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    Witness got a reaction from Foreigner in WHAT DID YOU LEARN THAT WAS NEW AT THE 2019 "LOVE NEVER FAILS" REGIONAL CONVENTION ?   
    Thank you, @Melinda Mills for finding this out.  Now I know what the hullabaloo is all about.  
    "Man was made in God's image and has the ability to love, appreciate wisdom, reasoning, music and poetry and worship. Animals can't do that."
    If animals have the ability to be fearful, joyful, loyal, even hateful, they certainly have the ability to show love - deep affection for another animal or human.
    I had a cat that would settled down in front of the stereo speaker to listen to classical music as soon as it began.  There must have been some sort of appreciation there, in the form of contentment or pleasure. 
     
     
     


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    Witness got a reaction from Foreigner in WHAT DID YOU LEARN THAT WAS NEW AT THE 2019 "LOVE NEVER FAILS" REGIONAL CONVENTION ?   
    I'm curious how the convention grapples with 1 John 4:18:
     There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love.
    In a haven of well-practiced "punishment", does love exist?  In such an environment, would fear not exist?
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Foreigner in WHAT DID YOU LEARN THAT WAS NEW AT THE 2019 "LOVE NEVER FAILS" REGIONAL CONVENTION ?   
    (Edited)
    When Rutherford gave that speech, did he have his listeners' interests at heart?  This was nothing but a lie that people like you believed in, and lived for. From 1918 to 1925 his message was preached with anticipation and excitement, by members like you.    (The Proclaimer’s Book called it “an exciting message”)  When the dust settled, did he have remorse for misleading the congregants? No, he shifted the blame for his false prediction on the members.   
    “It was stated in the ‘Millions’ book that we might reasonably expect them (referring to the resurrection) to return shortly after 1925, but this was merely an expressed opinion; besides it is still shortly after 1925. … Some anticipated that the work would end in 1925, but the Lord did not state so. The difficulty was that the friends inflated their imaginations beyond reason; and that when their imaginations burst asunder, they were inclined to throw away everything.” Watch Tower 1926 pp.196, 232
    How many do you believe were stumbled to see the blame put on them? Was it merely an expressed opinion?  Or was it taught as truth?
     “The date 1925 is even more distinctly indicated by the Scriptures because it is fixed by the law God gave to Israel. Viewing the present situation in Europe, one wonders how it will be possible to hold back the explosion much longer; and that even before 1925 the great crisis will be reached and probably passed.” Watch Tower 1922 Sep 1 p.262
    Does this shifting of the blame sound familiar? It should.  You just recently saw it in action regarding 1975.  Did these two mistakes happen “while keeping on the watch”?
    The leaders of the Watchtower may have various personalities, but their vision is the same; to keep their listeners in their seats by promising them a paradise based on empty speeches.  No, this is not about me, but about the anointed ones in the organization, as well as all JWs who are captivated by WT’s empty promises.   It is about YOU.
    Col 2:8 - "See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the elemental spiritual forces of this world, rather than on Christ." 
    JWs have bought into the organization’s setting the bar higher for the philosophies of the world, and lower for its own philosophies or “empty speeches”.  The instituting of new light when an old prophesy fails is quite the opposite of what God expects of his anointed priests.
     “And now, you priests, this warning is for you. 2 If you do not listen, and if you do not resolve to honor My name,” says the Lord Almighty, “I will send a curse on you, and I will curse your blessings. Yes, I have already cursed them, because you have not resolved to honor Me.
    3 “Because of you I will rebuke your descendants; I will smear on your faces the dung from your festival sacrifices, and you will be carried off with it. 4 And you will know that I have sent you this warning so that my covenant with Levi may continue,” says the Lord Almighty. 5 “My covenant was with him, a covenant of life and peace, and I gave them to him; this called for reverence and he revered Me and stood in awe of My name. 6 True instruction was in his mouth and nothing false was found on his lips. He walked with Me in peace and uprightness, and turned many from sin.
    7 “For the lips of a priest ought to preserve knowledge, because he is the messenger of the Lord Almighty and people seek instruction from his mouth. 8 But you have turned from the way and by your teaching have caused many to stumble; you have violated the covenant with Levi,”says the Lord Almighty. 9 “So I have caused you to be despised and humiliated before all the people, because you have not followed My ways but have shown partiality in matters of the law.”  Mal 2:1-9
    The GB does not honor God with their failed predictions that you excuse as a moment of ‘”making a mistake while keeping on the watch”.   They are more concerned about honoring their organization…and apparently dancing to its beat, as seen in Brazil.  And, worldly organizations do make mistakes. 
    There is a distinction made between your god and its GB head, and the God I’m learning to know, who expects the truth His Son has given us, to be the only truth to be heard.  His truth is in the Bible, not in the corrupt minds of men, who are doing the most damage to the anointed ones of “Israel”.  They will not be sealed if lies are “found in their mouth”.    Zeph 3:13; Rev 14:15; 3:18    Satan, knows this.  2 Thess 2:9-12
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Foreigner in WHAT DID YOU LEARN THAT WAS NEW AT THE 2019 "LOVE NEVER FAILS" REGIONAL CONVENTION ?   
    And as Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him, and fell down at his feet, and worshipped him.
    26 But Peter took him up, saying, Stand up; I myself also am a man.  Acts 10:25,26
     
