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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in "PLEASE TAKE A MOMENT TO THANK JEHOVAH", FOR USDA FOOD BOXES   
    It looks like the organization is consorting with charlatans. 
    "charlatans" -  a person who pretends to have skills or knowledge that the person does not actually have.
    2 Tim 3:13 – “But evil people and *charlatans will go from bad to worse, deceiving others and being deceived themselves.”
    *γόης góēs, go'-ace; from γοάω goáō (to wail); properly, a wizard (as muttering spells), i.e. (by implication) an imposter:—seducer.
    It is pure wizardry, for the organization to convince its members that "Jehovah" is the source of delivered food boxes.
     
    "Churches distributing USDA food boxes are blurring the boundaries between church and state."
     
    Religious groups distributing Covid hunger-relief boxes are praying with recipients, taping Bible verses onto flaps, and soliciting donations. Some of these practices may violate federal regulations.
    In mid-June, Heather* received a 20-pound box of produce from a local branch of the Jehovah’s Witnesses on behalf of her grandmother, an active member of the church. It held potatoes, onions, apples, and a cauliflower—and came with an unexpected letter: “Dear Brothers and Sisters: We are certain that you agree that all praise and honor goes to our great God Jehovah for his abundant provisions to us!” it read. The letter went on to ask that recipients “keep this gift confidential,” and encouraged them to accept the boxes, even if they did not need the food.
    The box was one of 100 million distributed so far as part of the Department of Agriculture’s (USDA) Farmers to Families Food Box program, the Trump administration’s flagship Covid-19 hunger relief initiative intended to provide emergency food aid to families in need. 
    The letter’s declaration that the boxes came from Jehovah—instead of taxpayers—represents a significant departure from standard operating procedure for federal food aid. So does its plea for confidentiality, which raised a red flag for Heather, who suspected that Jehovah’s Witnesses were saving the boxes exclusively for its members. (*Heather is an inactive member of the group, and we’re withholding her last name at her request). Also odd: The suggestion that recipients accept the boxes regardless of need. According to USDA guidelines, distributors paid by the government to assemble the boxes were supposed to guarantee they would be given to “only needy people.” 
    The letter regarding federal food aid comes from The Jehovah’s Witnesses Disaster Relief Committee. Request to keep the food supplies confidential raised concern for “Heather.”
    Letter from source “Heather” / Graphic by Tricia Vuong
    According to its packaging, the box was distributed by Travel Well Holdings, an airport kiosk company based in Santa Rosa, California, which in May received a $12 million contract to assemble and distribute the boxes as part of the program. (In a phone interview, Travel Well Holdings CEO Desiree Rodriguez said that the company was not aware that some of its boxes were being distributed alongside letters from Jehovah’s Witnesses.)
    In a phone interview, Robert Hendriks, U.S. spokesman for the Jehovah’s Witnesses, confirmed that a local branch had circulated the letter with some boxes during the program’s early weeks, but without authorization from higher-ups. “The wording here does not represent necessarily what we have directed to our disaster relief committees,” Hendriks said. When asked if the organization was distributing to Jehovah’s Witnesses only, Hendriks said that the organization also delivers food boxes to non-believers who attend bible study or services.
    This blurring of lines between church and state when distributing the Farmers to Families food boxes is not unique to the Witnesses: The Counter found multiple instances in which churches promoted their own messages while distributing taxpayer-funded boxes, in potential violation of USDA guidelines. The issues range from relatively minor—like slapping church logos on each box—to more significant: apparently “saving” people at distribution sites, telling recipients the boxes are from God, and asking volunteers to pray “in person” for every single box recipient.
    According to federal regulationns, churches and other faith-based organizations are prohibited from mixing explicitly religious activities with federally funded food aid, “including activities that involve overt religious content such as worship, religious instruction, or proselytization.” As a USDA program, the Farmers to Families Food Boxes are subject to these rules.
    Agency guidance issued in late 2016 pertaining to a separate USDA hunger relief program emphasized that any overlap between religious services and aid distribution is unacceptable. For example, prayer services must be separate in time and place from federally funded aid distribution; and while churches can put flyers out for recipients to pick up, they can’t attach them directly to food boxes. The Counter found evidence of both such incidents. For example, in Warner Robins, Georgia, the Eighth Day Church appears to have attached flyers to food boxes that read, “God is thinking about you,” and feature a Bible verse, according to multiple posts on its Instagram page. (Ironically, the Trump administration did insert letters from the President into many of the boxes, prompting some non-profits to worry they were violating their commitments to avoid political participation.) 
