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Additionally, the baptizing agent must be a dedicated servant of Jehovah, even as was John. In these days of the established heavenly kingdom, who else is publishing the good news of God’s kingdom? Upon whom is Jehovah’s name, and into whose hands have his Kingdom interests been placed? Jehovah’s witnesses are the only ones, and hence it would only be proper that the baptizer be one of Jehovah’s dedicated male representatives of the New World society.—Isa. 43:10; Matt. 24:14, 45-47. - https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1963402 From this is evident how candidate, who study Bible aka some WTJWorg publication, is preparing for entering into membership of WTJWorg and not necessary to become baptized disciples of Jesus Christ.

About patient. GB gave instructions in previous periods of their history how to conduct Bible Study with interested person. They limited BS for 6 months. If person not make progress to be baptized in such time period, JW needed to think about whether he should continue BS at all. This is very important what you have said. Excellent!

Exactly same as with word trinity. Because trinity as word not exists in Bible, logic tell us that trinity is not Bible Teaching. Because words governing body not exists in Bible text, logic tell us that this is not Bible Teaching. :))

And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. The consensus among scientists, astronomers and cosmologists is that the Universe as we know it was created in a massive explosion. Explosion = Light So the Lord God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep; and while he was sleeping, he took one of the man’s ribs. Deep sleep = anesthesia .................Took one of the man’s ribs = surgery Then the Lord God made a woman from the rib Made a woman from the rib = type of cloning

I know that you are sure how i already know this :)) and i am sure how you saw that i try to show better perspective on matter to your sister Shirley in polite way. Perhaps your way of understanding on, how Shirley have personal experience with few GB members and how such contact with them caused/brought special feelings for few of GB members and in the end for all 8, is fine. I don't know did you noticed how publications using word "slave" only in FDS/GB context, and word "servants" about all other JW members. Perhaps GB have to apply Bible terminology if they want be closer to original text and spirit of words. "FDS" would be better name for image/outside look of 8 men. Title GB gave idea only about GOVERNING, what is in fact real function of GB in WTJWorg Administration. When you use Faithful and Discrete Slave, that sound softly, tender and cause more sympathy in the listener. Slave! Do you hear that word? Man feels sorry for the one who is a slave. If JW members want to apply Mat 24 on GB, than you also need to accept fact how illustration in Matthew speaking about slave's responsibility or to be in charge only for one function: to to give, to share food that is already ready and prepared. Jesus is Bread and Water, Jesus is Food. His Teachings and Role Model are that Food. Well, job for "slave" is only to share what Jesus thought people, in words and in deeds. Nothing about governing over "servants". Jesus is King and Governor. Of course, GB members have good life, and are not slaves at all. They are not slaves in any aspect of the meaning of that word. They are not slaves even in the context of Matthew 24. I am sure you already know what i think of this issue

I respect your choice of words and feelings. What is little quirky is that individual (you in this example) using their Title, Function and Position they as individuals have in Company aka WTJWorg. I would understand and accept that you consider them as nice or dear or loving. Because your inner person have such feelings and perception. What make visible difference is way and purpose when you address them in, i would say informal context, on Forum like this. I think that would be impossible (for now) to hear GB members how start their public talk or Letter with: "Our beloved Members". :)) It is more "natural" to say Our beloved Brothers....in mutual communication. To speak of them as "Our beloved Governing Body" is a clear acceptance of stratification and classification, to those who are clergy and to those who are layman. Why is it not good that you express yourself like that? But you are not to be called ‘Rabbi,’ for you have one Teacher, and you are all brothers. - Mat 23

This is unique expression i never heard before. I heard very rare, perhaps twice, that JW member calls organization Mother Organization. Very strange. In Korea they would say, "our beloved Leader" :))

Example of Circular Reasoning. Gerrit Losch: But Jehovah and Jesus trust the imperfect slave (GB)... Shouldn't we than trust the imperfect slave as well? - https://www.jw.org/en/library/videos/#en/mediaitems/StudioTalks/pub-jwb_201803_2_VIDEO

