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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in All Eight Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses members are now individually named on two New York Child Victims Act case documents   
    I have no problem.  But, apparently you cannot decipher what the WT is telling you.
    WT, 1/2016:  "They DO NOT SEEK OUT OTHERS who claim to have the same calling, HOPING TO BOND WITH THEM or endeavoring to form private groups for Bible study" =  the Body is to remain APART AND DIVIDED.
    1 Cor 12:25:  "That there should be NO SCHISM ("DIVISION, SPLIT, RENT, DISSENSION") in the body, but that the members should have the same care for one another." = The Body is to BOND TOGETHER 
    Who have the authority to judge the faith of another, including the anointed ones?  Who has the authority to judge one as spiritually "dead", including the anointed ones?  Who disfellowships individuals for answering only to Christ and not the GB?  WHO MAKES THE JUDGMENT CALL CONCERNING ANOTHER'S STANDING BEFORE GOD?
    Wouldn't you say that the elders, as a majority, feel privileged to possess the power given them to judge another in place of Christ?  After all, the WT calls it a "privilege" to serve "God" in this way.  Dan 8:24,25
    Again Anna, what will you believe, men's doctrine or God's word?
    "Who are you to judge another’s servant? To his own master he stands or falls. Indeed, he will be made to stand, for God is able to make him stand."  Rom 14:4
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Malum Intellectus in All Eight Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses members are now individually named on two New York Child Victims Act case documents   
    Don't you see that scripture contradicts this ordinance made by men?  If the anointed were to "gather" as the elder body and helpers "gather", what do you think might happen?  Another point of view that would threaten the GB's teachings?  
    Wouldn't you say the helpers and GB gather "exclusively?"   And, if they can do it, why not God's anointed ones?  
    The point is the GB are afraid their leadership will be challenged by a united body of anointed ones.  So, they are not to BOND TOGETHER, as the 1/2016 WT stated.   The GB have separated from their Head, Christ, "puffed up" in their "fleshy minds" that they must have total control over the anointed.  Col 2:18,19
    No anointed one is to wield authority over another. 1 Cor 12 expresses that clearly.  You may just want to read it.    There is only one Master that the anointed are to answer to, Jesus Christ.
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    Witness got a reaction from Malum Intellectus in All Eight Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses members are now individually named on two New York Child Victims Act case documents   
    "Elite club" comes from the sarcastic mouths of an "elite" leadership.  
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in All Eight Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses members are now individually named on two New York Child Victims Act case documents   
    There is to be no division in the anointed Body of Christ.  1 Cor 12:25  I posted 1 Cor 12:13-25 in my comment; just now added the scripture link it came from.
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    Witness got a reaction from Malum Intellectus in All Eight Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses members are now individually named on two New York Child Victims Act case documents   
    Anna, YOU are missing the point.  
     In addition, anointed Christians do not view themselves as being part of an elite club. They do not seek out others who claim to have the same calling, hoping to bond with them or endeavoring to form private groups for Bible study. (Gal. 1:15-17) Such efforts would cause divisions within the congregation and work against the holy spirit, which promotes peace and unity.   wt 1/2016, "We Want to Go With You"
    No bonding, no studying with other anointed ones.  This is oppression of a people.  This is men telling other people how to worship God, and these people are God's "special possession".  1 Pet 2:5,9  This is men acting as false "christs".  Matt 24:24  It is more important to uphold the unity of an earthly organization than to allow unity among spiritual "Israel".  
    The Body of Christ:
    Just as a body, though one, has many parts, but all its many parts form one body, so it is with Christ. 13 For we were all baptized by one Spirit so as to form one body—whether Jews or Gentiles, slave or free—and we were all given the one Spirit to drink. 14 Even so the body is not made up of one part but of many.
    15 Now if the foot should say, “Because I am not a hand, I do not belong to the body,” it would not for that reason stop being part of the body. 16 And if the ear should say, “Because I am not an eye, I do not belong to the body,” it would not for that reason stop being part of the body. 17 If the whole body were an eye, where would the sense of hearing be? If the whole body were an ear, where would the sense of smell be? 18 But in fact God has placed the parts in the body, every one of them, just as he wanted them to be. 19 If they were all one part, where would the body be? 20 As it is, there are many parts, but one body.
