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I'M still a member of that forum. So? I already told you it is accessed from the blog. Where's the deception? It hasn't been used for how long? Check and see. No "revisions" or "adjustments" have been made, as the Wt is so adept at doing. Care to end your false presentation? My goodness.

JWs in general? NO!! They don't all know about it! They blindly follow their leaders advice to stay away from anything that is not approved by the GB! This was posted by a JW, for JWs: To My Beloved Brothers and Sisters. New Light is here! I wanted to share something quite profound with you, penned by our own founder and published in the Watchtower before it was called "The Watchtower". He was so right about this point! I've included the first paragraph for context, but I would really like your opinions on the second paragraph especially. I tried to pick points that would warrant highlighting, but I found that the whole paragraph would then be colored and it would be moot. The whole thing is important, then as it is now and will be into the future. This is the truth about New Light. Much peace and love to you all. 1881 Zion's Watch Tower https://archive.org/details/1881ZionsWatchTower/page/n49/mode/2up The above source is an archive site, a safe and public library featuring much of the last century's print works, free of charge. It includes much of our old publications, even well beyond what we can access through JW.ORG What a treasure trove, don't you think? Obviously, the intention here is to help his brothers and sisters use some critical thinking skills. But, If every JW knew about the Archive, why would this JW NEED to assure his brothers and sister that it was available...and that it is safe? This is the same man who was surprised at finding out that there is an inaccessible database already on the JW website. Still, many will not go to the Archive out of fear. I've been there, I've been in that situation. You haven't been a JW to understand this. Why can't you just accept it? I presented the video with no written personal opinion. I posted it for anyone to see and form their own opinion. They can accept it as fact, or reject it. You, on the other hand, pick it apart and blame me for what you find is inaccurate...as if I was the one who produced it.

Do you remember that I told you there was a forum that was last used in 2016? It can be accessed from the blog, the link is there for anyone to check out; and at that time, as is the case of ALL forums, people were approved to be part of it. I had to be approved to join THIS forum. ANYONE can still read there with no restrictions (unlike here, which sets a time limit and requires membership for unlimited reading access). Even though THAT forum is no longer used, obviously, you were able to access the information. At the blog, ANYONE can read with no restrictions. So, what are you getting at? Are you saying it is a "secret portal", when the link is freely accessed from the blog page?

Because you were never a JW, you don't know how the JW mind works. I am sorry, but you don't "know" everything, SM. "Downloading our publications from anywhere but jw.org is potentially dangerous. Jehovah has entrusted the responsibility of providing spiritual food to “the faithful and discreet slave” alone. (Matt 24:45) That “slave” uses only its official websites to publish spiritual food—www.jw.org, tv.jw.org, and wol.jw.org. And we have only three official apps for mobile devices—JW Language®, JW Library®, and JW Library Sign Language®. We can trust these products to be free of advertisements or contamination by Satan’s world. If the spiritual food passes through other channels, there is no guarantee that it has not been altered or contaminated.—Ps. 18:26;19:8. w18 April p. 30-31 The average, faithful JW will take this to heart and avoid what the internet has to offer for researching their publications. With this in mind, and the restricted food available to JWs on the website, the past publications that go beyond what they can access in "their" online library, are concealed.

Although in reality it IS just like any other organization, the Wt organization teaches that it belongs to God. It is "spirit-directed" according to them, which means, "spirit breathed", or "inspired". (Rev 13:15) All decisions come from "Jehovah", "Jehovah's organization", and down to the uninspired GB. When the nation of Israel was under God's direction, nothing was hidden from His nation. His laws and instructions were clear, concise and taught to each member of Israel, as well as any foreigner who joined them. he Wt compares itself to Moses leading God's people through the wilderness. Since that comparison is made, then all of Wt's history, their past publications said to be under the direction of God, should be open to every JW to learn from; not concealed as it is.

Sounds like an opinion to me. Where are the facts to support this? Have you talked with him personally?

