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    TrueTomHarley got a reaction from 4Jah2me in Hundreds of child abuse payments held up   
    Yes, of course I am using the word “prove” loosely. This is apparent by looking at the other two factors offered as “proof”—that concerning the Drudge item and that concerning the application of torture in Russia. Of course it is evidence, not proof.
    Nitpicking. “Persons given authority” I might have said. Average, ‘sit on your rear end’ parishioners—in other words, the vast majority—how many of them have been reported? That is what must be known if we are to suppose that the comparison with JWs is apples to apples.
    It seems unlikely to me because if the brothers are as underhanded as you suggest, why not clean all of them up? Of the first 5 elders and MS on the list, one was convicted—of which there will be a public record. Why not “clean the others up?”
    In fact, nothing will be proven for anything until we shake down those carrying authority of every organization on earth, squeezing all their documents out of them, and assuming that if they have none, it is because they are covering up! Enough!
    What IS proven is that the Boy Scout of America took me camping, taught me how to tie knots, did their best to help me grow up, and in recent days declared bankruptcy because, while they may have striven to get a handle on those who would abuse children, they were not perfect In this regard, some slipped through.. At the time I first wrote of a huge settlement against them, at the time the largest cash verdict for CSA involving a single individual, the Boy Scouts were reported as having a strong anti-CSA policy—which was used against them!

    Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. Look, just make it illegal for children and adults to be in proximity of each other! Outlaw it! Just think of how many children will be protected that way!
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    TrueTomHarley reacted to Anna in Hundreds of child abuse payments held up   
    As a side note: it seems the issue here is the American database. We are under NO obligation to hand over this database to lawyers, and if for some reason Lawyers do get a hold of them, then they are forbidden to make them public. By law, they have to keep all such documentation strictly confidential. However, if something like the Australian commission was set up here (USA), then perhaps a nameless database would be made public, just like in Australia. But the lawyers aren't interested in that kind of a database, they are interested in names of perpetrators so they can encourage survivors to file lawsuits against the organization and then rake in the cash. Like this they have to rely on survivors coming forward and filing a lawsuit. Most JW survivors are not interested in filing lawsuits against the organization because they see it's obvious the organization cannot be held responsible for every Tom, Dick, and Harry perpetrator (or those mishandling the case).  In contrast, many ex-JW survivors want to sue the organization because they hate it and want to see it "burn".
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    TrueTomHarley got a reaction from Anna in Hundreds of child abuse payments held up   
    In virtually every case except Jehovah’s Witnesses the ones committing the abuse were the ones holding authority or office within the institution
    With Jehovah’s Witnesses, that is rarely the case. Their organization is being asked to assume responsibility for any of their members who have ever committed the crime.
    It is not exactly apples to apples.
     
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    TrueTomHarley got a reaction from Melinda Mills in Hundreds of child abuse payments held up   
    In virtually every case except Jehovah’s Witnesses the ones committing the abuse were the ones holding authority or office within the institution
    With Jehovah’s Witnesses, that is rarely the case. Their organization is being asked to assume responsibility for any of their members who have ever committed the crime.
    It is not exactly apples to apples.
     
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    TrueTomHarley got a reaction from Arauna in Hundreds of child abuse payments held up   
    In virtually every case except Jehovah’s Witnesses the ones committing the abuse were the ones holding authority or office within the institution
    With Jehovah’s Witnesses, that is rarely the case. Their organization is being asked to assume responsibility for any of their members who have ever committed the crime.
    It is not exactly apples to apples.
     
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    TrueTomHarley got a reaction from 4Jah2me in Hundreds of child abuse payments held up   
    In virtually every case except Jehovah’s Witnesses the ones committing the abuse were the ones holding authority or office within the institution
    With Jehovah’s Witnesses, that is rarely the case. Their organization is being asked to assume responsibility for any of their members who have ever committed the crime.
    It is not exactly apples to apples.
     