    "Everything is yours" - every gift within the Body is a benefit to each member..."There are different kinds of gifts, but the same Spirit distributes them. There are different kinds of service, but the same Lord.  There are different kinds of working, but in all of them and in everyone each one, just as he determines.   All these are the work of one and the same Spirit, and he distributes them to each one, just as he determines."  1 Cor 12:4,6,11
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Foreigner in WHAT DID YOU LEARN THAT WAS NEW AT THE 2019 "LOVE NEVER FAILS" REGIONAL CONVENTION ?   
    This is as far as read.  You continue to be so blind!  "Empty speeches" are foundation of your organization.   As an example, "Millions Now Living Will Never Die"   
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    Witness got a reaction from Foreigner in WHAT DID YOU LEARN THAT WAS NEW AT THE 2019 "LOVE NEVER FAILS" REGIONAL CONVENTION ?   
    For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God, since it is written, He catches the wise in their craftiness  1 Cor 3:19  
    In this case, Paul is speaking of “wisdom” of the “crafty” religious leaders; as an example, the Pharisees who misled the people with their “worldly” wisdom added to the law.  
    For whenever someone says, “I belong to Paul,” and another, “I belong to Apollos,” are you not acting like mere humans?     What then is Apollos? What is Paul? They are servants through whom you believed, and each has the role the Lord has given. 6 I planted, Apollos watered, but God gave the growth. 7 So then neither the one who plants nor the one who waters is anything, but only God who gives the growth. 
    He refers to God’s spiritual House/Temple in the anointed ones. 1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17; Eph 2:20-22  Of course, within the Watchtower are those who believe they are “wise” and have labeled themselves before Christ has returned, as “faithful and discreet”, and all eyes fall on the GB to lead them. It is so blatantly seen by some on this forum.    Paul says that each member of the body is just as precious as the other, in their apportioned roles.  Rom 12:3-8  This is not the case in the WT.  The GB and their role, is the only role to acknowledge.  Matt 24:48-51
     “Let no one deceive himself. If anyone among you thinks he is wise in this age, let him become a fool so that he can become wise. 19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God, since it is written, He catches the wise in their craftiness; 20 and again, The Lord knows that the reasonings of the wise are futile. 21 So let no one boast in human leaders, for everything is yours— 22 whether Paul or Apollos or Cephas or the world or life or death or things present or things to come—everything is yours, 23 and you belong to Christ, and Christ belongs to God.
    He is saying that within this anointed Body, their only Head is Jesus Christ. Eph 4:15  However, all JWs “boast” in their human leaders.  They must, or they are threatened with disfellowshipping,  by the employment of craftiness.  Rev 13: 11,15
     JWs are totally immersed in the “wisdom of this world” that their human leaders provide for them.  They have become “fools” for following this wisdom.  It is not too late to become wise, according to the teachings of Christ.  Proverbs chapter 4
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    Witness got a reaction from James Thomas Rook Jr. in WHAT DID YOU LEARN THAT WAS NEW AT THE 2019 "LOVE NEVER FAILS" REGIONAL CONVENTION ?   
    Thank you, @Melinda Mills for finding this out.  Now I know what the hullabaloo is all about.  
    "Man was made in God's image and has the ability to love, appreciate wisdom, reasoning, music and poetry and worship. Animals can't do that."
    If animals have the ability to be fearful, joyful, loyal, even hateful, they certainly have the ability to show love - deep affection for another animal or human.
    I had a cat that would settled down in front of the stereo speaker to listen to classical music as soon as it began.  There must have been some sort of appreciation there, in the form of contentment or pleasure. 
     
     
     


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    Witness got a reaction from JOHN BUTLER in WHAT DID YOU LEARN THAT WAS NEW AT THE 2019 "LOVE NEVER FAILS" REGIONAL CONVENTION ?   
    Thank you, @Melinda Mills for finding this out.  Now I know what the hullabaloo is all about.  
    "Man was made in God's image and has the ability to love, appreciate wisdom, reasoning, music and poetry and worship. Animals can't do that."
    If animals have the ability to be fearful, joyful, loyal, even hateful, they certainly have the ability to show love - deep affection for another animal or human.
    I had a cat that would settled down in front of the stereo speaker to listen to classical music as soon as it began.  There must have been some sort of appreciation there, in the form of contentment or pleasure. 
     
     
     


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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in WHAT DID YOU LEARN THAT WAS NEW AT THE 2019 "LOVE NEVER FAILS" REGIONAL CONVENTION ?   
    Thank you, @Melinda Mills for finding this out.  Now I know what the hullabaloo is all about.  
    "Man was made in God's image and has the ability to love, appreciate wisdom, reasoning, music and poetry and worship. Animals can't do that."
    If animals have the ability to be fearful, joyful, loyal, even hateful, they certainly have the ability to show love - deep affection for another animal or human.
    I had a cat that would settled down in front of the stereo speaker to listen to classical music as soon as it began.  There must have been some sort of appreciation there, in the form of contentment or pleasure. 
     
     
     


