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Not a screenshot, just quoting your comment.

Do you see how this happened...again? It was in your quote entitled, On a related note, from America’s greatest religious news source: Whatever was attributed to your comment, became owned by you when someone else quotes your comment. It happens that way. I am sure that @Patiently waiting for Truth was aware that they were not your own words, but perhaps condoned by you.

“You are blessed when they insult you and persecute you and falsely say every kind of evil against you because of me." Matt 5:11

Does God take truth lightly? This is what the Lord of Armies says: “Do not listen to the words of the prophets who prophesy to you. They are deluding you. They speak visions from their own minds, not from the Lord’s mouth." Jer 23:16 Does God ever change? Does what He said yesterday about truth, and about those who claim to speak for Him - do His words hold no more authority today concerning the ample untruths taught in your organization? I did not send out these prophets, yet they ran. I did not speak to them, yet they prophesied. 22 If they had really stood in my council, they would have enabled my people to hear my words and would have turned them from their evil ways and their evil deeds. Jer 23:21,22 So, Wt. excuses will continue. The leaders will try desperately to gain the trust of all JWs by saying "God trusts the slave, so shouldn't you trust the slave as well?" These are not exaggerated issues. God and Jesus expect us to decide, to perceive, to distinguish between truth in His word, and the lies of men. One leads to life, the other, to death.

You have dismissed the power of God, the power Jesus Christ and the power of the Holy Spirit, by lumping the organization’s errors on “imperfect people”. To his disciples: “Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. Which of you, if his son asks for bread, will give him a stone? Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a snake? 11 So if you who are evil know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give good things to those who ask Him!” Check your list of changed doctrine. Was any of it provided by Jesus Christ? Can it be compared to bread, or to a stone? To fish, or to a snake? So He said to the Jews who had believed Him, “If you continue in My word, you are truly My disciples. 32Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.” All JWs were and are, chained to false teachings, because your leaders did not, and do not, ask Jesus for knowledge. They did not “continue” in his word in order to be blessed with truth. Their word has become much more important than the words of Jesus Christ. "But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and remind you of everything I have told you." John 14:26 Nothing on the list of Beliefs Clarified was truth. You must admit that according to his words, Jesus didn't have a hand in your leadership's understanding. It is list of myths; all of it, is the “doctrine of men”. The scriptures give clear proof that God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit did not provide any of it. You should wonder if God approves of men's doctrine superseding the doctrine of His Son, Jesus Christ. “ For a time is coming when people will no longer listen to sound and wholesome teaching. They will follow their own desires and will look for teachers who will tell them whatever their itching ears want to hear. 4 They will reject the truth and chase after myths.” 2 Tim 4:2-4 What are JWs chasing after now? What apparent “truth” are they looking forward to seeing fulfilled? And why do they get so excited when new doctrine takes the place of old? They look for teachers who will tell them whatever their itching ears want to hear.

No, the choice is whether one listens to truth or to lies. You have contradicted yourself. The Catholic Church was instrumental in preserving the Bible to a degree, yet you say the dragnet are the "nominal Christian organizations." You were an elder, and as an elder you replaced God's chosen priesthood. (1 Pet 2:5,9) You "represented" that priesthood, that spiritual temple; which is an abomination to God. (Ezek 44:6-9) The dragnet is the organization you belong to, and where the "man of lawlessness" is "standing where it should not"; it is filling in for God's chosen priests and transgressing His spiritual Temple. (1 Cor 3:16,17; 2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1,2) The anointed remnant are under siege in your organization. (Rev 20:7-9) Do you agree that they should not gather together and study the words of their Master, Jesus Christ - all because it transgresses the unity of the organization? Where does it say in God's word, that an earthly organization's unity is more important than His priesthood carrying out their "daily sacrifices" of praise to Him? (Dan 11:31; 8:25; Matt 24:15,16)

