Srecko Sostar

This is funny. And this is more funny. I recently heard a good observation about this issue, on video. Namely, every thought uttered, that calls into question the established official doctrine of the WTS, every uttered question that opens a dilemma about the doctrine or the dilemma about the accuracy of a particular JW statement and written article, JW members consider it a danger to their faith, temptation or spirituality test, and even as prophesied persecution and devil's attack. So, any questioning, critical thinking and challenge of existing (or former) religious teaching will cause deep unrest among most JW members. In both cases, when something like this comes from outside, from other people, and also when it occurs in the person himself. It is quite demanding to follow such topics that are open on the Forum, at least as far as I am concerned :). About 607 BCE, chronology, history, astronomy and much more. There is a lot of text to read, and it requires a lot of prior knowledge and knowledge of many things. During my process of leaving JW, I checked the statements of others who had become ex-JW before me. Regarding quoting other people’s quotations from books or articles that were supposed to support the WTS position and strengthen the faith of the members - as/for secular archaeology, literature, and scholars ostensibly support them. In two, three of those examples i recognized, saw that what you, i think, called in other places, intellectual dishonesty. So this, if you (I or anybody else) remain confident that the authors of the article in the WTS have read everything well and concluded correctly about the text and the topic then everything is fine. But that “faith in God, in people, in the Organization” can put to the test, for whatever reason that can be the trigger. But, above all and everything, there must always be what is called “truth and honesty,” no matter how much something else originally initiated the processes of “awakening”.

A modern parallel of current events with a humorous break from Mansikka's book. Impeachment! Evil-Merodach betrayed the state and the people. In order to circumvent the decision of the Babylonian Senate, which forbade him to run for king again, E-V changed his name, thus circumventing the administrative ban and defeating the opponent in the elections. :)))

Yes, it is possible that he came up with the idea. In the first version, he added 20 years to Nabonidus. In this second version, he came up with a new solution. Extend the reign of E-M by changing its name to "Neb V". But, by changing own name, has the E-V alias "Neb V" also changed his tolerant attitude towards other religions? To be popular, king don't need to change own name, but to change own behavior. In this case, to start persecuting Jews and everyone else who is not at the will of the "populists" who advocate authoritarian populism.

Just a few words of review on these two statements he gave. “Neb V” is unknown to world history, but it was also apparently unknown to biblical writers who were “inspired” by God to record significant events. Let’s put it this way; if “Neb V” is not recorded in the Bible, then it is completely irrelevant to “biblical chronology,” to 607 BCE and to 1914 CE. The second thing concerns the religious feelings aka diversity of "Neb V". How does Mansikka know what religious feelings the unknown king had? On the basis of what "records" did he come up with such an idea, when there is no record of "Neb V", according to Mansikka. Apparently he said: Is there then evidence that Amel-Marduk could have had a different religious background? Yes it is. Here he speaking about king A-M (mentioned in Bible and secular history as real person) and attributes to him such a quality, which he passes on to his own fictional king. There is much more in his writings that looks as dilettantism: The author began researching the history of eclipses recorded in history and their timing in the course of history in the winter of 2017. Already at the beginning of this study, in January 2017, it was clear that in June 763 BC..... What is significance of "winter 2017" and "January 2017"? When winter started? In winter 2017 or in January 2017?

Thus, people who read his works might come to the conclusion that the author is superficial in his research and inference. I don't know how much time passed between his first and second conclusion. It’s nice when a man admits his mistake, but has he explained somewhere why he changed his original opinion and rejected his original conclusion? Mansikka does not have only one problem, how to squeeze the non-existent 20 years into a certain period between Nba II and Cyrus. With his maneuvers, he should arrange all other historical figures not only in Babylon but also all around Babylon. Does he care about that?

