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    Witness got a reaction from Pudgy in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    Remember, Ray (R.) Franz, was a GB member.  
    Ray Franz, “In Search of Christian Freedom” – "I have seen people very greatly harmed by the false urgency surrounding the 1975 predictions, with some undergoing extreme emotional stress, families facing enduring economic strain for years, men who had given up good jobs having bouts with alcoholism due to the difficulty in finding new employment, elderly persons who faced a bleak future due to using insurance or similar funds prematurely, persons whose physical health was seriously damaged due to putting off surgery or other treatment.  If the sacrifice had been for truth, for God, for a noble purpose, then it would be worth it. But it was due to a mental concoction (Col 2:8) originating with one person and then promulgated by an organization and it ended in nothing, proved a complete fiction.
    They may try to shrug it off, but the responsibility for all this rests with those who gave birth to the false hopes, who stirred up and excited illusionary expectations”  (p. 567)
     
     
    Ray Franz, “In Search of Christian Freedom”, p. 425  – "The organization seeks to robe itself in the awesome role of a prophet of God and claim the deference that such a prophetic office merits.  Yet it disclaims the responsibility for accuracy that goes with the office.
    If confronted with God’s words at Deuteronomy 18:20-22 about such prophetic accuracy, it presumes to set this aside as not applying to it in its role of a “genuine prophet”, and “authentic prophet class”.  By what right does it do so?  Does merely saying, “Well, we’re all imperfect”, excuse the organization from having that Biblical standard of a genuine prophet applied?    It asks its adherents to disregard its past trail, which is strewn with unfulfilled predications and now-rejected erroneous interpretations, and to continue to put near reverential trust in what it publishes, granting it the dignity and honor and credence due a prophet of God.  Instead of feeling humbled by the clear evidence of its erratic, zigzagging course, it becomes more strident in its claims, more dogmatic as to its pronouncements.  Is this the course of a “genuine prophet” of God?
    When “the Assyrian” attacks, the elders must be absolutely convinced that Jehovah will deliver us. (3) At that time, the life-saving direction that we receive from Jehovah’s organization may not appear practical from a human standpoint. All of us must be ready to obey any instructions we may receive, whether these appear sound from a strategic or human standpoint or not.   W 13/11/15 p. 20
     
     
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    You received confirmation from a third party that the WT organization had periodic collective hysteria about the end of the world.
    These are 1914, 1925, 1941, 1975, until the end of the 20th century. Dude  
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    However, Jehovah did not let the people of Christendom, as led by the clergy, go without being warned that the League was a counterfeit substitute for the real kingdom of God. He had a “prophet” to warn them. This “prophet” was not one man, but was a body of men and women.  It was the small group of footstep followers of Jesus Christ, known at that time as International Bible Students. Today they are known as Jehovah’s Christian witnesses. They are still proclaiming a warning, and have been joined and assisted in their commissioned work by hundreds of thousands of persons who have listened to their message with belief.
    Of course, it is easy to say that this group acts as a “prophet” of God. It is another thing to prove it. The only way that this can be done is to review the record. What does it show?  (Wt 4/1/1972 p. 197)
    Have you done that lately?  They are inviting you to go back the birth of the organization and "review the record".  
    Here is your guideline to follow, when researching the record  - Insight Book 2, p. 694-698:
    The true prophet would speak in Jehovah’s name; the things foretold would come to pass (De 18:20-22); and his prophesying must promote true worship, being in harmony with God’s revealed word and commandments (De 13:1-4). The last requirement was probably the most vital and decisive, for an individual might hypocritically use God’s name, and by coincidence, his prediction might see fulfillment. But the true prophet was not solely or even primarily a prognosticator, as has been shown. Rather, he was an advocate of righteousness, and his message dealt primarily with moral standards and their application. He expressed God’s mind on matters. (Isa 1:10-20; Mic 6:1-12) Hence, it was not necessary to wait perhaps for years or generations to determine whether the prophet was true or false by fulfillment of a prediction. If his message contradicted God’s revealed will and standards, he was false.
