Srecko Sostar

Many years ago, it was the eighties, two very zealous brothers were pioneers. They both have families and children. One of them was an elder, and the other often had problems with the appointed persons, so I suppose he sought to compensate this with pioneering service. (90-140 hours a month) What idea did they have? They collected large stocks of all the old WT magazines that remained in the assemblies and with the brothers. Those were hundreds, thousands of pieces. Why? When the ban comes and the literature stops being printed, they will have spiritual food to preach. How ridiculous and tragic that sounds today.

I think the experts say, You should swim as far away from the sinking ship as possible. Otherwise, you will withdraw with ship into the sea. No matter will WTJWorg stop to exist or not, personal prospect of believer is in question.

Fact 1. Watchtower was registered self as NGO from 1999 - 2001. (not only for JW in USA but that can be group registration/exemption for all or for many WT entities around the world) Fact 2. WT never informed JW members about this sort of registration (as NGO) in connection with UN, as need to be "connected" with UN (UN Library) in this way Fact 3. Letter you put available for us said how WT had need to have access to research material available on health, ecological and social problems. Well, i have to ask: WTJWorg explicitly claims in many published publications how JW members are neutral and are not interested (it is FORBIDDEN) to be involved in any ecological or social problems, argumentation, discussion of this world system, and are not here to IMPROVE things or to give their CONTRIBUTION for better ecological or social climate. So, of what need is for WT Writers and Bible scholars to RESEARCH such issues? JW don't want to see themselves as active or passive factor for "world's affairs". Fact 4. WT Writers are "guided by spirit". Do they really need UN Library and "secular propaganda and knowledge" ? :))) Fact 5. Registered as NGO they can ask for additional governmental finance

Who said to David Splane that King David lost his title given by JHVH ??!! After King David heard what his namesake said, the reaction was this. King David ordered his guard: Throw him into prison! :))

Does this means how you acknowledge and accept/admit God's choose/decision to have Shepherds in both shapes, form and content - male and female body? .... So far :)))

Good question. Bible verses are interesting about this. Few fragments from Luke 1: 1) But the angel said to him: ...; your prayer has been heard. Your wife Elizabeth will bear you a son,... 2) ... he will be filled with the Holy Spirit even before he is born. 3) And now you will be silent and not able to speak until the day this happens, ... 4) When Elizabeth heard Mary’s greeting, the baby leaped in her womb, and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit. 5) He asked for a writing tablet, and to everyone’s astonishment he wrote, “His name is John.” Immediately his mouth was opened and his tongue set free, and he began to speak, praising God. 6) Everyone who heard this wondered about it, asking, “What then is this child going to be?” For the Lord’s hand was with him. Other examples in Bible speaking about oil, water, dove, flaming tongues, power to do miracles .... as proves of HS in someone. Do you know that Shepherd Book speaking about Spirit who FLOW in Congregation. If the imperfections of those serving on the body are allowed to cause strained relations, the flow of Jehovah’s spirit can be restricted and the congregation may be adversely affected. - page 16. ....... Neglecting to care for such matters can hinder the flow of Jehovah’s holy spirit to the congregation. - page 79. Flow? To move in a continuous and smooth way. To move in or as if in a stream. HS is compared with Water. "He who believes in Me, as the Scripture said, ‘From his innermost being will flow rivers of living water.’” But this He spoke of the Spirit,...." Well, are WTJWorg and GB and JW's want to be just, only GUIDED by spirit, but were never INSPIRED because The RIVER does not FLOW IN YOU? I will pour out My Spirit on your offspring filled with the Holy Spirit even before he is born ... the baby leaped in her womb, and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit. Do you really need prove for other people anointing? :))

Absolutely inappropriate! It seems GB+Helpers+Elders+Organization is Anti-Type of JHVH as Type. And Great Multitude is Anti-type of Moses as Type. :)) Really crazy illustration. Moses was human, so we can play illustrations with him as we wish, it is not so sensitive. But to compare GB and Elders position and role as same as God's? ... that is in area of blasphemy.

Style, way of living that John the Baptizer practiced as a his (God's) way to serve God, which was visible to the people, was unusual and strange. Did he needed approval? And from whom? ....the ways of the Lord are strange. :)) I recall Jesus teaching: Do you think I came to bring peace on earth? No, I tell you, but division. Lk 12 51 In this context, what we can expect from Jesus' followers, to bring peace or division ... ?

