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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in WATCHTOWER JANUARY 2020 Study 5.   
    I don't know of any scripture that says Acts 2:17,18 had its end when Jerusalem was destroyed.  
    Mark 9:11,12; Rev 11:1-4; Zech 4:11-14
    Prophets were still to come after the destruction of Jerusalem.  
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in WATCHTOWER JANUARY 2020 Study 5.   
    But God has put the body together, giving greater honor to the parts that lacked it, 25 so that there should be no division in the body, but that its parts should have equal concern for each other. 26 If one part suffers, every part suffers with it; if one part is honored, every part rejoices with it.  1 Cor 12:24b-26
    And He Himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers, 12 for the equipping of the saints for the work of ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ, 13 till we all come to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a perfect man, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ; 14 that we should no longer be children, tossed to and fro and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men, in the cunning craftiness of deceitful plotting, 15 but, speaking the truth in love, may grow up in all things into Him who is the head—Christ— 16 from whom the whole body, joined and knit together by what every joint supplies, according to the effective working by which every part does its share, causes growth of the body for the edifying of itself in love.  Eph 4:11-16
     
    Many others are also understanding what you see concerning the anointed in the organization. 
    I am so grateful you are speaking up about it.
     
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    Witness reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in WATCHTOWER JANUARY 2020 Study 5.   
    I've just been reading the January 2020 Study Watchtower. (Hard copy mag', not online) In particular Study No 5.
    Now my previous comment I wrote 3 hours ago on another topic, before I'd even seen this Study article. And what is this Study article about ?
    It's about the Anointed and WE WILL GO WITH YOU PEOPLE. 
    The 10 men and the Jew. It shows that the 'Jew' are the anointed and the ten men are people that want to serve God properly, with an earthly hope..
    However in para' 2 it says 'However they do not view the anointed as their leaders, realising that Jesus fills the role of Leader'   Keep that in mind.
    In para 7, we find this hint once again basically telling Anointed ones not to meet together  and not to have Bible discussions together. Saying the congregation would not be united if anointed ones 'did those things'.  It also makes a very harsh statement, that the anointed 'would be working against the holy spirit' if they were to do those things. 
    However in para' 8 it tells us about the bible, saying ".but it does not tell us that we can make any human our leader" Remember this too. 
    Para' 10 says " we will never follow others, even those who are anointed or well known or those that have served Jehovah for a long time.  Remember all this.
    Because you should also remember that the GB have said "Jehovah and Jesus trust us (GB) so you should trust us" 
    Para' 12 once again uses the idea of some of the 'anointed' being mentally ill, 
    BUT para 15 is the big one. Quote " Not all who have the hope of living in heaven are part of 'the faithful and discreet slave'  
    It uses the excuse that 'Just as in the first century, Jehovah and Jesus today are using a few brothers to feed, or teach, many. Only a few anointed Christians in the first century were used to write the Christian Greek Scriptures ". 
    What it completely fails to mention is that there were relatively few anointed disciples in the position of being with Christ at the time and therefore having the knowledge to write those things.
    It also fails to note that Paul was more of an 'outsider', not one of the twelve, but Paul was used to write the letters to the congregations. 
    Para 15 goes on to say that " Today only a few anointed Christians have the responsibility to give God's people 'food at the proper time' ".
    That paragraph 15 is so tiny and slyly slipped in there. It's right at the end of the article deliberately to play on the minds of congregants. It has no scriptural backing at all. 
    So the Study article starts off by saying exactly as I have said about the 10 men clinging to the robe of a Jew. It recognises the JEW as being the Anointed.
    It recognises the earthly class as Saying "We want to go with you, for we have heard that God is with you people"
    BUT then it ends the article by saying that only those 8 men are the F&DS. 
    Hypocrisy of the highest order. No scripture in the whole Bible says those 8 men are the F&DS. And no scripture says who the F&DS are. The Governing Body of CCJW have given themselves that title and are still pushing this full tilt on the congregation. 
    The scripture in Acts 2, from verse 14 where Peter implies that they are living in the last days, states that, from v 17,
    ‘“And in the last days,” God says, “I will pour out some of my spirit on every sort of flesh, and your sons and your daughters will prophesy and your young men will see visions and your old men will dream dreams,l 18  and even on my male slaves and on my female slaves I will pour out some of my spirit in those days, and they will prophesy.
    This scripture mentions women as well as men prophesying. It mentions young and old seeing visions and dreaming dreams. BUT it doesn't mention just 8 men that 'study together' (which they don't want other anointed doing)  being the only ones to prophesy. 
    I am grateful to the provider of the magazines i have. It's nice to be able to read it in print. 
