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@Arauna Yes, and in my case, it is as if it is a cultural sin. @Srecko Sostar Any day now, it still amazes me when you post a response and it prompts question, you do not wish to answer it. The irony of it all, the answer to that very question befits what too place thereafter, hence when it comes to that Bible verse in question, you miss it's context. So again, as done before, as is being done now, 1 John 4:1 has been used against you (This verse being used against you time and time again is tragically telling, even for you).

Well this correlates with what I said a while back, it was bound to happen. The question is, should one cave in or should one endure? @4Jah2me The US and the UK react as such because China is not their ally, but the ally of the Iranians and the Russians, therefore, they will always be critical of China just as Theresa May was with Russia. That being said, there are 2 factional powers under seated near the UN. The faction that the US and the UK are under, they wish to have a hand in everything, which can be seen with the pandemic and the widespread protest. As a truther, I can confidentially state that BLM as long sine deviated from the message they preach, therefore, those blindly supporting them do not know what they are getting themselves into. Even to those I say this too seem surprised because of my background and culture, but the truth is the truth, and all Truthers point this out regardless of their race or sex or background.

At the end of the day, the lockdown was a mistake and should not have been prompted. Despite this, people should not be confined to their homes for a period of time.

You are now deviating from the focus. Even now you continue to do this, which says a lot about how you yourself do not really apply the verse. That being said, I will address the question a second time to you, regarding Jesus' example and how it can be applied:::: This is not a difficult question to answer, Srecko. As far as I am concern, no one mentioned church nor does it have anything to do with any church, so please - stop with the deviation, it will only engineer your own demise, as it has done before.

True. Also which I find ironic is not a whole lot of Christians like to talk about Moses, as seen in one debate, a Christian woman has thrown the Levite under the bus, and his companions.

I believed you've confused yourself on this matter. The point is to understanding what is true which sharpens if you are to apply vs. understanding what is true, but deviating, thus dulling thyself. As with Jesus example, you are far from the point; more so, a bit confusing vs. what you presented prior. The question is this - Would it be wise on your part to speak and or take up a truth and understanding it to sharpen yourself?

The information and evidence provided is outside of the faith communities, individuals and other groups, as with legitimate evidence to culture concerning even that of blood. It links up with them as well if we are to include them. That being said, as I told many, JWs are not immune, they, as with all, are imperfect. The only thing is, not many of them are well equipped to deal with dangers, therefore, if we are to apply what we learn, especially from services we can make some sort of change as long as everything lines up (state, laws, etc.). There was however one example, a Swahili JW I mentioned a while back, for he knew all things related to child abuse, domestic abuse towards men, women, etc and how he applied it, he gave counsel. For what he knows and what he does, someone else, let's say in the UK, may not be capable of doing. To minimize the damage anywhere, what we can do, even you, is to teach people. But yeah, as for blood, they are not the only ones; blood is both risky, as is culturally damaging.

That is only if you apply and learn from the facts and evidence given, as is, with what is actually true. For if we are to put this application we are in a positive light regards to the matter. Not doing so, you are not sharpen, you only become dull. That being said, those who understand what is true are the ones who are sharpen and can sharpen others, but those who deviated from understanding what is true, well, they will not be the sharpest tool in the shed, in this sense.

Understandable, but you seem to be focused on one side who speak such, not realizing the other side of what you just mentioned. Child abuse is, as well as domestic violence and the like, is something that can damage directly and or indirectly, and it can easily effect those who are not trained and or well equipped to deal with it because this type of sin can put a whole community into limbo and not easy for them to recover at times. As for the shunning, it is supposed to be regarding church ties, hence how excommunication is done, and for the blood issue, not everyone is for blood transfusions, therefore, they see other alternatives that do not require this standard (dubbed gold standard by those in the EU), likewise, there are some cultures out there, mine even, who do not give/take blood at all due to a number of reasons, among them being something quite dark (something I, as a Christian am against). Moreover, you even have other groups and people partaking in alternatives, for instance, you have the US military whereas some opt out blood transfusions for bloodless medicine, as with others, for they do not want to succumb to later complications, as many have, as is with evading contaminated blood. Bible wise, the blood issue has carried over to the New Covenant, therefore, it is not too surprising that any Christians avoid giving/taking blood, to add on to their case, the only blood that is more sacred is that of the Christ, for by means of him, God's hope is what we know by means of our faith and it is this hope that will allow us to live once more. Now, even if I do take/give blood, by the mainstream, my blood, or my people's blood has been branded as the blood of the Devil, for you see, such people quick to judge everyone of that culture and race for the actions of a few people, which is not good. Americans as well as others know the existence of these things, especially abuse, but they have provided tools to combating the issue. The problem is no one is listening, nor is anyone putting it into practice, for only a small number of people, myself included, are actually listening and applying what child abuse and neglect services tell us to practice and teach. Likewise with any other form of abuse. As for the other two, Americans are aware of the church's ability to practice excommunication, even so, they've written articles on the matter, some even expressing the one true form of excommunication vs. the ones practiced in some churches. As for blood, not all Americans are for blood transfusions, espically with the fact you have Factor and Ambrosia in our midst.