If this bothers you that I have expressed my opinion of confidence in what the video reveals about concealment of publications, then perhaps it should be you that should do "legitimate research". Obviously, I touched a nerve, but thank you for explaining. It must be admitted that the regular joe would question your choice. I know you took great pains to write out all that you did on racism, but this isn't why I posted the video. The primary reason is concealment of Wt's history of publications, from the general JW. Regarding a secret database, this is one JW's opinion when watching the video: "Will you just look at that. How strange that we would make it so difficult to read our past writings. Wow. This reminds me so much of Scientology. You are only allowed certain information once you are deep enough into confidence." Get the facts. Start asking every JW you know if they realize there is a database of every publication the Wt has published, and is available only to a chosen few, on the website.

Who was the majority that persecuted Christ for speaking truth? Christ and his disciples were the minority. It is the same with Jesus' faithful disciples today where modern-day Pharisees rule over "Israel" - the anointed. The "majority" are the unified organization of Jehovah's Witnesses, which expels any who speak truth, and against the doctrine of men and their idol - ("Jehovah's organization"). (John 16:2,3; Mark 8:35; Rev 11:1-3,7; 13:5-7,14-18; 12:10,11) The mountainlike organization is already "on trial" in the eyes of God. So he answered me, “This is the word of the Lord to Zerubbabel: ‘Not by strength or by might, but by my Spirit,’ says the Lord of Armies. 7 ‘What are you, great mountain? Before Zerubbabel you will become a plain. And he will bring out the capstone accompanied by shouts of: Grace, grace to it!’” Zech 4:6-7 He will speak words against the Most High and oppress the holy ones of the Most High. He will intend to change religious festivals and laws, and the holy ones will be handed over to him for a time, times, and half a time. (Rev 13:5-7) 26 But the court will convene, and his dominion will be taken away, to be completely destroyed forever. 27 The kingdom, dominion, and greatness of the kingdoms under all of heaven will be given to the people, the holy ones of the Most High. His kingdom will be an everlasting kingdom, and all rulers will serve and obey him.’ “Then I wanted to be clear about the fourth beast, the one different from all the others, extremely terrifying, with iron teeth and bronze claws, devouring, crushing, and trampling with its feet whatever was left. 20 I also wanted to know about the ten horns on its head and about the other horn that came up, before which three fell—the horn that had eyes, and a mouth that spoke arrogantly, and that looked bigger than the others. 21 As I was watching, this horn waged war against the holy ones and was prevailing over them 22 until the Ancient of Days arrived and a judgment was given in favor of the holy ones of the Most High, for the time had come, and the holy ones took possession of the kingdom. Dan 7 Truly, you should be wise, Allen, not woefully foolish, and get out of there before its too late. Rev 18:4-8

First you accuse me that I am against any database, signifying to me that you know of, or accept that there is indeed, a private database on jw.org. Now you are saying there is no private database on the online library. You appear to be on a very crooked road, the same road Wt has established. "No one makes claims justly;no one pleads honestly.They trust in empty and worthless words;they conceive trouble and give birth to iniquity. They have not known the path of peace,and there is no justice in their ways.They have made their roads crooked;no one who walks on them will know peace." Therefore justice is far from us, and righteousness does not reach us. We hope for light, but there is darkness; for brightness, but we live in the night. 10 We grope along a wall like the blind; we grope like those without eyes. We stumble at noon as though it were twilight; we are like the dead among those who are healthy. Justice is turned back, and righteousness stands far off. For truth has stumbled in the public square, and honesty cannot enter. 15 Truth is missing, and whoever turns from evil is plundered. The Lord saw that there was no justice, and he was offended." From Isa chapter 59

What silly reasoning. Wt has taken material once public for years (and still is public in various forms - personal libraries, archive.org., etc. ) and made it only accessible to a select few within the organization. I would imagine you have an extensive library of publications yourself. So, you are defending a private database that isn't really private. Once public data to JWs, as "proper food at the proper time", has since become "private", off limits, to the general population ofJ Ws. Was it ever proper food to begin with? Jesus said, good "food"/"fruit" produced by those whom HE sends, should remain...but not hidden away from those who hunger for truth. (John 15:16; Prov 3:27,28) "If you remain in me and my words remain in you, ask whatever you want and it will be done for you. 8 My Father is glorified by this: that you produce much fruit and prove to be my disciples." Well, Wt did produce abundant fruit, that is now so rotten it must be hidden from the masses. What have your leaders proven? That God is glorified by their rotten fruit? "Every tree that doesn’t produce good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 So you’ll recognize them by their fruit." Matt 7:19,20 This is a clamp down, a hiding of their past consistent failures, which appears to target specifically, the younger generations. And it is they who have fully come to believe that the organization has nothing to hide. "One who walks in integrity, walks securely, but one who takes crooked paths will be discovered." Prov 10:9

