Patiently waiting for Truth

@Anna 'Sorry to disappoint you, but there are no elders running this forum.' You have proof positive ? You personally know the 'owners of this forum' ? They seem to be able to 'disfellowship' people from the forum that they don't want here. People disappear without trace it seems. I may be a newbe with comments, but not so with viewing/reading the forum. Caution told me to look before I jumped in.

@JW Insider I think here in the UK we would call that flannel (maybe spelt wrong) but it means using lots of words to say nothing, just to cover over something else. As you are one person that always seems to be 'on the button' then I'm presuming NOTHING NEW has been established since 1960. I would say even some of the core teachings have gone too. 7,000 year creative days, was a core teaching in the 60's / 70's I still don't know the truth about the prediction of 1975 Armageddon, but i do know that JW's sold their houses, left jobs, went full time ministry, for it.......... So it must have been a pretty serious teaching in it's time. God and Jesus Christ being the 'superior authorities' was a core teaching that affected all JWs in WW2. So, core teachings thrown away, and replaced with nothing, but JWs still think the GB are anointed and are the F&DS

If you haven't realised, it's a Smokescreen, to avoid the real TOPIC. Unfortunately, the JW Elders running this forum do not like certain subjects being mentioned. If it brings toooooo much disrespect on their beloved GB then it is either removed or sidetracked. Just my opinion of course. I do find it difficult to keep up with it all, But I don't remember my questions being answered about 'What is the worst outcome that can happen to the GB in these 'cases' ? What is likely to happen regarding American law and the GB ? There I think that brings it back on TOPIC

They were saying much the same in the 1970's. But you still are not answering my questions. I know JW's are living on a type of 'mana', just like the Israelites were in the wilderness, but the mana is being obscured by the GB adding pollutants

No you are wrong. The dogma / rules don't need to be looked for, they are forced on JW's, and constantly mentioned on here. But i don't see any replies to my original questions yet. BUT what important beliefs have we gained since 1960 ? What IMPORTANT SCRIPTURAL input have those at the top made since 1960 ? And I say the Org is stagnant. Hence it make up rubbish, such as the overlapping generations, as it goes bumbling along. Quote @Arauna " you are looking for the answers that can suit your agenda." Yes, as my Agenda is searching for TRUTH.

Do some of your guys spend your life on the web, going from blog to blog / forum to forum ? How many JW / Ex JW 'sites' are there ? I'd rather go for a long walk in the countryside and see what God has created, myself, but each to their own

The opposite of JW Elders would probably be True Christians.

Does it really matter who a person on here is ? Does it matter if a person uses 10 different 'usernames' ? If a person can bring some info' to the table that is surely good ? Then others can confirm or criticise that info. But to waffle on about who a person is or is not, what good is that doing any of us ? I have a theory that this Forum is run by JW Elders. The purpose of the forum being to study the feelings and actions of JW's, Ex-JW's, Apostates, et al. Then those Elders report their finding to a superior body, and it may even get to the GB. But this theory does me no good, nor anyone else, so I will keep it to myself . Coffee time.

@Arauna Quote " I think that things LOST are a better topic " But it isn't the topic. You would want it to be because as I've noticed you don't seem to have any things GAINED' The GB have lumped great weights onto the shoulders of the congregants and the GB nor Elders lift a finger to help. Just as the Pharisees did, adding negativity but nothing positive. What I'm showing is that the GB is not motivated by Holy Spirit, and is not moving the CCJW forward. It is stagnant, but wallowing in immorality.

And you think this Organisation has God's blessing. And you think Jesus Christ died for this ? And you think 'Only those in JW Org will be saved ? And yes, the GB said Apostate lies were behind the Child Sexual Abuse 'rumours'. And you and others wonder why some folks dislike the GB and it Org ? I honestly want to cry. How will God, through Christ, sort out this total mess ? How will Jesus be King of a Kingdom full of hypocrites ? And some say the end is nigh. Give it 10 years maybe. That way God and Christ will have hopefully built an earthly Organisation worthy of THEM.