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    TrueTomHarley got a reaction from James Thomas Rook Jr. in WHY .... doesn't Jehovah God consider warfare ... murder?   
    and you are so trigger-happy with the barbs, put-downs, and insults, not to mention the cartoons, that I hesitate to get close enough to find out.
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    TrueTomHarley got a reaction from James Thomas Rook Jr. in WHY .... doesn't Jehovah God consider warfare ... murder?   
    I really honestly truly have no idea what you are talking about, as explained by my previous comment & only amplified since.. My bad, if you want to make it that way, but I don’t follow this at all.
    Are you upset that you didn’t fight in the big war—is that it?
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    TrueTomHarley got a reaction from James Thomas Rook Jr. in WHY .... doesn't Jehovah God consider warfare ... murder?   
    I really honestly truly have no idea what you are talking about, as explained by my previous comment & only amplified since.. My bad, if you want to make it that way, but I don’t follow this at all.
    Are you upset that you didn’t fight in the big war—is that it?
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    TrueTomHarley got a reaction from 4Jah2me in WHY .... doesn't Jehovah God consider warfare ... murder?   
    and you are so trigger-happy with the barbs, put-downs, and insults, not to mention the cartoons, that I hesitate to get close enough to find out.
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    TrueTomHarley got a reaction from 4Jah2me in WHY .... doesn't Jehovah God consider warfare ... murder?   
    A friend of mine used to say that he would never trust a willing military participant in the new system, for “he has proven in this system that he will pick up a gun and blow off my head if some man tells him to.”
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    TrueTomHarley got a reaction from Arauna in WHY .... doesn't Jehovah God consider warfare ... murder?   
    Well, it doesn’t entirely fit, but the speaker yesterday drew the following contrast between knowledge and understanding:
    Knowledge: a tomato is a fruit
    Understanding: Don’t put it in a fruit salad.
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    TrueTomHarley got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in WHY .... doesn't Jehovah God consider warfare ... murder?   
    Well, it doesn’t entirely fit, but the speaker yesterday drew the following contrast between knowledge and understanding:
    Knowledge: a tomato is a fruit
    Understanding: Don’t put it in a fruit salad.
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    TrueTomHarley got a reaction from 4Jah2me in WHY .... doesn't Jehovah God consider warfare ... murder?   
    Well, it doesn’t entirely fit, but the speaker yesterday drew the following contrast between knowledge and understanding:
    Knowledge: a tomato is a fruit
    Understanding: Don’t put it in a fruit salad.
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    TrueTomHarley got a reaction from 4Jah2me in WHY .... doesn't Jehovah God consider warfare ... murder?   
    Does he want to eliminate the requirement that Christians refrain from wars? Is that what he is driving at?
    I should take the time to figure out myself whether he is advocating that, I know, but he is not being particularly transparent, he is distracted by answering a number of dubious characters, I am always waiting for the other shoe to drop with him in the form of a staggeringly disrespectful cartoon or quote, and I am up to my ears in my own projects. Other than that, I have no excuse for not having deciphered this more accurately.
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    TrueTomHarley got a reaction from James Thomas Rook Jr. in WHY .... doesn't Jehovah God consider warfare ... murder?   
    Does he want to eliminate the requirement that Christians refrain from wars? Is that what he is driving at?
    I should take the time to figure out myself whether he is advocating that, I know, but he is not being particularly transparent, he is distracted by answering a number of dubious characters, I am always waiting for the other shoe to drop with him in the form of a staggeringly disrespectful cartoon or quote, and I am up to my ears in my own projects. Other than that, I have no excuse for not having deciphered this more accurately.
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    TrueTomHarley got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Persecution of Jehovah’s Witnesses in Russia—Are Not the Anti-Cultists Responsible?   
    You idiot, the three examples you’ve given are all clergy—those in leadership capacity. Exactly my point. With JWs it is almost never those who would correspond to clergy—it is the ordinary member. The printing presses will run dry if they ever attempt to report on members of the other denominations—but they never will because hardly anyone other than JWs tried to do anything about the CSA problem. 
    And there is Srecko giving you a ‘thanks’ for the ridiculous comparison you made. Silly as you may be, he does not here give evidence that he is any smarter.
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    TrueTomHarley got a reaction from James Thomas Rook Jr. in 5G temperature scanning robot can now be found at many train stations and airports across China   
    Cats go crazy with the red pointer ones. I’ve seen cats climb halfway up a room wall trying to catch that dot.
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    TrueTomHarley got a reaction from 4Jah2me in In Chita, Vadim Kutsenko Reports That During Interrogation He Was Beaten Using Electric Shock to His Stomach and Leg   
    A report on the torture of Jehovah’s Witnesses in Russia and 4Jah attaches an laughing emoji to it. What a nasty piece of work he is.
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    TrueTomHarley got a reaction from Arauna in In Chita, Vadim Kutsenko Reports That During Interrogation He Was Beaten Using Electric Shock to His Stomach and Leg   
