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    Nana Fofana reacted to TrueTomHarley in 24 YEAR OLD BETHELITE WOMAN RECENTLY DISFELLOWSHIPPED FOR APOSTASY COMMITS SUICIDE!   
    Yeah, @Nana Fofana, excellent point Srecko makes here! Why can't you quote any scriptures about what is happening 2000 years after they were written, hmm?
    For that matter, where is the scripture saying you can call yourself Nana on the internet? Srecko is very wise. Don't think you can slip anything past him.
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    Nana Fofana reacted to Arauna in 24 YEAR OLD BETHELITE WOMAN RECENTLY DISFELLOWSHIPPED FOR APOSTASY COMMITS SUICIDE!   
    I have been reading a bit of psychology and have watched some videos on philosophy etc. regarding the human condition.  Most psychologists/philosophers worth their salt (doing research at university - an know what they are doing - because there are not many),  know that the human condition is not flawed but downright malevolent - yes malevolent. (No man has not sinned).
    They will quote the mass killings in recent human history (and 20th century) and all the deviations going on around us, to prove how bad the human condition actually is.  Some predict that we are now entering the worst time in human history - an end to human civilization as we know it.  Some say that an attachment to Christian-Judeo values has kept mankind from the most debased practices and given us some human rights - but now with post-modernism philosophy all objective values of right and wrong are being thrown out together with the Bible and everything it stands for. Debased practices will openly become part of the human condition soon....... and one can see that as a moral society we are going down fast.
    To think that Witnesses are above this debased state is silly.  It is our education in Jehovah's ways that have dignified us somewhat. This is why we are warned to wage constant war against our own inclinations by Paul and other bible writers, who wrote under inspiration. We are all unbalanced, debased and in a sorry state - to think otherwise is to bamboozle yourself.  So we all have something mentally unbalanced somewhere - just depends on the degree. Sin and all the other things going on in this system is crouching at our door - all the time.  Just depends if we let it in.
    However, when we lift ourselves out of this condition and try very hard to obey Jehovah with all effort, then we can get his approval and a measure of his spirit - if we humble ourselves to ask for it. When we maintain our relationship with Jehovah then we can uplift ourselves and this in turn positivizes us, makes us aware that we need to show compassion and take care of each other tenderly. These qualities we develop gives us dignity and of course the promises of future blessings gives us hope... and yes - it is something to smile about when we share it with others.
    So when we start with any form of deviant behavior (away from Jehovah) then we become a wild card. What will come out of it we ourselves do not even know - like the waves of the sea being thrown hither and tither.  So this is why it is important to stay close to Jehovah by regularly reading his word and listening to the warnings of the slave - even if it does look like they are talking down to us.... Staying away from porn, bad movies etc. elevates us and helps us to stay a little more balanced in an increasingly deviant world.
    The human condition is so dire and seriously sick that we all should be very afraid to go there.
     
     
     
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    Nana Fofana reacted to TrueTomHarley in 24 YEAR OLD BETHELITE WOMAN RECENTLY DISFELLOWSHIPPED FOR APOSTASY COMMITS SUICIDE!   
    I believe you just did. It is the Question from Readers you brought up yourself  and misread a point perfectly obvious to everyone else. Some mistakenly think they have the calling because they are nuts - what's so hard about that? Nobody is saying who is who.
    Lest anyone think I ridicule people, let me say that I am not opposed to nuts. Many are nuts here. I am nuts. One man's nuts is another man's eccentric. I don't care to sort it out and don't know if I could if I wanted to. What I do know is that our nuts are harmless. With the world's nuts, you'd better buy a bullet-proof vest.
    @James Thomas Rook Jr. will know, if he can extract his face from out of a turkey, that I am very much opposed to those misreading points.
     
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    Nana Fofana reacted to Melinda Mills in Does death really erase sins?   
    "One consequence of the fact that the resurrection takes place at the end of the millennium is asking the question of what basis will be judged resurrected .
    So far we have been taught that the resurrected would be judged based on what they would do after their resurrection , that is, over a long period in the kingdom of Christ."    - Israeli Bar Avaddhon
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    Don’t think you understand this all together.  See below.