3) At that time, the life-saving direction that we receive from Jehovah’s organization may not appear practical from a human standpoint. All of us must be ready to obey any instructions we may receive, whether these appear sound from a strategic or human standpoint or not. (4) - https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/pl/r1/lp-e?q=w13 11%2F15 20 You must obey the law, because it’s illegal to break the law. - John Doe Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. - Rom 13 “We must obey God rather than men. - Act 5 Please tell me, which of this claims are Circular Reasoning? 1) GB teach Russian JW that they must obey secular authorities. 2) After that they said to them that they must obey God rather than men. 3) And, on top of that, they tell them that they have to be ready to obey the (special) instructions that will come from GB. What Russian JW's doing to obey secular governments laws? What they are doing that causes their arresting and in imprisonment? They are in very original situation, because all assemblies are outside the law. Well, is it individual conscience and understanding allowed how to harmonize two sort of obedience? And the third sort - obedient to GB, which is in fact under "men", human factor? If JW's decide to be disobedient to Rom 13 rule, than have to be prepared on consequences. Same is with Act 5. But when JW's choose to obey GB instructions, question arise: Whom they (JW) respect and obey? It would not surprise me to hear how GB gave instruction to Russian elders and JW's, to have secret meetings, to have forbidden literature and so on. To be in prison not looks very "practical and sound". But it seems how GB giving exactly such directives to them. (there is a possibility that some JWs have resented other people, privately or because of preaching zealousness, so they are now denouncing them)

To make little digress. "Wait on JHVH" is the best advice given in publication. But this recommendation is functional only for "final thing", for example Armageddon. In all other "earthly" issues we have permission to act as we think is the best. That would include to react in a second, or next day. That would mean to make plan/plans for shorter or longer period in future, and we can consider such patient attitude as sort of "wait on". Your brothers in Russia, let’s take that example, are also waiting. On what and on whom? JW's sent millions of letters, and millions of prayers. WTJWorg lawyers sued Russian government. Russia did not respond on your letters and JHVH did not respond on your prayers. World Courts in EU or worldwide done what they are done. What instructions (that are not practical from human standpoint) GB gave and giving to Russian JW's? Do you know? If yes, inform us please.

Consciousness of guilt is the inference that the defendant knows that he is guilty of a crime because he has taken one or more of the following actions after it. These actions include: 1-Fleeing from the crime scene or jurisdiction, 2-False alibies, 3-Changing or altering personal appearance, 4-Hiding or destroying evidence, 5-Bribing a witness, 6-Intimidating a witness or even killing a witness. 1-GB flees the crime scene by announcing a “new light”. They have no problem with "jurisdiction", because GB is only one that is entitled to make decisions about everything. 2-An alibi is that they invoke imperfection and that a mistake can happen to them. That the apostles also made mistakes. 3-They present themselves as FDS anointed by Jesus and JHVH. Evil people outside spiritual paradise want to harm GB and organization so they produce lies and subverting false evidence. Ex-JW are wolves and GB+Helpers+Elders are humble Shepherds. 4-Hiding and destroying evidence is done in such a way that members are given the idea that they must keep up with "God's chariot." That one should not look back. Real hiding and destroying evidence is done by WT lawyers under GB command. 5-Witness bribery is done by telling them (members) that we all have to wait for YHVH to resolve irregularities in the organization. 6-GB called their opponents as those who lie, reverse statements, twist statements and quotes, misrepresent facts, don't understand, not qualified to interpret Bible, are spiritually weak to accept changes. If this not work, GB "courses" them with dfd and shunning with heavy emotional and psychological blackmail, with condemnation how they are apostates and enemies of God. They gave them names such "despicable" and similar, who deserves to be destroyed, "near soon". Please be free to add or change if needed :))

Nothing about nostalgia. :)) The fact is that I accidentally came across this information that talks about exactly one purchase in which the seller and the buyer are know by name. JW members have only one-sided general information, and that is that GB ordered the sale of the property. The JW website has never and will never publish that “true religion” has sold its “home of worship” to some other “false religion”. To recall your memory i will mention how GB teaching newly interested person on Bible study. If they got some jewelry representing religious symbols, he is instructed to destroy such an object and not sell it. Because that would mean promoting paganism and apostasy. Here, GB purposely, deliberately sold so called "clean item aka Branch Office or KH" which will be inhabited by a “false religion” that promotes hostility to YHVH. WHAT ABSURDITY, WHAT HYPOCRISY! Old or new information, it doesn't matter. The Real Truth is never old. GB error doctrines are "old light and new light" aka "truths". The Real Truth is never old, and will never become old. That must be scary, it causes fear, for JW apologists who decide to stay blind for "light".

Role model for JW's. To be Thinker and Educated. Beautiful! Egyptian wisdom and God's spirit together.

Not so related. Spirit is in person (or in animal). Power is in the battery of your car. :))

I remember the first big wave of closures of many Bethel around the world a few years ago. That was just before my complete departure from JWorg in 2015. Today I stumbled upon another in a series of sales of so-called “god-dedicated” JW buildings. http://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/local-news/9124458/Witnesses-sell-Elim-buys Elim Christian Centre is a contemporary, relevant and multicultural church established over 30 years ago. We exist to be a centre of hope, to reach, serve and influence our local communities and beyond. At Elim people come to know God, find freedom, discover their unique purpose and be equipped to make a difference in our world.

