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Matt 23:10 Don’t make others call you a leader, because you have only one leader, the Messiah. GW Do not be called leaders; for One is your Leader, that is, Christ. Holman Nor are you to let yourselves be called ‘leaders,’ because you have one Leader, and he is the Messiah! CJV None of you should be called the leader. The Messiah is your only leader. CEV Do not let yourselves be called leaders or teachers; for One is your Leader (Teacher), the Christ. AMP I am not calling Jesus a liar.

Under these additional topics, are your responses: “WHY ARE EX JWS SO RUDE?” “They suffer from OCD and cannot move on but must destroy...... another indication of who their father is.” “BLOCKING TROLLS THE STAR TREK WAY!” “These people have OCD. They do the same thing over and over. It is like a mild mental illness and they cannot control it. Their dominant pattern of thinking has got a glitch. They come across as normal except for their hate of jehovah's people.” “UN COMPACT 2018” “I would like to hear your comments on the captioned subject UN Compact 2018 - that is if you have any..... OCD again - GB bashing.” Back to OCD symptoms! So please control the OCD and get back to the subject of human rulership and Agenda 21 - the 2018 UN compact.” “WHAT KIND OF NAME ARE YOU MAKING WITH GOD?” "OCD again! Obsessive compulsive disorder. " “STUDY ARTICLE WATCHTOWER 11/11/2018” “That is it! You are another person with OCD. There is only one subject on your mind and you return to it in everything you say. ....." “AN INTERESTING TAKE ON POLITICS, CONSPIRACIES, AND PROPHESIES” “Another session where it starts off with 'Jehovah's name' and then turns into a bashing session. Obsessed with bashing? What kind of Christian quality is that? most apostates have OCD - I recognize the signs immediately! They have an emotional sickness - they spend their time bashing........ They are suffering from the same sickness as Satan had ..... hence the OCD. The OCD syndrome..... over and over the same of same....” “24 YEAR OLD BETHELITE WOMAN RECENTLY DISFELLOWSHIPPED FOR APOSTASY COMMITS SUICIDE!” “There is something OCD about those who have left Jehovah on bad terms...... they obsessively come back with dubious intentions. I have seen this over and over again. Many of them seem to suffer from this OCD phenomena.” “607 B.C.E. – IS IT BIBLICALLY SUPPORTED?” “Speaking to you is like speaking to a Muslim...... no proper chronology - and scriptures applied to elevate your own form of belief ...... and of course the constant OCD 'accusations'.” I could have gone on. I don't know, Arauna, but maybe we both have OCD. You may be obsessed with the topic of apostates. Maybe Jesus had OCD also...or, perhaps he was driven by Holy Spirit, as were the apostles who you may have interpreted as suffering from “OCD-like” symptoms in their day, causing them to preach of Christ continually and expose falsehoods, continually. They never let up. Paul stated: But I’ll go on doing what I’m doing. This will take away the opportunity of those people who want to brag because they think they’re like us. 13 People who brag like this are false apostles. They are dishonest workers, since they disguise themselves as Christ’s apostles. 14 And no wonder, even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. 15 So it’s not surprising if his servants also disguise themselves as servants who have God’s approval. In the end they will get what they deserve.” 2 Cor 11:12-17 Call me "OCD", but I won’t let up either. :)

Considering that my mother was a young adult when Rutherford built his "monument", the term "crackpot", (correctly spelled with a hyphen) was well in use; and, if she did hear of his folly, she most certainly would have used the term, "crack-pot" during that day. Her mother had a full library of Rutherford's publications, only because she took pity on the Bible Students and bought whatever they were peddling at the moment. Did my mother have the full historical context of the era? She may have, with such a library at her fingertips.

Do you have proof that the articles quoted are out of historical context? What about the Proclaimer's Book that I quoted? Was that not enough historical context for you? Or, is the truth of the matter, bothersome? Does it change the perspective that Rutherford was a false prophet per God's ancient words spelled out in the Bible? It appears that God's words on identifying false prophets, as well as Jesus' warnings about them, have been taken out of context by you, and the organization; and evaluated by their "today's modern standards". Perhaps, it is time for JWs to get real and look at their history, square in the face, and stop making excuses for false, failed, prophesy and changed teachings, that have paved their road and reputation as an organization.