    21 The eye cannot say to the hand, “I don’t need you!” And the head cannot say to the feet, “I don’t need you!” 22 On the contrary, those parts of the body that seem to be weaker are indispensable, 23 and the parts that we think are less honorable we treat with special honor. And the parts that are unpresentable are treated with special modesty, 24 while our presentable parts need no special treatment. But God has put the body together, giving greater honor to the parts that lacked it, 25 so that there should be no division in the body, but that its parts should have equal concern for each other. 26 If one part suffers, every part suffers with it; if one part is honored, every part rejoices with it.
    27 Now you are the body of Christ, and each one of you is a part of it. 28 And God has placed in the church first of all apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then miracles, then gifts of healing, of helping, of guidance, and of different kinds of tongues. 29 Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Do all work miracles? 30 Do all have gifts of healing? Do all speak in tongues? Do all interpret? 31 Now eagerly desire the greater gifts.  1 Cor 12:12-31
    Can an anointed one in the organization "suffer" , "rejoice", with another anointed if they can't seek them out?  The sad thing about this, is the majority of the anointed allow it to happen.  
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in All Eight Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses members are now individually named on two New York Child Victims Act case documents   
    Don't you see that scripture contradicts this ordinance made by men?  If the anointed were to "gather" as the elder body and helpers "gather", what do you think might happen?  Another point of view that would threaten the GB's teachings?  
    Wouldn't you say the helpers and GB gather "exclusively?"   And, if they can do it, why not God's anointed ones?  
    The point is the GB are afraid their leadership will be challenged by a united body of anointed ones.  So, they are not to BOND TOGETHER, as the 1/2016 WT stated.   The GB have separated from their Head, Christ, "puffed up" in their "fleshy minds" that they must have total control over the anointed.  Col 2:18,19
    No anointed one is to wield authority over another. 1 Cor 12 expresses that clearly.  You may just want to read it.    There is only one Master that the anointed are to answer to, Jesus Christ.
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in All Eight Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses members are now individually named on two New York Child Victims Act case documents   
    "Elite club" comes from the sarcastic mouths of an "elite" leadership.  
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in All Eight Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses members are now individually named on two New York Child Victims Act case documents   
    Anna, YOU are missing the point.  
     In addition, anointed Christians do not view themselves as being part of an elite club. They do not seek out others who claim to have the same calling, hoping to bond with them or endeavoring to form private groups for Bible study. (Gal. 1:15-17) Such efforts would cause divisions within the congregation and work against the holy spirit, which promotes peace and unity.   wt 1/2016, "We Want to Go With You"
    No bonding, no studying with other anointed ones.  This is oppression of a people.  This is men telling other people how to worship God, and these people are God's "special possession".  1 Pet 2:5,9  This is men acting as false "christs".  Matt 24:24  It is more important to uphold the unity of an earthly organization than to allow unity among spiritual "Israel".  
    The Body of Christ:
    Just as a body, though one, has many parts, but all its many parts form one body, so it is with Christ. 13 For we were all baptized by one Spirit so as to form one body—whether Jews or Gentiles, slave or free—and we were all given the one Spirit to drink. 14 Even so the body is not made up of one part but of many.
    15 Now if the foot should say, “Because I am not a hand, I do not belong to the body,” it would not for that reason stop being part of the body. 16 And if the ear should say, “Because I am not an eye, I do not belong to the body,” it would not for that reason stop being part of the body. 17 If the whole body were an eye, where would the sense of hearing be? If the whole body were an ear, where would the sense of smell be? 18 But in fact God has placed the parts in the body, every one of them, just as he wanted them to be. 19 If they were all one part, where would the body be? 20 As it is, there are many parts, but one body.
    21 The eye cannot say to the hand, “I don’t need you!” And the head cannot say to the feet, “I don’t need you!” 22 On the contrary, those parts of the body that seem to be weaker are indispensable, 23 and the parts that we think are less honorable we treat with special honor. And the parts that are unpresentable are treated with special modesty, 24 while our presentable parts need no special treatment. But God has put the body together, giving greater honor to the parts that lacked it, 25 so that there should be no division in the body, but that its parts should have equal concern for each other. 26 If one part suffers, every part suffers with it; if one part is honored, every part rejoices with it.