    (Romans 6:23) For the wages sin pays is death, but the gift God gives is everlasting life by Christ Jesus our Lord.
    (Romans 6:6, 7) . . .. 7 For the one who has died has been acquitted from his sin.
     Death acquits us of the sins we incur before death.
     (Acts 24:15) And I have hope toward God, which hope these men also look forward to, that there is going to be a resurrection of both the righteous and the unrighteous.
     We will not be resurrected perfect – just in suitable bodies – we will have the same attitude and tendencies but we will have a fresh start or in some cases to be fair a first chance to learn what is right.
     There will be a great crowd that will survive without dying that will also be imperfect still. (Rev 7:13-15,17)
    Lamb will guide them to everlasting life.
     (Revelation 20:12-15) 12 And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and scrolls were opened. But another scroll was opened; it is the scroll of life. The dead were judged out of those things written in the scrolls according to their deeds. 13 And the sea gave up the dead in it, and death and the Grave gave up the dead in them, and they were judged individually according to their deeds. 14 And death and the Grave were hurled into the lake of fire. This means the second death, the lake of fire. 15 Furthermore, whoever was not found written in the book of life was hurled into the lake of fire.
    Thousand year jubilee or Sabbath will be used to teach, heal and restore all mankind living on the Paradise earth.
     *** ka chap. 7 pp. 137-138 pars. 52-54 What to Expect of Judges for a Thousand Years ***
    “The millennial “land of straightforwardness,” of straightforward dealing with the people and among the people, will be a place where great favor is shown to all mankind in their inborn human imperfection. Some members of the human family have gone down more deeply into sinful degradation than others and have been hardened in an unjust personality because of long failing to be brought to account. Their accustomed bent is toward injustice. It is easy to see how wicked ones of that kind would find it difficult to learn righteousness and uprightness even when all around them there is straightforwardness and divine favor is being shown to them through the King Jesus Christ. In spite of all the help proffered to them, they will be inclined to do unjustly. They will not want to recognize the eminence of Jehovah as the rightful Lawgiver nor the rightness of His standards for living. Respecting them the principle set forth by the apostle Peter seems fitting:
    53 “For it is the appointed time for the judgment to start with the house of God. Now if it starts first with us, what will the end be of those who are not obedient to the good news of God? ‘And if the righteous man is being saved with difficulty, where will the ungodly man and the sinner make a showing?’”—1 Peter 4:17, 18.
    54 Persons who, in the “land of straightforwardness,” receive the “favor” of God in vain, missing its loving purpose, and who prove unreformable, need not necessarily be preserved to the end of the thousand years before being executed as unfit for eternal life in the Paradise restored to earth. Without any injustice to such who prove to be beyond correction, they may be executed by the one whom God has appointed to judge the inhabited earth in righteousness. These do not get their names written “in the book of life” and hence they are fit for nothing but the “second death,” as symbolized by the “lake of fire” that causes a complete destruction. (Revelation 20:14, 15) How wise and prudent it is, then, to be obedient now to the “good news of God” and to cultivate a love of righteousness in view of that coming Judgment Day!”
     
    Isa 11:9 – knowledge given about dealing with earth, animals; knowledge from the scrolls dispensed; mankind rehabilitated to perfection.
    End of millennium Satan will be let out of his “pit” to test restored mankind. See Rev 20:7
     Afterward (Adamic) Death the last enemy – will be destroyed.  Adamic death will be hurled into the lake of fire. It will no longer be needed nor will it happen.  See 1 Co 15:25,26; Rev 21:3,4., Rev 20:13,14
      (1 Corinthians 15:25, 26) For he must rule as king until God has put all enemies under his feet. 26 And the last enemy, death, is to be brought to nothing.
      (Revelation 20:13, 14) And the sea gave up the dead in it, and death and the Grave gave up the dead in them, and they were judged individually according to their deeds. 14 And death and the Grave were hurled into the lake of fire. This means the second death, the lake of fire.
     (Revelation 21:4) And he will wipe out every tear from their eyes, and death will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore. The former things have passed away.”
