
    “But, of course, there must be divisions among you so that you who have God’s approval will be recognized!” 1 Corinthians 11:19
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in The Sealing of the 144,000 is at hand...   
    Then in a vision of the night the mystery was revealed to Daniel; then Daniel blessed the God of heaven.
    20 Daniel said:
    “Let his name, the name of God, be blessed throughout the ages,
        for the wisdom and the power are his.
    21 And he changes the times and the seasons,
        and he deposes kings and he sets up kings;
    he gives wisdom to wise men
        and knowledge to men who know understanding.
    22 He reveals the deep and the hidden things;
        he knows what is in the darkness,
        and the light dwells with him."  Dan chapter 2
    I already have. 

     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in The Sealing of the 144,000 is at hand...   
    It would be appreciated if you could just answer me with words.  I don't intend to read your whole book to find it, because you concentrate on dates, which the Bible warns us against.  Acts 1:7. Interestingly, the man of lawlessness who rules over the Temple members of God, sets his own times and laws.  We see that clearly in the organization, setting various times for Armageddon, and certainly instituting their own decrees related to "organization". Dan 7:25  
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in The Sealing of the 144,000 is at hand...   
    Question for you, @BroRando, if you do believe that the anointed are the spiritual Temple built on the Body of Christ, what do you say about your GB member, Gerrit Loesch, insisting that every JW is of the spiritual Temple?  Do you feel it is apparent that he is denying the truth about who comprise the Temple/dwelling place of God?
    1 Pet 2:5 -  "you also, like living stones, are being built into a spiritual house[a] to be a holy priesthood, offering spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ."
    [a] - into a temple of the Spirit
    Eph 2:19 - Consequently, you are no longer foreigners and strangers, but fellow citizens with God’s people and also members of his household, built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone.  In him the whole building is joined together and rises to become a holy temple in the Lord. 
    Perhaps this is why the GB are so excited about Ramapo.    They've got time to finish it and benefit from it.  And is this why Anna said she has heard that it is now the thought that Armageddon may take up to 20 more years before arriving.
    I see A. Morris sitting back comfortably, relishing his fleshly desires to build. 
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    Witness reacted to Pudgy in KING OF THE NORTH - MAY BROADCAST   
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in KING OF THE NORTH - MAY BROADCAST   
    WTJWorg leaders from past, till today, showed a great desire for the "end of the world" to come in 1914, 1925, 1941, 1975, by the end of the 20th century, by the end of the overlapping generation" ... and, if we live long enough, we will still hear their new predictions in some new or changed format.
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    Witness got a reaction from Dmitar in KING OF THE NORTH - MAY BROADCAST   
    True comment.
    "For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. 4 They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths."  2 Tim 4:3,4
    "sound doctrine" - basically meaning "healthy" doctrine. It can refer to "Christians whose opinions are free from error".  
    Healthy teachings are good spiritual food, good "fruit". (Matt 7:15-20)  Unhealthy teachings lead to spiritual sickness, even death.  But, if a leader/teacher who isn't producing sound doctrine because he is pursuing his own desires, does he really care if he is the cause of sickness and death in others?
    Heb 12:15 - "See to it that no one falls short of the grace of God and that no bitter root grows up to cause trouble and defile many.
     Rev 8:10,11 - "The third angel sounded his trumpet, and a great star, blazing like a torch, fell from the sky on a third of the rivers and on the springs of water— 11 the name of the star is Wormwood.[a] ("bitter substance")  A third of the waters turned bitter, and many people died from the waters that had become bitter."
     
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