    A report on the torture of Jehovah’s Witnesses in Russia and 4Jah attaches an laughing emoji to it. What a nasty piece of work he is.
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    TrueTomHarley got a reaction from 4Jah2me in Persecution of Jehovah’s Witnesses in Russia—Are Not the Anti-Cultists Responsible?   
    See how the report is about Jehovah’s Witnesses being tortured in Russia and @4Jah2me attaches a laughing emoji.
    What a nasty piece of work he is.
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    TrueTomHarley got a reaction from JW Insider in In Chita, Vadim Kutsenko Reports That During Interrogation He Was Beaten Using Electric Shock to His Stomach and Leg   
    A report on the torture of Jehovah’s Witnesses in Russia and 4Jah attaches an laughing emoji to it. What a nasty piece of work he is.
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    TrueTomHarley got a reaction from 4Jah2me in Persecution of Jehovah’s Witnesses in Russia—Are Not the Anti-Cultists Responsible?   
    Isabella reports—this is the second occasion of it—Jehovah’s Witnesses being arrested and detained in Russia—and subjected to torture.
    With an active and prolific hate campaign being waged against Jehovah’s Witnesses online, it is reasonable to think that it indirectly instigates persecution of them in Russia—even escalating to arrests in which torture is applied, as in this case. It is reasonable to think that it indirectly instigates the torching of two Kingdom Halls in the United States during 2019, both of which burned to the ground.
    Many groups are harassed in Russia, but it is Jehovah’s Witnesses who are head-and-shoulders the primary target. Why? It boils down to Jesus’ words: “If you were part of the world, the world would be fond of what is its own. Now because you are no part of the world...for this reason the world hates you.” (John 15:19) It is no more complicated than that. Hatred against Witnesses may be cloaked as reports from a “whistleblower” or complaints of those who would advocate freedom from “mind control,” but at root the motivation is simply disturbance that ones should choose to be “no part of the world.” No villain on TV ever says, “I am the villain.” Instead, he paints himself the wronged one with a righteous score to settle—and the program director strives so that we all see it that way. We must not be obtuse.
    From TrueTom vs the Apostates!—“The book Secular Faith - How Culture Has Trumped Religion in American Politics attempts to reassure its secular audience through examining the changing moral stands of churches on five key issues. The book points out that today’s church members have more in common with atheists than they do with members of their own denominations from decades past. Essentially, the reassurance to those who would mold societal views is: ‘Don’t worry about it. They will come around. They always do. It may take a bit longer, but it is inevitable.’ Jehovah’s Witnesses have thwarted this model by not coming around.”
    What is Secular Faith is saying is that churches have ceased being “no part of the world”—and having done such, are not hated, since “the world is fond of what is its own.” Jehovah’s Witnesses, and almost they alone, are yet remaining “no part of the world”—and that is why they are hated. That is why they have “apostates” who are off the charts in expressing vitriol. “Apostates” (within the Christian context) can be expected to proliferate in direct proportion to how the main body stays separate from the world. As such, Jehovah’s Witnesses should almost be proud of theirs, for in them they are validated. A religion that has made its peace on the “five key issues” of Secular Faith—what’s to apostatize from?
    Anti-Witnesses scream “Cult!” like patrons scream ‘Fire!’ in a crowded theater. Are Jehovah’s Witnesses a cult? To the extent they are, it is because the Bible is a cult manual. The behavioral, informational, thought, and emotional “control” that anti-Witness activists complain about are no more than people living by the Bible, living peaceably in this world while they look to the righteous new one to come, the one the Bible describes as “the real life.” (1 Timothy 6:19)
    I am not even sure that Witnesses should run from the word. It may be well to point to its origin. It is the same origin as ‘cultivate’—which denotes ‘caring for something’—and in a religious sense it refers to ‘caring for the matters of the gods.’ Okay. I’ll take it. Jehovah’s Witnesses ‘care for the matters’ of God. They trigger opposition from ones who don’t want them to do that. They trigger opposition from those who have crossed over to embrace various aspects of the world—the world that Jesus says not to be part of.
    This is clear in the testimony of one witness testifying for the prosecution in the Russian trial that would ban the JW organization. She complained of “complete and total control of life by the Administrative Center.” Asked to give an example of this, she reported her expulsion from the congregations after she “began her close, but not officially registered, relations with a man.” She wants to violate, within the congregation, the Bible sanction of ‘sex only within marriage.’ The Witness organization does not allow it—and she spins it as “complete and total control of life,” hoping to get the Russian Justices riled up.
    Look, it is fine to adopt the standards of the world so long as one goes there to do it—don’t bring it into the congregation. She signed on for such Bible-based standards, now she wants to change them—and when thwarted in that attempt, she seeks to get the organization that got in her way banned at the Russian Supreme Court! It is no more than revenge. It is no more than insisting the standards of the greater world be accommodated in the Christian congregation.
    Disfellowshipping itself is a last-ditch attempt at discipline, when all else has failed, to ensure that a member not bring standards of the world, no matter how commonly accepted, into the congregation. Is it harsh? It certainly can be spun that way, but as ought to be clear by considering Secular Faith, no denomination can obey Jesus’ direction to remain “no part of the world” without it.