    In response to a list of questions, USDA issued a statement reiterating that all food box distributors were required to adhere to the above federal guidelines. It also added that: “A non-profit faith-based organization participating in the Farmers to Families Food Box Program is permitted to express religious beliefs in the distribution of food boxes, as long as the activity does not disrupt the distribution of USDA benefits or make receipt of USDA benefits contingent on participation in religious activities or assent to religious beliefs.”
    Though the agency’s statement leaves room for interpretation, some legal experts thought some of these instances crossed legal boundaries. “They are instances where it appears that benefits are being conditioned on engaging in religious activity,” said David Barkey, national religious freedom counsel for the Anti-Defamation League, referring to incidents presented by The Counter. “That is unlawful….People shouldn’t have to choose between going hungry and engaging in religious activity they don’t want.”
    Other legal experts we spoke with hedged a bit, saying that USDA’s positioning appears to tacitly permit churches to toe the line in their distribution efforts. “We’re coming close to crossing the line if we haven’t crossed it already,” said Chad Flanders, a professor of religion and law at Saint Louis University.
    The food box initiative has played a central role in the Trump administration’s hunger relief efforts during the coronavirus pandemic. The premise is simple: Distributors purchase food from farmers, pack it into boxes, and deliver it to non-profits, including faith-based organizations, which pass it out. First launched in mid-May as a short-term fix to severely disrupted supply chains, the program has since gone through two rounds of distribution worth nearly $2.7 billion. It hasn’t all been smooth sailing: USDA has faced criticism for contracting with inexperienced and unlicensed companies, overpaying suppliers for mediocre food, and inequitably distributing boxes by region. Yet last month, President Trump approved another $1 billion in funding for a third round of boxes to be delivered from mid-September through October 31.
    In the first two rounds of distribution, USDA placed few restrictions on the non-profits receiving the boxes. Food bank operators told us much of the program operated on an honor system: Non-profits were expected to deliver the food to people who needed it, and the onus was on them to ensure they were doing so safely and fairly. (The agency has strengthened food safety and eligibility requirements for contractors and recipients in the program’s third round, which began in mid-September.)
    This isn’t how federal food aid is typically handed out. When San Antonio Food Bank CEO Eric Cooper partners with faith-based organizations to distribute food in Texas—a common occurrence, as he estimates churches and other religious organizations make up about 70 percent of the food bank’s distribution—they have to sign a contract promising that they’ll handle the food safely, that they won’t sell it, that they can demonstrate each person receiving food needs it, and that they’ll respect recipients’ civil rights by refraining from coupling food aid with any explicitly religious activities. If Cooper’s organization hears that a church is requiring recipients to attend a sermon or participate in a prayer, it sometimes conducts an audit to address the problem. 
    Many of those guardrails seem to have fallen by the wayside with the Farmers to Families food boxes. The Counter identified several churches which advertised, simply, “free food,” available to anyone who asked for it. Come get a box, “even if you don’t need food,” a volunteer in Arizona said in a promotional video on Facebook. A USDA spokesperson pointed to a portion of the food box contract solicitation that read, in apparent contradiction of this claim: “Offeror must self-certify that nonprofits have capability to ensure that only needy people, or the food insecure population, will receive the food boxes through this program.”
    “I cringed when I saw the ‘free food.’ That’s just not the message. So many people get hurt when that happens,” Cooper said. “What I believe is that this investment was to help those that were struggling. Help the farmers, help the industry partners, and help families in need. If the benefit went to someone else, then people were robbed of the nourishment.”
    In the case of Jehovah’s Witnesses, Hendriks said the church’s suggestion that recipients accept a box regardless of need was meant to prevent members from downplaying any private struggles with food insecurity.
    “We didn’t want to give them the choice of rejecting it because many would have just said, ‘Somebody else needs it more’,” he said.
    Other churches inched even closer toward crossing the line between assisting the government in distributing food aid and using the events to promote their own views. Distributing boxes at Word of God Church in Oklahoma City, Brendon Laubhan said in an Instagram video that Revival America OKC volunteers were instructed to pray for every recipient, according to a video posted to Instagram. “We get free food from the government, and we’re giving it out, but the special thing is…we pray with every family that comes and gets food,” Laubhan said in an Instagram video. “We pray for them, we pray with them, we ask the Holy Spirit to come in their lives….We haven’t been turned down one time for prayer.” Laubhan did not respond to request for comment by press time.