    The true prophet never foretold simply to satisfy human curiosity. Every prediction related to God’s will, purpose, standards, or judgment. (1Ki 11:29-39; Isa 7:3-9) Often the future events foretold were the consequence of existing conditions; as the people sowed, so they would reap. The false prophets lulled the people and their leaders with soothing assurances that, despite their unrighteous course, God was still with them to protect and prosper them. (Jer 23:16-20; 28:1-14; Eze 13:1-16; compare Lu 6:26.) They imitated the true prophets, employing symbolic language and actions. (1Ki 22:11; Jer 28:10-14)
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Dmitar in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    However, Jehovah did not let the people of Christendom, as led by the clergy, go without being warned that the League was a counterfeit substitute for the real kingdom of God. He had a “prophet” to warn them. This “prophet” was not one man, but was a body of men and women.  It was the small group of footstep followers of Jesus Christ, known at that time as International Bible Students. Today they are known as Jehovah’s Christian witnesses. They are still proclaiming a warning, and have been joined and assisted in their commissioned work by hundreds of thousands of persons who have listened to their message with belief.
    Of course, it is easy to say that this group acts as a “prophet” of God. It is another thing to prove it. The only way that this can be done is to review the record. What does it show?  (Wt 4/1/1972 p. 197)
    Have you done that lately?  They are inviting you to go back the birth of the organization and "review the record".  
    Here is your guideline to follow, when researching the record  - Insight Book 2, p. 694-698:
    The true prophet would speak in Jehovah’s name; the things foretold would come to pass (De 18:20-22); and his prophesying must promote true worship, being in harmony with God’s revealed word and commandments (De 13:1-4). The last requirement was probably the most vital and decisive, for an individual might hypocritically use God’s name, and by coincidence, his prediction might see fulfillment. But the true prophet was not solely or even primarily a prognosticator, as has been shown. Rather, he was an advocate of righteousness, and his message dealt primarily with moral standards and their application. He expressed God’s mind on matters. (Isa 1:10-20; Mic 6:1-12) Hence, it was not necessary to wait perhaps for years or generations to determine whether the prophet was true or false by fulfillment of a prediction. If his message contradicted God’s revealed will and standards, he was false.
    The true prophet never foretold simply to satisfy human curiosity. Every prediction related to God’s will, purpose, standards, or judgment. (1Ki 11:29-39; Isa 7:3-9) Often the future events foretold were the consequence of existing conditions; as the people sowed, so they would reap. The false prophets lulled the people and their leaders with soothing assurances that, despite their unrighteous course, God was still with them to protect and prosper them. (Jer 23:16-20; 28:1-14; Eze 13:1-16; compare Lu 6:26.) They imitated the true prophets, employing symbolic language and actions. (1Ki 22:11; Jer 28:10-14)
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Dmitar in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    Rev 19:19 – “Then I saw the beast, the kings of the earth, and their armies gathered together to wage war against the rider on the horse and against his army.”
    “John: To the seven churches in Asia. Grace and peace to you from the one who is, who was, and who is to come, and from the seven spirits before his throne,  and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead and the ruler of the kings of the earth. To him who loves us and has set us free from our sins by his blood”
    Is Jesus ruler over the “kings”/leaders of the nations as well as his own "kings"?  If that is the case, then why is there a need for the Wt to declare that Jesus is head over only the Watchtower, and only rules over its leaders? 
    The kings of the earth are spoken of in Rev 5:9,10
    “And they sang a new song:
    You are worthy to take the scroll
    and to open its seals,
    because you were slaughtered,
    and you purchased people
    for God by your blood
    from every tribe and language
    and people and nation.
    You made them a kingdom
    and priests to our God,
    and they will reign on the earth.”
    The battle between the “kings of the earth” is between those faithful to Jesus, and those once under covenant with him but who have since become his enemies. (Rev 19:19; 12:7)  Of course, we know that in “heaven”, the nations “kings”/rulers will not be found, but only Christ’s “called, chosen and faithful” priests/kings who successfully “rode” with him bearing truth during Armageddon, and rule with him in Zion. (Rev 17:14)
    “I did not see a temple in it, because the Lord God the Almighty and the Lamb are its temple. 23 The city does not need the sun or the moon to shine on it, because the glory of God illuminates it, and its lamp is the Lamb. 24 The nations will walk by its light, and the kings of the earth will bring their glory into it.”  Rev 21:22-24
    Jesus is King of kings (Rev 19:16), but he is not king over the national leaders of the world. They are not under covenant with him. (Jer 31:31; Luke 22:20)  His kings were chosen when anointed, but that doesn’t mean they all remain faithful to his truths. (Deut 29:18; Heb 12:15; 2 Pet 3:17; Rev 8:11; 17:1; Rev 13:11,12)  In the last days, the anointed remnant, the remaining “kings of the earth” are deceived by the “teachings of demons”. Matt 24:24,25; 1 Tim 4:1; Luke 22:31; Col 2:8; Rev 13:10
    “And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs coming out of the mouth of the dragon, out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet. 14 For they are spirits of demons, performing signs, which go out to the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.”