Firstly, you have totally ignored the scriptures I gave Tom. Unless Jesus’ words have little meaning to you. Matt 23:10; Luke 22:25,26 Secondly, to be a “leader” does not mean to expect unfailing obedience to the person or to a “body” of elders. That is what Jesus was saying in Luke 22:25,26 “It is not to be like that among you”. But….it undoubtedly is, in the organization. Jesus was a separatist, wasn’t he. This separation from corrupt rule happens again during the time of the end, when God’s people give credence to an organization, and totally disregard Jesus’ counsel. Many perceive this stifling oppression by men, who have taken into their hands, a falsely given power to judge another’s spirituality. Rev 13:1,4-8 And, people wake up to the fact that there is a necessity to separate themselves from an invalid rulership, not authorized by Christ or the Father. Rev 18:4-8 Jesus’ words give them validity to do so. If we choose to obey Jesus’ words, and not your leaders, are we wrong? "If anyone hears my words and doesn't keep them, I do not judge him; for I did not come to judge the world but to save the world. 48 "The one who rejects me and doesn't receive my sayings has this as his judge: The word I have spoken will judge him on the last day. John 12:47,48 If we choose to love Jesus because we believe his words, are we wrong? Jesus answered, "If anyone loves me, he will keep my word. My Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him. John 12:47 Paul led people to Christ, to truth. He was that type of leader. Does your GB and elder body lead people to Christ, or to an organization of full rulership over 8 million people? Paul stated: Is it, in fact, men I am now trying to persuade or God? Or am I seeking to please men? If I were yet pleasing men, I would not be Christ’s slave. Gal 1:10 You see, we don’t have to please elders or a GB who expect recognition and honor. We don’t have to submit to an organization; we only submit to God and Christ – and neither one ARE an organization. If you see a symbiotic relationship of sort, you are an idolater. Isa 46:5 Don’t you know that when you present yourselves as servants and obey someone, you are the servants of whomever you obey; whether of sin to death, or of obedience to righteousness? Rom 6:16 Men cannot bring us life. If I obey the words of men who expect recognition and obedience; and I don’t obey the words of Christ, I sin, and sin leads to death. I chose to obey Christ. Funny you should mention that, because it is the anointed who carry the laws of God within their heart, as bodily members of Christ who fulfilled the law. Heb 8:10; Mal 2:7 But, your organization has its own set of laws, and those who carry God's laws have been shoved aside. Rev 11:1,2; 2 Thess 2:3,4 Even they, have lost that knowledge of what's inside them, since the elder body, who "represents" them, RULE with their Shepherd the Flock of God book, and they accept that rule over them. Is the organization following God's laws and commands? How can it, when it chooses to ignore them?

It's all under this thread, in a conversation with Arauna:

We both know you are establishing a belief that an "organization" of leaders is vital to salvation. Scripture please?

@TrueTomHarley said: "You know that they would be screaming at how incompetent and wicked were the brothers taking the lead in Jerusalem." Can you provide a scripture that verifies brothers "taking the lead in Jerusalem"? "Witness would have quoted half the Hebrew Scriptures in an effort to show how it was their presumptuousness that was to blame." Presumptuous is a good word for those who believe they can rightly "take the lead" today. From the Greek scriptures, and something to consider: "Nor should you be called ‘Leader,’ because your one and only leader is the Messiah." Matt 23:10 STRONGS NT 2519: καθηγητής καθηγητής, καθηγητου, ὁ (καθηγέομαι to go before, lead);a. properly, a guide: Numen. quoted in Ath. 7, p. 313 d.b. a master, teacher: Matthew 23:8 R G, 10. Luke 22:25,26: But He said to them, “The kings of the Gentiles...(today, that would be elders not the "Israel of God", acting as "kings" over the congregation of JWs. Since they "represent the royal priesthood" of "kings", the elders have usurped the role of not only priests, but kings. Rev 5:9,10) dominate them, and those who have authority over them are called ‘Benefactors.' ("friends of the people", the GB) Well, we know the GB has authority over the entire elder body of "Gentiles". Is this a good thing? It is not to be like that among you. On the contrary, whoever is greatest among you should become like the youngest, and whoever leads, like the one serving. There is to be no one exercising headship over another. If one "leads" in truth, he is serving that individual with truth. He expects no honor to be given to himself. Do a little research, look up "honor" and how it relates to "elders" in the organization. Look up "humility/humble" and how it relates to the anointed in the organization. No honor is bestowed on God's kings/priests, but certainly on man's choice of who are the "priests and kings" of your organization.