    Among the reasons Christians were viciously persecuted in the first century was that their rituals were said to include cannibalism—historians report such. Obviously they did not, but from where might the charge originate? Might one look to the following passage in the sixth chapter of John, which begins by quoting Jesus?
    “I am the bread of life. Your forefathers ate the manna in the wilderness and yet they died. This is the bread that comes down from heaven, so that anyone may eat of it and not die. I am the living bread that came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread he will live forever; and for a fact, the bread that I will give is my flesh in behalf of the life of the world.
    Then the Jews began to argue with one another, saying: “How can this man give us his flesh to eat?” So Jesus said to them: “Most truly I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in yourselves. Whoever feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood has everlasting life, and I will resurrect him on the last day.”
    When they heard this, many of his disciples said: “This speech is shocking; who can listen to it?”...Because of this, many of his disciples went off to the things behind and would no longer walk with him. So Jesus said to the Twelve: “You do not want to go also, do you?” Simon Peter answered him: “Lord, whom shall we go away to? You have sayings of everlasting life. We have believed and have come to know that you are the Holy One of God.”  (6:48-69)
    What of the ones who did not “come to know” that Jesus was the Holy One of God? What of the ones who “went to the things behind and would no longer walk with him”? Did they thereafter leave their former co-disciples to worship in peace? Or did some of them draw from these words proof that Jesus would recommend cannibalism to his followers? Historians advance the notion seriously. And if some advanced the notion, might there not have arisen ones in the congregation who pinned the blame on Jesus himself, for uttering the words that got the persecution rolling; ‘what a blunder!’—I can imagine some saying (though not in his presence).
    It makes me think of the uproar over CSA within Jehovah’s Witnesses today. They are comparatively successful at preventing it—nobody, but nobody, has gathered every single member on earth (at the 2017 Regional Conventions) to consider detailed scenarios in which child sexual abuse might take place so that parents, obviously the first line of defense, can remain vigilant. But the world has little success at preventing CSA, so it focuses on punishing it after the fact. Constantly we read of individuals arrested over CSA allegations. The one detail that never accompanies such reports is that of the individual’s religious affiliation or lack thereof. Yet with Jehovah’s Witnesses, that detail is never lacking. Why? 
    Plainly, it is that the Witness organization attempted to do something about child sexual abuse—they did not just close their eyes as is typical of groups today, be they religious or not—and now liars are trying to spin it as though they love the stuff. Jehovah’s Witnesses are well-known as a religion that “polices its own.” It is an attribute that used to be viewed favorably, but now in the eyes of critics, it is spun as intolerable “control.” Those taking the lead in the Witness organization thereby came to know of individuals accused of CSA, and their “crime,” if it be one, is in leaving it up to affected ones themselves to report rather than “going beyond the law” to do it themselves. Time will tell how vile that sin is found to be, but it plainly falls far short of actually committing the CSA themselves, which is the pattern elsewhere. 
    As with Jesus and his remarks that can, in the scheming of dishonest ones, be spun into encouragement of cannibalism, so the JW policy on CSA is spun by similarly dishonest ones to indicate that the organization is determines to nurture and protect it, whereas nothing could be further from the truth. Three times before the Australian Royal Commission, Geoffrey Jackson of the Witnesses’s Governing Body pleaded for universal, mandatory reporting laws, with no exceptions—if that could only be done, it would make the job of the Witness organization in policing its own without raising the ire of those outside the congregation “so much easier.”
    Continuing his cross-examination, Justice Angus Stewart said: “Leaving aside the question of overriding mandatory law from the civil authorities...” I almost wish that Brother Jackson would have interjected at this point, “I wish you would not leave it aside, for it would solve the problem.” The greater world cannot make a dent in preventing childhood sexual abuse, and so it puts the onus on those who are trying to do something about it. Alas, our best lines invariably occur to us too late—had Brother Jackson picked up my line, it probably just would have got their backs up—and then (gulp) he would have looked at me with displeasure.
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    TrueTomHarley got a reaction from 4Jah2me in In Chita, Vadim Kutsenko Reports That During Interrogation He Was Beaten Using Electric Shock to His Stomach and Leg   
    The online hate campaign against JWs is indirectly—in some cases even directly—responsible for their persecution, even with torture, as in the above story.
    I have submitted a separate post on it:
     
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    TrueTomHarley got a reaction from James Thomas Rook Jr. in I Almost Wish That There Was More Public Kickback From WT Regarding CSA Charges   
    I liked him as governor—especially when he chided some colleagues to “not be girlie men”—in other words, step up to the plate on some issue or other. Turns out, though, that there were a lot of girlie men in California and they took issue with him.
    But my favorite celebrity turned governor was Jessie Venture of Minnesota. The bumper stickers read: “My Governor Can Beat Up Your Governor.”
    They asked Jessie about them. “Yeah, I’ve seen them, and they’re true, too. I’ve been to those governor conferences. I’ve looked those guys over. There’s not one of them I couldn’t take!” 

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