     Second death will always be available to Jehovah to destroy anything that threatens the universe, though this will be unlikely.  It is the second death or lake of fire that will destroy Satan and his demons, and also Adamic death. Wicked people,people who sin against the holy spirit,  the political nations, the false prophet, etc, will already have been thrown there.
     When the Rest of the “Dead” comes to life
    Does not mean the order of the resurrection.  Does not mean that this is when the righteous and unrighteous are resurrected.
    *** Bible Citations ***
    (Revelation 20:4, 5) And I saw thrones, and those who sat on them were given authority to judge. Yes, I saw the souls of those executed for the witness they gave about Jesus and for speaking about God, and those who had not worshipped the wild beast or its image and had not received the mark on their forehead and on their hand. And they came to life and ruled as kings with the Christ for 1,000 years. 5 (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the 1,000 years were ended.) This is the first resurrection.
    *** it-2 p. 249 Life ***
    In his command to Adam, God implied that if Adam obeyed, he would not die. (Ge 2:17) So with obedient mankind, when man’s last enemy, death, is brought to nothing, there will be no sin working in their bodies to bring death. To time indefinite they will not need to die. (1Co 15:26) This bringing of death to nothing takes place at the end of Christ’s reign, which the book of Revelation shows is 1,000 years long. Here it is said of those becoming kings and priests with Christ that they “came to life and ruled as kings with the Christ for a thousand years.” “The rest of the dead” not coming to life “until the thousand years were ended” must be those alive at the end of the thousand years, but before Satan is released from the abyss and brings the decisive test on mankind. By the end of the thousand years, people on earth will have reached human perfection, being in the condition that Adam and Eve were in before they sinned. Now they will really have life in perfection. Those who thereafter pass the test when Satan is released for a short time from the abyss will be able to enjoy that life forever.—Re 20:4-10.
     Will answer some more later.
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    Nana Fofana reacted to TrueTomHarley in What does a person have to do to survive Armageddon?   
    Says who? Paul himself, mostly, plus a handful that could testify he had experienced some sort of religious experience, though they were not able to catch any of the words. Skeptics on this forum would not have been impressed.
     What if those first century Christians had refused to listen to him or read his letters, saying 
     
    Why could they not have reasoned similarly? Let Jesus speak himself, if he has something to say! Why could they not have refused to listen to Paul the Middleman? When the verse says "Listen to him" it is not speaking of Paul.
    Perhaps there were some who did argue that way. I don't see why there wouldn't have been. Where are they now?
    The good news enjoyed tremendous growth under Paul? Big deal. It has done the same under the direction of the GB, yet that makes no difference to critics here.
    Practically speaking, what do you propose we should do if we allow no one to represent Christ, but insist on communication from Jesus himself?
     
     
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    Nana Fofana reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in 24 YEAR OLD BETHELITE WOMAN RECENTLY DISFELLOWSHIPPED FOR APOSTASY COMMITS SUICIDE!   
    It is clear, TTH that your understanding of statistics is that it has something to do with numbers, and not Lego blocks in the hallway at night, as you have completely misconstrued what I stated ..... as usual.
    It seems clear to me, now that the absurd extrapolations you make are the lenses you read through., and that to misunderstand EVERYTHING means you have a learning disability of some sort, predominately a lack of reading comprehension.
    As a last resort, follow the link I posted ... perhaps you just go insane when you read anything that Ah has written.
    I have that effect on many people.
     
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    Nana Fofana reacted to TrueTomHarley in 24 YEAR OLD BETHELITE WOMAN RECENTLY DISFELLOWSHIPPED FOR APOSTASY COMMITS SUICIDE!   
    I need a drink. Maybe I can snatch one from @The Librarian while she's not looking.
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    Nana Fofana reacted to Arauna in 24 YEAR OLD BETHELITE WOMAN RECENTLY DISFELLOWSHIPPED FOR APOSTASY COMMITS SUICIDE!   
    I do not know.  But I would comment that a person who has certain problems can commit suicide wherever they are and as soon as the right circumstances appear.  It does not matter what the religion and the people around one.
