Witness

This is the promise: “But as it is, Christ has been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. 21 For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead also comes through a man. 22 For just as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive. 23 But each in his own order: Christ, the firstfruits; (144,000) afterward, at his coming, those who belong to Christ. – “Those who belong to Christ” are the “remaining ones of the woman’s seed” who were victorious over the Beast and its lies, by giving their testimony to truth. (Rev 12:17; 15:2; 12:11) The Beast of Rev 13:1 “killed” them, yet they were given “life”/spirit by God and continued to fight against lies. (Rev 11:3,7,15; 11: 11-13) These faithful anointed “remaining ones”, are last “living stones” that will be added to spiritual Temple of God. They then join the “144,000” – their brothers in Christ. This completes the collective “Bride”. (Zech 4:6,11-14; Rev 11:1-4; Jer 23:29) THEY are the “great crowd” that comes out of the Great Tribulation and serve God in His Temple, as the scriptures in Rev 7:9-17 show us. 24 Then comes the end, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father, when he abolishes all rule and all authority and power. 25 For he (Jesus) must reign until he puts all his enemies under his feet. (Ps 110:1,2) This is war of truth against lies as Joe talks about in his comments above. But then, 26 “The last enemy to be abolished is death”. Which means Satan’s kingdom in all aspects, will be abolished. All, are judged according to their heart condition. 27 For God has put everything under his feet. Now when it says “everything” is put under him, it is obvious that he who puts everything under him is the exception. 28 When everything is subject to Christ, then the Son himself will also be subject to the one who subjected everything to him, so that God may be all in all. Dan 7 speaks of the lying Beast of Rev 13:1,2, and how it “tramples” the holy ones. This Beast took “captive” the anointed over the last 150 years. (Matt 24:24,25; Col 2:8; Rev 13:10; 16:13-16) Rev 16:13-16 speaks of the “demonic expressions” coming from the false prophet who directs this Beast. (1 Tim 4:1) Dan 7:25 - “He will speak words against the Most High and oppressthe holy ones of the Most High. He will intend to change religious festivals and laws, and the holy ones will be handed over to him for a time, times, and half a time. Rev 13:5-7 - The beast was given a mouth to utter boasts and blasphemies. It was allowed to exercise authority for forty-two months. 6 It began to speak blasphemies against God: to blaspheme his name and his dwelling—those who dwell in heaven. 7 And it was permitted to wage war against the saints and to conquer them. It was also given authority over every tribe, people, language, and nation. I have yet to hear a JW on this forum comment on the “war” against God’s saints by the Beast. Rev 13:1,2. They will say that “Gog” will come against God’s people as a coalition of nations, but not this Beast that they have another name for – which is the same as Gog and Magog, AND the MAN OF LAWLESSNESS that “sits” in the Temple of God. (Rev 13:18; 2 Thess 2:1-4; Rev 11:1-3) We are already aware it is the holy ones who are oppressed in the organization; trampled down by the representatives of the holy priesthood - the living stones of God’s Temple. 1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16 Dan 7 tells us the outcome. But the court will convene, and his dominion will be taken away, to be completely destroyed forever. 27 The kingdom, dominion, and greatness of the kingdoms under all of heaven will be given to the people, the holy ones of the Most High. His kingdom will be an everlasting kingdom, and all rulers will serve and obey him.’ Dan 7:26,27 A “new heavens” and “new earth” is a solid promise that we have – they are the righteous “heavens” and the righteous “earth” – they are the anointed and people from all nations that will serve God in His Kingdom, on a cleansed earth. Rev 21:1-5 For evildoers shall be cut off; But those who wait on the Lord, They shall inherit the earth. 10 For yet a little while and the wicked shall be no more; Indeed, you will look carefully for his place, But it shall be no more. 11 But the meek shall inherit the earth, And shall delight themselves in the abundance of peace. Ps 37:9-11 Those "ruining the earth" will be gone. Satan, as the Destroyer, will cause the havoc and destruction. (John 10:7-10) I have hope in the God who reads our hearts, that He will judge in righteousness, each individual fairly. He can undo all damage that man has caused. But to His people, He gives a warning, and to those with them, which is being sounded now. Their judgment is a different matter. (Rev 18:4-8: 14:6-13)