    Barkey said that such a blurring of boundaries puts food insecure recipients in a difficult position, in which they may be willing to temporarily consent to faith-based practices that they don’t typically partake in, in order to secure basic needs.
    “If there’s religious activities occurring in the same parking lot, in the same time and space as the food distribution, I think that’s pretty coercive,” he said. “When somebody is saying, ‘What do you want me to pray for you?’…the bottom line is they shouldn’t be asking that question. They simply should be doing what other providers are doing, secular or religious, simply distributing the food.”
    In addition to prayer, some churches appear to be using their public-facing role distributing USDA food boxes to solicit donations. 
    “God has miraculously provided this food – FREE!” wrote Florida-based Church of Hope in an Instagram post announcing its plans to distribute 1,334 Farmers to Families boxes per week. Videos posted to the platform showed volunteers pressing stickers bearing the church logo onto boxes. “But it still costs us to rent the refrigerated trailer, to provide the diesel to keep the refrigeration going, and other items we need to make this all happen. We are asking for you to continue to go above and beyond by giving of your time, talent and treasure.”
    The plea underscores an ongoing criticism of the program: While USDA contracts are supposed to cover all food box distribution costs, many food banks and other nonprofits have complained that they’re incurring significant, unexpected expenses related to storage and last-mile delivery. A spokesperson for Church of Hope said that volunteers at the food box distribution “offered prayer if they wanted it.” 
    Elsewhere, at least one church appears to have celebrated “salvations” at distribution sites. “Today we just gave out 2,000 boxes of food….We had five salvations, over two hundred people prayed for….Did y’all have fun?” asked a representative of California’s Victorville First Assembly of God, in another Instagram video. The church didn’t respond to a request for comment.
     In Missouri, Christian non-profit Heavenly Hope included a postcard featuring Bible verses with each of the 17,000 food boxes that it has delivered so far, according to the organization’s president Beth Giesler. “Our whole thing is that it’s not about the boxes, it’s about spreading God’s love,” Giesler said in a phone interview. Facebook posts show the verses taped to food box flaps. When asked about whether the organization knew it was potentially violating federal guidelines, Giesler said: “If [recipients] chose to read [the postcard], they chose to read it. If they don’t, they don’t.”
    Taken on their own, some of these come just short of explicitly violating USDA’s guidelines—others may even cross the line. Taken together, however, they paint a picture of religious organizations across the country using taxpayer-funded hunger relief as an avenue to promote faith-based practices, particularly among families struggling with food insecurity. That is—if they’re reaching people based on need in the first place. Ultimately, it’s up to USDA to enforce its own rules and ensure that food boxes are being distributed equitably.
    “If the USDA [knows] about this, they should frankly say, ‘Hey, guys, stop it,’” Flanders said. “If they don’t—if they condone it—then we have the further Constitutional problem of favoring religion and allowing religion to use government funds to proselytize.”
    https://thecounter.org/churches-usda-covid-19-food-boxes-boundaries-church-and-state/    
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Faith, Teachings, Doctrines and Intellectuality. Reason and Feelings. Duty, Honor and Decision   
    I like his “critical thinking” on “new light”…
    (As a JW)…“You use the concept called ‘new light’.  ‘New light from Jehovah’, that’s the way every witness is taught.  Well, you gotta stop and ask the question; now, what you were teaching yesterday, you told me that was ‘light from Jehovah’.  Now today, you’re saying that Jehovah gave you new light on top of the light he gave you yesterday, but it’s exactly the opposite.
    And so all of a sudden you begin to see there’s a problem here.  This is not new light.  You’re just trying to fix an error that you made.”
    There’s a problem… (as JWs) we’re already making the assumption that the change (of) what they are going to now start teaching, we make the assumption, that it’s right.  That don’t mean it’s right!  Just because you changed what you were teaching yesterday, (and then) you’re teaching something new today, does not mean that your new teaching is any more right than the one you were teaching yesterday.”