“Join with me in suffering, like a good soldier of Christ Jesus.” 2 Tim 2:3 Are we living in the time of Moses? Moses was given the law to lead God’s people. The law has been fulfilled in Christ. Luke 24:44 HE now leads God’s people; HE is our commander, who would never make a mistake. “And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, he explained to them what was said in all the Scriptures concerning himself.” Luke 24:27 He said to them, “This is what I told you while I was still with you: Everything must be fulfilled that is written about me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets and the Psalms.” Luke 24:44 “You study the Scriptures diligently because you think that in them you have eternal life. These are the very Scriptures that testify about me, 40 yet you refuse to come to me to have life.” “If you believed Moses, you would believe me, for he wrote about me.” John 5:39,46 How can you believe when you accept each other’s praise and don’t look for the praise that comes from the only God? Joh 5:44 If God chooses an individual to trumpet truth, as a “leader” in truth, that one leads another to Christ by speaking the truth of Christ. John 14:6; Phil 2:9-11 He doesn’t expect loyalty to be given to him! There is a difference, do you understand? “ I have come in My Father’s name, yet you don’t accept Me. If someone else comes in his own name, you will accept him.” John 5:43 A “faithful slave” of the Master, would not assume the role of Master. Yet, an “evil slave” would “beat” his fellow slaves for choosing to follow their Master Christ, and for refusing to recognize a pseudo leadership of an evil slave. Matt 24:45-51 An evil slave would fabricate that “human rule”, leading us to become “bondservants of men”. Gal 1:10; Col 2:20-22; 1 Cor 7:23 Can you see this? We do not answer to a human, but only to the Father and Jesus. 1 Cor 3:5 What happened to those who rose up against the prophet/messenger Moses? What do you think will happen to those who have usurped the role of Christ as our Head? "They claim to know God, but by their actions they deny him. They are detestable, disobedient and unfit for doing anything good." Titus 1:16 Then He said, “Watch out that you are not deceived. For many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am He,’ and, ‘The time is near.’ Don’t follow them. Luke 21:8 If we rise up a human to rule over us, we have rejected the rule of Christ, who was a prophet/messenger to his people. We then begin to seek out “each other’s praise” instead of seeking praise from Jesus. His prophetic words remain as our message. John 4:41 If another speaks of Christ, yet expects to assume command over our souls, (as the organization practices through judgmental measures), that one is preaching “another Jesus”, through “another spirit”. Rev 13:11,15; 16:13,14 “The nations you will dispossess listen to those who practice sorcery or divination. But as for you, the Lord your God has not permitted you to do so. 15 The Lord your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among you, from your fellow Israelites. You must listen to him.” Deut 18:15 “I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their fellow Israelites, and I will put my words in his mouth. He will tell them everything I command him. 19 I myself will call to account anyone who does not listen to my words that the prophet speaks in my name.” Deut 18:18,19 Would you call it exploitation when you use your skills to expose the trinity doctrine at a householder's door? God expects us to expose untruths (“not holding to the truth”) spoken by our own people, just as Jesus did. John 8:44 If we don't, we are no better than those who feared the power of the Pharisees, and chose to obey their words and not those of Christ. Matt 23:13 This, on the other hand, is what Satan does accomplish: “But I am afraid that just as Eve was deceived by the serpent’s cunning, your minds may somehow be led astray from your sincere and pure devotion to Christ. (not to a human leader!) 4 For if someone comes to you and preaches a Jesus other than the Jesus we preached, or if you receive a different spirit from the Spirit you received, or a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it easily enough.” “For such people are false apostles, deceitful workers, masquerading as apostles of Christ. 14 And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. 15 It is not surprising, then, if his servants also masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.” 2 Cor 11:3,4,13-15

Would you call this an “educated statement”? We’re talking about a religious leader of “Israel”, who is to represent God in truth. JWs were to respect this individual, as well as his teachings. Are you saying man’s word trumps God’s word? When does God’s word trump man’s? When a church in “Christendom” utters a prophesy that fails to come true? Although you believe all the historical failed doctrine are errors that are to be forgiven, God’s word takes a different view when it comes to His people. But any prophet who falsely claims to speak in My name or who speaks in the name of another god must die.’ 21 “But you may wonder, ‘How will we know whether or not a prophecy is from the Lord?’ 22 If the prophet speaks in the Lord’s name but His prediction does not happen or come true, you will know that the Lord did not give that message. That prophet has spoken without My authority and need not be feared. Deut 18:20-22 Jehovah’s Witnesses have joined this list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unfulfilled_Christian_religious_predictions

"Woe to those who say that good is bad and evil is good, to those who put darkness for light and light for darkness, those who bitterly bitter and sweet to bitter, woe to those who are *wise in their own eyes, and wise in their sight! " The Bible Isaiah 5: 20-21 TMN