    So, which “kings” do you think Jesus is talking about that are being deceived by a false prophet? The nation's leaders who could very well be atheist?  It is established by Rev 1:5 that the kings of the earth are under the rulership of Jesus Christ.  Those with them, are all JWs from around the world -  found in the organization.  These kings were gathered over the years into one ”camp”, the Wt. (Rev 20:7-9)  In there, they are presented with teachings that they must discern as either truth or lies (Joel 3:14); making  the choice to either ride with Christ and his Truth, (Matt 25:1,2,6-10) or remain under the influence of “demonic expressions”, spoken by the enemies of Christ. This describes the division that is now occurring, the choice to follow Jesus Christ and his word, or to follow the “empty philosophy” of men – “kings” who have fallen from God’s grace. (1 Cor 11:19)
    “For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places. Therefore take up the whole armor of God, that you may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.”  Eph 6:12,13
    “For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into apostles of Christ. And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works.” 2 Cor 11:13-15
    “I know your deeds, your hard work and your perseverance. I know that you cannot tolerate wicked people, that you have tested those who claim to be apostles but are not, and have found them false.” Rev 2:2
    “And the kings of the earth, the great men, the rich men, the commanders, the mighty men, every slave and every free man, hid themselves in the caves and in the rocks of the mountains, and said to the mountains and rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! “For the great day of His wrath has come, and who is able to stand?”  Rev 6:15-17
    Jesus would not apply the term “kings of the earth” to world leaders that are not under covenant with him, nor ever have been; and then also apply that term to his anointed under covenant.
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    In 1941 the WT organization also fueled feelings about Armageddon at the time, even within that same year.
    Cartons of Children that had been deposited in The Arena were now opened, and Judge Rutherford instructed the children how to come and each get a copy thereof, those in the rear half of The Arena marching in two columns out through a side exit, and those in the front half of The Arena marching up over the platform and out through a rear exit. As the march began, the orchestra (minus all its children instrumentalists) struck up and rendered songs, "Children of the Heavenly King," "The Sword of the Lord and of Gideon," and "Who Is on the Lord's Side'" while the vast audience sang. Never was there a more moving Sight in these "last days". Many, including strong men, wept at the demonstration. Receiving the gift, the marching children clasped it to them, not a toy or plaything for idle pleasure, but the Lord's provided Instrument for most effective work in the remaining months before Armageddon. What a gift I and to so many! The manner of releasing the new book Children was an outnght surprise to all, but the almighty hand of the All-wise One, Jehovah, was in it, and the maneuver was most blessed indeed. Thereafter Children, the author's edition, was disposed of to adult conventioners, on a contribution.    WT September 15 Page 288
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    Let's remember, again,  where and from whom the "speculations" arose? Within WT organizations by the JW members* themselves. 
    *word members including all individuals and groups inside organization (FDS aka GB, writers of articles, illustrators of publications, elders, rank and file members etc.)   
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    You're so funny. So don’t you see that you have stuck to an intellectual trap and a mistake in the logic found in the claims I wrote, on purpose. Because I have a "motive" :)).
     
    Truthers do not lie.
    Christians do not lie.
    All Truthers are Christians.
    All Christians are Truthers. 
    What is wrong with these claims? It does not include all other groups of people. So what was written is not true. Every man, religious or atheist or agnostic or whatever, is capable of telling the truth and is capable of lying and is capable of speaking half-truths and speaking half-lies.
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    SM.
    Are you bothered by my motives?
    Are you claiming that you are not motivated by your motives?
    :))
    This human characteristic is inseparable from every man and is deep within him. There is nothing without it. There are two types of motives: Natural motives and Acquired (social) motives.
    What makes you eat every day? I guess hunger and a strong desire to be satisfied. So you have a motive.
    What makes you participate in this forum? To advocate your point of view and your logic, right. Is your point of view always true? This is for discussion. You are convinced that you know the truth. Who can confirm that you are right? You yourself, or maybe Dmitar or someone else participating in the discussion? Or WTJWorg? Or some history book, You Tube, or Your Truther Community?
    So, do not accuse others of using motives as driving forces, because that is also your driving force.