     
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    Witness got a reaction from CrownRoyalAD in SPIRIT-DIRECTED ORGANIZATION   
    "I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge" (Rev 20:4)   "If you forgive anyone's sins, their sins are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven." (John 20:23). In the context of the last scripture (John 20:22), Jesus showed how, some are authorized to forgive, or not forgive, sins. It reads; "When He had said this, He breathed on them and said, "Receive the Holy Spirit."   It was the breath of holy spirit, which made them qualified priests, to judge. *But who is it, that judges, today?* Is it God's priests, who have received holy spirit from Christ? No. A different identity has been empowered by "breath"/spirit... to do judging. But it is not by "holy" spirit/breath.   In speaking of what the false prophet does... Rev.13:15 reads; "He was granted to give breath to the image of the beast, so that the image of the beast could both speak and cause all who refused to worship the image of the beast, to be killed."   Can you see that the beast, is given authority to judge and execute, those who refuse to idolize the beast's image? Can you see that the "breath"/spirit, and its' authority to judge, come from the false prophet?   Isn't it interesting, that the governing body has declared from its own mouth, that the WT is "spirit-directed" and it's representative body of "elders", are authorized to judge and condemn to spiritual death, those who refuse to worship the image of the WT as of God?   Rev. 13:11, says of the false prophet, "he had two horns like a lamb, but he spoke like a dragon.". Rev.16:13 helps us to know where the false prophet got the spirit that is in its mouth, which authorizes the WT "elder" to condemn those refusing to idolize the organization they represent. It reads; "Then I saw three unclean spirits like frogs coming from the dragon’s mouth, from the mouth of the false prophet, and from the mouth of the beast".   Satan's empowerment of this Cult, is repeated in many scriptures (2 Thess 2:3-12; Rev 9:1-3), as well as the effect it has on God's people (Matt 24:24,25; Rev 13:7,10; Col 2:8). It is amazing how many details of prophecy are being fulfilled, among them (and us), today.   "If any of you has a grievance against another, how dare he go to law before the unrighteous instead of before the saints! Do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if you are to judge the world, are you not competent to judge trivial cases? Do you not know that we will judge angels? How much more the things of this life!" (1Cor.6:1-3) Pearl Doxsey   ****************************************** Just a sidepoint: I was speaking with a friend about Armageddon a while back, and she had recalled reading in an old dictionary, the term “new skin” attached to the meaning of Armageddon. Out of curiosity, I did a bit of research and came across someone’s description of the Bible’s use of frogs in Rev 16:13. (Rev 16:12-14)   But firstly, the demonic expressions coming from the mouth of the dragon, the Beast from the Sea and the false prophet/Beast from the Earth as “frogs”, indicates a gradual shift from what was truth, to a full-fledged lie. This can be related to the life cycle of a frog beginning as an egg, transforming into a tadpole and finishing off as a completely different looking creature. This change can be expressed in doctrinal adjustments called “new light”, throughout the organization’s history. I’m still running across subtle changes evident in the organization’s literature, that for most JWs go undetected, over their gradual development into a complete lie.   Yet, there are other characteristics of a frog to be considered.   They are cold-blooded. Trampling one’s “brother” into submission to a dual ruler-ship, and subsequently passing judgment as spiritually “dead”, is a cold-hearted act developed and practiced in stricter measures today. (John 13:34,35; Matt 24:12; Luke 21:12; Matt 24:48-51; John 16:2; Rev 13:15)    Frogs inhabit both the land and the sea, and are able to “breathe” or absorb oxygen in both elements. “The dragon stood on the shore of the sea. And I saw a beast coming out of the sea. It had ten horns and seven heads, with ten crowns on its horns, and on each head a blasphemous name.” Rev 13:1 “Then I saw a second beast, coming out of the earth. It had two horns like a lamb, but it spoke like a dragon.” Rev 13:11   And this interesting thought; frogs frequently shed their skin, providing a renewed look, while supporting their ability to breathe easily in water. Old skin is pulled off and eaten. “About once a week, frogs shed their skin. The process begins with the frog doing a lot of twisting, bending, and stretching to loosen the old skin. Then the frog pulls the skin over its head like a sweater and -- usually -- eats it.” https://www.exploratorium.edu/frogs/mainstory/frogstory2.html   The old skin provides the frog with some nourishment, and it is a process of recycling old components to produce new. The organization’s old debunked and modified teachings provided temporary “nourishment” through their life span. How so? Revelation speaks of the Beast from the earth requiring a 'buying and selling' of a restricted diet within its own monopoly of spiritual food. This is produced by the false prophet, that in the long run, only sustains the growth of the idol and those who spearhead its development - the false prophet/Harlot and the Beast she rides. (Rev 8:10,11;13:1,4,7,8,11,16,17; 17:15)    Just as a frog’s old skin disappears, the majority of the younger JWs today are not aware of the old teachings, but only the new progressive format and doctrine. They ‘buy’ into it, with their dedication, service and material goods that sustains the idol/Beast from the Sea. (Rev 13:17)    It takes a lot of “twisting, bending and stretching” for the leaders of the organization to produce new skin, aka “new light”, as the example of the “generation” teaching throughout the years, vividly reveals. 2 Pet 2:1-3     “Announce this to the descendants of Jacob
    and proclaim it in Judah:
    21 Hear this, you foolish and senseless people,
    who have eyes but do not see,
    who have ears but do not hear:
    22 Should you not fear me?” declares the Lord.
    “Should you not tremble in my presence?
    I made the sand a boundary for the sea,
    an everlasting barrier it cannot cross.
    The waves may roll, but they cannot prevail;
    they may roar, but they cannot cross it.
    23 But these people have stubborn and rebellious hearts;
    they have turned aside and gone away.
    24 They do not say to themselves,
    ‘Let us fear the Lord our God,
    who gives autumn and spring rains in season,
    who assures us of the regular weeks of harvest.’