You're saying that there have been no missionaries "preaching" to people in Calcutta at their doors over the years? Are you also saying that in your Armageddon, these people will not be destroyed? So, the choice is to associate with JWs, the only choice that JWs comprehend when a person studies Wt literature with them, which is to join the physical organization. Is that how they are sanctified? John 17:17 What does this mean? According to Jesus what should someone do? Be dedicated to an organization? Where in his words does he say this? Can you show me from the scriptures, or is it only your organization that says this? Who's words do JWs listen to? he Holy Spirit is not restricted to an earthly organization; and believe me, where lies are found - false teachings that cannot be dismissed, Holy Spirit will not be found there. Jesus said, "For this purpose I have been born, and for this I have come into the world: to testify to the truth. Everyone who is of the truth listens to My voice.” We have that truth in the scriptures. Do you really believe that Jesus' voice is heard through your leadership that can't even understand his words about "this generation"? Men, who keep setting dates contrary to what the scriptures tell us? Men who tell their flock that there will be two Armageddon, one now and one a thousand years later? Are these men truly on the side of truth? @Arauna, @Thinking - "Bible students need to get acquainted with the organization of the “one flock” Jesus spoke about at John 10:16. They must appreciate that identifying themselves with Jehovah’s organization is essential to their salvation. (Rev 7:9,10,15) Therefore, we should start directing our Bible students to the organization as soon as a Bible study is established." km 11/1990 This is idolatry. The organization was built "on the earth", "like" other organizations found on the earth. It was created by men. Rom 1:25 It is interesting that students are to be directed to what they can literally see established in Satan's world. 1 John 5:19 ‘You shall have no other gods besides Me. 8 ‘You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth. 9 You shall not worship them nor serve them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, inflicting the punishment of the fathers on the children, even on the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, 10 but showing favor to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments." Deut 5:7-10 As I said, Jesus never taught the foundation members of his temple, to build an earthly organization. They were the "organization" - a heavenly, spiritual one, built on his body. 1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16; Eph 2:20-22

For JWs that "one conclusion" is that the existence of an earthly organization built by uninspired men, is taught as inspired by God. Yet, there are more than one "spirit" that can "inspire" men. (Rev 13:15) "But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will [a]fall ("apostatize") away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons by means of the hypocrisy of liars seared in their own conscience as with a branding iron" 1 Tim 4:1,2 Who are the "some" and what do those "some" do? "But false prophets also appeared among the people, just as there will also be false teachers among you, who will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing swift destruction upon themselves. 2 Many will follow their indecent behavior, and because of them the way of the truth will be maligned; 3 and in their greed they will exploit you with false words; their judgment from long ago is not idle, and their destruction is not asleep." 2 Pet 2:1-3 The way of the truth is through Jesus Christ - NEVER THROUGH ANY ORGANIZATION THAT MEN WOULD BUILD. But that is the one conclusion that every JW has come to believe. Your leaders have denied their Master who bought them through the anointing. They have effectively diverted the way of the truth, through their teaching that an organization is necessary to reach salvation.

☺️ When wheels spin they make a sound, right? Thoughts put into words. The sound of the spinning wheels in the brains of the GB, have produced their insane teachings. "Conflate" - Instead of naming the list of doctrine, "Beliefs Clarified", "Beliefs Conflated" would be more appropriate. Thanks for that.

Oh Tom. Matt 24:4,5 - And Jesus answered them, “See that no one leads you astray. For many will come in my name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and they will lead many astray." "Christ" means "anointed". Is it not true that the GB are proudly saying they are the "anointed", who have come in the name of Jesus, but have led their flock astray more times than one can count, without a typed-up wordy list called "Beliefs Clarified" to count from? Of course, all wayward teachings of your leaders are not included on that list. Since Jesus is Truth, the list alone, has fact-checked Jesus away. It accuses the Wt leaders before Jesus Christ, as false prophets, false teachers. As Jesus said, "For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned.” Matt 12:37

I'll ask my son for a recap. Who, is seriously spinning their wheels? Who was implementing intense damage control in the May Broadcast on unity? Be sure to listen in. 🙂 Truly, Wt. was not built in one day, but I guarantee it will come down a lost faster, than it went up. Ezekiel chapter 13

@Srecko Sostar "WTJWorg describes its organization as a “place of salvation,” as Noah’s ark." And you are no part of it...... so it seems. She undoubtedly believes that the organization is the means of salvation, but here comes the conflict: @Arauna - No the Org. is NOT the means to our salvation... but Jesus' ransom and his father Jehovah. I notice double blindness is rampant among JWs, a deflecting of any evidence verifying what the GB teaches, and what a JW may believe. As Arauna many times does, they seem to pick and choose the doctrines they prefer, or the wording they prefer, while dismissing what the leaders may teach in that regard. This, while still holding in reverence, the self-elected position of these false teachers. (Matt 24:24,25; 48-51) Only exjws who bring out the conflict of belief, as Srecko did, are the “haters”, those with "OCD". JWs can question a doctrine, perhaps realizing it is a lie, and at the same time support the leaders who taught the lie. That's really all that a JW must do to preserve their place in the organization. And like Arauna, they are not aware of their own “present truth” – present truth for that year, and for that month. Obviously, Wt. doctrine is hard to keep up with. The labels “governing body”, “faithful slave”, “elders”, “organization”, are defended, ruthlessly. Truths and lies can come and go, but according to Samuel Herd, UNITY to those labels, to the concept behind them; unity practiced at all costs, and defense of men - their idol and their bogus leadership - are the only glue that holds these blind people captive in the Wt. (Col 2:8; Rev 13:10; 3:17) I have four geese, two male, two female, who defend their nest when they are put up each evening. No matter what feed, what treats they are given, the males attack ruthlessly. They could starve to death if allowed, if I walked away and let them defend their “organized” haven. Yes, if I let them, they would create their own famine, just as JWs have done, out of blind spiritual, stiff-necked stupidity. (Amos 8:11; Rev 18:8) They refuse to face the truth. 2 Thess 2:9-12 How to identify true prophets

