Srecko Sostar

also: the relationships within a group or organization that allow particular people to have power over others: I don't like to get involved in office politics. - https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/politics    

also: the relationships within a group or organization that allow particular people to have power over others: I don't like to get involved in office politics. - https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/politics    

also: the relationships within a group or organization that allow particular people to have power over others: I don't like to get involved in office politics. - https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/politics    

Press statement concerning sexual abuse report
januari 23, 2020adminNieuwsberichten We are relieved that the judge has decided to allow the investigative report to be published. We hope that this report will give a sense of recognition to victims of sexual abuse within the community of Jehovah’s Witnesses.
We would like to take the time to read the report thoroughly and hope that we can discuss the conclusions and recommendations with those involved, including the board of Jehovah’s Witnesses in the Netherlands. The report offers opportunities for Jehovah’s Witnesses to improve their approach to sexual abuse within the congregation. Our hope is that individual members of Jehovah’s Witnesses would also take note of the content of this report.
Our concern remains that Jehovah’s Witnesses still do not recognise the seriousness of the problem. The summary proceedings instituted to prevent publication of the report underline our concern.
Every child deserves to grow up in a safe environment where it feels seen and safe, even within a religious community.
Board of Directors Reclaimed Voices Foundation

Quote @TrueTomHarley  " PS: the good guys have all migrated for now to Anna’s new thread on the closed site. You’re welcome to join them. Leave 4Jah, Srecko, and Witness here to talk among themselves. They’ll soon discover that they can’t stand one another. "
Yes, @Srecko Sostar it seems that Tom has a slight sickness. Tom seems to have a need to be sarcastic and try to cause trouble.  Tom has a need to incite hatred in people and he seems to need to put us down. 
In honesty @Srecko Sostar you are a person I would like to meet face to face and to have deep discussion with, because your comments seem sincere and sensible and you can reason well on things. 
There are not many on here I would like to meet with. 
It would also seem that they have a fear of us, as they need to hide in their 'closed site'. 
If Tom believes that serving the GB makes them 'good guys' well so be it. Only time will tell. 
To my own surprise I sort of did a bit of witnessing on Facebook today. Not on behalf of JW Org of course, but on behalf of God. I will put it on a new topic now.  
Srecko I wish you well and your family also. 
@Witness I wish you well also. I tend to agree with much that you say, but a lot of your comments are too deep for me to fully understand. 
 
 
 

If that happened, and in life everything is possible.... that would not be real or good reason for your happiness :)) Because, other people fall or quarrel or "love that grow cold" are not something that will bring to you or anyone else any true satisfaction and peace.  
PS
About "love that grow cold". Shunning policy inside WT Society is very clear example of this words. And with such policy JW's giving own contribution to this "prophecy". We all who here making conversation that oppose each other opinions and standpoints and beliefs, somehow proves how we showing each other something that goes contrary to this Jesus's words. We are not "in love", but, by NOT IGNORING each other comments we giving proof for something else. What it is, That Something, i will leave to individual perceptions.
Stay well!  

If that happened, and in life everything is possible.... that would not be real or good reason for your happiness :)) Because, other people fall or quarrel or "love that grow cold" are not something that will bring to you or anyone else any true satisfaction and peace.  
PS
About "love that grow cold". Shunning policy inside WT Society is very clear example of this words. And with such policy JW's giving own contribution to this "prophecy". We all who here making conversation that oppose each other opinions and standpoints and beliefs, somehow proves how we showing each other something that goes contrary to this Jesus's words. We are not "in love", but, by NOT IGNORING each other comments we giving proof for something else. What it is, That Something, i will leave to individual perceptions.
Stay well!  

If that happened, and in life everything is possible.... that would not be real or good reason for your happiness :)) Because, other people fall or quarrel or "love that grow cold" are not something that will bring to you or anyone else any true satisfaction and peace.  
PS
About "love that grow cold". Shunning policy inside WT Society is very clear example of this words. And with such policy JW's giving own contribution to this "prophecy". We all who here making conversation that oppose each other opinions and standpoints and beliefs, somehow proves how we showing each other something that goes contrary to this Jesus's words. We are not "in love", but, by NOT IGNORING each other comments we giving proof for something else. What it is, That Something, i will leave to individual perceptions.
Stay well!  