    25 Your wrongdoings have kept these away;
    your sins have deprived you of good. 26 “Among my people are the wicked
    who lie in wait like men who snare birds
    and like those who set traps to catch people.
    27 Like cages full of birds,
    their houses are full of deceit;
    they have become rich and powerful
    28 and have grown fat and sleek.
    Their evil deeds have no limit;
    they do not seek justice.
    They do not promote the case of the fatherless;
    they do not defend the just cause of the poor.
    29 Should I not punish them for this?”
    declares the Lord.
    “Should I not avenge myself
    on such a nation as this? 30 “A horrible and shocking thing
    has happened in the land:
    31 The prophets prophesy lies,
    the priests rule by their own authority,
    and my people love it this way.
    But what will you do in the end? Jer 5:20-31   https://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/ "The Disgusting Thing Standing in the Holy Place" "By this ( love among yourselves ), all will know that you are truly my disciples" “Two Beasts”   “Head wound -vs- Beast wound”  “Generation”  
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in SPIRIT-DIRECTED ORGANIZATION   
    "I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge" (Rev 20:4)   "If you forgive anyone's sins, their sins are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven." (John 20:23). In the context of the last scripture (John 20:22), Jesus showed how, some are authorized to forgive, or not forgive, sins. It reads; "When He had said this, He breathed on them and said, "Receive the Holy Spirit."   It was the breath of holy spirit, which made them qualified priests, to judge. *But who is it, that judges, today?* Is it God's priests, who have received holy spirit from Christ? No. A different identity has been empowered by "breath"/spirit... to do judging. But it is not by "holy" spirit/breath.   In speaking of what the false prophet does... Rev.13:15 reads; "He was granted to give breath to the image of the beast, so that the image of the beast could both speak and cause all who refused to worship the image of the beast, to be killed."   Can you see that the beast, is given authority to judge and execute, those who refuse to idolize the beast's image? Can you see that the "breath"/spirit, and its' authority to judge, come from the false prophet?   Isn't it interesting, that the governing body has declared from its own mouth, that the WT is "spirit-directed" and it's representative body of "elders", are authorized to judge and condemn to spiritual death, those who refuse to worship the image of the WT as of God?   Rev. 13:11, says of the false prophet, "he had two horns like a lamb, but he spoke like a dragon.". Rev.16:13 helps us to know where the false prophet got the spirit that is in its mouth, which authorizes the WT "elder" to condemn those refusing to idolize the organization they represent. It reads; "Then I saw three unclean spirits like frogs coming from the dragon’s mouth, from the mouth of the false prophet, and from the mouth of the beast".   Satan's empowerment of this Cult, is repeated in many scriptures (2 Thess 2:3-12; Rev 9:1-3), as well as the effect it has on God's people (Matt 24:24,25; Rev 13:7,10; Col 2:8). It is amazing how many details of prophecy are being fulfilled, among them (and us), today.   "If any of you has a grievance against another, how dare he go to law before the unrighteous instead of before the saints! Do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if you are to judge the world, are you not competent to judge trivial cases? Do you not know that we will judge angels? How much more the things of this life!" (1Cor.6:1-3) Pearl Doxsey   ****************************************** Just a sidepoint: I was speaking with a friend about Armageddon a while back, and she had recalled reading in an old dictionary, the term “new skin” attached to the meaning of Armageddon. Out of curiosity, I did a bit of research and came across someone’s description of the Bible’s use of frogs in Rev 16:13. (Rev 16:12-14)   But firstly, the demonic expressions coming from the mouth of the dragon, the Beast from the Sea and the false prophet/Beast from the Earth as “frogs”, indicates a gradual shift from what was truth, to a full-fledged lie. This can be related to the life cycle of a frog beginning as an egg, transforming into a tadpole and finishing off as a completely different looking creature. This change can be expressed in doctrinal adjustments called “new light”, throughout the organization’s history. I’m still running across subtle changes evident in the organization’s literature, that for most JWs go undetected, over their gradual development into a complete lie.   Yet, there are other characteristics of a frog to be considered.   They are cold-blooded. Trampling one’s “brother” into submission to a dual ruler-ship, and subsequently passing judgment as spiritually “dead”, is a cold-hearted act developed and practiced in stricter measures today. (John 13:34,35; Matt 24:12; Luke 21:12; Matt 24:48-51; John 16:2; Rev 13:15)    Frogs inhabit both the land and the sea, and are able to “breathe” or absorb oxygen in both elements. “The dragon stood on the shore of the sea. And I saw a beast coming out of the sea. It had ten horns and seven heads, with ten crowns on its horns, and on each head a blasphemous name.” Rev 13:1 “Then I saw a second beast, coming out of the earth. It had two horns like a lamb, but it spoke like a dragon.” Rev 13:11   And this interesting thought; frogs frequently shed their skin, providing a renewed look, while supporting their ability to breathe easily in water. Old skin is pulled off and eaten. “About once a week, frogs shed their skin. The process begins with the frog doing a lot of twisting, bending, and stretching to loosen the old skin. Then the frog pulls the skin over its head like a sweater and -- usually -- eats it.” https://www.exploratorium.edu/frogs/mainstory/frogstory2.html   The old skin provides the frog with some nourishment, and it is a process of recycling old components to produce new. The organization’s old debunked and modified teachings provided temporary “nourishment” through their life span. How so? Revelation speaks of the Beast from the earth requiring a 'buying and selling' of a restricted diet within its own monopoly of spiritual food. This is produced by the false prophet, that in the long run, only sustains the growth of the idol and those who spearhead its development - the false prophet/Harlot and the Beast she rides. (Rev 8:10,11;13:1,4,7,8,11,16,17; 17:15)    Just as a frog’s old skin disappears, the majority of the younger JWs today are not aware of the old teachings, but only the new progressive format and doctrine. They ‘buy’ into it, with their dedication, service and material goods that sustains the idol/Beast from the Sea. (Rev 13:17)    It takes a lot of “twisting, bending and stretching” for the leaders of the organization to produce new skin, aka “new light”, as the example of the “generation” teaching throughout the years, vividly reveals. 2 Pet 2:1-3     “Announce this to the descendants of Jacob
    and proclaim it in Judah:
    21 Hear this, you foolish and senseless people,
    who have eyes but do not see,
    who have ears but do not hear:
    22 Should you not fear me?” declares the Lord.
    “Should you not tremble in my presence?
    I made the sand a boundary for the sea,
    an everlasting barrier it cannot cross.
    The waves may roll, but they cannot prevail;
    they may roar, but they cannot cross it.
    23 But these people have stubborn and rebellious hearts;
    they have turned aside and gone away.
    24 They do not say to themselves,
    ‘Let us fear the Lord our God,
    who gives autumn and spring rains in season,
    who assures us of the regular weeks of harvest.’
    25 Your wrongdoings have kept these away;
    your sins have deprived you of good. 26 “Among my people are the wicked
    who lie in wait like men who snare birds
    and like those who set traps to catch people.
    27 Like cages full of birds,
    their houses are full of deceit;
    they have become rich and powerful
    28 and have grown fat and sleek.
    Their evil deeds have no limit;
    they do not seek justice.
    They do not promote the case of the fatherless;
    they do not defend the just cause of the poor.
    29 Should I not punish them for this?”
    declares the Lord.
    “Should I not avenge myself
    on such a nation as this? 30 “A horrible and shocking thing
    has happened in the land:
    31 The prophets prophesy lies,
    the priests rule by their own authority,
    and my people love it this way.
    But what will you do in the end? Jer 5:20-31   https://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/ "The Disgusting Thing Standing in the Holy Place" "By this ( love among yourselves ), all will know that you are truly my disciples" “Two Beasts”   “Head wound -vs- Beast wound”  “Generation”  
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in ARE JWS A "PRIVILEGED" PEOPLE?   
    It seems the circumstances that prompts disfellowshipped JWs to return to the organization are usually after suffering severe hardships from one’s life choices, or the longing to return to family and friends. It could also be the loss of status and recognition no longer received on the outside. Often, it is a combination of all these reasons.   As I listened to a short clip of a circuit overseer’s account relating his choice and experience upon leaving the organization when young, it was apparent that he left for selfish reasons; and, he returned for selfish reasons. There was no awakening to the organization’s falsehoods and hypocrisy, no seeking truth through Jesus Christ, but purely his motivation was to experience the world of drugs and immorality, which brought him to the brink of collapse. This was not the difficult road to finding truth that many experience when leaving the WT, but an alternative fork in Satan’s deceptive world, leading to hardship. (Matt 5:10,11; 7:14)    Before doing this, he had been a regular pioneer, a title that comes with status, and was supported fully by his family through his development process of becoming a baptized JW. He stated his return came with discipline through guidance of ‘loving’ elders. He mentioned that this discipline ‘molded and trained’ him…to accomplish what? As he said; ultimately, he received “privileges and service” that he would never have imagined.   I thought of the frequent use of the word, ‘privilege’ found in the magazines. Just quickly searching for it on the JW website, brought up 3,891 hits. I tend to bristle at the organization’s use of this word, since it relays a sense of superiority, from the elite leadership, down to its members. (Matt 20:26,27; 23:12; Phil 2:3,4)  The apostles and anointed throughout time, suffered affliction repeatedly, while under service to God and their Master. (Acts 7:57-70; 1 Cor 4:11-13; 2 Cor 11:23-29; 1 Pet 4:12; Heb 10:32; 2 Tim 3:12)   The peace and love they experienced was amidst those conditions, which is completely contrary to this man’s experience. Likewise, those who leave this Beast/organization and its “false prophet” to serve the Father whole-souled, suffer persecution from their own spiritual and fleshly family members. Jesus predicted that any who obey his teachings and follow him, would expect such treatment from their own people. (Luke 10:25-28; Matt 5:10,11;10:38; John 15:18; Luke 21:12; John 16:2; Heb 13:13; 2 Tim 3:12; Rev 13:15) 
    The type of privileges and service the overseer and thousands like him enjoy, is not related to serving God; but related to serving men and their disciplinary rules necessary to run an earthly organization – a religious idol. (Rom 1:25; Rev 13:1,2,4,11,12,16,17)    The English word, “privilege” can be defined as “a special right, advantage, or immunity granted or available only to a particular person or group.” Contrast that with the Bible’s use of the word, “charis” (Rom 12:6) which many translations do define as “privilege”; yet, its primary application is “graciousness…especially the divine influence upon the heart and its reflection in the life; including gratitude”. Basically, it is the gift of divine favor, grace and its benefit. Through the anointed Body of Christ, these gifts of the Spirit benefit all believers in Christ. (1 Cor 12:4-7; 1 Cor 4:1; 2 Cor 5:20; Eph 4:29)    Who bestowed the “privilege” of bearing the title of elder and circuit overseer on this man? God? Although it is said that Holy Spirit plays a hand in deciding who becomes an elder, they are appointed through a system of recommendations by a body of elders and circuit overseers. On the other hand, an anointing by God, which is an appointment of service under Christ, involves no other person but the individual receiving the outpouring of Holy Spirit. (John 15:16; Rom 5:5; 8:16,28; 1 John 2:27; Gal 1:11,12) While this appointment by the Father is both subtly attacked and ignored in the organization, man’s choice of who are to shepherd, is heightened and honored. (Jer 23:1,2)    The circuit overseer calls elders “trained spiritual doctors”. (Jer 8:11) This type of verbiage is just what JWs willingly respond to. I’ve heard many members fully defend the elder body, while giving little notice to the anointed in their congregations, whose spiritual “molding” and training is to be received directly from God and their Head, Jesus Christ. (2 Cor 4:7; Eph 2:10; Phil 2:13; Heb 13:20,21)    Yet, the majority of God’s called ones, also defend the power and privilege of those who rule over them. The “divine influence on the heart” of an anointed one is the receiving of God’s laws as His priest. No JW can see this with their spiritual perception, let alone with their literal eyes; thus, these laws lay unheeded in the anointed heart. An anointed one is not sought after to teach the people. (Mal 2:7; 1 Pet 2:5,9; Heb 8:10) JWs see the training of elders through regulations and protocol outlined by the organization, which takes precedence over the laws of God fulfilled in Christ. (Matt 5:17-20; Mark 7:7,8; Col 2:20,21; Eph 4:14; Gal 1:11,12) This is exactly what Satan desires them to see. (2 Thes 2:3,4,9-12; Rev 13:1-4)    "When Jesus describes which of his slaves are rewarded in the life to come, he portrays them...
    NOT as men who have already honored themselves or one another....
    but as men that wait for Jesus himself to judge and honor them...when he returns.
    (see Matt.25:19,20,21)
      Now I must tell you, that although Jesus taught us to lower ourselves and not to accept glorifying titles.....
    "Jehovah's Witnesses" ARE GUILTY OF THIS.
    They may not use the title "Reverend", but they do use the titles of "elder", "overseer", Pioneer", etc.
    all of which bestow undeserved honor. To learn FROM THE BIBLE who deserves to be called an "older man" and "overseer", is to realize that those who carry these titles, do so without scriptural backing. They may believe that they fulfill the scriptural qualifications (1Tim.3:1-9) for these titles, but they believe so in their ignorance. They do not dig deep enough into the Bible, to see who these "overseers" really are (1Pet.5:2; Deut.15:10; Isa.65:22).  The word "pioneer" or "governing body" is not in the Bible (Gal.1:15,16,17,11,12; Mark10:42,43), nor their designations, nor their positions (Matt.6:1,2,3,4). Pearl Doxsey, "Accepting Titles"   The man in the video said he “poured his heart out to Jehovah” in prayer, wanting to return to him. In truth, his return was to the same spiritually corrupt religious system he had left; this time to rise in rank as an integral element in the “trampling” of God’s Temple priesthood, resulting in truth of God’s Word in Christ, being cast “to the ground”. (Dan 8:10-12;Matt 24:15; 2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 9:3-5; 13:5-7; 11:1,2)  This is also due to God’s priests, bending their backs to those who bear titles approved by men. (Ezek 44:6-9; Mal 2:8,9; Jer 3:12; Hos 14:1,2;Isa 51:1,7; Jer 1:19; 23; 1 Cor 7:23; Gal 1:10)      Jer 8:4-13 - “Say to them, ‘This is what the Lord says: “‘When people fall down, do they not get up?
    When someone turns away, do they not return?
    5 Why then have these people turned away?
    Why does Jerusalem always turn away?
    They cling to deceit;
    they refuse to return.
    6 I have listened attentively,
    but they do not say what is right.
    None of them repent of their wickedness,
    saying, “What have I done?”
    Each pursues their own course
    like a horse charging into battle.
    7 Even the stork in the sky
    knows her appointed seasons,
    and the dove, the swift and the thrush
    observe the time of their migration.
    But my people do not know
    the requirements of the Lord. 8 “‘How can you say, “We are wise,
    for we have the law of the Lord,”
    when actually the lying pen of the scribes
    has handled it falsely?
    9 The wise will be put to shame;
    they will be dismayed and trapped.
    Since they have rejected the word of the Lord,
    what kind of wisdom do they have?
    10 Therefore I will give their wives to other men
    and their fields to new owners.
    From the least to the greatest,
    all are greedy for gain;
    prophets and priests alike,
    all practice deceit.
    11 They dress the wound of my people
    as though it were not serious.
    “Peace, peace,” they say,
    when there is no peace.
    12 Are they ashamed of their detestable conduct?
    No, they have no shame at all;
    they do not even know how to blush.