What kind of God do you worship? One that tells lies? No doubt. God would not send a messenger that presents false predictions, or calls the Pyramid of Giza, “God’s Stone Witness”. A messenger from God would tell the truth. That is the pattern of prophets we see in the scriptures. Prophets are messengers. Read all of Malachi 3 and 4, to see what that messenger sent in the last days, is assigned to do. Your leaders have done just the opposite.

Remember Allen, that God abandoned that system of worship, and Jesus fulfilled the law? (Luke 13:35; Rom 8:4) 2 Cor 4:18 - So we do not focus on what is seen, but on what is unseen. For what is seen is temporary, but what is unseen is eternal.

Perfect. It is the lie that the Kingdom of God was born in the heavens; that Jesus began ruling as King in 1914; and that the Gentile times had ended. 2 Thess 2: Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him: We ask you, brothers and sisters, 2 not to be easily upset or troubled, either by a prophecy or by a message or by a letter supposedly from us, ("false apostles" 2 Cor 11:13) alleging that the day of the Lord has come. 3 Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way. For that day will not come unless the apostasy comes first and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. 4 He opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he sits in God’s temple, proclaiming that he himself is God. The Gentile times have not ended. Elders are spiritual "Gentiles" who rule over the anointed priests/"living stones" of God's dwelling/Temple. They have trampled the Temple, the anointed of "Israel". ( Dan 11:31,32,36,38; Mark 13:14; 1 Cor 3:16,17; Rev 11:1,2)

I said, “By your example, at least there are some in the world who get this.” I wouldn’t call that giving praise to one particular individual. There are exjws who “get it”. They refuse to join another religious organization, but prefer to worship “in spirit and truth”. As you stated, "Organized religion" has given itself such a bad name". John 4:21-24 From your comment- "putting labels on religions such as "Muslim", "Christian" gets in the way of your prayers to Jesus .....organized religion detracts from Jesus...we've got to take Jesus out of the religious wrapping". This is IT! It's not that religion per say will be destroyed, but organized religion will be.” Aren’t you being a little hypocritical? Or maybe just blind (Matt 15:14) Truly, I believe you are the one who didn’t “get it”, otherwise you would question the existence of your own organized religion. You said organized religion will be destroyed. How is it your religion is not included? Instead, you say it would be impossible to accomplish any mission without organization, obviously condoning your own. Certainly, you are speaking of religion organized by men, and not by God. (Zech 4:6,7) Jesus condemned the “organized” religion that the Wt. practices. He was speaking to his disciples, chosen people of “Israel”. In the Wt, there are “Gentiles” and spiritual “Jews”. Undoubtedly, Jesus knew that his people would ignore his words said in John 4:21-24. But Jesus called them to Himself and said to them, “You know that those who are considered rulers over the Gentiles (ELDERS) lord it over them, and their great ones (GB) exercise authority over them. 43 Yet it shall not be so among you; but whoever desires to become great among you shall be your servant. 44 And whoever of you desires to be first shall be slave of all. 45 For even the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life a ransom for many.” Mark 4:42-45 The GB exercises authority over the elder body. The elder body rules over all JWs - "Gentiles", but especially God’s “special possession” – His priesthood. (1 Pet 2:5,9) But, forget what Jesus says, right? This arrangement seems to be all okay with JWs. However, according to the words of Jesus, it is not okay with God. In the Wt’s case, “organized religion detracts from Jesus”. Russel's quote on organization, was the most important group of words he could have ever uttered.

Things have changed "in an instant". BLM. It was an adjustment to understand that everyone else now knows this term as "Black Lives Matter". That's perfectly fine with me. But I still see those letters as representing public land that I can hike on. I suppose now I am a target to be prosecuted.