    I have read quite extensively about physical issues that can contribute to mental issues.  We all know that continuous stress, as an adult or  a child, can change the chemistry of the body.  There is enough evidence to show that chemical imbalances can trigger schizophrenia, is responsible for autism and many more conditions that can relate to mental illness.
    There is a doctor who healed her child from severe autism by replenishing the bodies' flora' - and with this I mean the good bacteria that was non-existent.  There are many hormones produced in the intestines that rely on good bacteria in the intestines.  (They found a shortage of serotonin in schizophrenia.)  Over use of antibiotics and chemicals in water etc... has decimated many people's first line of defense regarding mental and physical health in the intestines. No wonder the digestive system has been called the 'second brain'.  Pollution and many other factors are starting to surface as major contributing factors to mental illnesses.  I honestly believe that mental illness is not just a psychological disease but has its origins in the imbalance of chemicals/hormones in the body. 
    Of course, not all mental illness comes from physical diseases as there are other contributing phenomena.  People who dabble in satanism and drugs (which can cause schizophrenia) or other forms of entertainment /practices forbidden by God, know that they are treading a fine line where their conscience can be severely damaged as well.  So, what we expose ourselves to mentally of course will also affect us spiritually and we can lose our spiritual balance if we reject the guidelines of Jehovah.
    But we do know that Jehovah is a just god - and he knows us all intimately.  We cannot bamboozle him - only ourselves.... So he is the final judge of all and he will take all things into consideration. Our knowledge is very limited - and he knows this - for sure!
    It has been found that people who commit suicide can be impulsive and lose sight of reality...temporarily. It is this impulsive streak which has contributed to many young people's deaths by their own hand - similar to risk taking.  They are not yet mature to recognize this in themselves. (Serotonin is known to give calmness to a person...)
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    Nana Fofana reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in Legal Protection Offered by JW.org   
    My wife, Susan takes care of giving our six dogs a bath, except for Tony, my Siberian Husky, who is too heavy for her to lift into the bathtub.
    I wish I had a dog room like that one!
    I dunno if I would use that large under counter microwave, though ....
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    Nana Fofana reacted to TrueTomHarley in Watchtower pays $4000 per day for disobeying Secular Authority   
    Yeah, that's how I interact with the police, too. Can you think of anyone who doesn't? Can you think of any organization that doesn't?
    It may change, though. I have offered my suggestion for next year's yeartext: "Salvation belongs to the police."
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    Nana Fofana reacted to Evacuated in Watchtower pays $4000 per day for disobeying Secular Authority   
    And your point regarding this???
    Good to be reminded thank you very much. Yes, we are very well aware of these personal and "collective", (think I understand this term), areas of responsibility which is why we, for example  1. obey 1 Pet.3:21, and 2. obey Rev 18:4. 
    Great examples, but in the case of unwitnessed alleged murder, the city of refuge arrangement has relevance.
    The unwitnessed rape incident is also intriguing. Was Jehovah ever called as a witness additional to the victim?
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    Nana Fofana reacted to Anna in Watchtower pays $4000 per day for disobeying Secular Authority   
    Well that's an easy one What they changed must have not been proved or supported by the Bible then, even when they thought so at the time. The great thing about changing your mind is it can happen even when you say you will NEVER change it
    By the way, the two witness rule does not necessarily mean you have to have two literal eye witnesses to the same instance. The two witness rule can be translated to mean reliable evidence. You will agree that most secular judicial authorities require reliable evidence. Innocent until proved guilty.
    Also, there is confusion when it comes to child sexual abuse. In that case there are two judgements, one a spiritual/congregational one and the other a criminal/secular one. It is logical that if a supposed perpetrator is convicted by secular authorities, then that will immediately affect his standing in the congregation even if the congregation felt there wasn't enough evidence prior to that.
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    Nana Fofana reacted to TrueTomHarley in Watchtower pays $4000 per day for disobeying Secular Authority   
    One thing I like about @AllenSmithis that he does not yield the moral high ground. Why should he?