Nothing is as it seems, in the Watchtower organization. “Coming to Him, a living stone—rejected by men but chosen and valuable to God— 5 you yourselves, as living stones, are being built into a spiritual house for a holy priesthood to offer spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation a people for His possession, so that you may proclaim the praises of the One who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light.” 1 Pet 2:5,9 w02 8/1 p. 13-14 “Representing the royal priesthood are appointed *elders, who serve in positions of responsibility in congregations of Jehovah’s people around the earth. These men deserve our respect and wholehearted support, whether they are of the anointed or not. Why? Because, through his holy spirit, Jehovah has appointed the older men to their positions.” “Didn’t you banish the priests of YHVH, the descendants of Aaron and the Levites, and make your own priests like the peoples of other lands do? Whoever comes to ordain himself with a young bull and seven rams may become a priest of what are not gods.” 2 Chron 13:9 The Lord said to Aaron, “You, your sons, and your ancestral house will be responsible for sin against the sanctuary. You and your sons will be responsible for sin involving your priesthood. "You are to guard the sanctuary and the altar so that wrath may not fall on the Israelites again. 6 Look, I have selected your fellow Levites from the Israelites as a gift for you, assigned by the Lord to work at the tent of meeting. 7 But you and your sons will carry out your priestly responsibilities for everything concerning the altar and for what is inside the veil, and you will do that work. I am giving you the work of the priesthood as a gift, but an *unauthorized person who comes near the sanctuary will be put to death.” Num 18:1,5-7 “Don’t you yourselves know that you are God’s sanctuary and that the Spirit of God lives in you? If anyone destroys God’s sanctuary, God will destroy him; for God’s sanctuary is holy, and that is what you are.” 1 Cor 3:16,17 “Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to Him: We ask you, brothers, 2 not to be easily upset in mind or troubled, either by a spirit or by a message or by a letter as if from us, alleging that the Day of the Lord has come. 3 Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way. For that day will not come unless the apostasy[b] (“rebellion”) comes first and the *man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction.” w02 8/1 p. 13-14 “Rather than challenge their authority, we truly appreciate our hardworking *elders! Their record of faithful service, often over many decades, inspires our trust.” 4 “He opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he sits in God’s sanctuary, publicizing that he himself is God.” 2 Thess 2:1-4 "The *presumptuous ones smeared me with lies. As for me, with all my heart I will observe your orders." (Psalm 119: 69) TMN “The Disgusting Thing Standing in a Holy Place, Matt 24:15” – 4womaninthewilderness blogspot

Sir, surely you know that God’s Word does not adhere to folly; but rather, condemns it. Do not answer a fool according to his folly, or you yourself will be just like him. Prov 26:4 I saw that wisdom is better than folly, just as light is better than darkness. Eccl 2:13 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them. Eph 5:11 Then the Lord said, “These prophets are telling lies in my name. I did not send them or tell them to speak. I did not give them any messages. They prophesy of visions and revelations they have never seen or heard. They speak foolishness made up in their own lying hearts. Jer 14:14

…because if it did have an everlasting spiritual purpose, they would have held onto it no matter the cost. It’s sort of like other WT buildings dedicated to God, for the life of their use. No authentic spirituality is involved, except for a deceitful one. If a JW went rogue in the congregation, “inventing teachings and doctrines” which none really, could compare to Rutherford and Russell’s teachings, that one would no longer be called a “brother”. He would be removed. Yet, Russel and Rutherford, the backbones leading to the birth of the organization are respected Brothers, leaders. If today’s “faithful and discreet slave” supports its historical false teachers, by highlighting their material (in a selective way and to their own advantage), are they not also false teachers themselves, by advocating these men as stalwart and faithful individuals, who enhance the organization today?

TTH: "What it proves is that when it is clear they have erred, interpreting scripture incorrectly, they admit it in print and move on—the very opposite of the line you and Witness are peddling that they hide their mistakes at all costs." Oh! So it was really a ‘monumental’ ERROR! That makes more sense and certainly is backed up by the newspaper articles that I never knew about while a JW. The Proclaimer's Book "proclaims" only the bare bones, purposefully skipping the embarrassing meat of the story. "The only one who says that it is impermissible for humans to err is you. They have never taken that position." Yesterday, prophetic failures were blamed on the members who took any stock in their teachings. Today, they admit that they make mistakes from time to time... 1 - because God never "inspired" them. 2 - because Jesus never promised them perfect food. But, yeah, they make mistakes, because of God and Jesus. Apparently, God and Christ made them error. What a childlike excuse.

I'm borrowing a good scripture used on another topic, that appropriately fits Watchtower's own meager attempt to portray Rutherford's antics as having a valid purpose; also Rutherford's spiritual state of mind when producing this purposeful "monument". They know God, but they do not give him the honor that belongs to him, nor do they thank him. Instead, their thoughts have become complete nonsense, and their empty minds are filled with darkness. Rom 1:21 If someone's mind is filled with such insane darkness, can it also contain the authentic light of truth? Do not try to work together as equals with unbelievers, for it cannot be done. How can right and wrong be partners? How can light and darkness live together? 2 Cor 6:14 Does any JW here realize Rutherford was a false prophet? And, can a false prophet aid in the "restoration of first-century Christianity"?