Igniting the idea that some individual or GB was appointed by Jesus from heaven in 1919 is collective work of religious leaders and members. We have a small group of people who have begun to believe about their own “messianism” and special status, both before God and before people. They are followed by followers who seeking leadership. From that pool of people will later come heirs who will think and say that they are now those “chosen ones”. And the circle is closed. There is no way out, except for the complete rejection of such an organized system and escape to a kind of individualism. Some, very few of them, ex-JW sometimes return to the mother organization, and others find other paths to God or to some other Reason and Purpose. And some just exist. The damage has been done, and mostly cannot be repaired. The people who came out have scars. Here, me for example. I argue/disputing with those who advocate WTJWorg on this Forum, instead of finding a "smarter job". :))))) PTSD for sure :)))

Yes, it is the same about my 1941 topic. Perhaps, quotations from WT publications are too much to be able to digest :))

I know this phrase too. It is known in JW circle and publications. :))) than to translate words in Isaiah with "dynamic energy" is out of mind.

I wonder what class of people using expression "dynamic energy" in average conversation? Bible, generally, is considered to be book for all people, especially for people who are "poor in spirit". In that respect we would expect to read simple and clear "divine" words that all sort of people could understand and to be motivated to appreciate spiritual and moral values and truth. After that, other sort of publication, as sort of neutral appendix, can teach readers to expand their vocabulary and other sort of knowledge. As you noticed, what was reason, motive to use this specific, unusual word for Bible expressions, text/wording, in this verse in Isaiah? To sound more scientifically? To send special insight about Universe phenomena and higher mathematics, physics that ruling in galaxies? And to explain what is He like, who is God in "energy" sense?

projected - adjective estimated or forecast on the basis of current trends or data Good. In general logic, God holding everything in his hand ... in order to exist in various forms and purpose. So, GB mantra how they are "guided by spirit" is in reality nothing more than fact that they receive "projected energy" .... as any other creature (animate and inanimate nature) on Earth and in Universe. :)) With "naked eye" we see how WTJWorg GB using own "projected energy" and suspending doctrine on doctrine upon members that generally know nothing what is going on. Moses was an Egyptian for a third of his life and it can be he knew more than slaves and average Egyptian. If he adopted, as Jew and as Egyptian, vocabulary and terminology of people in his period of time, can somebody provide insight what was "scientific knowledge" and terminology about Universe and Energy in Egypt in time when Moses lived? That will help us is it using WT NWT Bible word on this subject possibility or probability. Also, what word "dynamic" means?? Definition of dynamic Entry 1 : marked by usually continuous and productive activity or change Entry 2 : a force or factor that controls or influences a process of growth, change, interaction, or activity : a dynamic force or factor Synonyms: Adjective energetic, flush, gingery, lusty, peppy, red-blooded, robust, vigorous, vital - https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/dynamic -------------------------------------- 1. characterized by constant change, activity, or progress 2. Relating to forces producing motion. 3. expressing an action, activity, event, or process. 4. positive in attitude and full of energy and new ideas. 5. A force that stimulates change or progress within a system or process. - https://www.lexico.com/en/definition/dynamic It seems how we speak here about "energetic energy", "energetic force", "constant change"....

Croatian edition, of NW 2020 revised, say: Because of its great power * and amazing power + none are missing. *Or: "Because of the abundance of energy that drives everything." (Because of his great strength * and his mighty power, none is lacking. - 1984 edition) It is interesting how Croatian translation team did not put same phrase as English team. The difference is also present in the translation of other publications. Since I am no longer a reader of WT publications today, my observation relates to previous publications.

I watched that this morning. Very good presentation about "hours" and statistic on preaching service, categorization. In my "last days of last days" period of my living JWorg i internationally put 30 minutes on report paper. Elder called me and say that i have to write new report because this i gave is not acceptable. Something like, give report next month on which i can put 30 minutes from this report. I reminded him how it is acceptable to put 15 minutes on report if you don't have more hours/time. Than he said that i have not permission from Elders for doing so. Or course, that was my last report :))

All people have their regrets. All this things she numbered, if she want, can start working now. If she really want. "Houston, we have a problem". .... I don't see what is a problem. :))

I agree, in fact. If one believes in something, then we may wonder; Why should I convince him that he is wrong ?! Why JW preach the Bible to those people who believe in the Bible, but in a different way? Why ex-JW sends messages to JW that they are wrong when are submissive to GB in everything, when both, they and GB believe they are right in what they are doing ?! And answer on all these "why" is: God allows all that to happen... because he does not have dilemma. :))