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    Anna got a reaction from scholar JW in 607 B.C.E. - Is it Biblically Supported?   
    I don’t think trying to discredit 1914 is the reason. Not among serious Bible students and seekers of truth anyway. As for secular historians and scholars, logically, why would they be interested in discrediting 1914? Why should they care? I would think it’s only ex witnesses who would be happy to throw 1914 under the bus.
    Personally, I have no interest in discrediting 1914, but I am interested in truth. Unfortunately, and this is the part that raises suspicions in my mind (regrettably), is that  607/1914 is going to remain an unverified subject, and because of that it will be accepted by most JWs without question. What I mean by that is how many JWs are in the position where they are able to investigate anything like this at more than a cursory level? Honestly? When someone starts to study the Bible with JWs and begins to investigate the Trinity, Hell fire, immortality of the soul etc. easy! But 607 is a whole different kettle of fish!
    I would hazard a guess, and someone might have a better idea, but I think there can’t be more than 10% of JWs who are interested in Bible chronology to a deeper level. I personally know of no one, except maybe one brother, but I was a teenager at the time so I didn’t really pay much attention, but I know his library was full of history and scholastic books on the Bible and the Middle East. Thinking about it now, maybe the 10% is being generous; the real number might be nearer 1%. Chronology can't be everyone's hobby.  I don’t think this has anything to do with the level of intelligence of the friends but rather their focus. The average Witness just does not have the time to devote to researching this very involved subject. And most don’t have the desire. I wonder, how many have thoroughly read “When was ancient Jerusalem destroyed?”  part 1& 2 in the WT 11/10/1*  Probably a very few. And out of the very few, how many actually bothered to look up the references and do further research?  
    I for one find it frustrating because I know I cannot contribute to this discussion in any meaningful way because I just do not have the time to acquire all the background knowledge I would need in order to do so. I mean, how many years did it take COJ to write his treatise? I can only do this in snippets of maybe an hour every other day, (if that) making notes and drawing diagrams. I know what it’s like to study a subject, but you have to be young free and single and living with your parents, or a guy and retired (women still have to cook and clean, generally).
    So I think 607 will remain WT’s well hidden Achilles heel for a long while because of the majorities’ lack of interest, and those who might have interest; with work, taking care of family and all the theocratic activities, when would they find the time?
    *  https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2011736
    https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2011810
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    Anna got a reaction from Queen Esther in Are there more female than male Jehovah's Witnesses?   
    Definitely more women! Don't ask me why, you may not like the answer..
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    Anna reacted to Evacuated in What are some disturbing things Jehovah Witnesses believe?   
    Who would these things be disturbing to?
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    Anna reacted to Evacuated in Australian Royal Commission and JW 2017   
    More to the point:
    https://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/religious-institutions
    Australian RC Final Report 2017 - Jehovahs Witnesses.pdf
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    Anna reacted to TrueTomHarley in 2017 Service Year Report Grand Totals   
    Homeschooling the kids, we used to color in on a world map each year the various countries - with colors corresponding to penetration of the good news, as in 'publisher to general population' ratio. It was a fine way to teach both theocracy and geography
    We used the rainbow. Red was the greatest concentration. Violet was stone cold. Alas, today it might all be misconstrued as the advancement of gay rights.
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    Anna reacted to scholar JW in 607 B.C.E. - Is it Biblically Supported?   
    Anna
    The reason why we accept 539 BCE and not 587 Bce even though both dates are derived from similar secular sources but reflect diifferent methodologies in calculating these. The answer is Methodology for WT scholars make a determination based upon the textual, historical, biblical and astronomical sources. All of these things must come together in order for a measure of confidence be assured. It is only very recent times from 2000 that METHODOLOGY has become part of the Chronologist's toolkit in order to solve some of the vexing issues of OT chronology such as the precise date for the Fall of Jerusalem in either 586 or 587 BCE We have course have long solved this problem by fixing the precise date of 607 BCE because of the 70 years.
    scholar JW
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    Anna reacted to Ann O'Maly in 607 B.C.E. - Is it Biblically Supported?   
    @Anna -  No. The date 539 BCE is derived from the very same historical sources as 587 BCE.
    There is the Babylonian Chronicle that indicates Babylon fell in Nabonidus' 17th year.
    How can we pin a BCE date to Nabonidus' 17th year? Babylonian astronomical tablets, that's how - by using the ancient sky clock. The astronomical record on VAT 4956 gives an anchor point for Nebuchadnezzar's 37th year being none other than 568-7 BCE. There are other astronomical anchor points too - one of which is dated to Cambyses' 7th year (522-1 BCE). The method is, once we find out how many years kings ruled (evidenced from other historical data), to count forwards or backwards accordingly.
    And so, we arrive at 539 BCE for Babylon's conquest and 587 BCE for the 18th year of Nebuchadnezzar when he destroyed Jerusalem (Jer. 52:29).
     
