JOHN BUTLER

... dear Anna, if you open NWT Bible on page 1578 and 1579 (in Croatian edition 2006) authors of translation quoted how John (apostle) wrote 1,2 and 3 John in a year cca 98.
So, book of Revelation is the book that placed on last position of Bible, but last written was those 3 letters, not Revelation, according to WT.
That is what John Butler noticed about comment you gave. And that is just that. Nothing more. Not John Butler not me made up things about this issue. We just read NWT Bible and check information about "last" inspired words that found its place in Bible books.
By the way does anyone know what was the name of that Catholic Roman Pope who ccollected  "inspired" books and letters and then decide what one of all will be part of Bible - Catholic Bible of course. Later came Protestant Bible. And later came NWT Bible. And in the middle there is many other Bibles too.       
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Thanks to heaven, people  have no  power to read other people mind and motives.  
But, thanks to heaven too, other people have power to be suspicious about other people words. Also to be stubborn and persistent in that. 
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These guys go totally off topic but I don't mind it takes the heat off me for a while.  
 

Really? What scripture is that in?

These guys go totally off topic but I don't mind it takes the heat off me for a while.  
 

Your turn will come, buster.

You do ok. Do not worry about those that have no fellow feeling. Some of us show love, some don't. 
I'm English and all I can speak and write is English, so you are doing better than me. 

My point was of course that if the Governing Body promote as 'fact' that they are the 'Faithful and discreet slave' therefore exalting themselves,  and then give false information (bad food) concerning the will of God, then they are deliberately sinning...  
“Who really is the faithful and discreet slave whom his master appointed over his domestics, to give them their food at the proper time?  Matthew 24 v 45.
But another point has just appeared to me. The above scripture is from Matthew. The below scripture is from Luke. Do you notice a difference ?
 And the Lord said: “Who really is the faithful steward, the discreet one, whom his master will appoint over his body of attendants to keep giving them their measure of food supplies at the proper time?    Luke 12 v 42.
The Matthew scripture is past tense, the Luke scripture is future tense. 
But my original point on this issue was that the GB make it known as 'fact' that they have this responsibility, and only those 8 men, no one else. But they prove themselves false because the 'food' they supply in not true food.

I am like Moses, man of few words, not know how to talking. Even in my Croatian language i spending day in less talking than other people. In English i have problem with grammar and structuring Croatian way of sentences to English way. ;)))
So, please accept my  apologize for that. This is me, ....you can kill me but this is me :)))))

That's just something between me and Tom

Was John not inspired at Ephesus when he wrote his other writings then, two years later  (1,2,3, John)   ?  

we are getting off on a whole different topic. 

Yes quite a lovely thought really. If suicide was painless and not frightening. Why wait for Armageddon if life is not good now ?
Just quietly go to sleep and then wake up in the 'New World'. The only downside is that it is a bit selfish if you have loved ones that would miss you and / or need you here.. 
 

She will. ThatÂ’s all that really matters.

People who believe in god and to god can stand on this quote you gave, for sure.
Now, because in every religious system on Earth, exist people, leadership who run god's Heavenly job, work or business here on Earth and in that process of governing they giving information about what god want human (member of one religion) to do, I ask;
WHO giving information?? 
WHO giving right information??  
WHO giving wrong information??
WHO ... in this one and same religion??

Yes, this was idea for some time. After they wrote how specific Hebrew word "yom" can mean undefined, unknown period of time that can last more then 7000 years. I think in Creation book  was (blue book) first time talking about this "new" teaching.
But despite to this revelation about "yom" in Genesis book, WT still standing in interpretation how Adam and Eve as first human on Earth come to existence before only 6000 years ... and few years more (if we count from 1975 till today). 
In this we can see some disharmony, about this two Bible reports, in WT explanations and interpretations about when first human came to existence and how old is Earth, Solar system, Universe. 
Science said one thing and WT something different or not incorporate scientific knowledge and information's in religious teaching of the JW Church.

One case of many that have now been reported and proved true. But still the blind JW's don't believe any of it. 

quite true, but this is just an exercise for thought.
It ultimately destroy's the logic of interpreting Romans 6:23 and 6:7 the way that jws do. 

Until he is reinstated to commit the same horrendous crime, again.
"On June 16, 2005, the elders reinstated Reyes in the congregation at his request. Alexis Nunez, then an 8-year-old girl, would later tell the elders he sexually assaulted her on a near-weekly basis for the next two years."
https://missoulian.com/news/state-and-regional/montana-jehovah-s-witness-sex-abuse-case-underscores-church-s/article_fddc41e5-536b-5843-af30-200cc14892d8.html
 

Yeah John ... don't rush the guy.
He is still flummoxed by the 163 questions I asked him in the past three years, that he did not answer.

I’m on it. It may take a while, though.

Yes, my point was that if the Governing Body have always been the 'faithful and discreet slave' why would God have given them the wrong information ? 
And, if the GB have been proven wrong on such issues, how can anyone trust them now and in the future ? 

Well if somebody decides, in their wisdom, to make a topic about ME and why they THINK I left the Org.
And then they or others say that I'm mentally unbalanced etc. 
Perhaps, just like the GB of JW Org, they bring things on themselves. 
All I was doing was commenting on a previous comment of Anna's which is here on this topic.
But of course Anna and others are allowed to mention the Child Abuse freely, but me, oh no.
Well, Jesus was hated for telling the truth about others, wasn't he ? 
And the scriptures tell us to pick up our 'cross / torture stake' and follow Jesus. It isn't supposed to be easy being honest and truthful. 
There is so much I could say to Anna but I'd only get 'shot' for it. 
Admin close this topic if you wish. Have a good day y'all.  

ANNA says "WT has NEVER shielded or protected known perpetrators. The GB have not mishandled cases of child abuse, the elders have.." 
Did the GB and or it's Legal Departments  (for W/t and for JW Org)  refuse to hand over the documents in America. 
I believe they admitted having such documents which relate to twenty years worth of Child Abuse accusations.
Is it then true that the Legal dept of one (either W/t or JW Org) wrote a letter to the other asking for the documents, and the other Legal dept wrote back saying they would not hand them over. When in fact the GB rule over both and could have given orders for the documents to be handed over directly. 
That is why the courts became annoyed because the GB were deliberately wasting time. 
If all the info had been passed to police at the time each event happened, instead of storing it all up in 'secret' for twenty years, then the situation would never have taken place, and the lives of some people would not have been ruined because they would not have become victims of abuse.... 
To use the excuse of whether the Pedophiles were KNOWN PERPETRATORS, is very poor. Because it was just so easy to say that the victims didn't have two witnesses. 

ANNA says "WT has NEVER shielded or protected known perpetrators. The GB have not mishandled cases of child abuse, the elders have.." 
Did the GB and or it's Legal Departments  (for W/t and for JW Org)  refuse to hand over the documents in America. 
I believe they admitted having such documents which relate to twenty years worth of Child Abuse accusations.
Is it then true that the Legal dept of one (either W/t or JW Org) wrote a letter to the other asking for the documents, and the other Legal dept wrote back saying they would not hand them over. When in fact the GB rule over both and could have given orders for the documents to be handed over directly. 
That is why the courts became annoyed because the GB were deliberately wasting time. 
If all the info had been passed to police at the time each event happened, instead of storing it all up in 'secret' for twenty years, then the situation would never have taken place, and the lives of some people would not have been ruined because they would not have become victims of abuse.... 
To use the excuse of whether the Pedophiles were KNOWN PERPETRATORS, is very poor. Because it was just so easy to say that the victims didn't have two witnesses.