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    Falsehood and deception?   If you indeed "call it out", you would question just why 1975 was a topic among the leadership of the Watchtower, since false prophets are described in Deut 18:20-22,  labeling the Wt's leaders as such, when all of the Armageddon dates failed.  You would question their continuous change in doctrine, when Jesus told his disciples to "produce fruit that would last". (John 15:16)  You would question why they push men's doctrine that contradicts the word of God, since Jesus blamed the Pharisees for teaching doctrine of men. (Mark 7:7)
     Instead, you take a topic and narrow down your focus onto one thing, letters of words that to you "prove" 1975 is...what, NOT a lie, NOT a false prediction?  Then, you call exjws, the liars because they know how the organization works.  You disregard the point that Watchtower danced around the topic every way they wanted, successfully misleading thousands to believe them - that Armageddon would arrive in 1975.  And then, when it didn't happen, the members receive the blame for the leadership's lies.  
    That - the fact that the leaders are false prophets, and not following the teachings of Jesus Christ, is what you could "call out"; but instead, you seem to defend the leaders and their lies.   What sort of "Truther" Preacher are you?  
    Here is a backward glance to 1975, which targets the year:
    "In modern times such eagerness, commendable in itself, has led to attempts at setting dates for the desired liberation from the suffering and troubles that are the lot of persons throughout the earth. With the appearance of the book Life Everlasting-in Freedom of the Sons of God, and its comments as to how appropriate it would be for the millennial reign of Christ to parallel the seventh millennium of man's existence, considerable expectation was aroused regarding the year 1975. There were statements made then, and thereafter, stressing that this was only a possibility. Unfortunately, however, along with such cautionary information, there were other statements published that implied that such realization of hopes by that year was more of a probability than a mere possibility . It is to be regretted that these latter statements apparently overshadowed the cautionary ones and contributed to a buildup of the expectation already initiated.  Wt 3/15/1980  
     
    Did they stress it as "only a possibility" one hundred percent of the time?  No.  They bolstered their lie, and then they downplayed their lie.   As I said, they danced around, back and forth:
    "Yes, the end of this system is so very near! Is that not reason to increase our activity?...Reports are heard of brothers selling their homes and property and planning to finish out the rest of their days in this old system in the pioneer service. Certainly this is a fine way to spend the short time remaining before the wicked world's end." (km 5/1974, p. 3)
     'It also tells us that this millennium must be preceded immediately by the most destructive war in all human history. We can now see the political rulers... being gathered... for that War of all wars....' (Wt 7/1/1974)
    Post 1975 - 
    "It may be that some who have been serving God have planned their lives according to a mistaken view of just what was to happen on a certain date or in a certain year. They may have, for this reason, put off or neglected things that they otherwise would have cared for. But they have missed the point of the Bibles warnings concerning the end of this system of things, thinking that Bible chronology reveals the specific date." Wt 7/15/1976
    Oh!  Now they are chastised for neglecting their homes and property that they were commended for selling, in order to pioneer.
    Who "missed the point"?  Who had the "mistaken view"?  Well, who "published" the articles?  Who approved the articles? 
    This religion is an organization built on lies from the beginning.  It's leaders are false prophets, according to the word of God.  If one looked into their Insight book under "prophets" it clearly proves that Wt  leaders are false prophets. So, I will continue to call them out for it, just as you are trying so hard to call me out as a liar.  
    You, spin your wheels trying to take down people who realize this - people who lived it, lived the lie of 1975 and all the other failed dates, as well as their continuous need to change their "understanding".  Their biggest lie?   Hmmm.  1914  
    "Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him: We ask you, brothers and sisters, 2 not to be easily upset or troubled, either by a prophecy or by a message or by a letter supposedly from us, alleging that the day of the Lord has come. 3 Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way. For that day will not come unless the apostasy[c] comes first and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. 4 He opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he sits[e] in God’s temple, proclaiming that he himself is God."  2 Thess 2:1-4
     
      
    Done now!
     
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Dmitar in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    Falsehood and deception?   If you indeed "call it out", you would question just why 1975 was a topic among the leadership of the Watchtower, since false prophets are described in Deut 18:20-22,  labeling the Wt's leaders as such, when all of the Armageddon dates failed.  You would question their continuous change in doctrine, when Jesus told his disciples to "produce fruit that would last". (John 15:16)  You would question why they push men's doctrine that contradicts the word of God, since Jesus blamed the Pharisees for teaching doctrine of men. (Mark 7:7)
     Instead, you take a topic and narrow down your focus onto one thing, letters of words that to you "prove" 1975 is...what, NOT a lie, NOT a false prediction?  Then, you call exjws, the liars because they know how the organization works.  You disregard the point that Watchtower danced around the topic every way they wanted, successfully misleading thousands to believe them - that Armageddon would arrive in 1975.  And then, when it didn't happen, the members receive the blame for the leadership's lies.  