     
    The “new light” concept is a smooth way to cover over the darkness of continual falsehoods, and look how well that concept sells! “And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light”! (2 Cor 11:14)
    “This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but people loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil.   Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that their deeds will be exposed. 21 But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what they have done has been done in the sight of God.”  John 3:19-21
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Faith, Teachings, Doctrines and Intellectuality. Reason and Feelings. Duty, Honor and Decision   
    I like his “critical thinking” on “new light”…
    (As a JW)…“You use the concept called ‘new light’.  ‘New light from Jehovah’, that’s the way every witness is taught.  Well, you gotta stop and ask the question; now, what you were teaching yesterday, you told me that was ‘light from Jehovah’.  Now today, you’re saying that Jehovah gave you new light on top of the light he gave you yesterday, but it’s exactly the opposite.
    And so all of a sudden you begin to see there’s a problem here.  This is not new light.  You’re just trying to fix an error that you made.”
    There’s a problem… (as JWs) we’re already making the assumption that the change (of) what they are going to now start teaching, we make the assumption, that it’s right.  That don’t mean it’s right!  Just because you changed what you were teaching yesterday, (and then) you’re teaching something new today, does not mean that your new teaching is any more right than the one you were teaching yesterday.”
     
    The “new light” concept is a smooth way to cover over the darkness of continual falsehoods, and look how well that concept sells! “And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light”! (2 Cor 11:14)
    “This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but people loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil.   Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that their deeds will be exposed. 21 But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what they have done has been done in the sight of God.”  John 3:19-21
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Watchtower, Records Management and "Superior Authorities" theories   
    "No one calls for justice;
    no one pleads his case honestly.
    They rely on empty pleas; they tell lies;
    they conceive mischief and give birth to iniquity.
    5They hatch the eggs of vipers
    and weave a spider’s web.
    Whoever eats their eggs will die;
    crack one open, and a viper is hatched.
    6Their cobwebs cannot be made into clothing,
    and they cannot cover themselves with their works.
    Their deeds are sinful deeds,
    and acts of violence are in their hands.
    7Their feet run to evil;
    they are swift to shed innocent blood.
    Their thoughts are sinful thoughts;
    ruin and destruction lie in their wake.
    8The way of peace they have not known,
    and there is no justice in their tracks.
    They have turned them into crooked paths;
    no one who treads on them will know peace.
    9Therefore justice is far from us,
    and righteousness does not reach us.
    We hope for light, but there is darkness;
    for brightness, but we walk in gloom.
    10Like the blind, we feel our way along the wall,
    groping like those without eyes.
    We stumble at midday as in the twilight;
    among the vigorous we are like the dead.
    11We all growl like bears
    and moan like doves.
    We hope for justice, but find none,
    for salvation, but it is far from us.
    12For our transgressions are multiplied before You,
    and our sins testify against us.
    Our transgressions are indeed with us,
    and we know our iniquities:
    13rebelling and denying the LORD,
    turning away from our God,
    speaking oppression and revolt,
    conceiving and uttering lies from the heart.
    14So justice is turned away,
    and righteousness stands at a distance.
    For truth has stumbled in the public square,
    and honesty cannot enter.
    15Truth is missing,
    and whoever turns from evil becomes prey."  Isa 59:4-15
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in Faith, Teachings, Doctrines and Intellectuality. Reason and Feelings. Duty, Honor and Decision   
    Let me show you this video which I think has a few very important things for life, not only for JW members but also others who have dedicated their lives to some ideals and ideas.
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in AN OPEN LETTER TO MARK SANDERSON   
    Dear Mr. Sanderson,
    In your most recent video on modesty, I was surprised by your audacious and hypocritical comment on the following account in 2 Chron 26:16-18:
    But after Uzziah became powerful, his pride led to his downfall. He was unfaithful to the Lord his God, and entered the temple of the Lord to burn incense on the altar of incense. 17 Azariah the priest with eighty other courageous priests of the Lord followed him in. 18 They confronted King Uzziah and said, “It is not right for you, Uzziah, to burn incense to the Lord. That is for the priests, the descendants of Aaron, who have been consecrated to burn incense. Leave the sanctuary, for you have been unfaithful; and you will not be honored by the Lord God.”
    You responded by saying, “Can you imagine, he became so emboldened, that he actually went into Jehovah’s temple and burned incense on the altar of incense.  Well, the priests came running, and what did they say to him?  (see) verse 18, ‘It is not proper for you, Uzziah, to burn incense to Jehovah.  It is only the priests that should burn incense.’”