    I will concede that for one brief instant of time it may be that this or that advocate seems more a protector of a child than its congregation organization. But not too long after his or her back is turned, that child is tossed right back into an unprotected cesspool. The world has compiled a list of abusers that is so long it is absolutely worthless to enforcement. Consequently, being put on 'the list' is largely a matter of revenge or public shamimg - not undeserved, but it does nothing to solve the problem of protecting children. To some extent, it has devolved into a job machine and a platform for grandstanding politicians to declare how they are tough on pedophiles.
    England's top cop recently recommended all men found with pedophilia on their computers not be prosecuted. It pained him to say it, he said, but the simple fact is that there is so many that police cannot possibly keep up and are distracted from monitoring the real nasty ones - the ones who they say are like Medusa - look at it once, and your heart turns to stone.
    All the time, we hear of children abused by persons who were already on the list  - why - they were right down the street! The world chokes on its abusers. For that matter - the world is so nuts - it ought to put every victim on the list as well, or at least on a watch list, for it is common knowledge that an abused one readily becomes an abuser. Completely unfair - but it makes perfect sense for a world that thinks it can snuff out abuse through pedophile registries.
    Rapists are the ones who should be aggressively punished. No punishment is too great. As to the rest - look, even someone who recently confessed to being a victim of an extended family member - it probably would not have happened in these days of Caleb and Sophia, who are told: "If anybody tries to touch you - even if it is someone you know and trust ...  and then tell mommy or daddy." An extended family member doing abuse is common. A parent doing it is very uncommon, except in the case of a step-parent. The training of every Witness in the world via the Regional convention would also have gone a long way to prevent her calamity.
    Allen is right to never yield the high ground. It is a huge court mess the brothers dealing with and I don't know how it will resolve, but Allen will not allow others to pull the 'righteous' card. Even with this mess, we are more righteous than they. The court cases are a classic example of getting slammed for doing the right thing: monitoring any abuser so that they can  be punished and any other congregations protected by their slipping in and feigning innocence. Nobody else even tries it. Do they have 1 abuser per hundred, or 50 per 100? Nobody knows or wants to know. Only Jehovah's Witnesses have the courage to stand up to a moral outrage and they should not be maligned for it.
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    Nana Fofana reacted to Witness in Watchtower pays $4000 per day for disobeying Secular Authority   
    I agree with most all that you are saying, except many children are abused by a parent; a parent they thought they could trust.  Also, I was abused as a girl by someone in the extended family. Because my parents thought so highly of the individual, I never had the heart to tell them of my abuse that lasted years, even though I had an especially close bond with my father.  They died not knowing the sordid truth about my abuser.
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    Nana Fofana reacted to Space Merchant in Apostate Attack   
    No problem.
    From my point of view
    TL;DR Version
    I don't believe all apostates are bad, however, I believe those with ill-intent are those who are bad people, especially with the things I observed over a span of time, in addition to the other chaotic half of the apostates who attack both apostates and jws, as well as others of other faiths or non-believers. I also do not count all persons into one category, for I see that every group and those of a different walk of life have good people, but among them there is a few bad ones. But the constant back and forth is only contributing to the genocide of Christianity, which is, as we speak, continuing to diminishing, and should it foreshadow what was done by a superpower, Russia, chaos will break loose in the US, and all groups good and bad will be affected b so called protectors that will be there to only oppress.
    I am someone who constantly is worried about the things of today that will yield either a positive or a negative tomorrow.
    Long Version
    I made my claim and accepted it after observing 3 groups for sometime now, that often collide with each other, the JWs current/active, we have the exjws (apostates), former members of the faith, and the Anti-exjws, former members of JWs who were exjws (neo apostates), who had a separate view of things.
    All of them won't do these things, however, some have made their intentions known about JWs whereas some took action in some cases. Some apostates are unhinged and from several comments when spoken to a non-jw, the non-jws are often verbally attacked and bashed upon when they speak in reason or give their own opinion.