    That - the fact that the leaders are false prophets, and not following the teachings of Jesus Christ, is what you could "call out"; but instead, you seem to defend the leaders and their lies.   What sort of "Truther" Preacher are you?  
    Here is a backward glance to 1975, which targets the year:
    "In modern times such eagerness, commendable in itself, has led to attempts at setting dates for the desired liberation from the suffering and troubles that are the lot of persons throughout the earth. With the appearance of the book Life Everlasting-in Freedom of the Sons of God, and its comments as to how appropriate it would be for the millennial reign of Christ to parallel the seventh millennium of man's existence, considerable expectation was aroused regarding the year 1975. There were statements made then, and thereafter, stressing that this was only a possibility. Unfortunately, however, along with such cautionary information, there were other statements published that implied that such realization of hopes by that year was more of a probability than a mere possibility . It is to be regretted that these latter statements apparently overshadowed the cautionary ones and contributed to a buildup of the expectation already initiated.  Wt 3/15/1980  
     
    Did they stress it as "only a possibility" one hundred percent of the time?  No.  They bolstered their lie, and then they downplayed their lie.   As I said, they danced around, back and forth:
    "Yes, the end of this system is so very near! Is that not reason to increase our activity?...Reports are heard of brothers selling their homes and property and planning to finish out the rest of their days in this old system in the pioneer service. Certainly this is a fine way to spend the short time remaining before the wicked world's end." (km 5/1974, p. 3)
     'It also tells us that this millennium must be preceded immediately by the most destructive war in all human history. We can now see the political rulers... being gathered... for that War of all wars....' (Wt 7/1/1974)
    Post 1975 - 
    "It may be that some who have been serving God have planned their lives according to a mistaken view of just what was to happen on a certain date or in a certain year. They may have, for this reason, put off or neglected things that they otherwise would have cared for. But they have missed the point of the Bibles warnings concerning the end of this system of things, thinking that Bible chronology reveals the specific date." Wt 7/15/1976
    Oh!  Now they are chastised for neglecting their homes and property that they were commended for selling, in order to pioneer.
    Who "missed the point"?  Who had the "mistaken view"?  Well, who "published" the articles?  Who approved the articles? 
    This religion is an organization built on lies from the beginning.  It's leaders are false prophets, according to the word of God.  If one looked into their Insight book under "prophets" it clearly proves that Wt  leaders are false prophets. So, I will continue to call them out for it, just as you are trying so hard to call me out as a liar.  
    You, spin your wheels trying to take down people who realize this - people who lived it, lived the lie of 1975 and all the other failed dates, as well as their continuous need to change their "understanding".  Their biggest lie?   Hmmm.  1914  
    "Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him: We ask you, brothers and sisters, 2 not to be easily upset or troubled, either by a prophecy or by a message or by a letter supposedly from us, alleging that the day of the Lord has come. 3 Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way. For that day will not come unless the apostasy[c] comes first and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. 4 He opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he sits[e] in God’s temple, proclaiming that he himself is God."  2 Thess 2:1-4
     
      
    Done now!
     
     
     
     
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    Witness reacted to Matthew9969 in Brothers helping Brothers Jehovah be with them.   
    Actually I did take it up with Jesus, and He led me to a family that gives more in one month that the watchtower has ever given.
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    Witness reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    Oh do be quiet SM. (That was being polite)  Show me exactly where I said the above about JWs. We all know it was promoted amongst JWs from the mid 1960's. Someone even showed a W/t magazine from around '67 which wrote about being in the 'last part of the last day', and then there was some mention of a JW Elder saying from the platform "Stay alive 'till 75".
    I have a close relative who is a JW Elder and he knows that JWs WERE selling their houses and leaving their jobs, to preach full time. Just because the Leaders didn't print it in the Watchtower does not mean that they were not promoting it in other ways. But you, like all others, only believe what you want to believe, because it fits your agenda. 
    And what 'community' exactly do you say I belong to ? 
    Dimmy has one thing right. There is NO spirituality here. 
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    It is a narrow conclusion without the possibility of seeing the message expressed through the illustration. Don't you see the "hidden message" in the comment?
    Your computer (in other words, You) selectively refuses to display text that has the power to refute (your) uttered claims, so in order to be satisfied with its (own) “logic” it pretends to have nothing (in sight) but what it (you) wants to see.  
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    Again. Manipulative construction and delusion projected onto the interlocutor. Sad.
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    You made pure repetition from WT magazines. Nothing unknown to me.