@TrueTomHarley Not to mention that I still see this part of the forum as to what it was originally - Controversial Posts "While here, best be well prepared to be challenged" something along those lines.

@4Jah2me Essentially what JWI stated. The thing is, a translations that is as close to the original source is often the one that is best to use, be it if you can read it as is and or in modern language. Not a fan of the KJV Bible however, and I have my reasons.

@JW Insider So far, the Criminal News Network continues to toot the horn of racism and defends Antifa without question. Now, a lot of us are wondering what will actually happen if Antifa finally gets their cookies out of the jar. What will become of the Democrats granted they have been having a hand ion helping, as well as releasing Antifa from the just torment of captivity? Granted that Antifa is out and about, and have been increasingly violent, on the other side of the spectrum you have other groups like the rights BAMN making a come back, so having all these groups, BLM and the like is asking for a honey pot of chaos. That being said, I remember we talked about Tucker Carlson, for as of recent he did make a valid point regarding the situation. @TrueTomHarley That too, there seems to be water, bricks, and a number of other items being conveniently placed throughout parts of the state. Antifa has also been handing out objects to people in lower class areas to commit to violence, as is, with influencing the youth. Antifa goons often come from rich and well educated families. Now, for what we are seeing, they are doing this so that they can cover their own when they commit to serious acts of violence, so if you give the bricks to the young to do violence, the police will focus on them and not you, when you are doing something diabolically bad. @Arauna Yes. I do not know if it was mentioned before but from the beginning, covid-19 to now, YHWH is being written in some parts, well in the tri-state area. So you can often see Jehovah, Yahweh, and or God's name in Spanish being written on walls and or objects. Jesus' name is often see next to the writing as well. Granted you are one of JWs, you are not as worried that those that hate you will make an attempt on your community and or buildings? As I recall, your opposition linked you with Antifa and Soros back in 2017, which was falsehood that many EXJWs preach. Granted that people are using the rioting to cover their own actions, the religious groups can be effected in some way shape or form. EDIT: It seems police is only going after the peaceful protesters, but do little to nothing for the rioters who are looting in some parts. On other news, it has been confirmed (not admitted by the Far-Left) that ANTIFA has indeed infiltrated the protesters such as BLM and the like, the rioters/looters across the state.

That is only if you simply eat from the hands of the MSM, in doing so, one will be quick to deem the issue of Racism. Likewise with the Police, not ALL police are guilty for the actions of a bad cop and or cop(s), this correlates with the comment you mentioned elsewhere that all of a faith group is deem guilty, when in reality, those that do bad does not define the whole community. It is not about the working class nor the higher, mid, lower classes in the United States. The protest began as it normally should, however, it went far beyond the death of George Floyd and Police Brutality, just last night, a police officer was killed, and people watched him choke and die from his own blood live on FB. Another officer speaking on the chaos on this link He did not have to go out like that, but the MSM will claim it is an issue of racism, oddly enough they have not even mentioned this officer, let alone the woman defending her child against rioters. You also have the MSM FOOLISHLY CONTINUING to call the Anti-fascist heroes whereas Trump deem them as terrorist. My strong disdain for Yvette and her BAMN equals that of ANTIFA. What pains me more is BAMN is back. Yes, we are no part of the world, but in order to remain vigilant, we must recognize and be cautious of things happening regarding violence, abuse, corruption, etc. As I told Witness, you are as good as a tool to the wicked if you do not pay attention. Sadly, all bad things of this world is the price we pay for due to imperfection, as bad things happen to every man, woman and child, all we can do is prevent some instances, we cannot stop all of them; reach one, teach one, save one. Remember these people are NO LONGER DEEMED Protesters, for there is a difference between a Protester and a Rioter. Also The answer would be no. The Great Commission has not ended yet. The End Times Tribulations will be hellishly worse. Remember, before the end comes, the preaching of the good news gospel must be preached. That being said, the CWII talk is being spoken again in the Truther Community. Possibility vs. It actually happening. As for you, in London, the horns of racism is being spread as if it is the gospel itself. Clearly, the damage can be seen, for the more the MSM presses this message, the more danger it will bring.