In a twisted way, they have made this distinction partially through their private database. As doctrine changes and new publications are eventually dropped, the private database will grow, evidence of their lack of spiritual insight - the "wrong". I liken it to their massive, dark garbage heap that “privileged” ones can still rummage through, to dig for a paragraph or sentence, appearing to contain some value. I’m sure the writing committee and the GB relies on these “gems” when forming their new articles and talks; and it comes through as "wisdom", wearing a new coat of paint, but still its origin is from the garbage heap. Sometimes the Message Bible gets right to the point. Ezekiel chapter 13 God’s Message came to me: “Son of man, preach against the prophets of Israel who are making things up out of their own heads and calling it ‘prophesying.’ “Preach to them the real thing. Tell them, ‘Listen to God’s Message!’ God, the Master, pronounces doom on the empty-headed prophets who do their own thing and know nothing of what’s going on! Your prophets, Israel, are like jackals scavenging through the ruins. They haven’t lifted a finger to repair the defenses of the city and have risked nothing to help Israel stand on God’s Day of Judgment. All they do is fantasize comforting illusions and preach lying sermons. They say ‘God says . . .’ when God hasn’t so much as breathed in their direction. And yet they stand around thinking that something they said is going to happen.“ Haven’t you fantasized sheer nonsense? Aren’t your sermons tissues of lies, saying ‘God says . . .’ when I’ve done nothing of the kind? Therefore—and this is the Message of God, the Master, remember—I’m dead set against prophets who substitute illusions for visions and use sermons to tell lies. I’m going to ban them from the council of my people, remove them from membership in Israel, and outlaw them from the land of Israel. Then you’ll realize that I am God, the Master. “The fact is that they’ve lied to my people. They’ve said, ‘No problem; everything’s just fine,’ when things are not at all fine. When people build a wall, they’re right behind them slapping on whitewash. Tell those who are slapping on the whitewash, ‘When a torrent of rain comes and the hailstones crash down and the hurricane sweeps in and the wall collapses, what’s the good of the whitewash that you slapped on so liberally, making it look so good?’ We heard Prov 3:5,6 repetitively as JWs, but I don’t recall verse 7 accompanying it: Trust in the Lord with all your heart, and do not rely on your own insight. 6 In all your ways acknowledge him, and he will make straight your paths. Do not be wise in your own eyes; fear the Lord, and turn away from evil. If the database is a straight path imparting God’s wisdom, all JWs should have full access to it. Yet, it is concealed for the obvious folly – stumbling blocks - that it holds. New JWs cannot be stumbled so quickly via the surface streets available to find “knowledge”! Proverbs chapter 4 explains that as individuals, we are to seek the wisdom of God, and it is obtainable. Over more than a century, the collective human organization still has not found the wisdom of God, and they never will. (Col 2:8;1 Tim 4:1;Rev 16:13-16) Wisdom comes from obedience to God’s laws in Jesus Christ…to his word. (Prov 7:1;Jer 35:13;John 14:23; James 1:22) They have broken these laws by teaching doctrine of men, and by many other atrocities they have committed. (Matt 15:9; 2 Cor 11:4; Gal 1:8,9) Does their ability to conceal their secret library from the public as well as JWs, mean they believe they can hide their rotten fruit from Jesus Christ as well? (Matt 7:7-29; John 15:1-11,16) Mark well that God doesn’t miss a move you make; he’s aware of every step you take.The shadow of your sin will overtake you; you’ll find yourself stumbling all over yourself in the dark.Death is the reward of an undisciplined life; your foolish decisions trap you in a dead end. Prov 5:21-23 Victory of Christ