    Obviously you skipped some WTJWorg articles. AGAIN! :))) Here are quotes just from one WT study magazine. For "stellar mind" would be enough.
    Especially since the spiritually invigorating year 1919, the anointed remnant of Christ’s brothers fearlessly presented God’s judgments, powerful messages of calamity, to Christendom. ..............
    Over the last seven decades, in conjunction with proclaiming the glorious hope of Jehovah’s incoming Kingdom, Jehovah’s Witnesses have spread around the world a veritable flood of denunciation and judgment...............
    Have Jehovah’s Witnesses toned down God’s judgment? True, we live in an age when criticizing another religion is not considered the thing to do. Nevertheless, Jehovah’s Witnesses’ publications are spelling out the same message of judgment for Christendom as always..................
    Therefore, Jehovah’s Witnesses will continue to visit the people of the nations with a message that stings the majority as an unpopular judgment but is happifying good news for a minority—the good news of God’s Kingdom
    https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1988245
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    Perhaps you have some software or hardware problems with your PC and monitor.
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    Made in WT Society spiritual kitchen. :))
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    Kudos to that, it is a commendable intention. But something happened on this issue about 1975 when it comes to your logic and facts.
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    Only in your mind, only for individuals who have amnesia about WT history, only for new JW members who have complete trust in GB.  
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Daniel 11:44 - King of the North   
    Why would Gog of Magog come against "Jehovah" when in the Bible he SENDS the army onto his people?  
    “King of the North” of Daniel 11:31
    Gog comes with his army from the “North”. Ezek 38:14,15
    The locust swarm that attacks God’s people, come from the “North”  Joel 2:20
    They are the same entity, described in different ways, that attack God’s people because they have sinned against Him. Undoubtedly the leadership would rather hide that fact from JWs.  There are so good at cherry-picking scriptures and because of full trust that they expect from JWs, they get away with it.
    Therefore prophesy, son of man, and you must say to Gog, ‘Thus says the Lord Yahweh: “Will you not realize (“rouse yourself”) on that day when my people Israel are dwelling in safety, “confidence/trust”,  15 and so you will come from your place, from the remote areas of the north, you and many people with you, horsemen all of them, a great crowd and a vast army, 16 and you will advance against my people Israel like a cloud to cover the land; it will be in the last days, and I will bring you against my land, so that the nations know me, when I show myself holy through you before their eyes, O Gog!”’
    God, sends “Gog of/and Magog” against Israel for a reason:
     “And the house of Israel will know that I am Yahweh their God from that day and beyond, 23 and the nations will know that because of their guilt the house of Israel went into exile, because they acted unfaithfully against me, and I hid my face from them, and I gave them into the hand of their foes, and they fell by the sword, all of them. 24 According to their uncleanness and according to their transgression I dealt with them, and I hid my face from them.  Ezek 39:22-24
    Why apply this account of Gog, if you believe God’s people are innocent? 
    So far, Russia has not come against the anointed in full force found all over the world.  Putin is not using any discretion to find and single out the anointed “Israel”. He’s targeting nuclear power plants and Ukrainians.   So, what good is calling Russia the “king of the north” when so far, it is impotent against “Israel”?  What’s the big to do for JWs who are escaping with thousands of others?  It is a serious state of affairs for the Ukrainian and the Russian people.  They suffer today, now; not all of God’s holy people/saints/priesthood, who are the chosen ones!  (1 Pet 2:5,9; Eph 2:20-22)
    Gog and Magog, supposedly a coalition of nations, yet still an army also from the north, “surrounds the saints”, and God’s priests today, according to scripture.  (Ezek 38:10,11; Rev 16:13-16; 13:5-7; 20:7-9)  His target is “Israel”.  How will the leaders of a coalition of worldly nations know who the anointed are?  NONE OF YOU JWS HAVE ANSWERED THIS QUESTION YET.
    To remind you, this entity – Gog, Magog, King of the North, the locusts of Joel AND Revelation 9, come against God people because of their sins against Him. 
    Because a nation has invaded My land,
        strong and beyond counting.
    Its teeth are the teeth of a lion,
        and its fangs are those of a lioness. Joel 1:6  (Rev 13:1,2; 9:7,8)
    The offering and libation are withheld
        from the Temple of Yahweh.
    The priests mourn,
        the ministers of Yahweh.
    Gird yourselves and lament, O priests!
        Wail, O ministers of the altar!