Proclaimers of God’s Kingdom p. 89 (jv chap. 7 pp. 72-89) “House of the Princes” Brother Rutherford had a severe case of pneumonia after his release from unjust imprisonment in 1919. Thereafter, he had only one good lung. In the 1920’s, under a doctor’s treatment, he went to San Diego, California, and the doctor urged him to spend as much time as possible there. From 1929 on, Brother Rutherford spent the winters working at a San Diego residence he had named Beth-Sarim. Beth-Sarim was built with funds that were a direct contribution for that purpose. The deed, which was published in full in “The Golden Age” of March 19, 1930, conveyed this property to J. F. Rutherford and thereafter to the Watch Tower Society. Concerning Beth-Sarim, the book “Salvation,” published in 1939, explains: “The Hebrew words ‘Beth Sarim’ mean ‘House of the Princes’; and the purpose of acquiring that property and building the house was that there might be some tangible proof that there are those on earth today who fully believe God and Christ Jesus and in His kingdom, and who believe that the faithful men of old will soon be resurrected by the Lord, be back on earth, and take charge of the visible affairs of earth.” A few years after Brother Rutherford’s death, the board of directors of the Watch Tower Society decided to sell Beth-Sarim. Why? “The Watchtower” of December 15, 1947, explained: “It had fully served its purpose and was now only serving as a monument quite expensive to keep; our faith in the return of the men of old time whom the King Christ Jesus will make princes in ALL the earth (not merely in California) is based, not upon that house Beth-Sarim, but upon God’s Word of promise.” * [Footnote] At the time, it was believed that faithful men of old times, such as Abraham, Joseph, and David, would be resurrected before the end of this system of things and would serve as “princes in all the earth,” in fulfillment of Psalm 45:16. This view was adjusted in 1950, when further study of the Scriptures indicated that those earthly forefathers of Jesus Christ would be resurrected after Armageddon.—See “The Watchtower,” November 1, 1950, pages 414-17. Apparently, this crazy endeavor of Rutherford's, is excused because the house "fully served its purpose", as a "monument" "that there there might be tangible proof of a belief held out by JWs today. The Bible's promises were not enough to put faith in.

What a remarkable introduction for the restoration of "first-century Christianity" in 1931. One to put down in the history books for all JWs. Something to be proud of?... The interview with J.F. Rutherford that appeared in the San Diego Sun, March 15, 1930 "But how will you identify King David or any of the other representatives from God?' Rutherford was asked. 'I thought all that out before I wrote the deed,' the judge replied with a twinkle in his gray eyes. 'I realized the possibility of some old codger turning up bright and early some morning and declaring he was David. The men whom I have designated to test the identity of these men are officers of my societies and have consecrated themselves to the Lord, they will be divinely authorized to know impostors from the real princes.'" Time Magazine of Mar 31, 1930 wrote: "Judge Joseph Frederick Rutherford 60, lives in a ten room Spanish mansion, No 4440 Braeburn Rd, San Diego, Calif. Last week he deeded No 4440 Braeburn Road, and adjacent two car garage and a pair of automobiles to King David, Gideon, Barak, Samson, Jephthae, Samuel and sundry other mighties of ancient Palestine. Positive is he that they are shortly to reappear on earth, Said he: 'I have purposely landscaped the place with palm and olive trees so that these princes of the universe will feel at home ..". The San Diego Sun of Jan 9 1931 wrote: "A gaunt unshaven tramp has been the lone claimant for the $75,000 Southern Californian mansion of David, king of Israel, since it was deeded to the Biblical character a year ago. This was revealed today by Judge James Rutherford, temporary owner of the luxuriantly furnished Spanish type mansion at 440 Braeburn Rd in the exclusive Kensington Heights district. In one of the oddest deeds ever recorded, Rutherford, president of the International Bible Students Association and the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society, has placed in trust the magnificent estate for ancient kings and prophets of Israel. The slayer of Goliath and his companions may occupy the 10 room modern home with it's landscaped gardens and patio as soon as their credentials are approved by Rutherford and officials of his societies, divinely authorised to recognise them. One morning as I was going from the house to the garage, a queer looking creature approached me, tipped his dirty hat and cried 'Howdy Judge, I'm David' 'Go and tell that to the winds', I told him and he left without arguing the matter. I could see at a glance that he was not David. He didn't look like I knew David would look.' Asked how he expected David and his distinguished brethren to look, Rutherford, without hesitation, opened his huge Bible and pointed to a verse which said that the Princes of the Universe would be risen from the dead 'as perfect men'. 'I interpret that to mean', the tall dignified Judge declared, 'that David, Gideon, Barak, Samson, Jepthae, Joseph and Samuel will be sent here to wrench the world from Satan's grasp, clothed in modern garb as we are, and able, with little effort, to speak our tongue.' Rutherford pictured the arrival of the biblical delegation perhaps in frock coats, high hats, canes and spats. At Beth Sarim (House of Princes) as Rutherford has named his mansion, David will find the most modern appliances that science has devised. When the distinguished guests walk up the circular stairway to the second floor, they will find a large office with red leather chairs and shiny flat topped desk with inverted lighting. Even French telephones await the touch of the princes. Opening a wide door, the native sons of Palestine will behold a large bathroom, resplendent in shiny black tile with needle shower and an amply filled medicine chest. What a thrill giant shouldered Samson, who wrecked a palace with his bare fists might find in the gold safety razor and strop! Rutherford built the second floor bedroom, which he temporarily occupies, large in order to accommodate several of the expected owners. With wide pane windows that look out on the purple Cuyamacas to the East and California's first mission to the north, the bedroom is almost severe in it's furnishings. The rulers of the universe will have simple tastes, the judge apparently believes, although the austere end tables sported gaily covered fiction magazines. Rutherford has imported some Koniach, Wasser from Cologne, Germany to freshen the princely faces after shaving. A black skull cap hangs over one of the bedposts. The coming of David and his companions will be the greatest news story of the ages, Rutherford predicted. 'I am not a publicity seeker,' Rutherford said with a twinkle in his kindly brown eyes, 'but I feel that the world should know about their arrival. It will be a great news story.' Word of his 'House of king David' has reached into every corner of the world, the judge stated. 'Everywhere I went people asked me about this place,' Rutherford said. 'In Chicago a millionaire manufacturer offered to build another house for David, but I declined the offer. 'Literally thousands have driven here to see this place,' Rutherford continued. 'Many have come to the door and my secretary has shown them about the place.' The patio with it's silver pool and olive and palm trees is gay with flowers. Down toward the canyon, paths have been landscaped to allow David and his friends to walk in meditation. Many of the fruits and trees, native to their Palestine, will greet the rulers when they arrive. In the two car garage next door stands a new, yellow 16 cylinder coupe which will be turned over to the rulers along with all the personal property on the place. 'Everything will be theirs, the house, the land, the furnishings and even the clothes if they need them,' Judge Rutherford said. 'What will I do? Oh, don't worry about me. I'll manage somehow.' the judge smiled. He had another 'Watch Tower' residence on Staten Island and practically an entire floor at Bethel. The seven famous men will not have long to rest at their San Diego estate because they soon will lead the forces of the Lord to vanquish the minions of Satan at the battle of Armageddon, Rutherford believed. 'But they will win out. The Lord will punish the devil and will show that the preachers and the politicians have been giving the people false counsel,' Rutherford said confidently. Rutherford will sail May 9 for Europe where he will speak before conventions in Berlin, Paris and London." As my rather frank mother would have said, “the guy is a crackpot”.