This is a place where news and ideas are expressed, debated and information shared and as such ad hominem (personal) attacks or labels are not permitted. You are joking of course ? The forum would not exist or would stand silent if people stuck to this rule

I do hear occasionally on this forum, the expression of, (oh dear it's gone now), I'll say Basic beliefs, Foundation beliefs, of Jehovah's Witnesses. My point being, when were those basic foundations started ? Yes we have Russell and Rutherford et al. So who decided what was what and when ? We have things like 'hell fire' eternal damnation' ' soul in continual punishment' etc. But who basically found the truth from God's word about 'The dead are conscious of nothing at all' ? Then we have the 'resurrection of the dead', those being split into heavenly and earthly. Who decided these things from scriptures ? And when ? It would probably take me 10 years, which I probably do not have left, to research all the things I wish to know. So here is a question. From 1960, what new serious Bible knowledge do we have from those whom regard themselves as the F&DS or top of the tree ? What have they given to the congregation that is of extreme importance ? BUT, more importantly what have they given that they haven't changed since giving it ? So we've lost the 7,000 year creative days. We've lost Armageddon in 1975, We've lost no blood / replaced with blood fractions. We've lost the Superior Authorities as God and Christ, and probably lots more. BUT what important beliefs have we gained since 1960 ? What IMPORTANT SCRIPTURAL input have those at the top made since 1960 ?

I don't know you and I don't know the who's who of GB members over the years, but I do have a tendency to believe you. So i will now await others that have your knowledge, to weigh in with agreement or disagreement. Let battle commence

So much of what you say can be used against the JW Org. Some people accept what JW 's say in a so called Bible Study. I know for fact that here in the UK during a study JW's say things like 'If you don't understand that we will come back to it later, but just accept it for now'. (Yes I've sat in on bible studies). Brainwashing in JW Org "deprive students of critical thinking skills". Hence when some JW's do start to think, and start to study God's word personally, they tend to leave the Org.

So what is the step forward ? The world / system of things, is obviously getting worse, and the bible tells us of a coming Judgement time. So how will God's true Anointed move forward to claim their rightful position ? How will people of this world know who to trust ?

Oh dear, I thought YOU would be above all that rubbish. Defence mechanism is it ?

Quote " They don’t look in the rear view mirror too much. " Yes the two reasons the GB don't look in the rear view mirror too much are these. 1. They are frightened to see how much damage they have done to people. 2. Their guilt would overpower them and their conscience would make them step down.

Why ? Well I think scripture tells us to examine all things. And if we are 'spiritual' people we will examine the spiritual and the physical. CSA is just one item to look at. Shunning is another. Blood is another. Doctrine another. I am wishing for an Organisation through which I can serve God properly. I am neither for or against JW Org. Unfortunately whilst following this forum i have found out much that I am unhappy with about JW Org. Much that tells me that God and Christ cannot be happy with this Organisation. I have also noted that some JW's on here are totally blind to any faults in the Org, and i think that is why 'those in opposition' have to 'shout so loudly'. Regarding only the CSA, it is Earth wide in the Org, and will probably take years to 'sort out', hence it may be the ruination of the Org. The GB seem to be fighting it every step of the way, which makes them look even more guilty IMO. And here in UK there is talk of another investigation, this time by the I.I. C. S. A. I haven't heard any follow up on this though. But after enough disfellowshippings over such things, the rules had to be set in stone.) One has to wonder how many people were thrown to the wind, how many people were stumbled. How many may have become depressed, spiritually lost, or even committed suicide,

I think this brings us back to 'serving God as ruler rather than men'. I would also think it should be possible to make known the name of a pedophile without naming the victims. And I think it is just an excuse for the GB / JW Org. To 'look after 'widows and orphans', to look after all children, the names and locations of all pedophiles should be made known, not only internally but to the world. Arauna says, we cannot know the minds of such ones. That they are Satanic. I say, that all pedophiles should carry their burden continuously in this old system of things. Of course they should be allowed into Kingdom Halls, and allowed to study God's word, but only on the understanding that they are known to all. Unless of course you want the GB and JW Org in deeper trouble.

Quote @Arauna I disagree with the assumption that we can understand the mind of these children rapists ..... they are so Satanistic.... we cannot imagine the lengths these people will go to and how far beyond a conscience they are..... and they are amongst us ..... and sometimes they pretend to be our moral leaders in society. Yes, and they are in the JW Org............... and YOU say 'we cannot understand the mind of these child rapists'.... So how can the Elders hide them in the JW Org, and how can the Elders say that these rapists are repentant ? Remember YOU said we cannot understand the mind of these children rapists. They are so Satanistic... So get real, wake up, and stop looking for excuses in the outside Devil's world. Remember scripture, Don't tell your brother he has a straw in his eye, when you have a rafter in yours. = JW Org, Don't say how wicked the outside world is when the inside of JW Org is just as wicked. Someone must vote in your GB members, and it sure enough cannot be God or Jesus Christ because they would make better choices..... Someone must vote in the Elders, and I don't think it has anything to do with holy spirit because we can see how wicked many elders have been and still are.... So your Org must have some sort of voting system, which of course they pretend involves Christ.