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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in WHITEWASH   
    To get to the meaningful core of what Armageddon is about, which is the battle of truth against lies, we look at Israel’s sins of the past.  Today’s spiritual “Israel” comprised of the anointed ones, is also steeped in sin, resulting from a testing delusion put upon them by Satan; a delusion that is passionately called “the truth”.   Luke 22:31; 2 Thess 2:9-12; Rev 13:1,2,11 
    God does expect us to seek Truth.  Ps 25:5; Matt 7:7,8; John 4:23,24; 8:31,32; 14:6 
    Yet, today’s “Israel” is feeding on the lies of their leaders/prophets. Matt 7:15; Acts 20:29; Rev 16:13,14  
    When reading Ezekiel chapter 13, notice that the term “whitewash” helps reveal what is behind the organization’s ‘new light’ label.  Many translations use the phrase, “untempered mortar”, a few say “loose mud”, or “chalk”; all are descriptive of the organization’s attempt to cover over unstable teachings that do not last.  John 15:16,5 
    “untempered mortar” is defined as “whitewash" used to patch a wall, creating the facade of beauty.
    As an example:
    Matt 23:37 – “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of the bones of the dead and everything unclean.”
    Why were these teachers described by Jesus as whitewashed tombs?
    “You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies. Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me! 46 Can any of you prove me guilty of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don’t you believe me? 47 Whoever belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God.”  John 8:44-47
    By choosing to deny Christ’s words of truth which offer eternal life, they remained in spiritual darkness, alienated from God and life.
     “The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you—they are full of the Spirit and life.”  John 6:63
    “If we claim to have fellowship with him and yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not live out the truth.” 1 John 1:6
    The battle of truth against lies was evident then, and is now, as it reaches the end point in these last days.  The “two witnesses” (“two “meaning truth – John 8:17) proclaim the revealing message from Christ, while false prophets battle against it, with their lies. Dan 12:9; Rev 1:11; 11:3; 1 John 4:6 
    Ezekiel chapter 13:
    The word of the Lord came to me: 2 “Son of man, prophesy against the prophets of Israel who are now prophesying. Say to those who prophesy out of their own imagination: ‘Hear the word of the Lord!3 This is what the Sovereign Lord says: Woe to the foolish (“wicked”) prophets who follow their own spirit and have seen nothing! 
    4 Your prophets, Israel, are like jackals among ruins. (Lam 5:17,18; Ps 44:19)
     5 You have not gone up to the breaches in the wall to repair it for the people of Israel so that it will stand firm in the battle on the day of the Lord. ( Ezek 22:30)
    6 Their visions are false and their divinations a lie. Even though the Lord has not sent them, they say, “The Lord declares,” and expect Him to fulfill their words. (Ps 50:21; Isa 57:11) 
    7 Have you not seen false visions and uttered lying divinations when you say, “The Lord declares,” though I have not spoken? (Ezek 22:28; Rev 16:13,14) 
    8 “‘Therefore this is what the Sovereign Lord says: Because of your false words and lying visions, I am against you, declares the Sovereign Lord.9 My hand will be against the prophets who see false visions and utter lying divinations. They will not belong to the council of my people or be listed in the records of Israel, nor will they enter the land of Israel. Then you will know that I am the Sovereign Lord.  (Rev 13:8)   
    10 “‘Because they lead my people astray, saying, “Peace,” when there is no peace, and because, when a flimsy wall is built, they cover it with whitewash,  (Jer 23:13,17; 1 Thess 5:3) 
    11 therefore tell those who cover it with whitewash that it is going to fall. Rain will come in torrents, and I will send hailstones hurtling down, and violent winds will burst forth. 
    12 When the wall collapses, will people not ask you, “Where is the whitewash you covered it with?”
    13 “‘Therefore this is what the Sovereign Lord says: In my wrath I will unleash a violent wind, and in my anger hailstones and torrents of rain will fall with destructive fury. (Ps 18:12,13; Isa 30:30 [Heb 12:1] Ps 147:17,18; Matt 24:30; Rev 11:3,5; Rev 8:7; Matt 7:24,25}  
    14 I will tear down the wall you have covered with whitewash and will level it to the ground so that its foundation will be laid bare. (Matt 7:26,27; 1 Cor 3:10,13)  When it falls, you will be destroyed in it; and you will know that I am the Lord.
    15 So I will pour out my wrath against the wall and against those who covered it with whitewash. I will say to you, “The wall is gone and so are those who whitewashed it,16 those prophets of Israel who prophesied to Jerusalem and saw visions of peace for her when there was no peace, declares the Sovereign Lord.”’ 
    Pearl Doxsey:
    I have come to appreciate, that "walls" stand for doctrines/teachings. Just as the city wall protects the city from their enemies, so do doctrines defend against threats to faith, but they also offer boundaries to keep a "flock" in an enclosure. My point, is that Ezekiel "dug" a hole in the wall. (Ezek 12:4-7) We know the meaning of "digging" (Prov 2:2-5; Matt 13:44), and when we combine these symbols (digging, wall) I take it as scrutiny of teachings (1 John 4:1; 1 Thess 5:21) which weakens a wall of false doctrine, just as digging holes in a literal wall would. We are told (according to this symbolism) that the "wall" of apostate Jerusalem will fall (see Ezekiel 13:10,11,12,14,15), no matter how much they "whitewash" their teachings.
    I am certain of this connection and meaning of "wall", because the fall of Jericho’s wall is inextricably linked with the "end", and to Revelation (Heb 11:30; Luke 21:20; Josh 6:15,20,8; Rev 8:2,6).
    The "wall" of false teachings will "fall", leaving all those within that city defenseless and conquered. The wall they trusted in will fail them.
    (From “Wall/Christ’s Side” 4womaninthewilderness)
    As a child, I was occasionally assigned to clean the chalk boards after school, using water and a large cloth.  Most children rode the bus home to the far reaches of the farming community I lived in. I was one of the few who walked home from school, which gave me the opportunity to stay longer.  I remember the satisfaction of washing away the day’s writings to reveal a clean board, ready for the new day’s teachings. 
    JWs, from the outset, the organization has added layers and layers of decaying interpretations to its doctrines, like smudged chalk accumulating on a dirty chalkboard. This is the reality behind the organization’s new light philosophy.  In its history, it has never returned to the clean pure truth of Christ’s Word. 
    To understand why God allows his people to submit to this powerful delusion, please see:
     “Who is to Blame?”
    “Spreading Tribulation – Tainted or Tested?”
    “Satan’s Fall”
    4womaninthewilderness blogspot
     