We Truthers have been saying this forever. So now - you see the result. Are you also going to believe us if we are saying that there are weapons and items to use for violence being given to people who are rioting?

@Srecko Sostar In a sense, Higher Education can be used as a tool by the Devil. This is why people nowadays are starting to see this, that is, if they carefully see the things unfold in front of them and trend their path within the education institutional spectrum with caution. That being said, there are a lot of Millennials like me, as is with Generation Z, and the soon to come, Alpha, who are taking different paths, and most are not going towards the default. In a sense, think of it this way, in every video game regardless of genre, there is always a default setting set by the programmer and or developer, the player can change said settings and do not have to submit to the default, some do, some do not. Likewise with higher education, the default path is set before such folks, but that is not always the 100% path. Plus as said before, there is a danger in higher education, I need not have to post, link and cite examples and articles on the matter, nor do I need to speak on my own experience.

True. Regarding China however, China is on the opposite side of the spectrum, hence their allies. The UN only has some sort of control because among them there are the seated who are from China, however, should the UN raise some sort of control and or authority, they will react. The UN cannot totally control the Chinese Gov't, however, they continue to make an attempt and or tickle their ears if you will, which is difficult when dealing with the Communist Party, as well as threatening some of their allies in the past. As of recent, what I said a while back still remains:

It is crazy, it reminds me of what happen to Daniel Shaver a few years back.

They've been releasing some ANTIFA members lately, and the oddity of stack bricks in some locations, which confuses me. My legitimate adversary is BAMN for good reason too, this group is similar to ANTIFA. The so called head of this group is one I've actually briefly confronted in the past, her name is Yvette Felarca. Although defeated, her influenced is still present among these crazed groups. The people will be damned if the UN steps up again, for you have people like Haley reacting to the madness and others, they will use this opportunity to take action just like they did with the sex slaves, with Heyer, Syria, etc. It's also gotten to the point whereas the NG is stated to have shot someone, vice versa, people have been brutally injured and or killed. That being said, as already pointed out, this is no longer about George Floyd, and the increased tension only enables the power that people to slowly formulate and take action, with the UN peeping it's head from around the corner.

The UN has a hand in both political parties as is with religious and educational institutions and the like that are part of their movement 100%, i.e. Kairos Movement, PEAK, Together, etc. granted this connection is to bring forth both peace and security. Regarding Charlottesville, after the chaos that went about regarding a crowded Unite the Right protest where white supremacy members were involved, as is, with the tragic death of a young woman named Heather Danielle Heyer. I mentioned this a couple of times because some of us are aware of how the United Nations operate in full force, some to which both me and JTR understood and even discussion on whereas others such as Witness was unaware of what the UN resolutions are and how they operate from the 1900s and onward. Going back to the case of Unite the Right, after Heyer's death, they used her as a martyr to further spark racial tension and anarchy, granted during that time, the protesting was not as high level such as the one today and it died down. After the event The United Nations took this opportunity to speak of a totalitarian based narrative in order to control the people, in addition to that, they began to focus their attention on the 1st amendment, which if they had their way, you, me and even the JWs here will have a lot of trouble from that point onward. The actions of the UN resulted in a lot of angry people, and due to this, they had to step back a bit. The UN only moves in as the heat of tension begins to rise, either in the US and or elsewhere in the world, for instance, because of them, we almost had a lot of trouble with the Syrians. As of present day, as stated, their movement is subtle, but their motive is still the same, even one of it's still connected members, Nikki Haley, had said something ridiculous the other day, and her words is an example of increased violence and chaos, should you question her about the comment, she has no answer for it, as is with her past statements, for she honestly believes this is the right path. It is one of the reasons, I said a while back that... No one likes the United Nations and those that do are supporting them, even going as far as to seek sponsors from them. As well as: Those in the conquest of Peace and the other faction in the conquest for Security is a MAJOR THREAT to real faithful God fearing Christians - be on your guard whereas on the other side of the spectrum, there is brutality and violence.... The UN and connected allies who are on their side are on the Conquest of Security. Which was evident with their members in the past, examples such as Nikki Haley. That being said, a lot of Christians are aware, especially what went down with those in connection such as Kairos in Washington DC, and parts of the US. We are not fooled, and to be fooled by such only enables you to be devoured by such an enemy. This is why it is critical, very critical with absolute certainty for Christians to know who their real enemy is. As much as I disagree with pagan practices and the Triune doctrine, I do not wish such an enemy even against those I refute, for this enemy can bring quite the damnation upon an individual and or group. The rabbit hole is even deeper, too much to explain here, but this is just but a peddle on the surface as of now. With that in mind, I suggest paying attention, otherwise you can easily, without knowing slip into the hands of this enemy, such as many out there, even people who profess God and his Christ become victim quite swiftly.