    One comment in particular when an exjw glorify the Manchester Bombing as a God sent. When a JW was murdered, the apostates attempt to pin the blame on JWs when a UK Youtuber, who was obviously angry, was tired of the back and forth, and brought up what the UK was doing regarding Hate Crime and Regulations, and he targeted the apostates, it took a teenager to stop the fighting and blame game. There has been some apostates who ran up to JW congregations to harass them on a daily basis, one person stated how one would feel if they disrupted a JW funeral or wedding. Another situation with a, you guess it, a gay guy, who is struggling to stop his ways defend JWs, specifically calling them Street level JWs (Preachers) only to have his channel attacked by a swarm of apostates and neo apostates, technically becoming a war zone.
    The apostates also had a divide at some point, resulting in the formation of the group I spoke of anti-exjws better known as neo apostates whereas both sides often attack jws or any other Christian/other faiths with their opinion and the like if they are not butting head, but the neo apostates have a creepy nature in "collection" i.e. stalk people all over YouTube, social media, in one case they were so angered with an apostate they revealed the person's full name and threaten to report said person to the police for vandalism, ironically their claim is that the police be on the watch for any congregation vandalism. The neo apostates, who are literally deprived of any faith compared to normal apostates side with Anti-Religion based Movements that attack ALL faiths (Christian, Muslims, etc.)
    --> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antireligion
    Some neo apostates have reasons to leave exjws, some moved on while others cause trouble for both jws and apostates. Some issues being, threatening comments that have gone too far, some wanting jws to have the death penalty, some threat jws, the apostates used a 2013 incident of a former jw's family that pushed him to retaliate only for apostates to bash him to, hence joining neo apostates, etc. I see it as a broken love triangle in a sense. The divide was due to how JWs should be handled, how one side is wrong and the other isn't, and the biggest one was when someone commented on a Hitler style like action to be done to JWs.
    As for viewing how the apostates are, not all of them are bad people, for only bad people have the mind for ill intent. But there has been talks of being far more aggressive with JWs from the apostate's camp, even though some have to constantly remind their members to not be violent with them or vandalism a place of worship, which someone had done a few weeks ago. So it is best to be watchful of any of the one's who want to do something bad.
    On the other side though there have been a number of non-jws who took sides, majority of them, despite being annoyed with jws on early mornings, are not against them 100% because these people know there is the good and bad in all groups, yet they are attacked, those who have family members who are JWs are often told threatening comments, some so great that a lot of comments have been deleted.Others have spoken, a guy who research Taze Russell for 55+ years, and more, especially on the Russian (who are fearing March 2018) side of YouTube and the Arabic side, even former lost peoples who converted to Christianity spoke up, yet still they are as always attacked.
    In short, apostates I see some good people, but not all of them are the same, same could be said for JWs, not all of them are the same, if we are to say all of them are the same, we have to say this of every other group, a question brought up often since the Texas incident, which was addressed in the video I linked. Even among apostates they do not wish harm to JWs or what to see them hurt, however the ill-intent ones among them will want to see someone suffering for baring the title, some will do something if  what they planned doesn't go their way. As for the neo apostates, these guys are a lost cause, for they spare no love for anyone, those who remain on the tirade, I've only see a few of them on other forums that had moved on completely, but those that remain spread influence like a fire. Even former members from that group who just simply moved on worry sometimes.
    As long as someone doesn't get something their way, even after a failed plot or two, they will beat the drums of war if they have to.What is even sadder is that Christianity itself is diminishing, and things like this contributes to reducing the faith, regardless of denominations.
    These things will only continue to get worse as hatred brews for some and the Texas Shooting raised some concern that some people spoke up about the whole apostate thing, stating where it may potentially lead.
    Lastly, Russia should be a prime example, for the jw ban was a massive impact an paved a way of all the craziness in Russia since the historical event of 2016. As we speak, JWs and other Christians have been and are being attacked and oppressed, some sent to Chechnya camps alongside Kremlin critics, a woman who is against the Kremlin was nearly killed, etc. If what took place for all non Orthodoxy Christians  have caused such damage, think of the scale it would do in the US? A group of religious people already have their sights on the White House, and these persons (and Arcanists) are part of Babylon the Great , should they succeed, it will spell disaster for you, the JWs, the apostates, the neo apostates, Muslims, Atheists, etc.