... Popeye..... and there would be no difference. Both are imaginary characters. :))

Yes, i understand this. Same with BCE and CE. People of later time made system how to distinguish, recognize the order of occurrence in the timeline. Marking with a number, name or nickname that was added much later to a person from the distant past, has the purpose of being recognized by today's people. Precisely because of that moment when someone appears in some role (for a ruler) a lower number should show that the holder of number "I" was in power before number "II", especially if both bore the same name or were from the same line of kings. The years of the beginning and end of the reign of an individual king would follow, or confirm the order of numbers "I" and "II", or further numbers if any. But that's just my understanding of this :))

Absolutely! JW's makes every effort to separate themselves from "world". As product of that work they formed "Spiritual Paradise" and inner spiritual connections. In such atmosphere and condition today, and as in the past, Bible verses in 2 Tim have nothing with "worldly people", because even Paul addressed his Letter to Brothers and Sisters, Congregation/s as warning and advice how to maintain in faith.

By my stupid logic :))) also it would be normal that the numerical names of kings go in order from I to II to III to IV and then end with V. But Mansikka put V between II and IV. Something is weird here!

With this pace and with each new research and update date, Mansikka will get all the green settlements after .... 21 corrections. :)

Mr Mansikka puts Amel Marduk in 581-579 BCE, that is quite different than in this source. But ending of rule is same for Amel Marduk (in britishmuseum.org) and Mansikka's Nebuchadnezzar V. Also on page 25 Mansikka wrote: Is there then evidence that Amel-Marduk could have had a different religious background? Yes it is. The Bible tells, that During of the accession year of his us that he released King Jehoiachin of Judah immediately. Compassion for the Jewish prisoners point did not end there. He exalted Jehoiachin, king of Judah, so that he might eat at the king's palace at the same table as the king for the rest of his life.14 and then continue immediately in next passage with: Thus, Nebuchadnezzar V may have shown positive attention to the Jews in many other ways. By this i would conclude how very similar or same attitude this "two kings" had about people of different religious background. According to Mansikka, on page 20 he wrote: Thus, on this basis, it can be concluded that probably Nabonidus was not a king who changed his name and ruled for another “extra” 18 years. Instead, that king was Amel-Marduk. Does he tell how Amel-Marduk continue to rule as Nebuchadnezzar V? https://www.britishmuseum.org/collection/term/BIOG61870 Also known as Amel-Marduk primary name: Amel-Marduk Biblical: Evil-Merodach Details individual; ruler; Mesopotamian; Male Other dates 561BC-560BC (ruled) Biography Third king of the Neo-Babylonian Dynasty; 561-560 BC. Mentioned in the Old Testament under the name Evil-Merodach.

Do you have information to what religions these scientists belongs? Or they are just independent believers?

I have no time nor ability to face all this important and interesting questions about chronology. Apologize for my passive "participation" (viewing) :). If i may ask, how Mansikka justified or explained this "adding of 20 years"? And how he came to this particular time point where is needed to add this 20 years?

Didn't Arauna comment that the Supercontinent (Pangea) disintegrated in the Flood? And how new configuration of land with highest mountains are built?

They could hire a security guard whose conscience allows the use of weapons. WT Lawyers and Legal Department for sure can justifies that.

According to the Bible, extraterrestrial life not only exists but exists in abundance....... The Bible indicates that it is very unlikely that God at this point has created intelligent physical creatures on any planets other than our own..... https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/101990244 Here we have opinions, .... "guided by spirit" of course. :))

In some countries, building regulations may require that a shelter be built inside a new building.

The catastrophic destruction of men and animals by an overwhelming flood in the days of Noah, 2370 B.C.E. -https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200001150 According to WTJWorg and your explanation, Noah and his family and many other people of his time lived together with dinosaurs, tyrannosaurus and many other prehistorical animals?? That would mean how God decide to destroy some sort of animals and to save other species. But how that is in harmony that all animals God created was good? So, dinosaurs didn't make God fell happy anymore, but he stayed good with crocodiles? :)) Fossils and deposits of dead animals speaks about past time, but dinosaurs and similar species are much much older then 4390 years.

Yes, with ages our sight getting weak.

Thanks. It can be that such words, narrative in Bible about Flood not necessary have literal meaning of Whole Planet Earth, as in case of Joseph and Famine where word "earth" definitely is not about Whole Planet Earth.