Using their reasoning, it makes you wonder who really were/are, the authentic "Jehovah's Witnesses" of the WT.  During the next meeting, all eight million will be assured they are the authentic ones, "Jehovah's chosen people." 
To add to their twisted ideas, they do believe this is the time of Harvest - the separating of the sheep and the goats.  This must also mean the separating of the "professed" JWs from the authentic JWs.   The "thousand year" reign of Christ is said to begin after the harvest period is finished; once Armageddon, "The Great Day of God the Almighty, is done. Rev 16:14   However, that time period of a literal thousand years to follow, is called a "judgment day", albeit a pleasant one, by the WT. Once this time period ends, there will be a second phase of weeding out the "professed" JWs, leaving only authentic JWs one more time,  to enjoy eternal life.  It is another "Great Day of God the Almighty".   
  We also know that Judgment Day will be a thousand years long and is fast approaching. (Rev. 20:4, 6) We do not fear Judgment Day, for we understand that it will bring untold blessings to those judged faithful. The fulfillment of our hope for a glorious future is guaranteed by the greatest of miracles—the resurrection of Jesus Christ!    w12 9/1 p. 17
Their teachings are an unending circle of confusion.  Redemption is now for eternity, if we choose it.  
 For he says: At an acceptable time I listened to you, and in the day of salvation I helped you. See, now is the acceptable time; now is the day of salvation!  2 Cor 6:2
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

I suppose it sounds strange or not, depending on the custom of a particular language and culture.
No one know how Jehovah's name is pronounced, but to me, "Yahweh", which might be more accurate, sounds very strange.
...like Kermit The Frog eating dragonfly ice cream ... it all depends on what you are used to.

WT Society publications going to explain with this terminology (professing JW member), how sinning is not just part of imperfect human character that all people inherited by Adam and Eve. As imperfect people we all are sinning, in every direction, in every sort of transgression, in various degrees.
Here they suggest how some individuals became part of JW's with bad motives. In regard to child abuse cases, sentence in article suggesting this sort of view:  Why? “Wicked men and impostors” abound, and some may try to enter the congregation. (2 Tim. 3:13)
Then, they continue with this sort of people inside congregation who doing same sin/crime:
In addition, some professing to be a part of the congregation have succumbed to perverted fleshly desires and have sexually abused children. This sort of people are people who can't help themselves. This evil inside them is too strong.
Next, in other article, they showed us third group of people inside congregation. After the Hebrew Scriptures were written, superstitious Jews considered the name Jehovah too holy even to be pronounced. They avoided pronouncing it because of fear of violating the Third Commandment.  What sort of people inside modern JW congregation could be superstitious and have fear? Not about speaking God's name, but about some other things, and with that to give their contribute in wrong things.
Fourth group described in article is: First the common people, who felt themselves unworthy to mention the name, left off pronouncing it. Again, how many congregants inside JWorg, consider themselves unworthy, and because of that sort of feeling, can do or can't do things, because of which they just professing own belonging to organization, but because of serious state of soul can be easily deceived or choose wrong path and bring to own fall.
As you can understand, we can use this details from these two articles in using them for various questions about doctrines, folkloric, traditions, instructions that are part of JW religion. And because all this what making JW member to be JW member, that is to go in line with directive from WT Society, we need to ask:
If old doctrines and instructions are substituted with new ones, does it means how JW members are, in every period of time and in all things that was error and wrong, just "professing to be part of true Congregation"? Because they accepted error teachings and they spread error teachings and they lived by error teachings. Intentionally or not. 
All that would make them to be "false, professed" Christians (or JW's) and not "true or genuine" ones. 
 