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    Witness got a reaction from Space Merchant in WHITEWASH   
    To get to the meaningful core of what Armageddon is about, which is the battle of truth against lies, we look at Israel’s sins of the past.  Today’s spiritual “Israel” comprised of the anointed ones, is also steeped in sin, resulting from a testing delusion put upon them by Satan; a delusion that is passionately called “the truth”.   Luke 22:31; 2 Thess 2:9-12; Rev 13:1,2,11 
    God does expect us to seek Truth.  Ps 25:5; Matt 7:7,8; John 4:23,24; 8:31,32; 14:6 
    Yet, today’s “Israel” is feeding on the lies of their leaders/prophets. Matt 7:15; Acts 20:29; Rev 16:13,14  
    When reading Ezekiel chapter 13, notice that the term “whitewash” helps reveal what is behind the organization’s ‘new light’ label.  Many translations use the phrase, “untempered mortar”, a few say “loose mud”, or “chalk”; all are descriptive of the organization’s attempt to cover over unstable teachings that do not last.  John 15:16,5 
    “untempered mortar” is defined as “whitewash" used to patch a wall, creating the facade of beauty.
    As an example:
    Matt 23:37 – “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of the bones of the dead and everything unclean.”
    Why were these teachers described by Jesus as whitewashed tombs?
    “You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies. Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me! 46 Can any of you prove me guilty of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don’t you believe me? 47 Whoever belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God.”  John 8:44-47
    By choosing to deny Christ’s words of truth which offer eternal life, they remained in spiritual darkness, alienated from God and life.
     “The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you—they are full of the Spirit and life.”  John 6:63
    “If we claim to have fellowship with him and yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not live out the truth.” 1 John 1:6
    The battle of truth against lies was evident then, and is now, as it reaches the end point in these last days.  The “two witnesses” (“two “meaning truth – John 8:17) proclaim the revealing message from Christ, while false prophets battle against it, with their lies. Dan 12:9; Rev 1:11; 11:3; 1 John 4:6 
    Ezekiel chapter 13:
    The word of the Lord came to me: 2 “Son of man, prophesy against the prophets of Israel who are now prophesying. Say to those who prophesy out of their own imagination: ‘Hear the word of the Lord!3 This is what the Sovereign Lord says: Woe to the foolish (“wicked”) prophets who follow their own spirit and have seen nothing! 
    4 Your prophets, Israel, are like jackals among ruins. (Lam 5:17,18; Ps 44:19)
     5 You have not gone up to the breaches in the wall to repair it for the people of Israel so that it will stand firm in the battle on the day of the Lord. ( Ezek 22:30)
    6 Their visions are false and their divinations a lie. Even though the Lord has not sent them, they say, “The Lord declares,” and expect Him to fulfill their words. (Ps 50:21; Isa 57:11) 
    7 Have you not seen false visions and uttered lying divinations when you say, “The Lord declares,” though I have not spoken? (Ezek 22:28; Rev 16:13,14) 
    8 “‘Therefore this is what the Sovereign Lord says: Because of your false words and lying visions, I am against you, declares the Sovereign Lord.9 My hand will be against the prophets who see false visions and utter lying divinations. They will not belong to the council of my people or be listed in the records of Israel, nor will they enter the land of Israel. Then you will know that I am the Sovereign Lord.  (Rev 13:8)   
    10 “‘Because they lead my people astray, saying, “Peace,” when there is no peace, and because, when a flimsy wall is built, they cover it with whitewash,  (Jer 23:13,17; 1 Thess 5:3) 
    11 therefore tell those who cover it with whitewash that it is going to fall. Rain will come in torrents, and I will send hailstones hurtling down, and violent winds will burst forth. 
    12 When the wall collapses, will people not ask you, “Where is the whitewash you covered it with?”
    13 “‘Therefore this is what the Sovereign Lord says: In my wrath I will unleash a violent wind, and in my anger hailstones and torrents of rain will fall with destructive fury. (Ps 18:12,13; Isa 30:30 [Heb 12:1] Ps 147:17,18; Matt 24:30; Rev 11:3,5; Rev 8:7; Matt 7:24,25}  
    14 I will tear down the wall you have covered with whitewash and will level it to the ground so that its foundation will be laid bare. (Matt 7:26,27; 1 Cor 3:10,13)  When it falls, you will be destroyed in it; and you will know that I am the Lord.
    15 So I will pour out my wrath against the wall and against those who covered it with whitewash. I will say to you, “The wall is gone and so are those who whitewashed it,16 those prophets of Israel who prophesied to Jerusalem and saw visions of peace for her when there was no peace, declares the Sovereign Lord.”’ 
    Pearl Doxsey:
    I have come to appreciate, that "walls" stand for doctrines/teachings. Just as the city wall protects the city from their enemies, so do doctrines defend against threats to faith, but they also offer boundaries to keep a "flock" in an enclosure. My point, is that Ezekiel "dug" a hole in the wall. (Ezek 12:4-7) We know the meaning of "digging" (Prov 2:2-5; Matt 13:44), and when we combine these symbols (digging, wall) I take it as scrutiny of teachings (1 John 4:1; 1 Thess 5:21) which weakens a wall of false doctrine, just as digging holes in a literal wall would. We are told (according to this symbolism) that the "wall" of apostate Jerusalem will fall (see Ezekiel 13:10,11,12,14,15), no matter how much they "whitewash" their teachings.
    I am certain of this connection and meaning of "wall", because the fall of Jericho’s wall is inextricably linked with the "end", and to Revelation (Heb 11:30; Luke 21:20; Josh 6:15,20,8; Rev 8:2,6).
    The "wall" of false teachings will "fall", leaving all those within that city defenseless and conquered. The wall they trusted in will fail them.
    (From “Wall/Christ’s Side” 4womaninthewilderness)
    As a child, I was occasionally assigned to clean the chalk boards after school, using water and a large cloth.  Most children rode the bus home to the far reaches of the farming community I lived in. I was one of the few who walked home from school, which gave me the opportunity to stay longer.  I remember the satisfaction of washing away the day’s writings to reveal a clean board, ready for the new day’s teachings. 
    JWs, from the outset, the organization has added layers and layers of decaying interpretations to its doctrines, like smudged chalk accumulating on a dirty chalkboard. This is the reality behind the organization’s new light philosophy.  In its history, it has never returned to the clean pure truth of Christ’s Word. 
    To understand why God allows his people to submit to this powerful delusion, please see:
     “Who is to Blame?”
    “Spreading Tribulation – Tainted or Tested?”
    “Satan’s Fall”
    4womaninthewilderness blogspot
     