I'm sharing this comment made elsewhere by "Joseph". The truth divides (Hebrews 4:12). The truth divides people who hate it, because it exposes their lies from those who are strong enough to embrace it. It divides the cowards, the hypocrites, the idolaters and all the liars who fear it (Rev 21:8), from those powerful enough to take it on the chin and be corrected by it (Romans 15:4; 2 Timothy 2:25), like the apostle Paul (Acts 9:4; Acts 22:17-21; Acts 23:11). Those who hate the truth hate those who speak it (Amos 5:10; Luke 21:17). Why? Because it exposes their lies. It takes away their power. Those who love truth know there will be severe consequences for speaking it, but they will not stop, because they love truth (John 8:32). They’ll lose family, friends, jobs, places to live, they’ll even go to the point of losing their own personal lives for it (Mark 8:35; Revelation 12:11). Jesus set the pattern to give our lives for the truth (Luke 9:23-27; Acts 14:22). Despite the pain, adversity, opposition, persecution, and pure hate, he didn’t stop. He went up against the religious leaders (Matthew 26:57-68), the apostles didn’t stop despite opposition from the religious leaders (Acts 4:20), and we will not stop speaking of what is to come (Isaiah 13:6-9; Matthew 16:24). Contrary to physical understanding, this “division”, this testimony of truth, this is Armageddon. It is a dividing of hearts who love truth that will be completely divided from the hearts who love lies (Joel 3:14; Revelation 16:14-16; 2 Thessalonians 2:10-11). A testimony given of truth, as simple as you must obey God as ruler rather than men (Acts 5:29), will not be accepted when you're brought before the elders (Matthew 10:18; John 3:11). It certainly will not be an easy message to relay (John 3:19; Acts 7:51-54), especially because they will not accept anything but unquestioning obedience to them (the elder body 2 Thessalonians 2:4), and their governing rulers (Revelation 17:1; Jeremiah 51:13; Revelation 19:2). You will be disfellowshipped. But this testimony is exactly how Satan and his agents are defeated, because you will not submit to their demonic lies; instead you will expose them (Eph 5:11). “And they have defeated him by the blood of the Lamb and by their testimony. And they did not love their lives so much that they were afraid to die (John 16:2; Hebrews 2:14-15).” - Revelation 12:11 But we will follow Jesus’ example no matter how hard it gets (John 12:26; John 10:27; Romans 8:31; Numbers 14:9). This includes persecution and hate from JW’s. “Remember what I told you: ‘A servant is not greater than his master.’ If they persecuted me, they will persecute you also. If they obeyed my teaching, they will obey yours also.” John 15:20 This is it, stand firm, you have to make a choice. It’s either the Harlot-led Watchtower, or God and His Son, Jesus. This is the final witness. “the prophets prophesy falsely, and the priests rule at their direction; my people love to have it so, but what will YOU DO when the end comes?” Jeremiah 5:31 Armageddon

Maybe, it's because he support an "institution" that does the same? And you support it also, every JW (unless they are waking up) supports it. Disfellowshipping is a spiritual killing. If one disagrees with the GB's teachings, if one will not accept a supposed spirit-breathed "beast" of an organization that requires devotion (which is not condoned but rather warned of in scripture as idolatry), they are condemned - killed off, through disfellowshipping. If one speaks against lies while bearing truth; for certain, they will be disfellowshipped. No rival to the power of the GB and the power of the elders can be challenged. Rev 13:15 - It (the false prophet Rev 13:11) was permitted to give breath[l]("spirit") to the image of the beast, so that the image of the beast could both speak and cause whoever would not worship the image of the beast to be killed. A "spirit-directed organization" from the living God? Is this why A. Morris believes he can get away with passing "decrees" from "Jehovah's organization" and they must be followed? Notice who permitted the false prophet to breathe spirit into the "image of the Beast"? Satan the dragon. (Rev 13:11) 1 Tim 4:1 - "Now the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will depart from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and the teachings of demons". Who pays attention to the teachings of demons? Matt 24:24,25 There is only ONE "spirit-directed" avenue of decrees, experiences, events and warnings from God: "All Scripture is inspired by God[a] ("breathed out by God") and is profitable for teaching, for rebuking, for correcting, for training in righteousness, 17 so that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work." 2 Tim 3:16 Who came up with the term, "spirit-directed organization"? It wasn't God, but deceitful leaders of that very organization that "kills", and who were permitted to do so by Satan.