Jesus said to his people, “Do not think that I came to bring peace on earth. I did not come to bring peace but a sword. 35 For I have come to ‘set a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law’; 36 and ‘a man’s enemies will be those of his own household.’ 37 He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me. 38 And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me. 39 He who finds his life will lose it, and he who loses his life for My sake will find it." Matt 10:34-39 We have another fulfillment of Christ's words today, as a result of the organization and God's people within it. Disfellowshipping causes family division. If one leaves to follow CHRIST completely, they "lose" the life they had known; yet, nothing in the scriptures designates that they have made the wrong decision. Only men and their doctrine say so. Who should we follow? Christ or men? The path of following him outside the organization comes with difficulty. Why? Because of what the WT leaders have instructed their members to do - shun those who leave the organization - for whatever reason they may leave. Is that "preaching" Jesus' words of love? I can't tell you how many times I have pleaded with JWs to adhere to Rev 18:4-8 and Matt 24:15,16 If I hated them, would I bother to even mention it? I wouldn't even be here. I wouldn't consider investing my time in explaining who the man of lawlessness is and where "he" is found. I have a family; a husband, children, grand children, two dogs, and a large flock of birds. I have plenty to keep me busy. I wouldn't be concerned for every anointed and companion in the Watchtower who face judgment now, in this time of "tribulation". I just wouldn't care. But, Holy Spirit does something to a person when it is needed. With the advent of the man of lawlessness, which is the elder body assuming control over the anointed priesthood, (please, consider your position in front of God, elders) "trampling" Christ's bodily members is the same as trampling Christ. John 15:20; Acts 9:4,5 Marking an individual anointed one as spiritually dead for following their Head, Jesus Christ, is a sin against the Holy Spirit which resides in their heart. 2 Cor 6:16; 1 John 2:27 A spiritual "killing" by the elders is not physical, but symbolic, and exactly what the Wild Beast/ man of lawless accomplishes against God's servants in Rev 13:1,2,4-9,15; 11:7 Anyone who has rejected Moses’ law dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29 Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know Him who said, “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay,” says the Lord. And again, “The Lord will judge His people.” 31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God. Heb 10:28-31 Then I was given a reed like a measuring rod.And the angel stood, saying, “Rise and measure the temple of God, (1 Cor 3:16,17) the altar, and those who worship there. 2 But leave out the court which is outside the temple, and do not measure it, for it has been given to the Gentiles. And they will tread the holy city underfoot for forty-two months. 3 And I will give power to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy one thousand two hundred and sixty days, clothed in sackcloth.” Rev 11:1-3

I thought you were new here. How did you come to this assumption? Allen, I really don't get why you need so many disguises. Do you suffer from DID? How do you interpret following in Jesus' footsteps? Living as the GB do in Warwick?