    So they will fall among the fallen;
    they will be brought down when they are punished,
    says the Lord. 13 “‘I will take away their harvest,
    declares the Lord.
    There will be no grapes on the vine.
    There will be no figs on the tree,
    and their leaves will wither.
    What I have given them
    will be taken from them.’”   At https://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/ Where is the "True Religion" -- Christ's Body -- God's Temple?  “Superiority? No..., not for any one of us” - Are Elders Spirit-Appointed? - The Anointing Teaches Truth--How? / The "Refining Pot" / Who should partake, and when? / "Tribulation" Foolish Virgins - Holy Spirit at work / The "Token"     
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    Witness reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in Coronavirus: Jehovah’s Witnesses Cancel Historical Evangelism In UK   
    Matthew 24 v 4 through 8.
     In answer Jesus said to them: “Look out that nobody misleads you,e 5  for many will come on the basis of my name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will mislead many.f 6  You are going to hear of wars and reports of wars. See that you are not alarmed, for these things must take place, but the end is not yet.g7  “For nation will rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom,h and there will be food shortagesi and earthquakes in one place after another.j 8  All these things are a beginning of pangs of distress.
    Luke 21 v 9 through 11.
     Furthermore, when you hear of wars and disturbances,* do not be terrified. For these things must take place first, but the end will not occur immediately.”j10  Then he said to them: “Nation will rise against nation,k and kingdom against kingdom.l 11  There will be great earthquakes, and in one place after another food shortages and pestilences;m and there will be fearful sights and from heaven great signs.
    I think @JW Insider  said that the so called signs were actually just the opposite. They are things not to get excited about, because it gives false hope. 
    And as I've said before Jesus warned against those looking for 'signs'. Looking for physical signs is showing a physical viewpoint not a spiritual viewpoint. 
    Surely there are many things to happen between now and the Judgement. 
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in The 1000 year reign   
    No, I am not deliberately deceiving Kosonen.  And you left off verse 9.
    I'll read it from the NKJV if you like:
    "Now when the thousand years have expired, Satan will be released from his prison 
    8 and will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle, whose number is as the sand of the sea. 
    9 They went up on the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city. And fire came down from God out of heaven and devoured them.
    Gathered and surrounded.  Gathered like a fish caught in a net, then surrounded by false teachings and the threat that they will be "killed" if they speak against doctrine.  Rev 16:13,14; 13:15
    Col 2:8
    Then he (Beast from the Sea/organization) opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme His name, His tabernacle, and those who dwell in heaven. 7 It was granted to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them. And authority was given him over every tribe, tongue, and nation. 8 All who dwell on the earth will worship him, whose names have not been written in the Book of Life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
    9 If anyone has an ear, let him hear. 10 He who leads into captivity shall go into captivity; he who kills with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.
    Saints represent the anointed ones, God's "holy" people:  https://www.biblegateway.com/quicksearch/?qs_version=NKJV&quicksearch=saints&begin=73&end=73
    You're telling me that Revelation will change the meaning of "saints" from the anointed, to all JWs, to accommodate the lie of a thousand years of "peace" and judgment that will happen after Armageddon.  Do you realize how confusing this teaching can be?  Each day of your peace in paradise is a day of judgment.  And, you will also be judged at the end of the thousand years.  Besides that, you are being judged NOW as worthy to enter this new judgment period.  I am beginning to sound like Stephen Lett (the last of the last of last days...)
    In a sense, you are right in one thing, not only are the saints from every nation of the world surrounded, but as Rev 13:7 states, the Beast/organization was given authority over people from every tribe, tongue and nation - all JWs.
    7 od chap. 16 pp. 162-168 - Organized (od)   "In view of the many divisive factors that exist today, who would ever have thought it possible to unite people “out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues”? (Rev. 7:9)
    7 It was granted to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them. And authority was given him over every tribe, tongue, and nation. 
    Satan's deceptive plan to "surround the saints" and all who fall for this master plan, is staring you right in the face.
    (We've been over the fact that Rev 7:9 is speaking of the anointed serving in God's Temple  Rev 7:15)
    Rev 10:8-11:  Then the voice which I heard from heaven spoke to me again and said, “Go, take the little book which is open in the hand of the angel who stands on the sea and on the earth.”
    9 So I went to the angel and said to him, “Give me the little book.”
    And he said to me, “Take and eat it; and it will make your stomach bitter, but it will be as sweet as honey in your mouth.”
    10 Then I took the little book out of the angel’s hand and ate it, and it was as sweet as honey in my mouth. But when I had eaten it, my stomach became bitter. 11 And he said to me, “You must prophesy again about many peoples, nations, tongues, and kings.”    The "kings of the earth" and those JWs who reside with them.  (Rev 1:5)
    The initial invitation to the WT teachings seems as sweet as honey, until one wakes up to its charades, which is a bitter experience. 
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    Witness got a reaction from Arauna in Coronavirus: Jehovah’s Witnesses Cancel Historical Evangelism In UK   
    It doesn't take any sort of organized religion to develop a relationship with God and Christ.  John 4:23,24  Many cults boast of an "international brotherhood", as did the Nazis.  Efficient worldwide preaching work is not spiritually efficient, if it is laced with lies, that have their source from the leader's mouths. Matt 7:15-20; Rev 16:13,14 Why would anyone desire to lead people into such a trap, a trap that is called, "truth" when it is not, and never has been, pure truth?  