"Get the facts"...I am confident with the facts I received through the video, and I can wait for further validation. Be patient, it will come. "...does not mean everything should be accepted as truth without legitimately looking into it" That's good advice, that you didn't follow as you looked into my supposed association with a pedophile that you debated with. Did you accept the facts, yet? I don't think so. SM, you have as your identity a storm trooper. Did you ever think that alone could stumble someone if they looked up the "facts" about the meaning behind "storm troop"? It's very possible, isn't it. They may ask, what are you hiding behind the mask? 1 Cor 4:5

"riddled with opinions", said by a man who was never a JW, unlike the narrator of this video who happens to also be a past member of Bethel as well. His first-hand exposure to the facts, is eye-opening. We are each allowed our opinions, but this video can be understood by any exjw, as evidence of hypocrisy by an organization that has kept its complete data base out of sight and access, from the general JW population. This enables the organization to safely rewrite their history, which they have accomplished. JWs are discouraged from seeking non JW material, but on the deeper layer of the online library, there is a list of "Non JW" material for the "elite" class to reference. Does this mean that those individuals with access, are better in some way than the general JW? No, It only feeds into their power over the lower class of JWs. Isa 29:15 - Woe to those who go to great depths to hide their plans from the LORD, who do their work in darkness and think, “Who sees us? Who will know?” Being a JW, was like swimming in murky water, never clear of truth. (Ezek 34:18 ) These leaders have chosen to build their own cistern, not holding the living water of God and Jesus Christ, but based on the doctrine of men. (John 7:37,38; Eph 4:14; 1 Tim 1:3,4; 2 Tim 4:3,4; Mark 7:7) Their teachings, their "water", is not only poison, but cannot be held in a cracked cistern for very long, and the video has assisted in exposing just one of its many cracks. (Heb 12:15; Rev 8:10,11; Jer 2:12,13; 9:3-6,15) The "secret" online library is nothing but the doctrine of men - of false teachers/false prophets, who have deceived the "elect". (Matt 24:24,25) Mark of Slavery

Here's the link: https://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/ I've never heard of a secret portal only accessible for supposed elite "members" who read at a blog. There is nothing concealed that will not be disclosed, or hidden that will not be made known. Luke 12:2

Jehovah's Witnesses have a secret database in their online library full of questionable material they wrote. They "have nothing to hide" but keep access to this portion of the website under lock and key. What could be so bad that it needs to be hidden from their millions of followers?

You know what is absolutely amazing to me, @Dmitar/Allen? You've downvoted God's word. My comment sited many scriptures. You are supporting how your organization treats the anointed. You and all JWs are supporting the breaking of God's commandments about the priesthood...unless they know, but are too afraid to speak up for the word of God and accept instead, the word of men. Who is the god you worship? It isn't the God of Truth. “This is what the Lord Almighty, the God of Israel, says: go ahead, add your burnt offerings to your other sacrifices and eat the meat yourselves! 22 For when I brought your ancestors out of Egypt and spoke to them, I did not just give them commands about burnt offerings and sacrifices, 23 but I gave them this command: obey Me, and I will be your God and you will be My people. Walk in obedience to all I command you, that it may go well with you. 24 But they did not listen or pay attention; instead, they followed the stubborn inclinations of their evil hearts. They went backwards and not forwards. 25 From the time your ancestors left Egypt until now, day after day, again and again I sent you my servants the prophets. 26 But they did not listen to me or pay attention. They were stiff-necked and did more evil than their ancestors.” 27 ‘When you tell them all this, they will not listen to you; when you call to them, they will not answer. 28 Therefore say to them, “This is the nation that has not obeyed the Lord its God or responded to correction. Truth has perished; it has vanished from their lips. Jer 7

Are you saying the organization is a temple?