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    Witness got a reaction from Foreigner in WHITEWASH   
    To get to the meaningful core of what Armageddon is about, which is the battle of truth against lies, we look at Israel’s sins of the past.  Today’s spiritual “Israel” comprised of the anointed ones, is also steeped in sin, resulting from a testing delusion put upon them by Satan; a delusion that is passionately called “the truth”.   Luke 22:31; 2 Thess 2:9-12; Rev 13:1,2,11 
    God does expect us to seek Truth.  Ps 25:5; Matt 7:7,8; John 4:23,24; 8:31,32; 14:6 
    Yet, today’s “Israel” is feeding on the lies of their leaders/prophets. Matt 7:15; Acts 20:29; Rev 16:13,14  
    When reading Ezekiel chapter 13, notice that the term “whitewash” helps reveal what is behind the organization’s ‘new light’ label.  Many translations use the phrase, “untempered mortar”, a few say “loose mud”, or “chalk”; all are descriptive of the organization’s attempt to cover over unstable teachings that do not last.  John 15:16,5 
    “untempered mortar” is defined as “whitewash" used to patch a wall, creating the facade of beauty.
    As an example:
    Matt 23:37 – “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of the bones of the dead and everything unclean.”
    Why were these teachers described by Jesus as whitewashed tombs?
    “You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies. Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me! 46 Can any of you prove me guilty of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don’t you believe me? 47 Whoever belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God.”  John 8:44-47
    By choosing to deny Christ’s words of truth which offer eternal life, they remained in spiritual darkness, alienated from God and life.
     “The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you—they are full of the Spirit and life.”  John 6:63
    “If we claim to have fellowship with him and yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not live out the truth.” 1 John 1:6
    The battle of truth against lies was evident then, and is now, as it reaches the end point in these last days.  The “two witnesses” (“two “meaning truth – John 8:17) proclaim the revealing message from Christ, while false prophets battle against it, with their lies. Dan 12:9; Rev 1:11; 11:3; 1 John 4:6 
    Ezekiel chapter 13:
    The word of the Lord came to me: 2 “Son of man, prophesy against the prophets of Israel who are now prophesying. Say to those who prophesy out of their own imagination: ‘Hear the word of the Lord!3 This is what the Sovereign Lord says: Woe to the foolish (“wicked”) prophets who follow their own spirit and have seen nothing! 
    4 Your prophets, Israel, are like jackals among ruins. (Lam 5:17,18; Ps 44:19)
     5 You have not gone up to the breaches in the wall to repair it for the people of Israel so that it will stand firm in the battle on the day of the Lord. ( Ezek 22:30)
    6 Their visions are false and their divinations a lie. Even though the Lord has not sent them, they say, “The Lord declares,” and expect Him to fulfill their words. (Ps 50:21; Isa 57:11) 
    7 Have you not seen false visions and uttered lying divinations when you say, “The Lord declares,” though I have not spoken? (Ezek 22:28; Rev 16:13,14) 
    8 “‘Therefore this is what the Sovereign Lord says: Because of your false words and lying visions, I am against you, declares the Sovereign Lord.9 My hand will be against the prophets who see false visions and utter lying divinations. They will not belong to the council of my people or be listed in the records of Israel, nor will they enter the land of Israel. Then you will know that I am the Sovereign Lord.  (Rev 13:8)   
    10 “‘Because they lead my people astray, saying, “Peace,” when there is no peace, and because, when a flimsy wall is built, they cover it with whitewash,  (Jer 23:13,17; 1 Thess 5:3) 
    11 therefore tell those who cover it with whitewash that it is going to fall. Rain will come in torrents, and I will send hailstones hurtling down, and violent winds will burst forth. 
    12 When the wall collapses, will people not ask you, “Where is the whitewash you covered it with?”
    13 “‘Therefore this is what the Sovereign Lord says: In my wrath I will unleash a violent wind, and in my anger hailstones and torrents of rain will fall with destructive fury. (Ps 18:12,13; Isa 30:30 [Heb 12:1] Ps 147:17,18; Matt 24:30; Rev 11:3,5; Rev 8:7; Matt 7:24,25}  
    14 I will tear down the wall you have covered with whitewash and will level it to the ground so that its foundation will be laid bare. (Matt 7:26,27; 1 Cor 3:10,13)  When it falls, you will be destroyed in it; and you will know that I am the Lord.
    15 So I will pour out my wrath against the wall and against those who covered it with whitewash. I will say to you, “The wall is gone and so are those who whitewashed it,16 those prophets of Israel who prophesied to Jerusalem and saw visions of peace for her when there was no peace, declares the Sovereign Lord.”’ 
    Pearl Doxsey:
    I have come to appreciate, that "walls" stand for doctrines/teachings. Just as the city wall protects the city from their enemies, so do doctrines defend against threats to faith, but they also offer boundaries to keep a "flock" in an enclosure. My point, is that Ezekiel "dug" a hole in the wall. (Ezek 12:4-7) We know the meaning of "digging" (Prov 2:2-5; Matt 13:44), and when we combine these symbols (digging, wall) I take it as scrutiny of teachings (1 John 4:1; 1 Thess 5:21) which weakens a wall of false doctrine, just as digging holes in a literal wall would. We are told (according to this symbolism) that the "wall" of apostate Jerusalem will fall (see Ezekiel 13:10,11,12,14,15), no matter how much they "whitewash" their teachings.
    I am certain of this connection and meaning of "wall", because the fall of Jericho’s wall is inextricably linked with the "end", and to Revelation (Heb 11:30; Luke 21:20; Josh 6:15,20,8; Rev 8:2,6).
    The "wall" of false teachings will "fall", leaving all those within that city defenseless and conquered. The wall they trusted in will fail them.
    (From “Wall/Christ’s Side” 4womaninthewilderness)
    As a child, I was occasionally assigned to clean the chalk boards after school, using water and a large cloth.  Most children rode the bus home to the far reaches of the farming community I lived in. I was one of the few who walked home from school, which gave me the opportunity to stay longer.  I remember the satisfaction of washing away the day’s writings to reveal a clean board, ready for the new day’s teachings. 
    JWs, from the outset, the organization has added layers and layers of decaying interpretations to its doctrines, like smudged chalk accumulating on a dirty chalkboard. This is the reality behind the organization’s new light philosophy.  In its history, it has never returned to the clean pure truth of Christ’s Word. 
    To understand why God allows his people to submit to this powerful delusion, please see:
     “Who is to Blame?”
    “Spreading Tribulation – Tainted or Tested?”
    “Satan’s Fall”
    4womaninthewilderness blogspot
     