    Jer 8:17; Matt 24:24; John 8:44
     
     
     
     
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    Witness reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in Coronavirus: Jehovah’s Witnesses Cancel Historical Evangelism In UK   
    Point 1. God does not need telling HE already knows. My prayers to God ask HIM to bring forth a clean people for HIM to use. 
    God used the Nation of Israel for a couple of reasons. The main reason was to being forth Jesus Christ. 
    But as I've said before, and of course I'm ignored for it, people were BORN INTO the Nation of Israel so they did NOT CHOSE to be Iraelites. Hence it was not voluntary.  Do you not understand that ?
    And therefore do you not understand the big difference ?  JW's volunteer TO BE JWs. It is a personal choice, a choice which Israelites did not have. 
    There is no comparison between the Nation of Israel  and the CCJW in that way. 
    But one thing, the Nation of Israel got punished for disobeying God. They got punished for offering their children in the fire. They got punished for worshipping false gods. 
    So if you really think the CCJW is God's chosen organisation, and if you really think it compares to the Nation of Israel, then I suggest to you that you get ready for the CCJW to be punished by God. 
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Coronavirus: Jehovah’s Witnesses Cancel Historical Evangelism In UK   
    When thinking of the necessity of "new light"; which WT history shows was never "light" at all, (i.e. this generation teaching), I remembered Jesus' words at  Matt 5:37
    37 But let your statement be ‘Yes, yes; no, no,’ and anything beyond these is from the evil one.
    Seriously, God and Christ both, don't have anything to do with any supposed "light" that the Wt. may attempt to shine.  
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Coronavirus: Jehovah’s Witnesses Cancel Historical Evangelism In UK   
    When thinking of the necessity of "new light"; which WT history shows was never "light" at all, (i.e. this generation teaching), I remembered Jesus' words at  Matt 5:37
    37 But let your statement be ‘Yes, yes; no, no,’ and anything beyond these is from the evil one.
    Seriously, God and Christ both, don't have anything to do with any supposed "light" that the Wt. may attempt to shine.  
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Coronavirus: Jehovah’s Witnesses Cancel Historical Evangelism In UK   
    It doesn't take any sort of organized religion to develop a relationship with God and Christ.  John 4:23,24  Many cults boast of an "international brotherhood", as did the Nazis.  Efficient worldwide preaching work is not spiritually efficient, if it is laced with lies, that have their source from the leader's mouths. Matt 7:15-20; Rev 16:13,14 Why would anyone desire to lead people into such a trap, a trap that is called, "truth" when it is not, and never has been, pure truth?  
    Jer 8:17; Matt 24:24; John 8:44
     
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Coronavirus: Jehovah’s Witnesses Cancel Historical Evangelism In UK   
    "Constant feature" - And from the time the regular burnt offering is removed and the abomination that causes desolation is set up there will be one thousand two hundred and ninety days.
    "From the time the daily sacrifice is abolished and the abomination of desolation is set up, there will be 1,290 days"
    Who performed "burnt offerings" in the earthly temple on a regular, constant, basis?  
    Who are to give "sacrifices of praise" today?  Heb 13:14,15
    Who acts as "priests"/clergy in the organization today, by "representing"  God's true priesthood?  1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16
    And you must say to the rebellious, to the house of Israel, ‘Thus says the Lord YHWH: “Enough for you, house of Israel, of all of your detestable things! 7 At your bringing foreigners who are uncircumcised of heart and uncircumcised of flesh to be in my sanctuary to profane it, my temple, as you offered my food, fat, and blood, so you broke my covenant by all of your detestable things. 8 And you did not observe the responsibility of my sanctuary, but you appointed them as the keepers of my responsibility in my sanctuary for you.”  Ezek 44:6-9
    The "constant feature" has been removed.  The "abomination"/ "disgusting thing" is the elder body in the organization.
    “But when you see the abomination of desolation standing where it should not be” (let the one who reads understand), “then those in Judea must flee to the mountains!"  Mark 13:14 
    Who has the power to judge God's anointed priesthood?  To "kill" them?  To "kill" any who reject this abomination and their lies?  Rev 13:15
    Do not let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, 4 who opposes and who exalts himself over every so-called god or object of worship, so that he sits down in the temple of God, proclaiming that he himself is God. 2 Thess 2:3,4
    Do you realize what the temple of God is?  
    Consequently, therefore, you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but you are fellow citizens of the saints and members of the household of God, 20 built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the cornerstone,21 in whom the whole building, joined together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord, 22 in whom you also are built up together into a dwelling place of God in the Spirit.  Eph 2:19-22
    If you are truly an anointed one, YOU are part of that temple.  1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17
     
     
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    Witness reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in Coronavirus: Jehovah’s Witnesses Cancel Historical Evangelism In UK   
    Meanwhile here in the UK, Boris the PM has just announced a sort of 'lock down' on all of us.  As of tonight we are basically grounded. Not a strong enough 'lock down' in my opinion but then modern day UK PMs are never strong enough to get a job done. 
    Meanwhile I notice that TTH is more concerned about money than human sufferings. And as for the CCJW still pumping out their 'talks' etc, so what ?  Lies are lies and deceit is still deceit whether by word of mouth live, or by relayed internet or other tech'.  Makes no difference if you are all still singing to the same tune, if the song does not serve God. 