This is what Jesus said, "When they persecute you in one town, flee to another. For truly I tell you, you will not have gone through the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes." Matt 10:23 Who is Israel today? Where is "Israel" today? Who needs to "get out of her MY PEOPLE?" (Rev 18:4-8) What "kingdom" should be getting the "good news" of restoration, (Mal 3:1-3; Matt 17:11) at the time of the Great Tribulation"? "Israel" - the "kings of the earth" - the ANOINTED PRIESTHOOD - God's chosen holy people. (Isa 43:10-12,22-28; Rev 1:5)

An appalling, horrible thing has taken place in the land. 31 The prophets prophesy falsely, and the priests rule by their own authority. My people love it like this. But what will you do at the end of it? Jer 5:30,31 How many decrees has the GB set, explaining that they come from God, but are not decrees found in His word? It is not possible for these uninspired men to receive direct information from God or through a "spirit-directed organization" on earth, which doesn't exist unless it is demon-inspired. (1 Tim 4:1; Rev 13:15) Any decrees that they establish, whether it be turning in time on a piece of paper, setting goals of hours in "field service", encouraging the reaching out for a status position, revering a building as belonging to God...all come from the mouths of prophets prophesying falsely, and counterfeit "priests" ruling by their own authority.

What on earth have you been drinking?

Now come on, Allen. By the way, thank you for your condolences. I think you are the one in conflict with your thoughts. Jesus is the Son of man and the Son of God. So, do you realize what you are saying, that not only should an anointed woman, or any woman, be submissive to the Son of Man, which is correct, but all fleshly men who claim to be “spiritual” – like the Preacher? Do you realize that you have put Jesus Christ on par with fleshly men?

Allen sir, I cannot be submissive to an earthly husband I no longer have. Christ only, is my spiritual head, even when my husband was alive. He never was my spiritual head, only my fleshly head. But we worked together equally, with equal respect for one another. "Headship" should be based on love, just as the scriptures in Ephesians 5:22-29 indicate.

If you believe this organization is "spirit-directed", then the Spirit of God would gather the anointed together under Jesus Christ. Since the anointed know "truth", it seems that every effort would be made to look to them as a collective body for spiritual understanding of scriptures, instead of to those who "represent the royal priesthood". "But the anointing which you have received from Him abides in you, and you do not need that anyone teach you; but as the same anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true, and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you will abide in Him." 1 John 2:27

A couple people here have been speaking about "church". SM has the opinion (well, he calls it "fact"), that within that church, women must be under the headship of men. I am now a widow, am I under the spiritual headship of a Christian man? "Now I praise you because you remember me in everything, and hold fast to the traditions just as I delivered them to you. But I want you to know that Christ is the head of every man, and the man is the head of the woman, and God is the head of Christ." 1 Cor 11:2,3 Is that the Jewish tradition that he’s speak of? Should we uphold a Jewish tradition? As I’ve mentioned before, Paul was making transitions from the Jewish traditions, to truth in Jesus Christ. He then does this a few scriptures down, when speaking about head covering for women, by saying - Judge for yourselves, Is it proper for a woman to pray to God with her head uncovered? 14 Does not even nature itself teach you that if a man has long hair it is a disgrace to him, 15 but that if a woman has long hair, it is her glory? For her hair is given to her as a covering. 16 If anyone wants to argue about this, we have no other custom, nor do the churches of God. 1 Cor 11 Who’s keeping the old tradition about head covering , but JWs! Paul is saying that women do not need an additional covering when praying. How is man the head of the woman? In Ephesians 5, Paul explains two marriages, one is earthly, and the other, heavenly. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives are to submit to their husbands in everything. 25 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself for her 26 to make her holy, cleansing her with the washing of water by the word. 27 He did this to present the church to himself in splendor, without spot or wrinkle or anything like that, but holy and blameless. 28 In the same way, husbands are to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. 29 For no one ever hates his own flesh but provides and cares for it, just as Christ does for the church, 30 since we are members of his body. This spiritual church is the Bride of Christ. Rev 21:9. “These are the ones who have not defiled themselves with women, since they remained virgins. These are the ones who follow the Lamb wherever he goes. They were redeemed from humanity as the firstfruits for God and the Lamb. 5 No lie was found in their mouths; they are blameless.” Rev 14:4,5 JWs have decided that women are under a spiritual head, not only that of their husband, but also of elders. That’s not what the scriptures say. There is a distinction between a man’s “headship” over his earthly wife, and Christ’s “headship” over his Bride. In the Body, the church under Jesus Christ, all are one, all are equal. And it should be that way in a congregation, anointed or not. There is no distinction between male or female in the Body; thus, an anointed woman can teach, and “lead” by teaching truth under her Head, Jesus Christ, if the Spirit directs them to do so. All Christian women have one spiritual Head. Does she appear with a man on judgment day, who speaks on her behalf? Ludicrous. No man, not her husband and no elder, can step in and take over that role, and tell women that they must spiritually submit to men. The scriptures indicate that even though her earthly husband is her earthly head, it is a relationship based on equality and love; which is to mirror the relationship Jesus has with his Bride.