    27 Now you are the body of Christ, and each one of you is a part of it. 28 And God has placed in the church first of all apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then miracles, then gifts of healing, of helping, of guidance, and of different kinds of tongues. 29 Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Do all work miracles? 30 Do all have gifts of healing? Do all speak in tongues? Do all interpret? 31 Now eagerly desire the greater gifts.  1 Cor 12:12-31
    Can an anointed one in the organization "suffer" , "rejoice", with another anointed if they can't seek them out?  The sad thing about this, is the majority of the anointed allow it to happen.  
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in All Eight Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses members are now individually named on two New York Child Victims Act case documents   
    "Elite club" comes from the sarcastic mouths of an "elite" leadership.  
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    Witness reacted to AlanF in All Eight Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses members are now individually named on two New York Child Victims Act case documents   
    But you continue to miss the crucial point: the anointed are not supposed to get together and discuss spiritual things.
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in All Eight Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses members are now individually named on two New York Child Victims Act case documents   
    Somehow you missed how the elders judged the victim, a 14 year old girl, as the one to be blamed.  
    Depends on the laws at the time?  What about God's laws fulfilled in Christ?  
    For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”  Gal 5:14
    Did the elders enact that law when speaking with the victim?
    The first to respond to the issue were the elders, whose response only added to the trauma the victim was suffering.  The biggest flaw here, is the system that the girl depended on to give her spiritual support.  The elders' "hasty decision" aided the woman to consider suicide.  
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in All Eight Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses members are now individually named on two New York Child Victims Act case documents   
    Somehow you missed how the elders judged the victim, a 14 year old girl, as the one to be blamed.  
    Depends on the laws at the time?  What about God's laws fulfilled in Christ?  
    For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”  Gal 5:14
    Did the elders enact that law when speaking with the victim?
    The first to respond to the issue were the elders, whose response only added to the trauma the victim was suffering.  The biggest flaw here, is the system that the girl depended on to give her spiritual support.  The elders' "hasty decision" aided the woman to consider suicide.  
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    Witness got a reaction from AlanF in All Eight Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses members are now individually named on two New York Child Victims Act case documents   
    Somehow you missed how the elders judged the victim, a 14 year old girl, as the one to be blamed.  
    Depends on the laws at the time?  What about God's laws fulfilled in Christ?  
    For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”  Gal 5:14
    Did the elders enact that law when speaking with the victim?
    The first to respond to the issue were the elders, whose response only added to the trauma the victim was suffering.  The biggest flaw here, is the system that the girl depended on to give her spiritual support.  The elders' "hasty decision" aided the woman to consider suicide.  
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in All Eight Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses members are now individually named on two New York Child Victims Act case documents   
    Highlights and caps are mine. 
    Arauna, I thought you might be interested in this latest news article.  While your statement above appears to show leniency to the perpetrator, please see how this woman as a young girl, was judged by the elders.  
    Man who raped Jehovah's Witness girls sentenced to 5 years in prison
    "It’s finally over. This chapter is finally closed," Moriah Hughes, who was 14 when then-25-year-old Elihu Rodriguez sexually abused her, said.
     
    Nov. 20, 2019, 9:49 AM PST By Elizabeth Chuck A man who pleaded guilty to raping two underage girls he met through the Jehovah's Witness congregation they all belonged to has been sentenced to five years in prison — a "relief" to his victims.
    Elihu Rodriguez, 32, of Yakima, Washington, was given five years, the maximum sentence prosecutors had asked for, after Rodriguez pleaded guilty to three felony counts of child rape in the third degree in September. He was also ordered to register as a sex offender. Both of his victims attended the sentencing, which took place Friday at the King County Maleng Regional Justice Center in Kent, Washington.
    NBC News does not typically identify survivors of sexual abuse, but one of Rodriguez's victims, Moriah Hughes, chose to share her story last year. She said she had been five days away from turning 15 when Rodriguez, then 25, first raped her in October 2012 at her home in Federal Way, Washington.