I wonder if the Wt ever intends on refunding donations used for the building of branch facilities, that are later sold. I’m sure we are talking about millions of dollars needed to build them. We know they were sold at a profit; so by all rights, JWs who donated, could at least get their initial investment returned to them. I don’t see any difference in Osteen stealing money from his members and investing it wherever he chooses, than the Wt. coercing their members into donating everything from pennies to estates that translates into cash, and investing it in whatever they choose. They are both worldly "organizations" under the guise of religion. Although Watchtower does a better job of hiding the raw truth behind its existence.

I’m guessing you must be referring to “unrighteous riches”. When Jesus told his disciples, “Watch out and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and Sadducees” (Matt 16:6), he wasn’t talking about literal bread; nor was he talking about literal seed falling on the roadway, in the rocks, in good soil in Matt 13:1-9 Every parable applies to a spiritual setting, and it is the same with unrighteous riches. Jesus continually spoke against accumulating riches in this world, so why in this one circumstance of the “manager”/”steward” of Luke 16:1-12, (which the Wt quotes are referring to) would he condone it? Wt. is earthly based. Of course they will only look at the elementary meaning of “riches”. They love accumulating material possessions. If they understood the message Jesus was making, they would sell their own possessions and give to every JW in need. Matt 19:21. There is only road in for the material riches they accumulate from its members; and in return these members receive spiritual nonsense. (Matt 7:15-20) In the Body of Christ, there are several gifts of Holy Spirit disbursed to each anointed one. (Eph 4:4-13) Holy Spirit is the gift of knowledge, of the wisdom of truth, which is compared to “fine gold”, and spiritual “food”. (Prov 16:16; John 4:32; 6:35; 1 John 2:21; Rev 3:18) One gift given is that of “manager”, a “steward” or “administrator” of the spiritual house of God. (1 Cor 12:28) By effectively managing the disbursement of valuable knowledge, of “food”, gleaned from each member, all are well provided for. This is a house of priests/kings built on the foundation of Jesus, the chief cornerstone, and the apostles. (1 Pet 2:5,9; Eph 2:20-22) They will be “rich”, as rulers under Jesus Christ, the King of kings, having the authority to supply truth (fine gold) to all in the Kingdom. (Mal 2:7; Rev 5:9,10; 1 Tim 6:15; Rev 19:16) The GB has placed themselves in the position of ruling over these kings, as if they are “already rich” with power and authority – 1 Cor 4:8. Yet, they “squander” or “waste” what goods, what token of truth has been given to each household member. They refuse to ask any other anointed for the riches deposited in their heart at the anointing. They are too haughty to “dig” for truth – to approach the anointed as a body for what spiritual token of truth was given them. (Luke 16:3; 2 Cor 1:22) They have not managed, or been faithful “with what belongs to another”. Luke 16:10-12 Jesus’ last statement after relating this parable should shed light on what he was talking about: “No servant can serve two masters, since either he will hate one and love the other, or he will be devoted to one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money.” Luke 16:13 It should be clear that their vision is based on material riches and possessions. The Wt. expects its members to donate their material goods to the org. The GB give their full devotion and attention to their accumulated wealth; what to build with it, and then tell JWs it is devoted to God? Truthfully, they do not serve God by managing His spiritual house as a good steward which doesn’t take money; they serve their organization and manage their elder body/fake priesthood instead. It is from them, from a writing committee, that they “glean” their spiritual food to feed their hungry 8 million adherents. (Rom 1:25) It is such a warped concept but very common in the world of religion, but foreign to the teachings of Jesus Christ. Then the disciples came up and asked him, “Why are you speaking to them in parables?” 11 He answered, “Because the secrets of the kingdom of heaven have been given for you to know, but it has not been given to them. 12 For whoever has, more will be given to him, and he will have more than enough; but whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken away from him. 13 That is why I speak to them in parables, because looking they do not see, and hearing they do not listen or understand. Matt 13:10-14