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    Witness got a reaction from Foreigner in WHERE ARE THE FALSE MESSIAHS/CHRISTS, FALSE PROPHETS WHO DECEIVE THE ROYAL PRIESTHOOD IN THE LAST DAYS?   
    1 Pet 2:5,9; 2 Cor 11:2-4; Rev 13:13,14; 20:7-10
     
    https://www.facebook.com/groups/restorationofjacob/permalink/1289640377875889/
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in WHAT DID YOU LEARN THAT WAS NEW AT THE 2019 "LOVE NEVER FAILS" REGIONAL CONVENTION ?   
    I'm curious how the convention grapples with 1 John 4:18:
     There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love.
    In a haven of well-practiced "punishment", does love exist?  In such an environment, would fear not exist?
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in WHAT DID YOU LEARN THAT WAS NEW AT THE 2019 "LOVE NEVER FAILS" REGIONAL CONVENTION ?   
    (Edited)
    When Rutherford gave that speech, did he have his listeners' interests at heart?  This was nothing but a lie that people like you believed in, and lived for. From 1918 to 1925 his message was preached with anticipation and excitement, by members like you.    (The Proclaimer’s Book called it “an exciting message”)  When the dust settled, did he have remorse for misleading the congregants? No, he shifted the blame for his false prediction on the members.   
    “It was stated in the ‘Millions’ book that we might reasonably expect them (referring to the resurrection) to return shortly after 1925, but this was merely an expressed opinion; besides it is still shortly after 1925. … Some anticipated that the work would end in 1925, but the Lord did not state so. The difficulty was that the friends inflated their imaginations beyond reason; and that when their imaginations burst asunder, they were inclined to throw away everything.” Watch Tower 1926 pp.196, 232
    How many do you believe were stumbled to see the blame put on them? Was it merely an expressed opinion?  Or was it taught as truth?
     “The date 1925 is even more distinctly indicated by the Scriptures because it is fixed by the law God gave to Israel. Viewing the present situation in Europe, one wonders how it will be possible to hold back the explosion much longer; and that even before 1925 the great crisis will be reached and probably passed.” Watch Tower 1922 Sep 1 p.262
    Does this shifting of the blame sound familiar? It should.  You just recently saw it in action regarding 1975.  Did these two mistakes happen “while keeping on the watch”?
    The leaders of the Watchtower may have various personalities, but their vision is the same; to keep their listeners in their seats by promising them a paradise based on empty speeches.  No, this is not about me, but about the anointed ones in the organization, as well as all JWs who are captivated by WT’s empty promises.   It is about YOU.
    Col 2:8 - "See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the elemental spiritual forces of this world, rather than on Christ." 
    JWs have bought into the organization’s setting the bar higher for the philosophies of the world, and lower for its own philosophies or “empty speeches”.  The instituting of new light when an old prophesy fails is quite the opposite of what God expects of his anointed priests.
     “And now, you priests, this warning is for you. 2 If you do not listen, and if you do not resolve to honor My name,” says the Lord Almighty, “I will send a curse on you, and I will curse your blessings. Yes, I have already cursed them, because you have not resolved to honor Me.
    3 “Because of you I will rebuke your descendants; I will smear on your faces the dung from your festival sacrifices, and you will be carried off with it. 4 And you will know that I have sent you this warning so that my covenant with Levi may continue,” says the Lord Almighty. 5 “My covenant was with him, a covenant of life and peace, and I gave them to him; this called for reverence and he revered Me and stood in awe of My name. 6 True instruction was in his mouth and nothing false was found on his lips. He walked with Me in peace and uprightness, and turned many from sin.
    7 “For the lips of a priest ought to preserve knowledge, because he is the messenger of the Lord Almighty and people seek instruction from his mouth. 8 But you have turned from the way and by your teaching have caused many to stumble; you have violated the covenant with Levi,”says the Lord Almighty. 9 “So I have caused you to be despised and humiliated before all the people, because you have not followed My ways but have shown partiality in matters of the law.”  Mal 2:1-9
    The GB does not honor God with their failed predictions that you excuse as a moment of ‘”making a mistake while keeping on the watch”.   They are more concerned about honoring their organization…and apparently dancing to its beat, as seen in Brazil.  And, worldly organizations do make mistakes. 
    There is a distinction made between your god and its GB head, and the God I’m learning to know, who expects the truth His Son has given us, to be the only truth to be heard.  His truth is in the Bible, not in the corrupt minds of men, who are doing the most damage to the anointed ones of “Israel”.  They will not be sealed if lies are “found in their mouth”.    Zeph 3:13; Rev 14:15; 3:18    Satan, knows this.  2 Thess 2:9-12
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in WHAT DID YOU LEARN THAT WAS NEW AT THE 2019 "LOVE NEVER FAILS" REGIONAL CONVENTION ?   
    And as Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him, and fell down at his feet, and worshipped him.
    26 But Peter took him up, saying, Stand up; I myself also am a man.  Acts 10:25,26
     
    "Everything is yours" - every gift within the Body is a benefit to each member..."There are different kinds of gifts, but the same Spirit distributes them. There are different kinds of service, but the same Lord.  There are different kinds of working, but in all of them and in everyone each one, just as he determines.   All these are the work of one and the same Spirit, and he distributes them to each one, just as he determines."  1 Cor 12:4,6,11
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in WHAT DID YOU LEARN THAT WAS NEW AT THE 2019 "LOVE NEVER FAILS" REGIONAL CONVENTION ?   
    This is as far as read.  You continue to be so blind!  "Empty speeches" are foundation of your organization.   As an example, "Millions Now Living Will Never Die"   
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in WHAT DID YOU LEARN THAT WAS NEW AT THE 2019 "LOVE NEVER FAILS" REGIONAL CONVENTION ?   
    For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God, since it is written, He catches the wise in their craftiness  1 Cor 3:19  
    In this case, Paul is speaking of “wisdom” of the “crafty” religious leaders; as an example, the Pharisees who misled the people with their “worldly” wisdom added to the law.  
    For whenever someone says, “I belong to Paul,” and another, “I belong to Apollos,” are you not acting like mere humans?     What then is Apollos? What is Paul? They are servants through whom you believed, and each has the role the Lord has given. 6 I planted, Apollos watered, but God gave the growth. 7 So then neither the one who plants nor the one who waters is anything, but only God who gives the growth. 
    He refers to God’s spiritual House/Temple in the anointed ones. 1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17; Eph 2:20-22  Of course, within the Watchtower are those who believe they are “wise” and have labeled themselves before Christ has returned, as “faithful and discreet”, and all eyes fall on the GB to lead them. It is so blatantly seen by some on this forum.    Paul says that each member of the body is just as precious as the other, in their apportioned roles.  Rom 12:3-8  This is not the case in the WT.  The GB and their role, is the only role to acknowledge.  Matt 24:48-51
     “Let no one deceive himself. If anyone among you thinks he is wise in this age, let him become a fool so that he can become wise. 19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God, since it is written, He catches the wise in their craftiness; 20 and again, The Lord knows that the reasonings of the wise are futile. 21 So let no one boast in human leaders, for everything is yours— 22 whether Paul or Apollos or Cephas or the world or life or death or things present or things to come—everything is yours, 23 and you belong to Christ, and Christ belongs to God.
    He is saying that within this anointed Body, their only Head is Jesus Christ. Eph 4:15  However, all JWs “boast” in their human leaders.  They must, or they are threatened with disfellowshipping,  by the employment of craftiness.  Rev 13: 11,15
     JWs are totally immersed in the “wisdom of this world” that their human leaders provide for them.  They have become “fools” for following this wisdom.  It is not too late to become wise, according to the teachings of Christ.  Proverbs chapter 4
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    Witness got a reaction from BillyTheKid46 in WHAT DID YOU LEARN THAT WAS NEW AT THE 2019 "LOVE NEVER FAILS" REGIONAL CONVENTION ?   
    This is as far as read.  You continue to be so blind!  "Empty speeches" are foundation of your organization.   As an example, "Millions Now Living Will Never Die"   
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    Witness got a reaction from JOHN BUTLER in WHAT DID YOU LEARN THAT WAS NEW AT THE 2019 "LOVE NEVER FAILS" REGIONAL CONVENTION ?   
    And as Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him, and fell down at his feet, and worshipped him.
    26 But Peter took him up, saying, Stand up; I myself also am a man.  Acts 10:25,26
     