    Hughes told NBC News after Rodriguez was sentenced that she "felt fantastic" knowing he was going to be behind bars.
    "It’s finally over. This chapter is finally closed," she said. "I can continue my life knowing that the trauma was worth it. I didn’t go through this for nothing. I was justified."
     
    At Rodriguez's sentencing, Hughes described to the court how her life was "completely derailed" by the abuse. Through tears, she said religious leaders put the blame on her, and said, “my life was hell.”
    "I couldn’t sleep, I couldn’t eat and when I did I was so on edge, the smallest upset would cause me to purge whatever I had consumed into the nearest toilet," Hughes, 22, said in a victim impact statement, adding that she was later diagnosed with post-traumatic stress disorder and that something as benign-seeming as cologne that smelled like Rodriguez's would cause her to have a debilitating panic attack.
    At one point, Hughes said at the sentencing, she was so crippled by depression, she contemplated ending her life. She told the court that she wrote a suicide note last year to her friends and family "apologizing for not being stronger, begging someone to 'please, love my cat, Goose.'"
     
    Hughes said she felt ashamed and confused by what was happening, and at first did not tell anyone.
    But when she moved to Fairfield, Washington, about a year later, she worked up the courage to report it to three elders at her congregation there. In both her interview with NBC News and in the victim impact statement that she read in court, Hughes said that there were times when she doubted Rodriguez would be ever be disciplined.
    The elders she reported the rape to "basically told me that it was my fault. They told me that I wasn't sorry enough to God … They had used the Bible to victim-shame me for what I had done, and they never did anything to him," Hughes told NBC News in October 2018, weeks after a jury in a separate case awarded $35 million to a Montana woman who claimed Jehovah's Witnesses covered up the abuse she suffered at the hands of a congregation member as a child. (Two months ago, an attorney for the Jehovah’s Witnesses asked the Montana Supreme Court to reverse the $35 million verdict; the court did not make an immediate ruling).
    Hughes filed charges through the King County Superior Court in Washington in July 2018. The three felony charges Rodriguez pleaded guilty to a couple months ago encompassed the abuse against Hughes, as well as against a 12- or 13-year-old Jehovah's Witness girl he allegedly had a relationship with around the same time.
    Press officers for the Jehovah’s Witnesses have not commented on Rodriguez’s arrest or conviction. Last year, when Hughes disclosed the allegations of abuse to NBC News, the Office of Public Information at the World Headquarters said in an email that "it would be inappropriate for us to comment on specific cases."
    Hughes has since left the religion and works in the Spokane, Washington, area as an administrative assistant at a private medical company. She originally spoke to NBC News under her married name, Smith, but has since got divorced and now uses her maiden name.
    Gregory L. Scott, Rodriguez's Yakima-based attorney, told NBC News that Rodriguez is "extremely remorseful."
    For Hughes, remorse is not enough. She is working with attorney Irwin Zalkin, whose San Diego law firm has been litigating against Jehovah's Witnesses across the country for nearly two decades, to file a civil suit against the Jehovah's Witnesses. Zalkin said he is likely to file the suit in the coming month.
    Do I feel that they have a practice of protecting predators? Absolutely. Not a question," Zalkin said. "They have no clue about grooming. They have no training or understanding of how sexual predators work."
    Zalkin has brought more than 30 lawsuits against the Jehovah's Witnesses related to claims of childhood sexual abuse, about a third of which have successfully ended in settlements, he said. Zalkin said the upcoming civil suit will likely name the congregation where Hughes' abuse occurred, the congregation where she reported it, as well as the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses, among other entities.
    There was no response to calls from NBC News this week from the congregations.
    The public information desk for the U.S. branch of Jehovah's Witnesses told NBC News in an email that "child protection is a priority for Jehovah’s Witnesses," calling child sexual abuse "a gross sin and a wicked deed."
    "Governed by the law of the Christ, our congregations do not shield perpetrators of abuse from the consequences of their sins," it said.  
    "Elders endeavor to comply with secular laws about reporting allegations of abuse. Such laws do not conflict with God’s law. So when they learn of an allegation, elders immediately seek direction on how they can comply with laws about reporting it," the statement said.