So the similarity is great or even the same. Within the WTJWorg organization, all members' attention is focused on the GB and the elders under the supervision of the WT Administration. YHVH and Christ have become or will become “friends” for rank and file members, but GB + Helpers + Elders are Leaders to be listened to and obeyed. The “Spiritual paradise” in which JW members are housed today is a reflection of God’s Kingdom ruling from heaven over the WTJWorg organization, because Leaders and Members lives according to First Congregation example and Revealed Instructions in/for the Last Days.

As to my knowledge, only in, from 2019 did WT make a change regarding testifying in a sexual offense. ... It is best that the witnesses give their testimony in the presence of the accused, although a victim of rape or of child sexual abuse is never required to do so..... - Shepherd book ch 16, par 2, 2019 edition

Look Cesar. What is "bible truth" ????? That "Generation of 1914" will not pass away ????? I beg you, be balanced :))

In most examples, belonging to a religion is a given. With families whose parents do not have a religious need to belong to a church, children may or may not choose their religious identity at a later age. This ratio is probably higher today than before. Which religion has better "moral standards"? Are the moral standards of those who do not believe in religion or in God of poor quality? Does one have to be religious and belong to a religious structure in order for such a man to be “moral”? The actions of some "big/great" believers show that religiosity is not a guarantee for morality. For example, WT lawyers who speak inaccurate and untrue things in court and in public certainly prove that being a "Christian" or a "Jehovah's Witness" does not mean being moral and honest. Who taught them when they were children/young adult? JW parents or someone in congregation who led them to be baptized through Bible study? Have WT lawyers abandoned their "religious beliefs" or "religious morality"? From given JW preaching, it could be concluded that WTJWorg considers its religious teachings as the foundation for its own religious morality. In fact, JWs claim that they are highly moral because they have “the truth”, that means "true religion" and "true teachings", "true religiosity". And because of that they are the most moral people on Earth. If they are such people, how it is possible that they collectively allow their fellow brothers aka WT lawyers to speak lies, to give false "testimony/witness"??

In my opinion :)).., WTJWorg do make opinions about Scripture. Otherwise, decades of "clarifications" and "new lights" and changed or modified doctrines would never have happened/occurred ..... recurring error/false doctrines.

What were you expecting, another earthly organization? It seems so. :))

Perhaps i have another explanation on this. If You or I or anyone else believes in something that it is, must be "the truth", all other dialogue or arguments or facts means nothing to such person. The truth is only what I believe to be true. :)) Is this possible to interpret how WTJWorg GB have opinions in specific terms and JW members in general terms? And by that personal faith, spirituality and understanding stops on general terms level?

.... many unfounded truths .... This sentence is weird. If something is "Truth" than that is based on proofs and is grounded on facts. Lies are unfounded. In other words, subject don't have sound basis. It is not possible for Truth to be unfounded. Some JW members have unfounded conclusions and prejudices about ARC because they heard Rumors about ARC. You contribute to this rumors. GB member G. Jackson endeavored to do everything possible so that the WT would not be held accountable for its members who had been exposed to violence in the past, or would be in the future. Another fact have to be clear to JW people too, how some of them will be CSA victim inside JW Congregation. ARC Inquiry and Report showed what was wrong with WT Policy. And 2016 WT study article what @Anna mentioned, i guess, said nothing about WTJWorg errors and wrongs and damages which arose due to bad policies and instructions which the elders had to follow. I am sure @Anna don't need me to defend her position on this but she is honest enough and your statement are unacceptable and need to be dismiss.

In "normal circumstances" every religious leader and every politician and every average person will tell you: Be good, obey god, obey law, be honest, speak truth etc, etc. GB members in "normal circumstances" doing exactly this, teaching their flock to be good people. But behind curtain they instruct lawyers to speak things that are not giving real picture about what is going on, that are not the truth but deceiving and manipulative. In matters of doctrines and directives, JW members need to be very cautious about words too. In such context i would take Jesus' words relatively.