     
    At the end, God knows who is truly for him, and who is against him, those with bad intent and the intent to do bad.
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    Nana Fofana reacted to Space Merchant in Apostate Attack   
    What can be said there was an individual that had intervene against the apostate group, resulting in a 2 video becoming a warzone, some comments from several apostates that threaten said individual. People who lived in the area spoke up, but were bashed by the apostates, one person being threaten that his family that are jw will eventually see apostates storm his family's kingdom hall, even though the teenager wasn't a jw, he stood up for his family's faith.
    The man's claim was that the group will become more violent over time if they continue down this path, but they did not listen, it has gotten so serve that the Youtuber had to wipe out his first video about being against the raid in that kingdom hall. Something may be going down in London very soon.
     
    That is the only amount of information I can get, well now since the video has either become private or wiped out from Youtube. The sad thing is this old man who is an atheist spoke up only to get shot down by apostates, we may never know if he is truly hurt by the negative comments he received from the apostates.
    If his second video is still present, I will attempt to salvage it anyway I could.
     
    That being said, the apostates ignore reason and want to do this they see fit. Yes some of them have had issue with a couple of things, but actions like this isn't good. From here on out things could get a bit more intense with them vs. JWs, especially now when this caught on with the Neo apostates and Anti Religious groups in the US.
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    Nana Fofana reacted to TrueTomHarley in ALL aspects of 1914 doctrine are now problematic from a Scriptural point of view   
    It 'plagues' non-JWs even more, as they have made no progress whatsoever in united declaring the kingdom good news.
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    Nana Fofana reacted to bruceq in ALL aspects of 1914 doctrine are now problematic from a Scriptural point of view   
    If Jehovah's Witnesses is the true religion then their teachings are true since Jesus is the head of those teachings, not ANY human. Noble - minded means being humble. We should humbly accept that Jesus is in control of the Chariot. When someone starts to learn the "elementary things" {such as 1914] they ask questions to find out why things are TRUE not to ask them in a critical way - that is a sign of elementary thinking - such a person is not humble and is not attracted to the Truth that sets one free from the haughty world of criticism..
    Why do you call yourself jw "insider". Don't you think many may take that as a rather haughty name that you have something others do not or as you put it in one of your posts " I have special interpretation".{Col. 2:18,19}.  Quote is :"And I could even defend my special interpretation" taken from thread : 
    Matthew 24. Is the INVISIBLE PAROUSIA doctrine based on less likely, special definitions of SIGN, PAROUSIA, CONCLUSION, LIGHTNING, GENERATION, and "GENTILE TIMES"?
     
      On 8/19/2017 at 10:01 AM, JW Insider said:  
    And I could even defend my special interpretation
    And where does your "special interpretation" come from? 
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    Nana Fofana reacted to bruceq in ALL aspects of 1914 doctrine are now problematic from a Scriptural point of view   
    I am so sorry insider that you have been sour and bitter because of the experience of imperfect men. But this is still Jehovah's Organization and Jesus is the head of the Congregation and that is why we must believe EVERYTHING Jesus as head teaches us including the teachings on 1914 and EVERYTHING else. You must have faith that Jesus is head and not you or any man or woman. If Jehovah's Witnesses is the True Religion then Jesus is head and whatever teaching he allows is truth until HE tells us otherwise. People in Christendom pick and choose what to believe from their human clergy. We cannot just pick and choose weather to believe certain doctrines from our head Christ. He requires exclusive loyalty and devotion not a picky person who thinks they know more than our head Jesus. John 6:68
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    Nana Fofana reacted to TrueTomHarley in ALL aspects of 1914 doctrine are now problematic from a Scriptural point of view   
    A local brother with a flair for dramatization used to tell of a first century publisher unknowingly calling on a disgruntled former member. 
    "You call yourselves Christlike!" the latter accused. "I was there at that meeting between Paulus and Barnabas. You see those two kids over there? They do not fight like I saw your two 'leaders' fight!" 