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    Anna reacted to JW Insider in 607 B.C.E. - Is it Biblically Supported?   
    In fact, both dates conform to the exact same set of sources. They are both part of the same NB chronology which is overwhelmingly supported by the evidence from all the archaeological and astronomical sources. You could use 8 sources and come up with both 539 and 587 as correct, and you use only four of those sources and still come up with both dates as correct. You could also dismiss those 4 you just used, and use the other 4 and still see that both dates are correct. You simply cannot accept the data for 539 without also accepting the data for 587.
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    Anna reacted to JW Insider in Why is it that Jehovah's Witnesses do not enter other church buildings?   
    I was assigned to give a Manhattan tour to several of the new Gilead classes around the period from 1977-1981. There were two churches on the tour, and one (St. Patrick's) we would enter if there was not a major event going on at the time. About half the class would not enter and I was told to expect this and just let them know it was considered to be completely up to them, and to please stay nearby if they were not comfortable. Often the instrumental organ or choir music was beautiful and a couple times I heard it mentioned that even those who went in felt bad for enjoying it.
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    Anna reacted to JW Insider in Why is it that Jehovah's Witnesses do not enter other church buildings?   
    The opening bell at 9:30 at the New York Stock Exchange is a more religious experience for a lot of New Yorkers.
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    Anna got a reaction from Melinda Mills in Why is it that Jehovah's Witnesses do not enter other church buildings?   
    I know some who don't, but it is not a rule. I for one would never miss the Sistine chapel! 
    While out on the ministry in England, as teenagers, we would sometimes stop and go inside a church and look for God's name in the big Bible by the pulpit. We would leave it open at Psalms 83.
     
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    Anna got a reaction from Evacuated in Why is it that Jehovah's Witnesses do not enter other church buildings?   
    I know some who don't, but it is not a rule. I for one would never miss the Sistine chapel! 
    While out on the ministry in England, as teenagers, we would sometimes stop and go inside a church and look for God's name in the big Bible by the pulpit. We would leave it open at Psalms 83.
     
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    Anna reacted to Evacuated in Why is it that Jehovah's Witnesses do not enter other church buildings?   
    Duh?????
    They do??? But not to worship.........(No brainer that one I would have thought.)
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    Anna got a reaction from DespicableME in 607 B.C.E. - Is it Biblically Supported?   
    Thank you @JW Insider @Ann O'Maly and @scholar JW. I am processing all the information, and made lots of notes. Just haven't had time to put it all together yet.
    I have one question in the meantime, why is it that WT has no trouble accepting the 539 date but will not accept the 587 date? Besides the obvious reason, are both dates based on completely different historical sources? Pardon the ignorance, I just haven't got that far in my research yet.
     
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    Anna got a reaction from Ann O'Maly in 607 B.C.E. - Is it Biblically Supported?   
    Thank you @JW Insider @Ann O'Maly and @scholar JW. I am processing all the information, and made lots of notes. Just haven't had time to put it all together yet.
    I have one question in the meantime, why is it that WT has no trouble accepting the 539 date but will not accept the 587 date? Besides the obvious reason, are both dates based on completely different historical sources? Pardon the ignorance, I just haven't got that far in my research yet.
     