WTJWorg is Company registered as Charity. Every single Congregation are registered as Charity under WTJWorg Supervision. In the moment you have been baptized as one of JW you entered into Contract with WTJWorg. Am i right? :))

I understand. But i also understand that GB talking too much, and writing too much. Well, they made thesis, on this subject and many others. JW members took it as "the truth" and integrated it as issue of faith and loyalty to JHVH and Jesus. After adopting the idea, the human assumption, JWs begin to observe events through such a faulty filter and continue to rely on GB to confirm or deny their projections. In this example; Who says when "final attacks" begin? How do They know that? They, GB, believed for decades in "wrong" idea about who is Gog. Even Ronald Reagan and Bible scholars of those time period interpreted matter in a way similar or same to what JW consider as "the truth" now. Well, do JW's can accept the reality of the fact that "God gives truth” to everyone, not just some? G. Jackson publicly confirm, before ARC, how they are not the only spokesperson for God. If this is "the truth" for him, is it for You or every other JW member? Of course, one of possibility is how all of this or parts of this what we talking about is also wrong. All in all, WTJWorg and GB constantly prove that, in a theological sense, they are part of "the sea thrown by the waves". In a corporate sense, WTJWorg is a structure that must feed itself in order to survive. For this purpose, it uses double standards, one for its lawyers who represent it before the world, and the other criteria for members. Let me to illustrate this with what i learned before few years in one Court document, and today with another one which i quote here: From a legal standpoint, all congregations of Jehovah’s Witnesses are separately registered charities with their own independent committee of management. No separate legal entity in Australia exerts authority over the congregations. https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Committees/Joint/National_Redress_Scheme/NationalRedressScheme/Submissions 123 Page size: select 47 items in 3 pages No. Submitter 123 Page size: select 47 items in 3 pages 43 Mark Jones (PDF 1657 KB) Attachment 1 (PDF 512 KB) 45 In Good Faith Foundation (PDF 1713 KB) 46 Prof Kathleen Daly & Juliet Davis (PDF 4562 KB) 47 Christian Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses (Australasia) (PDF 104 KB) Are you and your Congregation independent from Bethel, CO, GB and WT or any other WT Company and their Representatives ?? No! Kingdom interests on the earth have been entrusted to “the faithful and discreet slave,” which is represented by the Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses. (Matthew 24:45-47) The Governing Body is primarily concerned with providing spiritual instruction and direction for the Christian congregation. (Acts 6:1-6) - https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/w20010115/Keep-in-Step-With-Jehovahs-Organization/ Double tongued, or as our friend @César Chávez would say "double mouth".

Do WTJWorg GB consider as an "attack under different names" also; many lawsuits against WT, all sorts of inquiries on WTJWorg policies and procedures from Police in many countries, from ARC in Australia, from The Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse (IICSA) England and Wales etc? Well, all nations are involved. Some of them make pressure on JW, some of them persecute JW, some of them allows bad things to happen to JW, some of them defending JW human rights, some of them play double game etc. All nations are involved somehow.

President Ronald Reagan once said in a famous speech: Ezekiel tells us that Gog, the nation that will lead all of the other powers of darkness against Israel, will come out of the north. Biblical scholars have been saying for generations that Gog must be Russia. What other powerful nation is to the north of Israel? None. But it didn't seem to make sense before the Russian revolution, when Russia was a Christian country. Now it does, now that Russia has become communistic and atheistic, now that Russia has set itself against God. Now it fits the description of Gog perfectly. - Ronald Reagan in 1971, then California governor, in a dinner speech to state legislators; here cited from Lind 1996: 320 - https://www.mohrsiebeck.com/uploads/tx_sgpublisher/produkte/leseproben/9783161475207.pdf From today's aspect Russia is Christian country again. Obviously, Bible Scholars in and out side WTJWorg facing with new dilemmas. :)) For decades WTJWorg GB doctrine/interpretations was how satan, devil is Gog of Magog. Also, before 5 years they changed interpretation/doctrine and said also this: Who, then, is Gog of Magog? To answer that question, we need to search the Scriptures to find out who attacks God’s people. The Bible speaks not only of the attack by ‘Gog of Magog’ but also of the attack by “the king of the north” and of the attack by “the kings of the earth.” (Ezek. 38:2, 10-13; Dan. 11:40, 44, 45; Rev. 17:14; 19:19) Do these represent separate attacks? Not likely. The Bible is no doubt referring to the same attack under different names. Why can we draw that conclusion? Because the Scriptures tell us that all the nations of the earth will be involved in this final attack that prompts the war of Armageddon.—Rev. 16:14, 16. - https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/w20150515/gog-of-magog/ I respect your believe @Anna but as you can see, GB Scholars presented different view.