    @JW Insider I think you totally avoided what i said to waffle on about other things. Why even bother to quote me if you don't actually want to answer what i asked ? 
    You did make it quite clear though that the CCJW is built on a crumbling foundation. In fact the CCJW is built on a foundation of lies and deceit. For you to say it does not matter now, well that is your opinion of course.  It only does not matter to new members that never knew the previous lies and misused scriptures. 
    I'll repeat @Srecko Sostar 
    It can be so for new and coming generations of JW members ( younger in age and who are not so long time in organization). Older members try/tried to cope with issue and found few methods how to deal with wrong faith doctrine. 
    More serious "problem" not gone, and will stay "forever". To give and show trust in GB leaders, because Jesus also trust GB. :)) 
    Thank you Srecko, very true words. 
    @JW Insider  Your list of 4 points proves very clearly that your GB are not the 'Faithful and Discreet Slave'. 
    You have proven by your own words how wicked they are. 
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    Witness reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in Coronavirus: Jehovah’s Witnesses Cancel Historical Evangelism In UK   
    Quote @JW Insider "No one should be able to say, oh look at this war, "See here!" it is the greatest war ever seen, or "Look at this great earthquake, or famine, or pestilence, "
    But isn't that what the GB and CCJW do ?   Don't they misuse the sufferings of others to hype up their own agenda ? 
    Didn't a GB member say he was not bothered by this virus and that  'we were expecting it to happen' as part of a sign of the end times ? 
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in "THERE'S MORE MONEY GOING OUT, THAN COMING IN"...Except for Stephen Lett   
    This is what it's about @Arauna  The same man who flips property out of an insatiable appetite of accumulating earthly treasures, is the same man who tells JWs to dig deep in their pockets to support his other dream - building his "kingdom" projects.  
    By the way, it appears that Lett may have also bought property very close to Warwick. 
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    Witness reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in "THERE'S MORE MONEY GOING OUT, THAN COMING IN"...Except for Stephen Lett   
    He did ... he owns a huge piece of wooded property where the road that serves Warwick HQ Tees into the main State road .... PERFECT for motels, gas stations, or a strip mall.  This can be researched through county courthouse records on line.
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Such compassion and love...   
    I have an exjw friend in Brazil who is still friends with many JWs. (She's not disfellowshipped and not officially shunned as yet)  This is what she is hearing; the translation is slightly glitchy.  
    "I heard that the governing body is quarantined. The JWs here are now confused, because they thought that the governing body was going to reassure them saying that nothing would affect them, they stopped preaching even by phone, look they said that nothing stopped preaching".
     
    I was interested in Lett's use of Isa 30:15 to assure JWs not to "panic".  
    "For this is what the Sovereign Lord Jehovah, the Holy One of Israel, says:“By returning to me and resting, you will be saved;Your strength will be in keeping calm and showing trust.”
    Don't JWs believe they "returned" to God?  As a JW, I believed God would protect all JWs during the physical translations of the signs of the end in Matt 24.  Obviously, this is what other JWs believe today, as they die from the very "sign" that was to come upon unbelievers in the world.  
    Isa 30:15 ENDS by saying..."But you were unwilling".
    Men and their organization make false promises, that are beginning to confuse their listeners.  Hopefully, this will be a wake-up call for many.  
    “‘Because they lead my people astray, saying, “Peace,” when there is no peace, and because, when a flimsy wall is built, they cover it with whitewash, 11 therefore tell those who cover it with whitewash that it is going to fall. Rain will come in torrents, and I will send hailstones hurtling down, and violent winds will burst forth. 12 When the wall collapses, will people not ask you, “Where is the whitewash you covered it with?”  Ezek 13:10-12
     
     
     
     
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    Witness reacted to Jack Ryan in Such compassion and love...   
    How many of you now will go back and join this psycopath after this quarantine is over?
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in Such compassion and love...   
    This character is self-righteous. This way of saying how someone else's accident, illness and death need to exist in order to feed his believes and faith, to feel "right" about religious interpretations he offers as a leader of JW church.
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in "THERE'S MORE MONEY GOING OUT, THAN COMING IN"...Except for Stephen Lett   
    I can't imagine even one exjw being jealous of Stephen Lett.  It's not about jealously.  It's about hypocrisy, which is the opposite of righteousness.  
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in "THERE'S MORE MONEY GOING OUT, THAN COMING IN"...Except for Stephen Lett   
    I can't imagine even one exjw being jealous of Stephen Lett.  It's not about jealously.  It's about hypocrisy, which is the opposite of righteousness.  
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in "THERE'S MORE MONEY GOING OUT, THAN COMING IN"...Except for Stephen Lett   
    I don't believe the maker of the video was showing jealousy; but instead, he was showing your leader  up as a hypocrite.  As this video also shows, about the vow of poverty that all in Bethel are under, including the governing body.
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in "THERE'S MORE MONEY GOING OUT, THAN COMING IN"...Except for Stephen Lett   
    I don't believe the maker of the video was showing jealousy; but instead, he was showing your leader  up as a hypocrite.  As this video also shows, about the vow of poverty that all in Bethel are under, including the governing body.
     
     
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