 
 
I know one JW family from my ex congregation. Children are now grown and not going to meetings for very long time now. I think they never been baptized too. They call theirs mom and dad with names. Very strange custom, very strange to hear :))) 

I have never read Dawkin's books.  I read the Bible.  If it is a "compulsive" behavior to read God's Word, I consider it a blessing from God. 
It is your choice to shun your brother, by following the dictates of men who have a fine reputation of leading people away from the true God and Jesus Christ, through the promotion of false teachings.  People leave for selfish reasons, others leave wanting  to search out authentic truth. 
 The organization is not God.  No organization can claim to possess God, yet the  WT certainly does, a "treacherous" act of bold assumption. That thought originates from a depraved mind. 
 But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days. 2 People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, 3 without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, 4 treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God— 5 having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with such people.
6 They are the kind who worm their way into homes and gain control over gullible women, who are loaded down with sins and are swayed by all kinds of evil desires, 7 always learning but never able to come to a knowledge of the truth. 8 Just as Jannes and Jambres opposed Moses, so also these teachers oppose the truth. They are men of depraved minds, who, as far as the faith is concerned, are rejected. 9 But they will not get very far because, as in the case of those men, their folly will be clear to everyone. 2 Tim 3:1-9
 
 
 
 
 

I like this man's opinion:
YHWH...   
              The "Name" of the Father in heaven. 

         Most Hebrew "Names" had meanings. Names of people today in general are often less like that.  They are given based on what the parents prefer to call their children.  Sometimes the name may simply be one that the parent likes, or it may be the name of a relative. This is even sometimes the case in ancient Israel during Jesus time, where many people expected the parents to name their child after a relative. (Luke 1:61) (Luke1:59,60,61,62,63,64)  But notice this; the angel of the Lord told Zechariah, that he should name his son John, (Luke 1:13) , and that is what both he and his wife did.  Mary the mother of Jesus was also told what name to give her son by an angel. (Luke 1:31) 
The names in the bible, are unlike the names parents give their children today.  Most bible names have meanings that encompass so much more.   God brought the animals to Adam to see what Adam would call each of them. (Gen 2:19)
Although the bible fails to say this, it is unlikely that Adam simply picked a nice sounding name.  I think Adam was very careful about this assignment... Adam probably studied the animal and thoughtfully decided on a name that fit the animal.
 God even changed the names of some persons to describe the individual more accurately.  For example at age 99 God changed Abraham's name from Abram to Abraham, and his wife's name from Sarai to Sarah.(Gen 17:1-5; Gen 17:15) 
These names defined  some of the attributes of an individual.

In this sense the Father's "name" is less likely just a "proper name" as we understand names today. It is probable that no human could comprehend it's full meaning. (Compare Rev 19:12; Rev 2:17)  These two scriptures alone show us that a "name" is more than simply a person's "name" as we understand it today.  There is so much more meaning that we can fail to discern.  The white pebble (or stone) that is given to the faithful who conquer, is known only to the one who receives it. (Rev 2:17)  When Jesus said "I have made your name "known"...it meant something other than making the spelling or sound of the "name" of God known. (Most of the Jews of his day already had a better handle on the Hebrew language than we do). 

 Even Pharoah of Egypt "knew" that part of it...But did he really "know" God ? . (Exodus 5:2)

Holman Christian Standard Bible

But Pharaoh responded, "Who is Yahweh that I should obey Him by letting Israel go? I do not know anything about Yahweh, and besides, I will not let Israel go."

YHWH:  The descriptive "name" of God.
 For us to routinely use that descriptive name, as if it were a proper name, may be the wrong thing to do.

Here is an interesting thought:  How would you address your earthly father?  You could call him "Father" or possibly "Dad".  
Out of respect for your father, would you call him by his first name?  Would you introduce him to your friends using his first name?
Would you introduce your earthly father by his descriptive name... as..."He who caused my birth"?  Would you introduce your earthly mother as "She that gave birth to me"?   
(I think most people would consider that disrespectful.)
Jesus is going to hand everything back over to his "Father".
(1 Cor 15:24, 28)   
When he does, God will become all things to everyone.  
If Jesus calls his Father..."Father", then what will we call him when we become God's earthly children?
Jesus told the Samaritan Woman at the well, that "True Worshipers" would worship the "Father" with spirit and truth, for indeed, the "Father" is looking for suchlike ones to worship him. 
(John 4:21, 23, 24)
It makes me wonder...since Jesus had many opportunities to verbally make the spelling and sound of God's descriptive "Name" known, then why didn't he?  Instead he simply and respectfully called God..."Father", as did the Apostles and disciples.  They all had ample opportunity to use the "Name", but if you search the scriptures,  it would be a difficult task without their original writings, to conclusively challenge the fact that this is absent.