At least they offer a refund, unlike the Watchtower 🙂. ws17 July p. 5 - One way to prove ourselves faithful with our material things is by making donations to the worldwide preaching work that Jesus foretold would happen. Such examples show that God’s people are “faithful in what is least.” (Luke 16:10) They use their material things to benefit others. How do those friends of Jehovah feel about making such sacrifices? They are very happy knowing that when they are generous, they gain “true” riches in heaven. Yes, such riches will ultimately fail, so do not lose the opportunity to use them to “make friends” in heaven. Whatever we do to advance the interests of Jehovah’s Kingdom makes us spiritually rich. Miraculously, earthly money, investments and commodities transform into spiritual riches when given to the Wt. This is their guarantee, if we take hold of the opportunity - no refunds available though. But, is it really true that one can “make friends in heaven” by donating to the organization? Does it prove we are faithful to God? w09 10/15 p. 16 - A second way that those of the other sheep class can help Christ’s brothers is by financially supporting the preaching work. Jesus encouraged his followers to make friends for themselves by means of “the unrighteous riches.” (Luke 16:9) Not that we can buy friendship with Jesus or Jehovah. Apparently it is not true! It appears that if there is a desperate need for money, the Watchtower gives its readers a different slant. This article is saying, we don’t necessarily need to give our material riches to the organization in order to have a “friendship”…I say a spiritual relationship, with the Father and the Son. But 18 years after this last quote was written, obviously "new light" tells us that God will not make us spiritually rich unless we “make friends in heaven” through donations to the organization. What riches, could be considered “unrighteous”? Jesus called them over and said to them, “You know that those who are regarded as rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them, and those in high positions act as tyrants over them. 43 But it is not so among you. On the contrary, whoever wants to become great among you will be your servant, 44 and whoever wants to be first among you will be a slave to all.” Mark 10:42-44 1 Cor 4:8 - You are already full! You are already rich! You have begun to reign as kings without us -- and I wish you did reign, so that we could also reign with you! Prov 18:12 - "Before destruction a man's heart is haughty, but humility comes before honor." The “reign” of the GB over every JW, and the reign/rulership of the "Gentile" elder body especially over the anointed priesthood, is unrighteous. Matt 24:48-51; Mark 13:14; 2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1,2 Wasteful Steward

Dear Allen, God does make those errors known. He has always used worthless individuals to do so. (1 Cor 1:26-31; Rev 11:1-3; Rev 18:4-8)

I have used YHVH, YHWH, and Yahweh. No. I already outlined the role of the spiritual priesthood under Christ. The elder "priesthood" is an evil dichotomy transgressing the laws of God.