    "Everything is yours" - every gift within the Body is a benefit to each member..."There are different kinds of gifts, but the same Spirit distributes them. There are different kinds of service, but the same Lord.  There are different kinds of working, but in all of them and in everyone each one, just as he determines.   All these are the work of one and the same Spirit, and he distributes them to each one, just as he determines."  1 Cor 12:4,6,11
     
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    Witness got a reaction from JOHN BUTLER in WHAT DID YOU LEARN THAT WAS NEW AT THE 2019 "LOVE NEVER FAILS" REGIONAL CONVENTION ?   
    This is as far as read.  You continue to be so blind!  "Empty speeches" are foundation of your organization.   As an example, "Millions Now Living Will Never Die"   
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    Witness got a reaction from JOHN BUTLER in WHAT DID YOU LEARN THAT WAS NEW AT THE 2019 "LOVE NEVER FAILS" REGIONAL CONVENTION ?   
    For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God, since it is written, He catches the wise in their craftiness  1 Cor 3:19  
    In this case, Paul is speaking of “wisdom” of the “crafty” religious leaders; as an example, the Pharisees who misled the people with their “worldly” wisdom added to the law.  
    For whenever someone says, “I belong to Paul,” and another, “I belong to Apollos,” are you not acting like mere humans?     What then is Apollos? What is Paul? They are servants through whom you believed, and each has the role the Lord has given. 6 I planted, Apollos watered, but God gave the growth. 7 So then neither the one who plants nor the one who waters is anything, but only God who gives the growth. 
    He refers to God’s spiritual House/Temple in the anointed ones. 1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17; Eph 2:20-22  Of course, within the Watchtower are those who believe they are “wise” and have labeled themselves before Christ has returned, as “faithful and discreet”, and all eyes fall on the GB to lead them. It is so blatantly seen by some on this forum.    Paul says that each member of the body is just as precious as the other, in their apportioned roles.  Rom 12:3-8  This is not the case in the WT.  The GB and their role, is the only role to acknowledge.  Matt 24:48-51
     “Let no one deceive himself. If anyone among you thinks he is wise in this age, let him become a fool so that he can become wise. 19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God, since it is written, He catches the wise in their craftiness; 20 and again, The Lord knows that the reasonings of the wise are futile. 21 So let no one boast in human leaders, for everything is yours— 22 whether Paul or Apollos or Cephas or the world or life or death or things present or things to come—everything is yours, 23 and you belong to Christ, and Christ belongs to God.
    He is saying that within this anointed Body, their only Head is Jesus Christ. Eph 4:15  However, all JWs “boast” in their human leaders.  They must, or they are threatened with disfellowshipping,  by the employment of craftiness.  Rev 13: 11,15
     JWs are totally immersed in the “wisdom of this world” that their human leaders provide for them.  They have become “fools” for following this wisdom.  It is not too late to become wise, according to the teachings of Christ.  Proverbs chapter 4
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    Witness reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in WHAT DID YOU LEARN THAT WAS NEW AT THE 2019 "LOVE NEVER FAILS" REGIONAL CONVENTION ?   
    They already know this deep into their souls, Srecko Sostar .... but their AGENDA of defending the indefensible will not allow them to admit to it.
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in WHAT DID YOU LEARN THAT WAS NEW AT THE 2019 "LOVE NEVER FAILS" REGIONAL CONVENTION ?   
    In all of 85% content and in all of 15% content, what i like is honesty and sincerity, everything else is questionable and not impressed me any more :))
    When You or any other JW member speak (preach) how we people have to be honest, good, love our neighbor, not to kill, not to lie or about  some other moral quality i can Upvote for that.  If you mean on JW Theology..? .... that is something else and it deserve Downvotes many times. ....... And You already know this :))
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    Witness got a reaction from JOHN BUTLER in WHAT DID YOU LEARN THAT WAS NEW AT THE 2019 "LOVE NEVER FAILS" REGIONAL CONVENTION ?   
    This is to all JWs. 
    Wouldn’t God expect a product of real truth from his anointed ones?   IF they remain in Christ, Jesus promised he would send the Helper who would tell them, “all things”, which would be truth.   What sort of “things” has the GB passed on to its followers?  John 14:26  “Beliefs Clarified”. 
    “I am the vine; you are the branches. The one who remains in Me and I in him produces much fruit, because you can do nothing without Me.  John 15:5
    Which means, without remaining in Christ, they cannot produce lasting fruit or teachings.  Without remaining in Christ, their teachings rot and need replacing.  Matt 7:17-20  This is the spiritual scene in the exalted  “Jehovah’s organization”, where the leaders suppress the knowledge of Christ and heighten the “knowledge” of 8 men.
    When the nation of Israel did not follow the straight line God laid out for them, but wandered from, or rebelled against God’s decrees, choosing to exalt their idols over God,  they suffered; and not with just a slap on the hand. God removed His protection and lives were lost.  That was history in the making.
    “Now these things became our examples, to the intent that we should not lust after evil things as they also lusted. 7 And do not become idolaters as were some of them. As it is written, “The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play.” 8 Nor let us commit sexual immorality, as some of them did, and in one day twenty-three thousand fell; 9 nor let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed by serpents; 10 nor complain, as some of them also complained, and were destroyed by the destroyer. 11 Now all these things happened to them as examples, and they were written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the ages have come. 1 Cor 10:6-11
     