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    Anna reacted to Evacuated in Why are the Bible book colors lighter or darker on JW library?   
    Just a simple color coding based on a traditional grouping of Bible Books according to type, not chronology or authorship.  This is not the only grouping in existence, but it is a commonly used version. Others may care to comment in more detail on the history of the particular grouping as used in the New World Translation, but  In the case of the Hebrew Scriptures, the grouping dates back at least to the Septuagint version. 
    The alternate colours make it easy (for some) to find a particular book in the list of 66,  (if you have an idea of the groupings of course).
    Pentateuch or Law (5 books): Genesis to Deuteronomy
    Historical (12 books): Joshua to Esther
    Poetic or Wisdom (5 books): Job to Song of Solomon
    Prophets (17 books): Isaiah to Malachi
    Gospels (4 books): Matthew to John
    Acts (1 book)
    Letters (21 books): Romans to Jude
    Revelation (1 book)
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    Anna got a reaction from Noble Berean in Watchtower pays $4000 per day for disobeying Secular Authority   
    No, they really mean 2018. January. Don't forget as well the Americans write their dates in the month/day/year format. It's under "scheduled actions" and it's due 30 days from when it is issued. So I said it wrong. It was evidently issued 8th December 2017 and is due 8th January 2018
    http://appellatecases.courtinfo.ca.gov/search/case/scheduledActions.cfm?dist=41&doc_id=2150357&doc_no=D070723&request_token=NiIwLSInLkg9WzApSSFNXE1IQEw6UkxbJCJeWzhTQCAgCg%3D%3D
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    Anna got a reaction from Evacuated in Watchtower pays $4000 per day for disobeying Secular Authority   
    No, they really mean 2018. January. Don't forget as well the Americans write their dates in the month/day/year format. It's under "scheduled actions" and it's due 30 days from when it is issued. So I said it wrong. It was evidently issued 8th December 2017 and is due 8th January 2018
    http://appellatecases.courtinfo.ca.gov/search/case/scheduledActions.cfm?dist=41&doc_id=2150357&doc_no=D070723&request_token=NiIwLSInLkg9WzApSSFNXE1IQEw6UkxbJCJeWzhTQCAgCg%3D%3D
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    Anna got a reaction from JW Insider in Watchtower pays $4000 per day for disobeying Secular Authority   
    No, they really mean 2018. January. Don't forget as well the Americans write their dates in the month/day/year format. It's under "scheduled actions" and it's due 30 days from when it is issued. So I said it wrong. It was evidently issued 8th December 2017 and is due 8th January 2018
    http://appellatecases.courtinfo.ca.gov/search/case/scheduledActions.cfm?dist=41&doc_id=2150357&doc_no=D070723&request_token=NiIwLSInLkg9WzApSSFNXE1IQEw6UkxbJCJeWzhTQCAgCg%3D%3D
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    Anna got a reaction from Noble Berean in Watchtower pays $4000 per day for disobeying Secular Authority   
    @Gone Fishing   According to the link for the appellate court case information Srecko provided, a remittitur has been issued on 01/08/2018 which means it has been handed back down to the lower court. I am no lawyer so I don't know what this means for WT, whether it will be appealed again, or whether the lower court will close the case.....or what...one would need to ask someone who knows what they are talking about.
     
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    Anna got a reaction from Evacuated in Watchtower pays $4000 per day for disobeying Secular Authority   
    Someone already posted this at the beginning of this thread.
    It is up in the air because it can be appealed. Which no doubt it will be...until it reaches the US supreme court. They have always treated us fair. Ok, most of the time. So there is a possibility this will come to nothing at all.
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    Anna got a reaction from JW Insider in Spiritual Hierarchy Within The Jehovah's Witnesses   
    1 John 5:20  "But we know that the Son of God has come,  and he has given us insight* so that we may gain the knowledge of the one who is true. And we are in union with the one who is true, by means of his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and life everlasting.
    * Lit., “mental perception; intellectual capacity.
      Proverbs 2:1-4  "My son, if you accept my sayings And treasure up my commandments, By making your ear attentive to wisdom And inclining your heart to discernment;  Moreover, if you call out for understanding And raise your voice for discernment;  If you keep seeking for it as for silver, And you keep searching for it as for hidden treasures; Then you will understand the fear of Jehovah, And you will find the knowledge of God".
    Is this only the privilege of the Slave/GB or is it all of the anointed and by extension those who are associated with them, the great crowd?
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    Anna reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in Spiritual Hierarchy Within The Jehovah's Witnesses   
    ..and now for something completely different, to releve a great deal of stress and wasted effort .... a short musical interlude ...
     
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