Zech. 10:2 – “For the household gods utter nonsense, and the diviners see lies; they tell false dreams and give empty consolation. Therefore the people wander like sheep; they are afflicted for lack of a shepherd.” The term “household gods” refers to the Hebrew word “teraphim”, which means “healer”, a family idol, an image. Teraphim could be rather large and in the shape of a human. They were consulted in divination, and derived from a root word meaning, “comfort”; thus, the teraphim god was a “giver of comfort”. (Gen 31:19; 1 Sam 19:13; Judges 17:5; 18-20; Hos 3:4,5) Their role with the “diviners” of Zech 10:2 can be seen in Ezek. 21:21 - “For the king of Babylon stands at the fork of the road at the head of the two roads to practice divination. He shakes the arrows, he inquires with the teraphim, he sees with the liver..” (Diviner - “one who pretends to predict events”, “false prophets of Israel” - Micah 3:6) Consider if you will, the elder body. Can they be symbolically viewed as the teraphim – as gods? It is stressed in the organization that congregation elders provide “spiritual support and comfort” and are “protectors of the flock”. They are the governing leader’s “Helpers” whom they consult with, through the writing committee and many other committees that are part of the organization. Jesus had asked the question in John 10:34-36, “Is it not written in your law, ‘I said, you are gods’? 35 If those people to whom the word of God came were called ‘gods’ (and the scripture cannot be broken), 36 do you say about the one whom the Father set apart and sent into the world, ‘You are blaspheming,’ because I said, ‘I am the Son of God’?” He is quoting from Ps 82:6 - I said, "You are gods; you are all sons of the Most High.” As “sons of the Most High”, God’s holy people, the anointed priesthood, are “gods”. Gal 3:26 – “or through faith you are all sons of God in Christ Jesus.” They form, as priestly “living stones”, the spiritual house, the Temple of God. (1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16; 6:19; Eph 2:20-22) God’s early priests were to teach the people His instructions. (Deut 33:10; Num 27:21; 2 Chron 15:3; Mal 2:7) Since the advent of Jesus Christ - the High Priest and chief cornerstone of the spiritual Temple - God’s chosen priests are given a token of spiritual understanding, with God’s laws written on their heart. (Matt 13:12; 2 Cor 1:21,22; Heb 8:10,1,2; 10:19-22) They must teach the word of God to all, as ambassadors of Christ. (2 Cor 5:20; Rom 15:15,16; 1 Pet 2:9) To his faithful priests who walk in his path upholding his truths, Jesus gives “hidden manna”. (Luke 9:23; Matt 4:4; John 17:17; 2 Pet 1:19; Rev 2:7,17,18) Yes, those to whom Christ gives hidden manna, take in the power of eternal life, through the spirit and it's seed placed within them (1 Pet 1:23; Rom 8:9). It then dwells within them (Luke 8:8,15). They have authority to give it to yet others who receive them. They become messengers (Greek: "angels") of heavenly bread (Mal.2:7; 1Cor.4:1) (John6:51,55; 1Cor.12:27; 10:17; John1:51) and of living water (John7:38; Rev.22:17,1,2; Jer.17:7,8; Ps.1:3; Prov.11:28; Isa.61:3; Eze.47:12; John15:16,8; 14:12,13; Gen.22:15,18; Gal.3:29) (John7:38; Luke6:45,44; Matt.7:20). Possessing the power to impart eternal life...."gods", indeed! Pearl Doxsey Can the “uncircumcised” elder body, fit this description? (Ezek 44:7,9) No. The organization loosely uses the term, “God’s house” to define not only its physical “Bethel”, its kingdom halls, and various buildings, but also its people. It has removed the distinction between the righteous and the unrighteous, the clean and the unclean, by allowing a “Gentile” elder body to replace God’s priests. (Num 3:10;18:7; Lev 10:10; Ezek 44:23; Rev 11:1,2) These men are false “gods”/false priests of a greater idol. While the anointed are to represent the image of God’s Temple and dwelling of His Spirit (1 Cor 3:16), the elders represent the image of “Jehovah’s spirit-directed organization”. (Rev 13:14-17) The scriptures refer to teraphim as an abomination. (1 Kings 23:24) To correlate this abomination as “gods” within God’s sanctuary, the word “abomination” in Matt 24:15, is translated as, “a foul thing, a detestable thing, of idols and things pertaining to idolatry.” Mark 13:14 - “When you see ‘the abomination that causes desolation’ standing where it does not belong—let the reader understand—then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. The abomination certainly is the elder body “standing in” or stationed unofficially, as ‘representatives’ of the royal priesthood…becoming its own priesthood, and firmly establishing its power and false authority over the holy place”/Temple of God. (Matt 24:15; 1 Cor 3:16,17) Being granted that role by the wicked slave/governing leaders, has resulted in the removal of the priestly “daily sacrifice” and the trampling of the “living stones” of God’s Temple. (Dan 8:11-13; Matt 24:48-51; Rev 9:1-4) https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matt+24%3A15%3B+1+Cor+3%3A16%2C17%3BDan+8%3A11-13%3B+Matt+24%3A48-51%3B+Rev+9%3A1-4&version=NKJV In 2 Kings 23:24, the household gods and “all abominations” were removed by King Josiah “in order to establish the words of the law written on the scroll that Hilkiah the priest had found in the temple of YHVH.” The anointed today, have been silenced in the organization. Under the presence of the “abomination”, the laws of God written on the anointed heart are rejected for the laws of men. (2 Kings 17:7,8; Ps 10:13; Amos 2:4) Christ’s teachings are either polluted or ignored. (Dan 8:12; Matt 5:17-19; Mark 7:7,8; John 12:47-48; Gal 1:11,12) It is an outright lie, that the organization carries God’s blessing and is inhabited by His Spirit, when His laws are blasphemed by the “abomination standing in the holy place”. (2 Chron 7:19-21; Jer 7:11,15; 1 Cor 3:17; 2 Thess 2:4,8; Rev 14:9-11) The priesthood has been ordered by the governing leaders to remain distinctly separate from one another. This too is blasphemy, and sadly the anointed have been fooled into believing it is a decree coming from God. (Ezek 44:6-9; Mal 1,2,7,8,11) (Mark 13:2; 1 Cor 12:25-27; Col 2:8; 1 Tim 4:1; Rev 13:10; 16:13-15; Mal 2:9) “The king will do as he pleases. He will exalt and magnify himself above every god and will say unheard-of things against the God of gods. He will be successful until the time of wrath is completed, for what has been determined must take place. 37 He will show no regard for the gods of his ancestors or for the one desired by women, nor will he regard any god, but will exalt himself above them all. 38 Instead of them, he will honor a god of fortresses; a god unknown to his ancestors he will honor with gold and silver, with precious stones and costly gifts.” Dan 11:36-38 The Hebrew word for “fortresses” means a place of safety, protection, refuge, stronghold. For JWs, the organization is perceived as such; a refuge and place of spiritual protection, but also each elder is said to reflect these qualities. Yes, I believe the characteristics of the teraphim can be compared to the Body of Elders, the “abomination”, replacing God’s priesthood and blaspheming His spiritual Temple. (2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1,2; 13:5-7) Elders are the assumed spiritual “healers” and are consulted for protection, comfort and guidance, in conjunction with the “diviners”, or the false prophets/ governing leaders. (Matt 7:15; 24:24; 2 Pet 2:1; Rev 13:11,15) Knowing these things (about the identity of the "gods") helps us to interpret prophecy accurately, such as 2 Thess 2:4.... "He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called god or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God**." Although we were taught while within the "Watchtower", that this "man of lawlessness" (2 Thess 2:3,4) pertains to "Christendom"; We now see that this is an identity that actually comes to dominate the authentic anointed.... the genuine priests of "God's temple" (1 Cor 3:16; Rev 5:10). This is in harmony with so many scriptures that speak about the final condition of the anointed while being trampled by Gentiles ("man of lawlessness") (Luke 21:24; Rev 13:10,7; Isa 5:5; 63:18; Dan 8:13; Rev 11:2). Who are the "gods"?