    Of course, you are somewhat jesting, but it is sad to say such things about the Almighty God, which lessens how important it is for all of us to adhere to His Word in Christ, and not those of men who stumble over their own lips.  Ps chapter 12, ends with, “and what is worthless ("vile", such as rotten fruit) is exalted by the human race”. The organization has the nerve to exalt their blunders - Beliefs Clarified, which is mind boggling.   I believe you are delusional, not alert to the history of God’s people when they fall into sin, or listen to lies.  Discarded teachings are lies, present teachings are lies.  Anymore, there are few of your teachings that are truth.  Rev 16:13,14
    The organization’s entire existence is sin against Christ.  It challenges his word and his priesthood, with the words of men and their counterfeit priesthood.   It fulfills prophesy as the “man of lawlessness” that blasphemes God’s sanctuary/temple in the anointed ones.    Rev 13:1,2,10,18  Remember, they are told not to meet or study the Bible together.  They are threatened and restrained from any independent movement to pursue Truth on their own without risking all that encompasses their “life” in the organization. Rev 13:15
    Thus says the LORD of hosts, "Do not listen to the words of the prophets who are prophesying to you They are leading you into futility; They speak a vision of their own imagination, Not from the mouth of the LORD.  Jer 23:16
    There are so many examples of WT leaders speaking “a vision of their own imagination”, and yet JWs  keep listening to them.  We don’t “take what is offered”, but listen to Christ who said we would know those whom he would send, by their “fruit”, that would last.   Do JWs hear those words from the Bible?   WHO’S WORDS ARE MORE IMPORTANT, THE GB’S?  OR THOSE OF CHRIST?
    Satan presented to Eve a “nourishing food” which contradicted the Word of God.  That lie/food brought death to her and Adam, and her seed.  Any teaching that obviously has been proven not to be from God, brings the same death upon those who create it and those who ingest it and call it truth!  Deut 18:19-22 There is nothing  illuminating or life-giving about it, but it holds an artificial light which Satan is fully capable of producing. 2 Cor 11:13-15  Any group of leaders who do this year after year consistently, did not radiate the light of Christ from day one, no matter what they use to convince you of it.  It is all…a delusion prophesied to occur during the last days, that grabs hold of the anointed ones and their companions. The delusion effectively covers over the presence of the “man of lawlessness”, which is the organization, where the unsealed anointed are not safe under the elder “Gentile” Body.  Matt 24:15; 2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1-3; 13:1,2,7; 9:1-4 
    Your words  “to learn to yield, cooperate, and get along with each other”, obviously originate with WT’s leaders.  Even swine wallowing in the mud can get along with each other.  However, to be Christ-like means to stand up for his pure word, separating ourselves from the historical muck of lies, even if we are persecuted for it.  Isa 52:11; Matt 5:10
     
    2 Thess 2:9-12: “This man (man of lawlessness) will come to do the work of Satan with counterfeit power and signs and miracles. 10 He will use every kind of evil deception to fool those on their way to destruction, because they refuse to love and accept the truth that would save them. 11 So God will cause them to be greatly deceived, and they will believe these lies. 12 Then they will be condemned for enjoying evil *rather than believing the truth.”
    *This isn't WT's version of truth, but that of Christ's.
    Do JWs enjoy being fools?  As the saying goes, 'fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me’.  Sadly, the majority apparently have no shame.
    Dead flies make a perfumer’s oil ferment and stink;
    so a little folly outweighs wisdom and honor.
    2 A wise man’s heart goes to the right,
    but a fool’s heart to the left.
    3 Even when the fool walks along the road, his heart lacks sense,
    and he shows everyone he is a fool.
     
    5 There is an evil I have seen under the sun, an error proceeding from the presence of the ruler:
    6 The fool is appointed to great heights, (GB)
    but the rich remain in lowly positions. (the rest of the anointed under its rule)
    7 I have seen slaves on horses,
    but princes walking on the ground like slaves. (the trampling of God’s temple by a false priesthood who rules over the royal priesthood/Temple of God.  1 Cor 3:16,17; Rev 11:1-3  They are the true princes under the Prince/King of Peace,  not the elder body – Isa 9:6; Dan 12:1; Isa 49:24,25; Rev 19:16; 3:21; 5:9,10 )
    12 The words from the mouth of a wise man are gracious,
    but the lips of a fool consume him.
    13 The beginning of the words of his mouth is folly,
    but the end of his speaking is evil madness. (example, the evolution of “this generation”)
    14 Yet the fool multiplies words.
    No one knows what will happen,
    and who can tell anyone what will happen after him?  Eccl chapter10 
    The Bible is full of the admonition to seek the wisdom of God.  Why would we settle for the folly of a fool? 
    A scoffer seeks wisdom and does not find it, but knowledge is easy to him who understands. Go from the presence of a foolish man, when you do not perceive in him the lips of knowledge. The wisdom of the prudent is to understand his way, but the folly of fools is deceit. Fools mock at sin, but among the upright there is favor.   Prov 14:6-9
    And yes, Jesus desires us to become, “perfect”, by listening to his wisdom. Matt 5:48 It is only men who continually remind you how imperfect you are, capturing you in a spiritual time capsule, and away from the wisdom of the Christ, that halts one’s growth to maturity in the Truth.  Rev 3:18  These men promise you perfection after Armageddon, when Christ promises it now.  John 6:27  
    Of interest, "The Throne of Satan", 4womaninthewilderness   Pearl Doxsey
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