The True God's name, a verb form of Hebrew, means "To be"..."He causes to become"...so he can be whatever he has to be to accomplish his purpose. He can cause to be whatever he will, to accomplish his purposes.  {Hebrew verb...hawah..."to be"}.

Knowing God's "name" means understanding him as fully as we humans can.  

It means having faith in the meaning of his name, that he will live up to his "Name"...specifically, the description of what his name means.  


Jesus would never have followed any man-made traditions.  Nor today, would he use any "man-made" names for God, as Bible translators do today, simply because that name was in use for a couple of centuries.

( The  J   is absent in Hebrew. The J that Bible translators use, comes from the Germanic language in much later centuries.
 Those translators also decided to place vowels from the Hebrew word Adonai as well. 
 In the Hebrew language ... the word "hovah" essentially means;  to destroy, ruin, disaster, to make mischief, according to some.  This descriptive "name"  more of a description of Satan, than it is of Almighty God...the one who creates and gives life). (Genesis 1:31)
The name "Hovah" fails to convey a creator of life and good.

     If we had the original manuscripts of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John from the First Century, as well as all the original letters that Luke, Paul, Peter, James and John wrote, there would be little controversy as to whether Jesus used God's descriptive name as has been said by the Watchtower organization.       

     We fail to have the original First Century manuscripts. We only have parts from the second and third century at the earliest. Those could have been corrupted by the then already existing men of lawlessness.
    We are unable go back in time to the first century to hear whether they used the divine name. Were we there to listen to Jesus or his Apostles speak, we would be able to know, however, without this possibility to go back in time, to know how to "pronounce" the divine "name" would be even more difficult.
       God has promised that the understanding of the "scrolls" (bible) would be opened up to us in the time of the end. 

If Jesus called God "Father", then why not imitate him?
You can imitate Jesus. It is allowed.

Agape, 
Obadiah
 
https://nameofgodatobadiah.blogspot.com/2013/09/yhwh.html?m=1

I think how question of identifications is good, very important and only issue here that need/have to be accented. Act of baptism is completely in sphere of personal, individual  reasons and decisions about leaving one way of life and accepting Jesus teachings and his Kingdom with new way of thinking and hope.
2nd JW baptismal question is directed to gather people under power of one organization. This organization has Legal Name, and acts (or sometimes not acts) under secular laws. This Organization found it very important to separate own members and that these members are possible to be recognized by other people and organizations as members of THIS organization, WTJWorg. Because of that all these baptized individuals have to be under new nomenclature invented by people. In fact Jesus not gave any name to his new formed group, followers, disciples. Jesus not prophesied nothing about future organization with specific name (Israel is name given by JHVH to Jacob. And all Jacob's offspring later came under Moses system and came to be known as Israelite, Israel Nation)
Well now, what "nation" have to come from Jesus? And what name is proper, appropriate for them? Christians, JW's ....?   
 
Maybe i do err in thinking, but these words are said by Jesus and as such they must be part of baptism ceremony. I said ceremony, because that is symbolic act that has particular meaning ...for observers. As i said above, true act is inside the heart of people. Is it baptism real and only way how to survive and be in God's mercy, i don't know. Is it baptism only way how to be recognized as Jesus's disciples and follower, i don't know. 
And in a lack of person who can doing baptism, can person do it solely, for himself? And to tell these words with own mouth? Perhaps it is possible.

I found interesting video, with very important evidences about few subjects. Video took place in Cardiff, Wales 2019. Summer Convention "Love never fails".
1) To what extend JW members are equipped for reasoning and how much they are willing to defend own teachings and beliefs?
2) To what measure JW members who are Convention delegates are under control of people in "orange vests"? And why they allow them to be under their control?
3) Why JW members who wear "orange vests" and are in official capacity are not willing to defend WT published teachings? 
4) Does it mean how every JW member who make some sort of sin in his life as JW congregant is "professed JW" while the state of sin lasts?
5) Does he/she in time before and after sinning is considered as "genuine JW"?
.....and some more.
Enjoy in good material for thinking and discussion. 
 Sadly, child sexual abuse is a worldwide plague, and true Christians have been affected by this plague. Why? “Wicked men and impostors” abound, and some may try to enter the congregation. (2 Tim. 3:13) In addition, some professing to be a part of the congregation have succumbed to perverted fleshly desires and have sexually abused children. Let us discuss why child abuse is such a grave sin. Then we will consider how elders handle instances of serious wrongdoing, including child abuse,  and how parents can protect their children. - https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/watchtower-study-may-2019/love-justice-face-of-wickedness/
 