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    Nana Fofana reacted to TrueTomHarley in ALL aspects of 1914 doctrine are now problematic from a Scriptural point of view   
    Do they? Or do they not remind us of journalists who all day, every day, identify problems for others to fix. And when the fix is in, they point out what is wrong with that, too. It's a great job to have.
     
    Possibly. But does it not just as equally provide fuel for those with flame throwers?
    I don't think it has worked that way on this forum. People leave with approximately the same level of empathy they had on arrival. It is a fruit of God's spirit (you can probably tease it out of the list somehow) not dependent or necessarily helped by public airing.
    When they devise a new Bible training school there at headquarters, they put themselves through it first. This indicates to me that they are not devising material to 'control the masses' - (I can hear some making that accusation now) Instead, they recognize that all are to be 'taught by Jehovah,' themselves foremost. It is a recognition of their own shortcomings, as descendants of Adam, and a renewed determination to seek what is higher.
    To whatever extent it is true that the new ones are having a love-in and the old ones fought like cats and dogs, should we attribute it to public discussions? Or to being taught by Jehovah?
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    Nana Fofana reacted to Witness in ALL aspects of 1914 doctrine are now problematic from a Scriptural point of view   
    Wonderful ? I see numbers make a big impression on you.  Apparently truth may not.  
    How many translations does it take to understand what has happened to God’s Temple?  One.
    KJV Ezek 44:8,9 --
    8 “In that ye have brought into my sanctuary strangers, uncircumcised in heart, and uncircumcised in flesh, to be in my sanctuary, to pollute it, even my house, when ye offer my bread, the fat and the blood, and they have broken my covenant because of all your abominations.
    9 “And ye have not kept the charge – “guard, charge, function, obligation, service, watch”
    of mine holy things - apartness, holiness, sacredness, separateness, sanctuary, of God, a sacred place or thing
     but ye have set keepers - to keep, guard, observe, give heed
    of my charge - charge, keep, or to be kept, office, ordinace, guard, charge, function, obligation, service, watch
    in my sanctuary  - sacred place, sanctuary, holy place, of the temple
    for yourselves
     Exactly what is happening in the Watchtower through the elder body.
    Those who are to teach and provide spiritual sacrifices are the anointed ones.  I’ve given you the scriptures.  They are the “circumcision” as well as part of God’s Temple.  Rom 2:29; Col 2:11; 1 Cor 3:16,17  To allow others to act as priests in their place transgresses God's sanctuary.  There's two sides of this abomination.  As God's sanctuary, foreigners are trampling it.  As God's priests, others have taken their place.  
    Now, read the NWT. It pales in comparison, it lacks power and understanding of the abomination existing in God’s Temple. 
     
     
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    Nana Fofana reacted to bruceq in ALL aspects of 1914 doctrine are now problematic from a Scriptural point of view   
    Actually the 6,000 year idea {7,000 yr creative days] was long before Christendom. Even Josephus mentions it as it was an ancient Jewish idea. And since Jews wrote the Bible well...who knows. Find out when it happens.
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    Nana Fofana reacted to bruceq in ALL aspects of 1914 doctrine are now problematic from a Scriptural point of view   
    Sounds familiar. And I agree wholeheartedly with the Phil. 4:8 test. That should be our moto for this entire thread.
    BTW I think perhaps the "day and hour" that is unknown is the "Beginning" of the Great Tribulation rather than the end of it at Armageddon. If you look at our publications about 85% of the times it mentions this Scripture it has reference to the "beginning of the Great Tribulation".  Of course we will not know for sure until the end but it is interesting that whenever Eve was created after 4026 BCE that the angels , Jesus and even Satan knew the exact "day and hour" she was created and would know the beginning of the Millennium right after Armageddon {6,000 years]  but NOT the beginning of the GT. It is like knowing that a movie is 2 hours long but NOT knowing when the "last scene" of the movie "begins". Just a thought to ponder.
    Also I believe that since 1914 was when "peace was taken away from the EARTH" that the Red horse in REV. 6 is talking about 1914 when it mentions the exact same thing. A GLOBAL war.  But maybe that is just me. 
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