Nothing is impossible with God.

Cracks of the armor? You don't make sense. I posted the link to the blog page on purpose. It hasn't been hidden, in fact it's been open for anyone and all to read, for a long while. You know, there is a scripture that perhaps you have read, but just as a reminder, sir - "Pride comes before destruction, and an arrogant spirit before a fall." Prov 16:18 I have never, ever had contact with such an arrogant individual who feels he sits on top of the world and knows ALL about everything and everyone, as well as their relationship with God and Jesus Christ. When the GB are dismissed by a coalition of elders and other anointed "ten kings" with them - when these men are most likely disfellowshipped, raked through the coals with sins exposed, then any JW who has heard of this from a woman named Pearl, will know that a prophet was among them and gave the warning that it would happen. (Ezek 2:3-7) The organization will last only one symbolic "hour" after that, before it too, will fall. (Rev 17:12-18; 18:4-8)

Are you expecting a person to predict something totally out of the realm of prophesy already established in the scriptures? Like…a prediction that money will fall from heaven on a certain date and it happens? Is that the type of prophesy you’re thinking of? 🙂 It sounds like the work of sorcery, of “lying signs and wonders”, just as 1914 was. (2 Thess 2:9; Matt 24:23-25; 1 Tim 4:1; Col 2:8) God talks about this in Deut 13:1-5. It says, God “tests” His people. He allows the test, which originates with the devil. (Luke 22:31) Where did God’s saints, the remnant, end up over the last 150 years? In the Watchtower organization that has become their idol. No JW that is fully devoted to it, can tear themselves away and follow only, the Father and the Son as warned about in the Deuteronomy 13. (Rev 13:4-8) John the Baptist preached repentance and to “prepare the way” for the coming of the Messiah. The last prophet bears a similar message as John the Baptist/”Elijah”, for God’s holy people to “prepare the way” for the return of Christ. (Isa 42:16; Mark 1:3; Matt 17:11,12; Rev 11:1-3)