Jehovah’s Witnesses go to court to block sex abuse report publication
https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2020/01/jehovahs-witnesses-go-to-court-to-block-sex-abuse-report-publication/

Having just looked at @The Librarian topic about the name Jesus I noticed this
The name "Jesus" has a long, long history. The origin of this name is the Hebrew name ????? (yehoshu'a, Strong's #3091 [Latinized as Joshua]), which means "Yahweh saves."
Then in another of @The Librarian topics we have this 
 
The name Jesus (Gr., I·e·sous′) corresponds to the Hebrew name Jeshua (or, in fuller form, Jehoshua), meaning “Jehovah Is Salvation.” 
Um, someone cannot make up their mind here.  
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Sorry @Srecko Sostar I've gone totally off of your topic . 
Would be good if the @The Librarian could move my comments (except this one) to a new topic, please. 
To return to @Srecko Sostar 's topic : " After the death of the apostles, professing Christians left off pronouncing the name". 
Now if that is saying that anyone not using God's name is not a true Christian, then it would of course be important to get God's name right 
Quote : Notwithstanding, it is almost certain that the name of God was originally pronounced “Yah·wehʹ.”
But to quote from Srecko's original topic. 
 In addition, some professing to be a part of the congregation have succumbed to perverted fleshly desires and have sexually abused children.
But some of those are Elders. So they must have been quite convincing in their 'professing to be part of the congregation'. 
 
 

From the Watchtower Library link @Srecko Sostar provided above. 
“This is what you are to say to the sons of Israel: ‘Jehovah the God of your forefathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you.’ This is my name to eternity, and this is the memorial of me to generation after generation.” (Ex. 3:13-15) We, therefore, have the Creator’s own words for it that his name is Jehovah.
Um, not exactly, because the name Jehovah would not have been used. 
YHWH does not translate to Jehovah. 
Whenever they came across the tetragrammaton, JHVH, they studiously substituted the Hebrew words 
Quite funny as when I studied with JWs I was told it was YHWH but this W/t link says JHVH. Um, which is actually right I wonder ? 
The Tetragrammaton is the four-letter Hebrew word יהוה, the name of the biblical God of Israel. The four letters, read from right to left, are yodh, he, waw and he. While there is no consensus about the structure and etymology of the name, "the form Yahweh is now accepted 
Jehovah (/dʒɪˈhoʊvə/) is a Latinization of the Hebrew יְהֹוָה, one vocalization of the Tetragrammaton יהוה (YHWH), the proper name of the God of Israel in the Hebrew Bible[1] and one of the seven names of God in Judaism.
The consensus among scholars is that the historical vocalization of the Tetragrammaton at the time of the redaction of the Torah (6th century BCE) is most likely Yahweh. The historical vocalization was lost because in Second Temple Judaism, during the 3rd to 2nd centuries BCE, the pronunciation of the Tetragrammaton came to be avoided, being substituted with Adonai ("my Lord"). The Hebrew vowel points of Adonai were added to the Tetragrammaton by the Masoretes, and the resulting form was transliterated around the 12th century as Yehowah.[2] The derived forms Iehouah and Jehovah first appeared in the 16th century.
"Jehovah" was popularized in the English-speaking world by William Tyndale and other pioneer English Protestant translations such as the Geneva Bible and the King James Version.[3] The United States Conference of Catholic Bishops states that in order to pronounce the Tetragrammaton "it is necessary to introduce vowels that alter the written and spoken forms of the name", resulting in "Yahweh" or "Jehovah".[4] It also remains in use by the Watchtower Society translators of the New World Translation, and appears in the still-popular translations of the American Standard Version (1901) and the Young's Literal Translation (1862, 1899), but it does not appear in current mainstream English translations, some of which use Yahweh but most continue to use "Lord" or "LORD" to represent same.[5
Food for thought. Would the true Anointed use Jehovah or Yahweh ? 
 