    Hughes said she hopes by taking legal action against the Jehovah's Witnesses, she can prevent what happened to her from happening to anyone else.
    "That would be really awesome," she said. "It's a good thing coming from a bad thing."
    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/man-who-raped-jehovah-s-witness-girls-sentenced-5-years-n1082136
     
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    Witness reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in All Eight Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses members are now individually named on two New York Child Victims Act case documents   
    @JW Insider Thank you for this comical comment above. 
    A few quotes "Witnesses are generally very comfortable with their leadership."
    Exactly how many people have you asked. Were they just elders that you asked ? 
    Quote "Also, among JWs, there is a great appreciation for the good that comes out of association with others of like faith in the brotherhood. "
    Yes it is a social club. Well here in UK it definitely is a social club. Hence when a person is disfellowshipped they lose EVERYONE they would normally spend time with.  Also hence, that is what keeps many JW's 'physically in', because of the fear of being totally alone if they left. Shunning keeps people in the JW Org, that is the way the GB / Org rules people's lives. So, no, many JW's are not 'very comfortable with their leadership', but they just don't have a good way out, without being totally 'cut off'.
    And judging by feedback I'm getting from within the Org, fornication and divorce is increasing here in the UK. But I will not enlarge on that due to where I get my information. 
    The word Apostasy can be argued here for hours, and in fact often is. 
    And the GB seem frighten to announce reasons from the platform for why a person is 'No longer one of Jehovah's Witnesses'. 
    So no one knows if a person left of their own accord, or was d'fed. 
    As for this 'because no one has offered a consistent acceptable replacement yet.'  It is laughable. Just because you don't know exactly what is right, does that mean you don't know what isn't right ?  And doesn't it tell you to wait on God through Christ, instead of burbling on with untrue information ?  
    Quote " Of course, the Bible already gives us a guide that shows there are also very serious kinds of apostasy, "
    Give us examples please. 
    And might your own GB be guilty of some of these ? 
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    Witness reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in All Eight Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses members are now individually named on two New York Child Victims Act case documents   
    Another person that speaks twaddle ? lots of words that mean nothing / more smoke screen.  @TrueTomHarley
    With all that I've been reading about 'those in power' in the Org from 1970 ish onward, it goes to prove without doubt that they were not inspired, nor were they even guided by Holy Spirit. 
    Why do you people always have to relate everything to worldly things ? 
    If I compared my house to a third world tin slum, then my home is almost perfect.  But if i compare my home to one of those houses the JW Org is selling in London for over one million pounds, then my home isn't so cool. 
    That is why you people love to compare your GB and it's Org to the world, so that your GB and it's Org always looks better. If you were brave enough to compare your GB and it's Org to GOD'S HIGH STANDARDS, then you see the many dangerous faults. 
    And as for your scripture misquote “To whom else shall we go?   I don't remember reading in God's word, that the answer was, Go to the JW Org. You see how you twist scripture to suit your own means ? 
    Simon Peter answered him, “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life,
    The scripture is concerning JESUS CHRIST, NOT JW ORG. 
    Quote "In this case, the “no Santa Claus” is learning that the GB is made up of men who can make mistakes."
    I think the Watchtower words were ' make mistakes and err'
    So in your eyes does that mean make mistakes and make mistakes  (which makes no sense) 
    Or, does it mean make mistakes and deliberately do wrong ?  
    Please don't have the wrong kind of 'love' for your GB, that it becomes worship. Because if you do you will be too forgiving, and in so doing you will not 'search all things to see if they are true'.  
    On this forum, we have seen this critique a few times. It was clearly claimed by @JOHN BUTLER, who sadly was "DF'd" from the forum. 
    I just have to pick up on this point. Firstly it's good to know what happened to him.  So the question is why ?
    And secondly @Anna and others, that @JW Insider directly says disfellowshipped, even if he uses the 'safe mode' of inverted commas. 
    This, in my opinion, upholds my belief that this forum is run by Elders. 
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in All Eight Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses members are now individually named on two New York Child Victims Act case documents   
    It appears to be a case of selective blindness.   