All very true! What is the tabernacle/Temple today? It sounds like you believe it is the organization. It is not the organization, but the “living stones”/anointed. 1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17; Eph 2:20-22 If you are devoted to the Watchtower, you have sidestepped the true tabernacle of God in the anointed ones; and, worshiping a "false god". It is not impossible for God to lead people to Christ. John 6:37 Do you believe God blessed individuals with truth about the Bible from the first century until the birth of the organization? Do you believe there were anointed on the earth who, through their spiritual blessing of anointment were able to teach people truth? Mal 2:7 They were not organized according to the Watchtower’s belief of physical organization, but “organized” according to God and how he arranged the bodily members of Christ. 1 Cor 12; Eph 4:7-16 To follow the Bible’s teachings on the true Temple today, there would be no physical organization that would take precedence over God’s spiritual Temple. Was there anything that took precedence over the physical Temple as the place of worship before Christ? God’s “organization” is spiritual, not physical. Moses was told: “See that you make all things according to the pattern shown you on the mountain.” That is the heavenly mountain. “For every high priest is appointed to offer both gifts and sacrifices. Therefore it is necessary that this One also have something to offer. 4 For if He were on earth, He would not be a priest, since there are priests who offer the gifts according to the law; 5 who serve the copy and shadow of the heavenly things, as Moses was divinely instructed when he was about to make the tabernacle.” (See Heb 8:3-6) God’s Temple today is arranged “heavenly”, not physically as you see in the organization. So, if you serve the organization’s needs and its arrangement, you are transgressing God’s “organized way” as you say, of truly worshiping God. You are following how man thinks it should be done, and not God’s. You have been in the organization for a long time. Many who leave also have spent several years inside, but then realize that serving God in truth doesn't take a physical "mountain" to do so. Jesus answered and said to her, “If you knew the gift of God, and who it is who says to you, ‘Give Me a drink,’ you would have asked Him, and He would have given you living water.” 11 The woman said to Him, “Sir, You have nothing to draw with, and the well is deep. Where then do You get that living water? 12 Are You greater than our father Jacob, who gave us the well, and drank from it himself, as well as his sons and his livestock?” 13 Jesus answered and said to her, “Whoever drinks of this water will thirst again, 14 but whoever drinks of the water that I shall give him will never thirst. But the water that I shall give him will become in him a fountain of water springing up into everlasting life.” 15 The woman said to Him, “Sir, give me this water, that I may not thirst, nor come here to draw.” Jesus said to her, “Woman, believe Me, the hour is coming when you will neither on this mountain, nor in Jerusalem, worship the Father. 22 You worship what you do not know; we know what we worship, for salvation is of the Jews. 23 But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for the Father is seeking such to worship Him. 24 God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.” John 4:10-15,21-24

If one of your brothers or sisters told you a lie, what would you do? Wouldn't you approach them about it? Wouldn't you expect them to hear you out, even apologize for lying to you? The GB are just men, no better than anyone else; and who are to be spiritual "brothers" to all. Many anointed ones, and many others, have approached them about their failed doctrine, (failed doctrine is a lie from the outset) about their handling of child abuse, about their assumed title as a "faithful and discreet slave", and about their misinterpretation of scripture. Do you know what the GB does when they are approached? They shut them up, their anointed brothers, by disfellowshipping them. (Matt 24:48-51;John 16:2; 1 John 3:11,12; Rev 13:15 ) That act, is hypocrisy. JWs should see a red flag when realizing this, since it reveals a wicked persona that wields power over one's spirituality. Your scripture, aptly applies here: "Who are you to judge another's servant? To his own master (Jesus Christ) he stands or falls. Indeed, he will be made to stand, for God is able to make him stand" Rom 14:4 The battle we face, is of truth against lies, spoken from the mouths of anointed "kings". (Matt 7:15-20; Rev 1:5; 5:9,10; 12:7; 17:2) Before you, is not only a sparkling, seemingly innocent organization, but a well-hidden deceitful lie. (2 Thess 2:9-12: Rev 13:1,4) Truth is not complicated when we turn to Jesus Christ, who is Truth. (John 14:6; Luke 18:22; Rev 19:11) It's your choice - your decision. “Let the nations be roused; let them advance into the Valley of Jehoshaphat, for there I will sit to judge all the nations on every side. 13 Swing the sickle, for the harvest is ripe. Come, trample the grapes, for the winepress is full and the vats overflow— so great is their wickedness!” 14 Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision! For the day of the Lord is near in the valley of decision. Joel 3:12-14