And because he said this, you can erase Jesus' words in John 4 as well. Then why do you appear to agree with what was said in the show? @Anna - The journalist whose story this is, overhears Doug Coe, one of the leaders of the Family, saying to another member that "putting labels on religions such as "Muslim", "Christian" gets in the way of your prayers to Jesus .....organized religion detracts from Jesus...we've got to take Jesus out of the religious wrapping". This is IT! It's not that religion per say will be destroyed, but organized religion will be. One of the episodes is called One World Order. Arauna would be proud of me. And is the Holy Spirit behind this visible force? Is it behind any other religious organization's productivity? Is the Wt. better than any other? Yes, it functions on a sterile level of organization, and not on love for truth. You, of all JWs here, know this. What good is it, to produce magazines full of teachings that could change in a few months? And people are disfellowshipped for rejecting doctrine that ends up being changed. Beware of "organization.” It is wholly unnecessary. The Bible rules will be the only rules you will need. Do not seek to bind others' consciences, and do not permit others to bind yours. Believe and obey so far as you understand God’s Word today, and so continue growing in grace and knowledge and love day by day. (The Watchtower, September 15, 1895)

Where does your own religious organization fit in? I know Catholics who are aware I believe in Jesus Christ. They treat me as if I am a “sister”. I know Mormons. As a Catholic I grew up with their children. They treat me as if I am their “sister”. My Baptist neighbor tells me I am her “sister in the faith”, although she knows I would never step foot in her church after my experience with “organization”. I know JWs. They treat me as if I’m dead. Which organization, that touts “organization” more so than any other, do you believe Jesus needs to be removed from first? “Whoever does not do what is right is not of God, especially the one who does not love his brother. 11 For this is the message you have heard from the beginning: We should love one another, 12 unlike Cain, who was of the evil one and murdered his brother. And why did he murder him? Because his works were evil, and his brother’s were righteous. 13 Do not be surprised, brothers, if the world hates you. 14 We know that we have passed from death to life because we love our brothers. The one who does not love remains in death. 15 Everyone who hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life residing in him.” 1 John 3 The “world” that hated the disciples of Christ, was the world of the Jews. Jesus rejected that organization for rejecting TRUTH. Today’s “Jews” are in the organization that believe it belongs to God. They tolerate falsehoods and reject truth from those whom Jesus has sent. (Matt 5:11,12; 23:34; Rev 18:4-8) Who gets more press; Jesus Christ, the GB or "organization" in the Wt? Why not leave Jesus totally out of it and let the GB sail along as captains of their own organization, their own idol? Wait, they're already doing that! (Rom 1:25) So again, what organization does Jesus need to be removed from, first? Is it not true that it is said, the Wt is the greatest, the best, and will survive Armageddon? What other religion is like that organization, what can make war with it? (Rev 13:4) Organized religion is physical. Jesus said, in the last days there would NO physical "mountain", as Wt's "mountainlike organization", that God would approve. John 4:21-24 By your example, at least there are some in the world who get this. God's people have hardened hearts, and refuse to worship only, in spirit and in truth. (2 Thess 2:9-12)

You've nullified all the scriptures you have used in the past to prove Jesus was ruling as King in the first century.

Since you have said that scripture interprets the meaning of scripture, then maybe you can explain how the Beast from the earth (Rev 13:11) with” two horns like a lamb and spoke like a dragon” can be interpreted as an alliance of two nations in the world. This Beast is, as you say, a false prophet; but all false prophets in the scriptures were in relationship with God’s chosen people. This false prophet directs the Beast from the Sea of Rev 13:1. Are you saying that the Anglo-American power is exercising “all the power” of the Beast from the Sea (which Wt calls a “coalition of nations”) and which has been granted to “make war and overcome the saints?” (Rev 13:5-7) And how will the nations overcome (“conquer, prevail, get victory over”) and take captive (Rev 13:10) the anointed holy ones? False prophets arise in the last days to deceive the “elect”/the chosen anointed. The captivity is to “empty philosophy”, taught as “truth” (“two horns”) Matt 24:24,25; Col 2:8, 1 Tim 4:1; John 8:17) They have been deceived by teachings, such as your own.

From https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200277174 Truths? Or Insanity?

Perhaps you should put a few things into perspective.

No clue. I thought you wanted a place where we meet. I cannot give out another person's personal information, such as Pearl's or Rachel's. You already have my name - Paula Knapp. I can give you the rest in a pm.

I had no clue that you wanted someone's personal phone number and address (why an address?) I can give you mine only, in a pm.