Prophecies issued today and fulfilled? Major prophets appeared to God’s people to warn them of their sins, and to repent before their destruction. From the beginning, God outlined the necessary obedience to His laws. He also explained what would happen if they were disobedient. When they strayed from Him, a prophet was sent to get them back on track and to warn them of impending destruction. In Daniel’s case, his visions concerned more than one time period, one being the last days that concerns us; as were John’s, who received a different picture of the same last “fourth beast”. A prophet is sent to give the meaning, the identity, of the last two Beasts. The GB act as prophets giving their depiction of who these Beasts represent. They are not inspired, but just recently they have shed some confusing “new light” on Revelation’s Beast from the Sea. https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/revelation-13-beast/ It will not matter that they are not inspired to shed accurate understanding, they will be listened to, and jw . org will become more of a cesspool of confusion than it already is. Jesus Christ opens Revelation’s scrolls in the end time, and shares this information with a messenger/"angel" – a prophet. (Rev 5:2-4; 10:1-3,5-7) That person gives us the true identity of the last Beasts to come against God’s people, because of their sins and idolatry. This prophet and those with her, are messengers declaring the need for God’s people to repent and flee from the two Beasts of Rev. 13. (Rev 14:6-12) That is what “Revelation” is all about, the “revealing” of the understanding of the last days, through a prophet that God sends. I find it interesting that one would mock such a thought, that God would choose a nobody, let alone a woman, to work with Jesus Christ in helping us understand why the great tribulation and Armageddon involve God’s holy people. But when has the majority of God’s people really listened to any prophet He has sent? Yes, they mock the idea; while at the same time tolerating repetitive lies by eight men, even revere them, as they dress in suits and stand in their expensive broadcasting center, lavishing fake love on eight million people. This woman asks for nothing, but to receive the message, which is no different than any prophet sent to God's people. The organization and its leadership milk their listeners for whatever they can get out of them, monetarily, emotionally and physically. It should be clear, but it’s not, that Jesus who didn’t have a place to lay his head, would not choose the Watchtower and its corrupt leadership, to reveal the understanding of the last days. Have they gotten it right yet? 2 Thess 2 - Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers and sisters, 2 not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by the teaching allegedly from us—whether by a prophecy or by word of mouth or by letter—asserting that the day of the Lord has already come. Who has prophesied that the “day of the Lord” has already come, in fact in the year 1914? Who has asserted at times, that they are on par with the apostles? 3 Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, What is the rebellion? Well, who has replaced the royal priesthood which is not scriptural? (Num 18:5-7; Ezek 44:6-9) Who can’t be challenged because of this decision? the man doomed to destruction. 4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God. What is God’s Temple? – 1 Pet 2:5,9,10; 1 Cor 3:16,17; Eph 2:20-22 The elders are the man of lawlessness. The man of lawlessness/organization is the Wild Beast of Revelation. Matt 24:15,16; Rev 13:1,2,5-7,18. This is a prophesy fulfilled and interpreted through the Holy Spirit, which inspired a prophet to voice it. What will happen if one doesn’t listen? “The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with how Satan works. He will use all sorts of displays of power through signs and wonders that serve the lie, 10 and all the ways that wickedness deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. 11 For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie 12 and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.” This chapter begins by showing us that 1914, claiming to be the "day of the Lord" is a lie. It is a delusional teaching, but people love it, they love the wickedness. They don't want to give it up since the core existence of the Watchtower organization is based on this lie. (Dan 9:4-11) Revelation 18:4-8 is a warning to God’s people as well. This is a prophet's vision

No. Paul did not say that prophesy had ceased, and I'm talking about inspired prophesy. @Patiently waiting for Truth is right, you are misleading a young one; one that should come out of the organization. (Matt 24:15,16; Rev 18:4-8) "Love never fails. But whether there are prophecies, they will fail; whether there are tongues, they will cease; whether there is knowledge, it will vanish away. 9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part. But when that which is [d]perfect has come, then that which is in part will be done away. "perfect" - meaning "complete", this will not happen until Jesus returns. Until the kingdom, prophesy, and knowledge continue. If you say that prophesy has ceased, then you may as well say that knowledge has ceased. Nowhere in the scriptures did the apostles say that prophesy would cease before all is "complete".

I agree.

The apostles were persecuted because they were true, obedient followers of the teachings of Jesus Christ, and not to the doctrine of men. Why would you say it's meaningless? All who choose to obey Jesus, will be persecuted, they must expect trials and persecution. With exJWs, it is through disfellowshipping, loss of family, and deemed as spiritually dead. Luke 12:53; Matt 5:43-45; 2 Cor 4:7-10;James 1:2-4; John 16:2; Rev 13:15 If the GB are truly followers of Jesus Christ, how are they persecuted? They control everyone and everything within in their power. They make sure to silence individuals who speak against them. Those that are persecuted for rejecting THEM and their false doctrine, control no one.

I know nothing about the Unitarian Church only a little from your posts that I may have read, or about your "Biblical" Unitarianism. I am asking "Somehow, you have decided you are a Preacher by perhaps your own labeling; or, did others give you that label?" You are a man who loves labeling people, and beliefs. So where did your label derive from?