Where did Jesus say the preaching would be done in the last days? What I am doing? Who do I “preach” to? Who does Pearl “preach” to? Who do others I know preach to? Spiritual “Israel” – the anointed, and also those with them. Matt 10:23 This preaching will not finish before "the Son of Man comes". And also… “those exiting the “city” – JWs who are leaving the Watchtower. Rev 18:4-8; Matt 22:8-10 Proof is not in “increased proclamation of Jesus”, since the Mormons do the same thing. My neighbor, a Baptist, does the same thing. Besides, your proclamation is primarily of the organization as salvation, not Jesus alone as our salvation. Proof is not evident in hundreds of carts toting magazines and books soon to be outdated and possibly discarded, but in the power of Holy Spirit and His purpose to use even a few people to accomplish a large task. Zech 4:6,7; Matt 17:11;Rev 11:1-3 The article gives you absolute proof. The quotes from the WT, give you absolute proof. God favors His “special possession”, His priesthood. Yet, right now, they are silenced. He does not “favor” the organization, but He allows it to exist. He is allowing His anointed to be “sifted” by Satan. Luke 22:31 The proof is in scripture. Read 2 Thess 2:1-4. Tell me, how will the “man of lawlessness” “sit” in the Temple of God? The anointed Temple members are “safe” in the Watchtower. 1 Thess 5:3 How will “Gentiles” take over God’s sanctuary in Rev 11:1-3? How will this take place outside of the organization when the anointed are inside? 1 Cor 3:16,17 It is an “inside” operation. If God’s Temple priests are TOLD by men they cannot BOND OR SEEK OUT OTHER ANOINTED ONES, can you see that God’s Temple is “trampled”? Matt 24:15; Dan 8:13 Daniel describes the fourth Beast that tramples God’s saints. The organization is that Beast guided by a false prophet. Dan 7:19; Rev 13:1,11 God's anointed don't just step into heaven. They must be refined and found worthy of serving God. Rev 3:18 They must completely follow Christ's footsteps; persecuted, even losing all loved ones, and considered "dead", which happens when leaving the WT. Matt 19:29; 10:39; John 16:2; Rev 13:15; Rev 2:10 Satan tests each one, and during these last days, the test is the most deceptive he has come up with, since he is about to lose his kingdom. Rev 12:3,4;12:7 The org is his magnificent ruse that is now falling apart at the seams. It really is time to get out. Rev 16:13-15 You said, "Does this mean the ancient prophets were not sent by God to speak on his behalf?" I answered, "NO, why would it?"

TTH “The only reason to oppose such building and organization is to break up, ideally even eliminate, the coordinated preaching work that it facilitates. It is no more complicated than that. Say it plainly, and you will win some respect for frankness. But to mischaracterize operational expense as “abuse” is just too devious.” A "coordinated preaching work" that leads people to be baptized in its name - "Jehovah's organization"? That is devious and abusive to God's Word. A "coordinated preaching work" that introduces people into an organization that hides its sins of child abuse? Most definitely devious and most definitely abusive. A "coordinated preaching work" that uses "state of the art" fancy technology including three video studios because, out of greed, they can't stop building, which takes donated money to operate each new fun thing they build? When does it all stop being spiritually and physically abusive to the average JW, who blindly supports the lie? IT IS ALL VERY DEVIOUS. 2 Thess 2:9-12

No, why would it? He prophesied of the new arrangement of worship – the Temple where he would be its Head and chief cornerstone. Col 1:18; 1 Pet 2:6 Jesus answered and said to them, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.” But He was speaking of the temple of His body.” John 2:19,21 “See! Your house is left to you desolate; 39 for I say to you, you shall see Me no more till you say, ‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord!’ ”Matt 23:38,39 I have proof of what God’s organization is. That is what the article was about…with scriptures. Read it again. Can YOU give ME proof that the Watchtower IS God’s visible organization? This shows how little you know of God’s Temple priesthood and the anointed Body of Christ, Allen. We’ve been down this road before, otherwise I would not end up raising my voice with you...using capital letters. Who is the “chief cornerstone” of your organization? The WT leaders? It cannot be Jesus since the foundation stones of God’s organization are Temple members – the apostles and prophets. Those Temple members are anointed priests, the “royal priesthood” under Christ. They make up the Body of Christ. 1 Pet 2:7; Eph 2:19-22; 1 Pet 2:5,9 That is really a weird request. Are you afraid of my using God’s word to expose truth? We’ll start with "subjective, objective, speculative, using conjecture, being biased, and self-serving": “Representing the royal priesthood are appointed elders, who serve in positions of responsibility in congregations of Jehovah’s people around the earth. These men deserve our respect and wholehearted support, whether they are of the anointed or not. Rather than challenge their authority, we truly appreciate our hardworking elders!” WT 02/8/1 p. 13,14 "In addition, anointed Christians do not view themselves as being part of an elite club. They do not seek out others who claim to have the same calling, hoping to bond with them or endeavoring to form private groups for Bible study". WT 1/16 pg 24 Are you able to conclude from your leader's quotes that God’s priesthood appointed by Him IS NOT USED, AND MUST BE SUBSERVIENT TO A "REPRESENTATIVE" PRIESTHOOD, WHICH PROVES THAT THE GENUINE ORGANIZATION OF GOD IS VEILED BY A COUNTERFEIT – THE WATCHTOWER? 2 Thess 2:3,4 CAN YOU SEE THAT THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT THE BEAST/ORGANIZATION OF REVELATION ACCOMPLISHES? And he was given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies, and he was given authority to continue for forty-two months. 6 Then he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme His name, His tabernacle, and those who dwell in heaven. 7 It was granted to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them. And authority was given him over every tribe, tongue, and nation. The "saints", the anointed, are "overcome"/conquered by blasphemies about THEM. The source of blasphemies is "Jehovah's organization" - a counterfeit, a scam.