There is so much in that comment that, if it's all true (and I do believe it) , tells me the GB are not the F&DS AND tells me they areote not even of the Anointed. And again this threat of being disfellowshippped, which many JW's deny. Quote "It's quite possible you are right about the current eight old men who may have never personally touched a child (in an abusive way). It's my impression that they are also quite innocent of any such issues. " So do pedophiles go around wearing a badge so that you can recognise them ? One of the main problems IS that they are not recognisable from 'nice' people. They keep it so well hidden obviously or they would be noticed immediately. Quote "But I don't think you can ever say that anyone in such a position as in the GB cannot comprehend such wickedness in others. They have dealt with a lot in their lives and they have been forced to deal with the topic even if they didn't want to " The child sexual abuse accusations in Australia has been going on for well over 50 years. That much was proved in the ARC. So anyone of the GB within that time should have been well aware of the CSA in the Org. Do we yet know how long CSA has been going on in USA ? GB members that don't want to talk to each other. And now, GB members that don't want the Anointed around the earth to speak to each other. Please tell me where is 'the love for one another' and the 'everyone working together to serve God properly', that the JW Org pretends to have ?

You are copying Arauna. You are doubling backwards to compare the GB and it's Org to the world which belongs to the Devil. You should be comparing the GB and the Org to God's standards. Back in the times of Israel the surrounding nations were offering their children in the fire to Molech. (This has been mentioned by people on here before.) Then it seems the Israelites also started offering their children in the fire to Molech. How did God feel about that ? Did God say, 'Oh well the Israelites are not burning as many children as the other nations so it doesn't matter ' No I think not. God judged His people on His standards. Quote from w84 10/1 pp. 14-19 Remain “Without Spot From the World” “The form of worship that is clean and undefiled from the standpoint of our God and Father is this: to look after orphans and widows in their tribulation, and to keep oneself without spot from the world.”—JAMES 1:27. 2 “The form of worship that is clean and undefiled from the standpoint of our God and Father is this,” wrote the disciple James, “to look after orphans and widows in their tribulation, and to keep oneself without spot from the world.” Another rendition is: “Pure, unspoilt religion, in the eyes of God our Father is this: coming to the help of orphans and widows when they need it, and keeping oneself uncontaminated by the world.”—James 1:27, The Jerusalem Bible. I quote you "Since the GB stay away from world influence, I don’t see where they think the same as the world." The GB deliberately tell lies, and they use dishonest lawyers in courts. They jump ahead of any spiritual guidance from God or Christ and make stupid statements such as the 'overlapping generations'. the two witness rule concerning child sexual abuse, a rule concerning accusing adults of different sexes of committing fornication if they happen to be in the same house overnight, funnily enough it doesn't apply to adults of the same sex, bit behind the times there.. Telling the anointed not to think about contacting each other around the earth (when we know the anointed are the Body of Christ)... And don't even think about mentioning some of the stupid videos they make... And now a court appearance it seems. Well they do seem to like being in front of the camera. As for you commenting and being blunt. Do it. As long as you are not abusive and not too insulting to people ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These comments were auto merged Did i ever get a reply as to what will actually happen in these court cases ? Are the GB members liable to get fined ? Is there a possibility of a prison sentence for each one ? Looking back when the GB were playing games between the CCJW and WT Soc, basically sending letters to them selves, and the courts were not too happy about the wasted time etc. Fines imposed but then scrapped. So i would think the GB are not in favour with any of the courts. But things drag out so long so probs no result until next summer.

Well at least in Russia they can honestly say it is religious persecution. Unlike in America and other countries where it is about the CSA. and the shunning policies.

I beginning to understand why the GB are sick. They are mostly American. Maybe that is why i cannot get any sense here.

BUT the GB and JW Org are supposed to be 'No part of that world' And are supposed to keep themselves 'Without spot from the world' So why you and others are comparing the GB and it's Org to the world all the time, makes no sense. Add to that, that JW's WERE TOLD NOT TO REPORT TO THE POLICE OR OUTSIDE AUTHORITIES. The excuse used being that it would bring shame on Jehovah. Add to that THE TWO WITNESS RULE which encouraged Elders to call Victims liars. Add to that the Shunning which JW Victims were frightened of. Now you just might open your eyes and see why the GB / Elders / JW Org are SO guilty.