Yes, Deborah was a judge over Israel. The anointed, both male and female are the priesthood of “Israel”. They are the “saints” that Paul spoke of here: “Or do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if the world is to be judged by you, are you incompetent to try trivial cases?” 1 Cor 6:2 Now, there is no segregation between what “saints” will judge the world. Are they men, or women, or both? It is very apt that God chose Deborah as a judge, so that keen, spiritual individuals can realize that women play a significant role in God’s priesthood – “ministers” yes, but also as prophets and teachers and judges. (Eph 2:20-22) So Peter opened his mouth and said: “Truly I understand that God shows no partiality, 35 but in every nation anyone who fears him and does what is right is acceptable to him.” Acts 20:34,35 Only men, have drawn the line on a woman’s role in God’s priesthood; so far as transforming them into men through Wt's pictorial of what "heaven" and the "144,000" will look like. Gal 3:28 (written by Paul) – “There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.” The anointed are the spiritual "religious office", if that term must be used. They have already been designated to care for God's sheep. The foundation of this temple in Christ began with anointed, and continued to grow by faithful anointed being added. (1 Pet 2:5,9; Rev 5:9,10) Men, like yourself, have fabricated a different "body", built with uninspired men; which also has aided the development of the Wt. As I have said, all anointed are inspired at their anointing, for a purpose. THEY are the chosen, to serve all believers in Christ, and teach them God's laws. in Christ. (Mal 2:7; Heb 8:10) Men, have built their authoritative power by eliminating God's choice, not only in anointed men; but also in anointed women. That is where the elder body has become the "man of lawlessness". 2 Thess 2:1-4

This is "refuted" according to your view of the scriptures, which is elementary, not spiritual. Your word is not "law". It sounds to me like you have either misunderstood, or twisted someone's words deliberately. The teaching of Christ was accursed when he walked the earth. Anyone who walks in his footsteps, any anointed chosen to serve only he and the Father, will also be considered by the majority of their people, as "accursed", which is being repeated in the organization where God's anointed are held "captive" to its lies. (Luke 4:24; Matt 24:24,25; Col 2:8) To its leaders who are false teachers, Jesus' words aptly fit: “But woe to you who are rich, for you have received your consolation. 25 “Woe to you who are full now, for you shall be hungry. “Woe to you who laugh now, for you shall mourn and weep. 26 “Woe to you, when all people speak well of you, for so their fathers did to the false prophets." Luke 6:24-26 You never commented on how you became known or elected as a "Preacher".

Just so you know up front, I don't read all that you write, but certain things pop out such as the above. Two people can look at the same scene with two different perspectives. Jesus’ perspective was heavenly, spiritual, inspired. He was preparing a people to also be heavenly, spiritual, and inspired. The Pharisees rejected this spiritual perspective, and instead held onto and loved their corrupted element of rule over others. The term “religious office” is elementary, based on today’s works in the world of men. What was once the concept of seeing “religion” in the spiritual realm with blessings reaching humans on the created earth, has been corrupted to “fit” the desires of men, who assign each other with created label to hold created “offices”. These have nothing to do with the gifts of the Spirit. Men, like elders not anointed have robbed the concept of Christ’s gifts given to his spiritual anointed body, and changed them to fit their earthly needs, to fit themselves, and an organization. (Eph 4:4-16) They are applying what they chose from the teachings of Jesus and the apostles, to help run their debased organization. “The whole world lies in the power of the wicked one”, but men use this power to create a demanding “religion” of authority over others. The apostles did not teach “organization” according to the elementary concepts of men. They were moved by the Holy Spirit to teach and to be guided by it, but never to manipulate their spiritual understanding, by lording it over others. If there were leaders, they were leaders in spiritual knowledge. Anyone who desires to know the truth, would value another’s truthful knowledge. “Rulership” under Jesus Christ is unfathomable in this world of hate and desire to control others. This ruler is the enemy of Christ, so why would Christ condone established religion in the rulers’ realm? (John 8:36) His “rule” is based on love. There would be no room for abuse, lies, failed doctrine, victims suffering at the hands of evil rulers, or the concept that religion must be built with money and riches of all sorts. (Matt 19:21) What we see developed by men and their preferable religious beliefs, is called centralized religious authority. Jesus dissolved the earthly, and set up the spiritual. (John 2:19-22) But men have either rejected it, or chose what they like from his teachings, to create their elemental concept of centralized religion. I meet with anointed and those not anointed. We understand that love is not regulated by men, and that there is no power over us except that of the Father and Jesus Christ. We treat each other equally, men and women together. But we also realize that among us are those who have been blessed with spiritual insight, those who have received valuable knowledge through the inspiration of Holy Spirit. And more than one, happen to be women. We listen to their understanding; yet, we listen also to each other, learning from our individual experiences, and all grow together in spirit. We take note of the anointed gifts Jesus has given certain individuals, but we do not kowtow to the person, simply because of the gift. For a man who does not claim to be joined to one established, concrete religion, but uses the term “religious office”, tells me you are under the influence of the world of established religion. Somehow, you have decided you are a Preacher by perhaps your own labeling; or, did others give you that label? But how could they, if you are not part of an earthly organized church? Nonetheless, dear SM, your concept of religion under Jesus Christ, is not according to the spirit of God, but of the world. The two, cannot be mixed. Luke 22:24-27; John 4:21-24; 1 Cor 2:12; 1:26-31; Gal 4:3; Col 3:2;Phil 3:17-19 Did the apostles really rule over the earthly concept of organization? Not according to Paul: Yet among the mature we do impart wisdom, although it is not a wisdom of this age or of the rulers of this age, who are doomed to pass away. 7 But we impart a secret and hidden wisdom of God, which God decreed before the ages for our glory. 8 None of the rulers of this age understood this, for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. 9 But, as it is written, “What no eye has seen, nor ear heard, nor the heart of man imagined, what God has prepared for those who love him”— 10 these things God has revealed to us through the Spirit. For the Spirit searches everything, even the depths of God. 11 For who knows a person's thoughts except the spirit of that person, which is in him? So also no one comprehends the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. 12 Now we have received not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might understand the things freely given us by God. 13 And we impart this in words not taught by human wisdom but taught by the Spirit, interpreting spiritual truths to those who are spiritual. 14 The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned. 15 The spiritual person judges all things, but is himself to be judged by no one. 16 “For who has understood the mind of the Lord so as to instruct him?” But we have the mind of Christ. 1 Cor 2 If a woman is a teacher or an inspired prophet from God, who are you to judge prematurely, especially since your mind is on "earthly things"? You will know them by their "fruits". Matt 7:15-20