    Come spend the night in sackcloth,
        O ministers of my God,
    because offering and libation
        are withheld from the house of your God.    Joel 1:9,13
    They are mourning because they have sinned and are suffering the consequences.  Joel 2:12,13
    Dan 9: 27 He will make a firm covenant with many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and offering. And the abomination of desolation will be on a wing of the temple until the decreed destruction is poured out on the desolator."
    The “man of lawlessness”/northern army puts a stop to the sacrifice and offering of the priesthood.  How? By replacing it, by allowing "Gentiles to “stand” over the priests, ruling over them.
    2 Thess 2:3,4 - Do not let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, who opposes and who exalts himself over every so-called god or object of worship, so that he sits down in the temple of God, proclaiming that he himself is God.
    To say that the man of lawlessness/northern army does not invade the TEMPLE BELONGING TO GOD, but some other temple that people say is God’s, is an outright lie!  But apparently, that’s what you all believe!  The spiritual temple is defined in the Insight Book, as the anointed priesthood.
    Mark 13:14 - "When you see the abomination of desolation standing where it should not be" (let the reader understand), "then those in Judea must flee to the mountains”
    Jer 50:8 - “Flee from the midst of Babylon, and go out of the land of the Chaldeans, and be as male goats before the flock.”
    So, if in the presence of the locust army from the north, the king of the north, Gog and Magog from the north, man of lawlessness, Wild Beast of the Sea, (all describing the same thing), what are God’s people suppose to do?
    And I heard another voice from heaven saying,
    “Come out from her, my people,
    so that you will not participate in her sins,
    and so that you will not receive her plagues,
    5 because her sins have reached up to heaven,
    and God has remembered her crimes.”  Rev 18:4,5
    The Lord is not too weak to save
    or his ear too deaf to hear.
    2 But your wrongs have separated you from your God,
    and your sins have made him hide his face
    so that he doesn’t hear you.
    3 Your hands are stained with blood,
    and your fingers are stained with sin.
    You speak lies,
    and you mutter wicked things.
    4 No one calls for justice,
    and no one pleads his case truthfully.
    People trust pointless arguments and speak lies.
    They conceive trouble and give birth to evil. Isa 59:1-4
    Your leaders have developed an internal army “from the north” to come against “Israel”.  They’ve created the elder body over the years –a great “locust army” that can push people around by their given power to judge and disfellowship, sentencing them to a spiritual “death”; (Rev 9:3-6; 13:1,2,11,12) especially the anointed authentic priests of God. (John 16:2; Rev 13:5-7,15; 11:1-3,7)  The organization has led God’s holy priesthood to trust – take confidence in - its lies, and dedicate/identify with it; thus, they have become idolaters. (Rom 1:25; Rev 13:4,10; Col 2:8) Do you not bear the mark of “Jehovah’s organization?” Are you not willing to die on behalf of “Jehovah’s organization”?  This is idolatry.  We are to bear one mark, that of God and His laws, not the laws of an organization and its leaders.  (Deut 6:4-9)  It is interesting that God’s instructions were to be posted on the doorposts of the houses of Israel in Deut 6:9  What is posted on the houses of “Jehovah’s organization”, but men’s doctrine, its changes, its prophetic failures, and its defiance to God’s laws – all symbolized physically by a blue and white sign.
    Your leaders have locked the anointed away from Jesus Christ, silencing them, by telling them to OBEY the “uncircumcised” “Gentile” elder body, and not BOND with their Master; but instead, listen and obey a wicked slave – listen and obey the “representatives” of God’s holy priesthood and Temple of God.  (Ezek 44:6-9; 1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17)  Matt 24:48-51
    (Oh my, that must be the underlying basis for the song)
    This wicked slave comprises the false prophets of “Babylon”. (Jer 23:21,22; 27:9)  What happened to Babylon in Jeremiah’s day?  Just as the scriptures tell us,
    For look, I am going to stir up,
        and I am going to bring against Babylon
    a contingent of great nations
        from the land of the north.
    And they will draw up a battle formation against her,
        from there she will be captured.