WT GB theology, supposedly biblically grounded, and most important, under the guidance of the Holy Spirit as GB say, explains why people suffer, why there is great evil in the world, and especially why the followers of Christ are subjected to persecution, especially from 1914 till now . In addition to the general explanation that humans are imperfect because of Adam and Eve sin, there is also the interpretation how satan and demons generate evil and are behind all attacks on JW members. Recently, the focus has been on Russia, and still is. For example, this two quotes say: During the 2019 annual meeting, Brother Mark Sanderson of the Governing Body delivered the talk entitled “What Do We Have to Fear?” The talk included this video segment with experiences from some of our brothers and sisters who have been persecuted in Russia. - https://www.jw.org/ase/news/jw/region/russia/No-Reason-to-Fear-Persecution/ As Russian authorities continue to fabricate lies to discredit our reputation as peace-loving people, we recall the words of Jesus, who foretold that opposers would “lyingly say every sort of wicked thing against” his disciples.—Matthew 5:11. - https://www.jw.org/ase/news/jw/region/russia/witnesses-framed-extremist-weapons-20181019/ What said the teaching? Many people reject God because they blame him for suffering. Directly or indirectly, many religious leaders have taught that God is the cause of our suffering. But is it possible that religious leaders have misrepresented God? What if God has rejected them? God does not cause our suffering. God rejects religion that misrepresents him. This includes religions that teach that God causes our suffering and those that are involved with warfare and violence. - https://www.jw.org/ase/library/magazines/awake-no2-2020-jul-aug/is-god-to-blame-for-our-suffering/ According to the latest explanation of who “Gog of Magog” is, JW members have learned that it is not Satan, but that it is a “coalition of the people”. Russia also belongs to this "coalition". In his TV sermon, D. Splane, as a “guardian of doctrine,” reads a passage from Ez. 38: 4 with explanation how JHVH talk words to this "coalition of nation". It says: "I will turn you around, put hooks in your jaws and bring you out with your whole army—your horses, your horsemen fully armed, and a great horde with large and small shields, all of them brandishing their swords." D. Splane explained the idea how "coalition of nation" didn't want to attack His nation, but JHVH redirected direction of "coalition". He said: "Timing of the attack is Jehovah's .. as some point following the destruction of Babylon The Great, Jehovah may in some way lure the nations into carrying out what is already in their hearts. Jehovah will thus set the stage for the attach that leads to Armageddon ......." Ez 38:10 state: You will advance against my people Israel like a cloud that covers the land. In days to come, Gog, I will bring you against my land, so that the nations may know me when I am proved holy through you before their eyes. How else do WT publications answer the question of why people (JW members) suffer? Humans bear a heavy responsibility for suffering. Some suffering is brought on by our own choices. Suffering is not punishment from God. On the contrary, much of it is random—often, a matter of someone being in the wrong place at the wrong time. Our sinful nature contributes to suffering. - https://www.jw.org/ase/library/magazines/awake-no2-2020-jul-aug/blame-for-own-suffering/ JW suffer in Russia not need to have nothing with GB claims, how they are the only true religion and because they follow Jesus, as reasons for Russian Government ban on WTJWorg. Because, supposedly, Russia as all other governments that are part of "coalition of nations" want to harm WTJWorg because they are True Religion Organization. Is the ban of WTJWorg in 34 countries around the world an attack by a “coalition of nations”? Was it, Is it "timing is Jehovah's"? Who cause suffer for JW in Russia ? Russia or because JHVH brought them against "his land"? Is this Russian attack on " JW True Religion" contrary to GB idea how "UN will attack false religion first and at the end they will attack the "true religion"? Because in reality, all sorts of religion ("true and/or false") have experienced attack through the centuries. Does the attack of the "coalition" at this time, not recognize the difference between "true and false religion", and mistakenly persecute WTJWorg? What is wrong with their "attack timing"? Didn't they read the WT study magazines, because according to it, they must first start destroying all "false religions" and not create problems for "true religion"?

As far as i can understand English this is two different things :))