Yes, the anointed. The apparition of Moses and Elijah signify the "two witness" call to God's anointed, (Rev 11:1-3) and actually those with them, in the last days. Moses led God's people out of captivity. Elijah called for repentance. In the last days, both "calls" are necessary to proclaim. Dmitar, the priesthood (1 Pet 2:5,9) has been usurped by an elder body - a strong army that cannot be questioned. Can you explain any time in the scriptures where God has allowed those not anointed to represent His priesthood? This is why the messenger of Mal 3:1-4; Matt 17:11, is sent to His anointed priests. It is a spiritual restoration work of the spiritual Temple "living stones" of God.

This is not a reincarnation idea. I'm sorry that you cannot see why Jesus called John the Baptist "Elijah". I am sorry that you cannot see that another prophet calls for God's anointed priesthood/Temple "living stones" and dwelling of God, to repent, a prophet sent in the manner of "Elijah". It is written in (Matt 17:11; Mal 3:1-4; 4:5,6) Although they have dropped it, even the Wt. at one time called its people the "Elijah class", the very people who are to listen the prophet's call. (Rev 11:1-3;18:4-8;14:6-12) That would be you, confusing your Johns.

Jesus answered and said to them, “Indeed, Elijah is coming first and will restore all things. 12 But I say to you that Elijah has come already, and they did not know him but did to him whatever they wished. Likewise the Son of Man is also about to suffer at their hands.” 13 Then the disciples understood that He spoke to them of John the Baptist. John came in the manner of Elijah, by declaring the need for God's people to repent. That is why Jesus called him "Elijah". The last "Elijah", based on one "witness" that was seen with Jesus, also declares the need for God's anointed people to repent. Moses appeared with Jesus, signifying the need for God's people to leave captivity. Rev 13:1,2,5-7,10; Col 2:8; 1 Tim 4:1; Rev 18:4-8. The symbolic "two witnesses" of Rev 11:3, preach in sackcloth because of the state God's people are in - that of captivity and sin.

The last prophet is spoken of in Matt 17:11, which Jesus spoke about after the visionary event on the holy mountain with his three disciples. Moses and Elijah were seen in vision, with Jesus. He then tells his disciples that "Elijah" would come and "restore everything". This is clarified in Mal 3:1-4; 4:4-6; Rev 11:1-3. That being "restored", is the Temple/dwelling in the hearts of the anointed "living stones". 1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17. They are found in the Watchtower under the "iron" fist of the elder body and a wicked slave. (Matt 24:48-51)