I think how question of identifications is good, very important and only issue here that need/have to be accented. Act of baptism is completely in sphere of personal, individual  reasons and decisions about leaving one way of life and accepting Jesus teachings and his Kingdom with new way of thinking and hope.
2nd JW baptismal question is directed to gather people under power of one organization. This organization has Legal Name, and acts (or sometimes not acts) under secular laws. This Organization found it very important to separate own members and that these members are possible to be recognized by other people and organizations as members of THIS organization, WTJWorg. Because of that all these baptized individuals have to be under new nomenclature invented by people. In fact Jesus not gave any name to his new formed group, followers, disciples. Jesus not prophesied nothing about future organization with specific name (Israel is name given by JHVH to Jacob. And all Jacob's offspring later came under Moses system and came to be known as Israelite, Israel Nation)
Well now, what "nation" have to come from Jesus? And what name is proper, appropriate for them? Christians, JW's ....?   
 
Maybe i do err in thinking, but these words are said by Jesus and as such they must be part of baptism ceremony. I said ceremony, because that is symbolic act that has particular meaning ...for observers. As i said above, true act is inside the heart of people. Is it baptism real and only way how to survive and be in God's mercy, i don't know. Is it baptism only way how to be recognized as Jesus's disciples and follower, i don't know. 
And in a lack of person who can doing baptism, can person do it solely, for himself? And to tell these words with own mouth? Perhaps it is possible.

One quote I found.  " If the meaning of baptism could be boiled down to one word, that word would be identification. Baptism speaks primarily of a personal, public identification with Jesus Christ. "
Matthew 28 v 19 NWT
"Go, therefore, and make disciples of people of all the nations,o baptizing themp in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, "
J W baptism.
Baptisms are usually held at assemblies and conventions of Jehovah’s Witnesses. At the conclusion of the baptism talk, the speaker will ask the baptism candidates to stand and answer the following two questions in a loud voice:
1. Have you repented of your sins, dedicated yourself to Jehovah, and accepted his way of salvation through Jesus Christ?
2. Do you understand that your baptism identifies you as one of Jehovah’s Witnesses in association with Jehovah’s organization?
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So where are the words in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, " ?
And where in the Bible does it say that a person gets baptised into an 'Organisation' ?
Should the JW Org use the words that Jesus instructed to be used ? 
Now a puzzling question. What actually is a JW Org baptism ? Sound like a stupid question ? Um. 
If a baptised JW leaves the Org or is disfellowshipped, they are then shunned. So are they still a Christian ? 
Does their baptism still count for anything ? 
In the first century it would have been anointed ones that did the baptising. A baptised one, would become a Christian serving God through Christ. There was no IBSA, and no JW Org. (Although some on here try to pretend that the 1st Century Christians were JWs)
So who now has the right to baptise ?  Should it be Anointed one's that baptise ? Therefore should it be made clear who are the Anointed ones ?
I suppose it would be difficult to know who they are, and to have so few Anointed baptise so many earth wide. 
But, by what authority do the Elders baptise ? And is it a true baptism as it is 'into the Org' not as Jesus first directed ?
Does anyone else have the right to baptise and would it be recognised as such by God and Christ ?
Add to this that if a person is reinstated into JW Org and then, wow, everyone can talk to them again, their original baptism into JW Org is ok, and they don't need to do it again. 
How does any of that match up with God's written word ?  
 
 