Someday, all of your conspiracy theories are going to get the best of you. We're done. I don't think I've ever met a man who creates illusions so well, and believes he knows everything about everyone.

The priests are certainly despised in the organization. If these ones are to take of the "showbread", then why must they answer to men who continually feed them stale, rotten "bread"? (new light/old light) You call this, being fed by God? If the food is found to be stale, did it impart life to begin with? Matt 7:15-20 And...why must they not meet together under their High Priest Jesus Christ to study the scriptures - the "bread of life" - as one body? That is what your organization tells them. “I am the bread of life,” Jesus told them. “No one who comes to me will ever be hungry, and no one who believes in me will ever be thirsty again. John 6:35 "Because there is one loaf, we, who are many, are one body, for we all share the one loaf." 1 Cor 10:17 The anointed are prohibited from approaching Jesus Christ to receive the bread of life, as the members of his body. (Eph 4:4-13; 2:20-22 ) They are the spiritual Temple/dwelling of God's Spirit. (1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17) Each one of these "living stones" in the organization is being "destroyed" by a counterfeit priesthood WHOM THEY MUST OBEY - the elder body. 2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1,2 Where in the scriptures does it say that they MUST OBEY men not anointed? Matt 25:45 - “Then he will answer them, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’ Arauna, you could read about the duties of the early priesthood ...Deut 33:10; Num 27:21; 2 Chron 15:3; Mal 2:7;2 Cor 5:20; Rom 15:15,16; 1 Pet 2:9 ...and then ask yourself why you have submitted to the false rulership over you of a counterfeit priesthood, which transgresses the laws of God. Num 18:7; Lev 10:10; Ezek 44:23; Rev 11:1,2 "You are to appoint Aaron and his sons to carry out their priestly responsibilities, but any unauthorized person who comes near the sanctuary is to be put to death.” Num 3:10 "Representing the royal priesthood are appointed elders" wt 01/8/1 Blasphemy