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    Witness got a reaction from Shiwiii in All Eight Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses members are now individually named on two New York Child Victims Act case documents   
    Arauna, you continue to revert back to entities outside of the organization to “compare” sins.  1 Pet 4:17
    If this is the case, the organization is no better than any other.  But if it truly was “Jehovah’s organization”, it should be better, shouldn’t it.  After all, it boasts it is the way to spiritual salvation and “righteousness”.  Righteous practices are so far removed from the GB's agenda when it comes to child abuse.  
    God’s WORD judges His anointed people. 2 Pet 3:5-7   Since the GB choose to follow their own “words”, their ordinances concerning child abuse, your scriptures in James aptly applies…to them.   2 Pet 3:10; Jer 23:29
    The prophet’s words are not so archaic that they do not apply to God’s people today.  
     
    Rev 18:4-8
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in All Eight Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses members are now individually named on two New York Child Victims Act case documents   
    Only Christ can offer us eternal life, not an organization, a false Zion.  If I follow Christ and am condemned by the GB for doing so, who is it that carries the beam in their eye?  
    He said to the crowd: “When you see a cloud rising in the west, immediately you say, ‘It’s going to rain,’ and it does. 55 And when the south wind blows, you say, ‘It’s going to be hot,’ and it is. 56 Hypocrites! You know how to interpret the appearance of the earth and the sky. How is it that you don’t know how to interpret this present time?"  Luke 12:54-56
    JWs see and "interpret" the appearance of what is happening in the world, judging each individual within it as marked for destruction during their version of Armageddon; while not paying any attention to what is happening among God's "saints".  
    Mark 24:24 -  "For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. 25 See, I have told you ahead of time."
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in All Eight Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses members are now individually named on two New York Child Victims Act case documents   
    @Arauna - "Jehovah judges perfectly because he understands perfectly.  BUT you are twisting the facts:
    It is PEOPLE here on the forum who have appointed themselves as judges and definitely are not perfect judges. 
    People here on this forum try to make JWs into monsters.... when the real monsters who are exploiting children are using the worldly system to do this.  The worldly legal system is becoming less and less accountable and favoring the rich and powerful (and certain favoured minorities) to do as they please."
    Yes, the world is full of atrocities and horrors, but the world does not offer eternal life – the organization does.  Shouldn’t one’s focus be on how that will occur through an organization that is marked by some of the same atrocities found in the world?
    @Srecko Sostar - “I can assume that all such individuals among the elders, who are in the minority, experience very serious, conflicting turmoil. For those elders who are very sensitive by nature, all that they may face can be too much. For such elders, who begin to perceive the paradox that arises between truth, justice, Jesus' teaching, on the one hand, and the corporate governance of that power, the power that human influences and positions (hierarchies) have of things, can end up very bad for themselves. Even in suicide.”
    @4Jah2me - "So get real, wake up, and stop looking for excuses in the outside Devil's world.
    Remember scripture, Don't tell your brother he has a straw in his eye, when you have a rafter in yours. = JW Org,  Don't say how wicked the outside world is when the inside of JW Org is just as wicked." 
    How will the Kingdom arrive, through the choices the world makes, or the choices each anointed one makes? John 17:17; Rev 14;5   The anointed leaders of the org. easily judge their brothers and sisters in Christ.  The GB are not apostles, but uninspired men who “assume” they are allowed to make that decision.  They have given the elders the swift ability to mark them and all who question their teachings, as spiritually “dead” for not conforming to their own bad choices, or for turning directly to Christ who can offer one eternal life.  Micah 3:5; John 16:2; Rev 13:15
    This is a more serious accusation than one losing their physical life at the hands of a corrupt worldly system. 
    “The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you—they are full of the Spirit and life.” John 6:63
    The words the GB speak, are not full of life.  Their historical record of bad choices proves it.   Col 2:8  God doesn't erase their mistakes made while leading the flock, unless they repent and turn around.  Which they haven't.  Jer 23:32
     
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in All Eight Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses members are now individually named on two New York Child Victims Act case documents   
    @Arauna - "Jehovah judges perfectly because he understands perfectly.  BUT you are twisting the facts:
    It is PEOPLE here on the forum who have appointed themselves as judges and definitely are not perfect judges. 