There are 66 books in the Bible.  65 of them speak of those in relationship with God – those in covenant with him.  If nations were involved, they were nations that affected God’s people directly. From Adam, to Abraham…Moses, the nation of Israel, Jews, Jesus, to spiritual “Israel” -  all pages of the Bible are directed towards God’s people in covenant.   Why would the last book that speaks of the most difficult era before death is destroyed, (1 Cor 15:26) have anything to do with nations not under covenant with God, and are not cognizant of who “Israel” is?    One book, out of 66.
Your Armageddon teachings say that all nations will be destroyed because of their sins, and the organization of 8 million people will be left to enter into “paradise”.  Your teachings project that God will protect you, despite of all of the WATCHTOWER’S sins; sins that are no different than those being committed by all other organization.  The magazine’s illustrations depict JWs coming under attack and Christ stepping in with his angels to physically kill armies of the nations, who are apparently coming against YOU, an “innocent” people.  Lo and behold, all are saved at the last moment.
When I speak of the sins of the WT, I hear a complaining spirit saying, “where is God’s mercy?”  I ask, where is the understanding of God’s justice in the mind of a JW?  It is totally apparent that the organization as a whole, has no sense of it, or the gravity of its own sins.  God’s people under covenant are His focus – “Israel”, the anointed ones of “New Jerusalem” (Gal 4:26)   Yes, Satan will cause horrendous destruction, but Revelation is about the “great city” that has always been the topic of the Bible.  It doesn’t change with the 66th book; what changes is the spiritual perspective. 
Matt 5:35 -  or by the earth, for it is his footstool; or by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the Great King.
Beautiful in its loftiness,
    the joy of the whole earth,
like the heights of Zaphonis Mount Zion,
    the city of the Great King.  Ps 48:2
“How the faithful city has become a harlot, She who was full of justice! Righteousness once lodged in her, But now murderers.”  Isa 1:21
The WT has given JWs a hint of who the Harlot and “great city” of Revelation is, but it remains unseen.   As even your leaders admit, Jerusalem is Jerusalem, and it doesn’t apply to Christendom.  They have erased the teaching of an “anti-typical” Jerusalem.   The “great city” spoken of in Revelation is that city which bears God’s name. 
“See, I am beginning to bring disaster on the city that bears my Name, and will you indeed go unpunished? You will not go unpunished, for I am calling down a sword on all who live on the earth, declares the Lord Almighty.’  Jer 25:29
What city is greater than Zion, than Jerusalem?
Do JWS really believe that all in the WT who “share” in the Harlot’s (GB) sins will go unpunished?  Rev 18:4-8  Is the organization somehow impervious to destruction no matter what they do or by who, in Satan’s world?  That would be an awesome idol of great power that dares to stand against God’s judgments.  
People worshiped the dragon because he had given authority to the beast, and they also worshiped the beast and asked, “Who is like the beast? Who can wage war against it?”  Rev 13:4
“When you cry out for help, let your collection of idols save you! The wind will carry all of them off, a mere breath will blow them away. But whoever takes refuge in Me will inherit the land and possess my holy mountain”  Isa 57:13
“Then I saw that the woman was drunk with the blood of the saints and with the blood of the witnesses to Jesus. When I saw her, I was greatly astonished.  Rev 17:6
“O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her brood under her wings, but you were not willing!”  Luke 13:34
Who is that “woman”/Harlot who spiritually “kills” the anointed ones for their testimony to Jesus”?
“The Lord answered, “Who then is the faithful and wise manager, whom the master puts in charge of his servants to give them their food allowance at the proper time?    But suppose the servant says to himself, ‘My master is taking a long time in coming,’ and he then begins to beat the other servants, both men and women, and to eat and drink and get drunk.”  Luke 12:42,45
Surely, that should answer it.  It is your GB with "her" army of elders. 
“The second beast (false prophet/Harlot)  was given power to give breath to the image of the first beast (“spirit-directed organization”) , so that the image could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed.”  Rev 13:15
When they finish their testimony, the beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit will make war against them, overcome them, and kill them. 8 And their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also [c]our Lord was crucified.
The “great city” is not found in Christendom or in the world.  No nation has as its target, the anointed ones, when not even JWs know who they are. 
Although Satan does, who is seen as using DECEIT in the last book of the Bible, to destroy them.
“Now when the thousand years have expired, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle, whose number is as the sand of the sea. 9 They went up on the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city. And fire came down from God out of heaven and devoured them. 10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.  Rev 20:7-10
If all JWs have their eyes fixed in anticipation of living out the movie of Armageddon produced by your leaders, where is the deceit that the “saints”/anointed succumb to? 
It is in another movie; one that JWs are part of each day of their lives – the organization.   
Unless the Lord of hosts
Had left to us a very small remnant,
We would have become like Sodom,
We would have been made like Gomorrah.  Isa 1:9
“And I will give power to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy one thousand two hundred and sixty days, clothed in sackcloth. When they finish their testimony, the beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit will make war against them, overcome them, and kill them. 8 And their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.”  Rev 11:7-8
Any JW anointed or not, who has been disfellowshipped, knows clearly that they are considered “dead”. 
 