    Their arrows are like a warrior who has achieved success,
        he does not return without success. Jer 50:9
    What “Gentile” army will turn on “Babylon”, the GB/Heads/harlots of the organization? (Hos 9:1; Ps 106:39; Isa 1:21; Rev 17: 1-6) The elder body/locust army/king of the north, Beast from the Sea along with a symbolic “ten kings”, anointed but not yet sealed by God. Yes, the elder body and anointed joining them, will disfellowship, toss out, depose, strip the harlots of all authoritative identity - the wicked leaders of “Israel” who have left their covenant with God and Jesus Christ.  (Isa 22:15-19; Jer 4:30; Rev 17:15-18) 
    The war is internal, not external. There is no deceit to be discovered with Russia and the Ukraine, in relationship to “Israel”, except that the anointed and JWs have their eyes focused on the world, anxiously waiting for it to bring about the Kingdom of God.  They  are IGNORING Jesus’ words:
    Asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, He replied to them by saying, The kingdom of God does not come with signs to be observed or with visible display, Nor will people say, Look! Here [it is]! or, See, [it is] there! For behold, the kingdom of God is within you [in your hearts] and among you [surrounding you]. Luke 17:20,21
      Everyone who believes in the Bible, is looking for the fulfilment of scripture, by turning to the world of war and politics.  Where is the deceit to be found there, that Satan uses against “Israel”? Someone said, the most deceitful thing that Satan can do, is to convince God’s holy people that they are worshipping God “in truth”, when instead they are flooded by his lies and worship an idol.  (Isa 28:14-19)
     2 Thess 2:9-12
    Daniel 11:31-45
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Dmitar in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    I think my "half-truth" and your "truth" are saying the same thing.
     "Just think, brothers, there are only about ninety months left before 6,000 years of mans existence on earth is completed... The majority of people living today will probably be alive when Armageddon breaks out, and there are no resurrection hopes for those who are destroyed then. So, now more than ever, it is vital not to ignore that spirit of wanting to do more." (km 3/1968 p. 4) 
    "There is only a short time left before Jehovah will destroy this wicked system of things." (Wt 1/15/1969)
    "The Bible book of Revelation (chapters 20 and 21) reveals many of the good things that the thousand-year rule will bring. It also tells us that this millennium must be preceded immediately by the most destructive war in all human history. We can now see the political rulers or “kings of the entire inhabited earth” being gathered, under forces beyond human control, for that War of all wars, at the place called Har–Magedon"  (Wt 74/7/1 pg 397)
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    I think my "half-truth" and your "truth" are saying the same thing.
     "Just think, brothers, there are only about ninety months left before 6,000 years of mans existence on earth is completed... The majority of people living today will probably be alive when Armageddon breaks out, and there are no resurrection hopes for those who are destroyed then. So, now more than ever, it is vital not to ignore that spirit of wanting to do more." (km 3/1968 p. 4) 
    "There is only a short time left before Jehovah will destroy this wicked system of things." (Wt 1/15/1969)
    "The Bible book of Revelation (chapters 20 and 21) reveals many of the good things that the thousand-year rule will bring. It also tells us that this millennium must be preceded immediately by the most destructive war in all human history. We can now see the political rulers or “kings of the entire inhabited earth” being gathered, under forces beyond human control, for that War of all wars, at the place called Har–Magedon"  (Wt 74/7/1 pg 397)
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    Can I continue my madness now?
    @Witness put a picture of a magazine from 1968. You put a quote from a magazine from 1974.
    What it shows us?
    A little shift in the interpretation of the date when the end of the system of things begins.
    From the magazine you provide as evidence you should note what you skipped to emphasize. And it is:
    All we know is that the end will come within the generation that sees fulfilled on it the sign that Jesus Christ said would then be in evidence. (See Matthew chapters 24, 25.) All indications are that the fulfillment of this sign began in 1914. So we can be confident that the end is near; we do not have the slightest doubt that God will bring it about, the speaker stressed. - w74 10/15 page 635
    Mitigating the outcome of the end in 1975 with the claim that the end comes within the generation of 1914 means stretching the period in which the end (destruction of the evil world) will occur definitively.
    Your and SM's attempt to defend 1975 is in vain. 
    You need to be aware that "1975" was in fact within the lifetime of the "1914 generation", from WT perspective. It means that WTJWorg’s “prediction” was based, and even justifiably based, on the doctrine and interpretations of the time. Because if they were right with the definition of "generation", the end could really have come in 1975, if we had looked at it from their position at the time. :)))
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    Witness got a reaction from Dmitar in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    This is what I suggest.  Buy yourself a 25 piece puzzle on Amazon, and practice putting it together until you see the entire picture on the box.   Then, revisit 1975, put the pieces - all of the Wt  articles pertaining to 1975, together, and you will see the entire picture.  (but you already know that)
    Better yet, find a JW who sold his house around 1975, and forfeited his job to prepare for Armageddon.  Ask him, if he believed the organization's leaders told him that 1975 was the date for Armageddon.  (you already know his answer)
    If you can't envision the "picture" puzzle, or you don't believe the JW, you are either blind, hard of hearing, a liar, or a manipulator -  for whatever reason, only you know.  
     
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