No religious institution has ever stopped. Regardless, the people are the church, not the building. That being said, people have been preaching the gospel still, including me, although I cannot go to Africa and the like or even my own country, but I connect with those I speak with. Likewise, with the children who look up to me and others, we are still in communication with them, and by means of example they apply and they teach.

@Kosonen I've pointed this out a few times on this forums. It was bound to happen because the Powers that Be will always be seeking power. Among Truthers, there ARE conspiracy theorist, but real Truthers are not these types. The mark of the beats... Corruption, Nationalism, Patriotism, etc. The people admire the beast, they kiss it's feet, they lay down with it, feed it, give it power, and seek it's help. The people do not have a level of obeying government, they submit to it FULLY even if it kills them. This is the same beast that killed Serena and countless of others, they even kill their own no matter how sadistic the person is, granted his knowing of high profile people, his death was a must. Truthers will prevail and continue to speak truth. As for the other bit: Granted I am not in favor of any form of drug, hence how I operate, I have never taken medication in my life for I prefer all things natural and longevity, slowing down ailments, being a bit more resistant to sicknesses, etc. since my childhood and onward. The thing is, it takes time to strengthen the immunity system, make it stronger, however, rushing into it will not do much for anyone especially during a pandemic. These things take time, and by use of this time, you can do what is needed, however every race, age, sex is different as with the level of health the person is in, so it various, a sad reality is, for some it is a bit too late. It is also wise to be very knowledgeable in combating a nouvel enemy. That being said, when you are 28, but physically and within you feel and or move as if 19-20, is among several things concerning longevity due to methods I have put into application,a s is with some I tweaked from time to time. As for medication, that is up to the person to partake or not, others prefer to go the non-drug route. If I may suggest, I would say look into Avocados, among the many things rich in Zinc.

Not exactly, this is far different although wearing a mask of the past. The UN does have some involvement, do you not recall what they tried to do regarding Charlottesville? Just because you do not see the United Nations, do not be fooled, for they are like that of the unknown and dangerous man who you spot in the ally, unpredictable, and very subtle with their moves. It is also obvious when you have the rights and freedoms as is with the amendments being shifted in turn of more authoritarian measures. The UN and all it's branches wants this stuff so they can put their hands and make some change and or action. There will never be a Normal after this when you have armed protesters vs. an armed house owner, enemies into friends, friends into enemies type situation. Remember - There is a faction that has a conquest for peace, and the other for security. I am very adamant about this stuff, and among all things and I view it strongly. That being said, these riots is no longer about the death of Floyd, for it has left that train a long time ago as the silly MSM toots the blow horn of racisim to put more logs into the fire. The National Guard are put pieces on the chess board, as is with the US military and the economical global mafia as the truthers call it.

Not anytime soon. Hence, they will most likely commit to their activities within the confines of their homes and or if any of who they minster to allows them to visit. The end is not here yet, so the gospel is still ongoing, for Jesus spoke about the Commission.

@Kosonen Tis but a branch, not the tree. But as stated in regards to tensions a year or two ago, what did you expect? The triad of all things problematic makes it an even bigger issue. Regarding the UN, as most would point out, it is still the beast. Their conquest for security is still ongoing, and you may not see them, but there involvement is subtle.

The simple answer is No. Granted, that some would just see such and such as providing tools for them and nothing more, and with said tools they can go on their own to some level and or degree despite being in the community itself. As for the latter, the pastor did not take up the non-Restorationist view, especially the concept of some teachings of that time, hence why met up with others and the Restorationist Christian group was formed, aka The Bible Students. This was by no means of schism and or a split, just the fact that the mainstream ideas were not as accurate vs. the legitimate ideas concerning God. The other part, you have it backwards, Bible Students have split on their own prior to becoming JWs if I am not mistaken and only a few of them continue with their own following, for this is something not too common. More so, some followings have deviated into teachings of Scripture that is vastly different. For instance, there are certain things that one Biblical Unitarian believes vs. the other Biblical Unitarian, for information 4Jah2me posted, that Unitarian in question has a vastly different view from me. Or, we can take up our last discussion, for I do not believe in a Romanic practice for good reason, but you openly defend it. That being said, it all comes down to of WHO, be it group or individual, is applying what the early church has done. History repeats itself and the battle of the 4th century is still ongoing.