 
 
 
 https://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2013/05/a-letter-i-received-hi-sister-pearl-i.html
 
 
 

Good point. And to Arauna's point, most "Westerners" view the world only through "Western" eyes. The news about various countries in the world sounds almost the same in France, UK, Australia, Canada, Japan, US, Germany, etc.
And probably get taken in much less than the overall world due to neutrality, disinterest in low priority secular things, general avoidance of non-JW Internet sites. We've got our own priorities to be concerned about. (Although I'm sure this forum would make many wonder about myself and others.)
Important point about Russia not being as belligerent as America. This has been true for decades. While America hyped Russia's conflicts in Afghanistan and Georgia and now Ukraine, America would never hype the fact that America has been caught fomenting trouble in Ukraine, Iraq, Iran, even Hong Kong with CIA operatives, while amassing bases and missiles and ships all along the borders in Eastern Europe, the Mideast, the southern border of North Korea, creating coups and wars in Africa, Central and South America, etc. Another irony is that while deploring Russia's involvement in Syria, America doesn't report (except once accidentally and then quickly walked back) the number of US troops that had already invaded and who have been sitting inside Syria's borders all along, uninvited, based in the oil-rich areas of Syria, where America has been (and still is) controlling the flow of a majority of Syria's oil. America constantly discusses the threats of various other countries, while America is already overrunning and bombing countries to create death, chaos, and instability. Now, one of the problems is that it turns out that military lobbyists have been pushing various planes, radar systems, and defensive weapons that don't work very well. And while this was always a way to keep countries buying upgrades, now some of those buyers are looking to buy from Russia and China for various defensive weapons, because they don't trust the American weapons as they once did.
You must be like a "Beroean" on Twitter. Too bad there is no perfect method. And then there are the bots which flood one end or the other of your polar opposites and try to create trends and skews. There is another method of ruining any method of gathering accurate news sources, which many hope to get through Twitter/FB, and that's the inclusion of purposeful creation of "chaos" disguised as plain and simple truth in mainstream media. (Trump tweets, NYTimes, Vox, Vice, CNN, Fox, MSNBC) 
Much more to be said on this. Might come back to it later.
I'm sure I sounded a bit harsher than I meant to. If I made it sound like a big problem, I didn't mean to. For me this is not a controversy. Rutherford was just plainly wrong on this. Doesn't change the fact that he was right on so many other things. But I have to ask. Do you really think any of this information is applicable to paragraphs 8 and 11 of yesterday's Watchtower? Those WT paragraphs were about "lies" and "apostate lies." This is just information, hopefully honest and unvarnished. Also, one of the scriptures in the Study was Isaiah 54:17:
17  No weapon formed against you will have any success, . . .
A shield of knowledge will help us blunt the effect from anyone who tries to weaponize this information. But sometimes the actual shield for our faith will merely take the form of honesty and humility, and accepting the humanity of those taking the lead among us. If something turns out to be true, we don't want to be too quick to just reject is as false because we don't like the sound of it. 
I was only referring to the principle of not accepting something as true without multiple "witnesses" of evidence, documentation, speeches, etc. For me it meant that I wouldn't want to put something out here as fact unless I had personally done a good amount of due-diligence. It wasn't about whether anyone else should read and accept what someone puts on this forum and accepts it just because it includes multiple instances of evidence. Until someone already "knows" or looks up evidence for themselves, all they have looked at here is just someone's opinion about the evidence. 

The elders and dignitaries are the head,
    the prophets who teach lies are the tail.
Those who guide this people mislead them,
    and those who are guided are led astray.  Isa 9:15,16

Perhaps Judge Rutherford is of those JW members who read only WT books, publications :))) and lack of this sort of knowledge shaped his feelings to Hitler expressed in a Letter.
Or Judge Rutherford just used tactic of "theocratic war" and lied about standpoints he had about Nazi Germany.
To be said in WT theocratic sort of wording, and as GB very well explained own position. Here we can explain secular position: "they are not inspired and can err" ..... :)))))