    People here on this forum try to make JWs into monsters.... when the real monsters who are exploiting children are using the worldly system to do this.  The worldly legal system is becoming less and less accountable and favoring the rich and powerful (and certain favoured minorities) to do as they please."
    Yes, the world is full of atrocities and horrors, but the world does not offer eternal life – the organization does.  Shouldn’t one’s focus be on how that will occur through an organization that is marked by some of the same atrocities found in the world?
    @Srecko Sostar - “I can assume that all such individuals among the elders, who are in the minority, experience very serious, conflicting turmoil. For those elders who are very sensitive by nature, all that they may face can be too much. For such elders, who begin to perceive the paradox that arises between truth, justice, Jesus' teaching, on the one hand, and the corporate governance of that power, the power that human influences and positions (hierarchies) have of things, can end up very bad for themselves. Even in suicide.”
    @4Jah2me - "So get real, wake up, and stop looking for excuses in the outside Devil's world.
    Remember scripture, Don't tell your brother he has a straw in his eye, when you have a rafter in yours. = JW Org,  Don't say how wicked the outside world is when the inside of JW Org is just as wicked." 
    How will the Kingdom arrive, through the choices the world makes, or the choices each anointed one makes? John 17:17; Rev 14;5   The anointed leaders of the org. easily judge their brothers and sisters in Christ.  The GB are not apostles, but uninspired men who “assume” they are allowed to make that decision.  They have given the elders the swift ability to mark them and all who question their teachings, as spiritually “dead” for not conforming to their own bad choices, or for turning directly to Christ who can offer one eternal life.  Micah 3:5; John 16:2; Rev 13:15
    This is a more serious accusation than one losing their physical life at the hands of a corrupt worldly system. 
    “The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you—they are full of the Spirit and life.” John 6:63
    The words the GB speak, are not full of life.  Their historical record of bad choices proves it.   Col 2:8  God doesn't erase their mistakes made while leading the flock, unless they repent and turn around.  Which they haven't.  Jer 23:32
     
     
     
     
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    Witness reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in JW.org Says Apostates are "Mentally Diseased"   
    Quote  " They don’t look in the rear view mirror too much. "   Yes the two reasons the GB don't look in the  rear view mirror too much are these. 1. They are frightened to see how much damage they have done to people. 2. Their guilt would overpower them and their conscience would make them step  down. 
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in JW.org Says Apostates are "Mentally Diseased"   
    🙂  How can I not love you, even though you continue to drink (maybe reluctantly at times) the GB's koolaid?  Acts 20:29,30; James 1:21
     
     
     
     
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    Witness reacted to JW Insider in JW.org Says Apostates are "Mentally Diseased"   
    Actually, @4Jah2me and @Witness are right in this case.
    *** w09 10/15 p. 5 par. 10 “Be Aglow With the Spirit” ***
    . . . the “other sheep” are not part of the composite body of Christ . . . .
    And @Witness is right that this is a difference between the Watchtower teaching and the "theology" that Allen Smith has claimed to believe. And if Allen Smith thought this was right you can best believe that it will also be defended to the nth degree by: @Bogdan11 @John H Slaughter @Alithís Gnosis @DespicableME, @alvi languore insanabili @Grey Reformer @Tom Henry etc., etc., etc.
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    Witness got a reaction from Matthew9969 in All Eight Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses members are now individually named on two New York Child Victims Act case documents   
    Arauna, you continue to revert back to entities outside of the organization to “compare” sins.  1 Pet 4:17
    If this is the case, the organization is no better than any other.  But if it truly was “Jehovah’s organization”, it should be better, shouldn’t it.  After all, it boasts it is the way to spiritual salvation and “righteousness”.  Righteous practices are so far removed from the GB's agenda when it comes to child abuse.  
    God’s WORD judges His anointed people. 2 Pet 3:5-7   Since the GB choose to follow their own “words”, their ordinances concerning child abuse, your scriptures in James aptly applies…to them.   2 Pet 3:10; Jer 23:29
    The prophet’s words are not so archaic that they do not apply to God’s people today.  
     
    Rev 18:4-8
     
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