If humans are incorrigible, what do animals have to do with it? The destruction of "evil animals" that were herbivores ... and some of them became carnivores after they came out of the Ark? :)) I am of opinion how that was local flood that affected all people and animals of that particular earth where Noah lived. ... earth was corrupt in God’s sight - Gen 6. Here we see expression tat is not literal. Earth can not be corrupt but people are what God have in mind. In Joseph's days and famine Bible text say: . Moreover, people of all the earth came to Egypt to buy from Joseph, because the famine had a strong grip on all the earth- Gen 41 Do you really think how people from China, India, North America, Africa, Australia etc. came to Egypt to buy grain?

Looking? Perhaps depends on your glasses :))

The only way is ... faith. If you have faith than all sorts of explanations that WTJWorg thinks they have to put in print or on JWTV it all becomes unnecessary. Saving money and energy invested in all such material things (Gilead schools, congresses, seminars, etc.) would be significant. Because why waste time proving something for which “faith” is quite enough. :))

Are koalas clean or unclean animals? But more important questions are: How did seven pairs of koalas (or two pairs) travel from Mount Ararat to Australia? And what did they eat along the way? It is very picky in food and eats only the leaves of certain species of eucalyptus. For Koala this is actually the only food and survives, as well as two species of opossum , exclusively feeding on this plant. Koalas consume up to 400 grams (14 oz) of leaves a day. "Polar bear", who was not polar bear in pre-Flood time ..., Why and how did the "polar" bear leave Ararat to live at the North Pole, when they had never seen snow and ice? When did he change the color of his fur? Did fecal gases harm human and animal health in period of 1 year captivity of Ark? Where did Noah throw the animal and human feces in that 1 year period? ..... and so on and so on?

Pangea, also spelled Pangaea, in early geologic time, a supercontinent that incorporated almost all the landmasses on Earth......Geologic time, the extensive interval of time occupied by the geologic history of Earth. Formal geologic time begins at the start of the Archean Eon (4.0 billion to 2.5 billion years ago) and continues to the present day. Modern geologic time scales additionally often include the Hadean Eon, which is an informal interval that extends from about 4.6 billion years ago (corresponding to Earth’s initial formation) to 4.0 billion years ago. - https://www.britannica.com/place/Pangea https://www.britannica.com/science/geologic-time This explains why ocean floor rocks are generally less than 200 million years old whereas the oldest continental rocks are more than 4 billion years old. - https://www.britannica.com/science/plate-tectonics/Seafloor-spreading According to Britannica, and to my understanding of these information, Creation Days according to WTJWorg lasted very short compared to the millions of years described by Britannica. General attitude about length of 1 Creative Day is about 7000 years in WTJWorg publications. By that JW members are misinformed by WTJWorg about history of Earth and Life on Earth. Pangea was surrounded by a global ocean called Panthalassa, and it was fully assembled by the Early Permian Epoch (some 299 million to 273 million years ago). And God said, “Let the water under the sky be gathered to one place, and let dry ground appear.” And it was so. God called the dry ground “land,” and the gathered waters he called “seas.” And God saw that it was good. In this Bible verses i see similarity about "Pangea", you speaking about, and "dry ground". Also about "gathered waters". Bible said how in Day 3 that happened. So, we again have problem with WTJWorg view about what was/is length of Creative Day. JW's publications never connected each Creative Day with millions of years. In light of what was said your statement or opinion or belief how: The flood was a destructive event with tsunamis, earthquakes, volcanos erupting and major movement of Teutonic plates is not supported with this Britannica quotes. Of course, Britannica don't bring exact, fixed numbers of years. But difference in view of length time with WTJWorg is drastic. Bible don't speaking nothing about elements you put in focus (tsunamis, earthquakes, volcanos erupting and major movement of Teutonic plates). Bible speaking only about water! Also, Bible said that God said this: I am going to bring floodwaters on the earth to destroy all life under the heavens, every creature that has the breath of life in it. Everything on earth will perish....The waters rose and covered the mountains to a depth of more than fifteen cubits. Nothing about anything else, but only about water as tool for destroying all life and to cover mountains.