    Incense offerings were decreed to corresponded with the daily sacrifices by the early priesthood of Israel.  (Exod 30:34-38; Lev 2:2 (etc); Num 4:16)  We see its importance in the account of Korah challenging the assigned priesthood and its duties.  Although he was given duties by God as a member of the tribe of Levi, he desired to usurp the authority God gave Moses and Aaron.     
    “So when Moses heard it, he fell on his face; 5 and he spoke to Korah and all his company, saying, “Tomorrow morning the Lord will show who is His and who is holy, and will cause him to come near to Him. That one whom He chooses He will cause to come near to Him. 6 Do this: Take censers, Korah and all your company; 7 put fire in them and put incense in them before the Lord tomorrow, and it shall be that the man whom the Lord chooses is the holy one. You take too much upon yourselves, you sons of Levi!”  Num 16:4-7
    We know the outcome of his rebellion, “…the earth opened its mouth and swallowed them up”. (Num 16:32) When the Wt. wrote of this event, it made it very clear of the consequences Korah suffered by his presumptuous actions, a word you used about Uzziah.  However, as the article then presumptuously and boldly proclaimed, the “daily sacrifices” with the “burning of incense”, is to be administered not by God’s appointed priesthood, but as the article alludes to, by the elder body, who by and large are not anointed priests.
    “Representing the royal priesthood are appointed elders, who serve in positions of responsibility in congregations of Jehovah’s people around the earth.”
    Their position cannot be challenged, as the magazine stated.  When such an aggressive statement is made, a struggle on various levels, can ensue.  This challenge results in a spiritual “war” against God’s holy people.  (Eph 6:12; 1 Pet 5:8; Col 2:8; Rev 13:5-7,10)
    Today’s Temple of God is the anointed household.  (1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17; 6:19-20; 2 Cor 6:16; Eph 2:20-22)  In the last days, the  “man of lawlessness” arrogantly  opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God”  NKJV 2 Thess 2:4
    “Then the king shall do according to his own will: he shall exalt and magnify himself above every god, shall speak blasphemies against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the wrath has been accomplished; for what has been determined shall be done.”  Dan 11:36
    “Then he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme His name, His tabernacle, and those who dwell in heaven. 7 It was granted to him to make war with the saints and to conquer them.”  Rev 13:6,7
    I find the title of this article, the epitome of Wt’s deception: “Loyally Submit to Godly Authority” w02 8/1 p. 12  There is no quality of “modesty”, when one speaks a lie.
    Tell me, how can you show such amazement at Uzziah’s “emboldened” stance in the early temple of God, yet presume that it is acceptable for God’s anointed priesthood to be “represented” by the elder body, absorbing the assigned duties of those who are to submit to the authority of God and Jesus Christ?  It is crystal clear that the governing body is no different than Uzziah, taking it upon themselves to choose who should offer spiritual “daily sacrifices”, and “burn incense” before God. 
    “you also, as living stones, are being built up a spiritual house, a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.” 1 Pet 2:5
    “Therefore by Him let us continually offer the sacrifice  of praise to God, that is, the fruit of our lips, giving thanks to His name.”  Heb 13:15
    It has been prophesied that this abomination, this seize of the holy people through the use of deception, would occur in the last days. (Luke 21:8; Rev 13:12-14; 20:7-10) Yes, the authority of the holy priesthood of God has been challenged.  The Temple of “living stones”, has been “given” to the “Gentiles”, to rule over, and judge as counterfeit priests.  (Rom 14:4; Rev 9:4,19; 13:16,17)
    Rev11:1-3-“Then I was given a reed like a measuring rod. And the angel stood, saying, “Rise and measure the temple of God, the altar, and those who worship there. 2 But leave out the court which is outside the temple, and do not measure it, for it has been given to the Gentiles. And they will tread the holy city underfoot for forty-two months.    And I will give power to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy one thousand two hundred and sixty days, clothed in sackcloth.”
    Can you comprehend that you are the inspiration for this  abomination? (Matt 24:48-51; Rev 13:11,14-17) Do you realize that your organization tells the anointed priests that they must not bond together, since this would destroy the “unity” of your earthly, man-made organization?  No bonding, and no spiritual “daily sacrifices” to be offered by the priests of “Israel”. “Divide and conquer” is the scenario played out wickedly, within the Wt.  (Ezek 21:21,22; Rev 12:12,17; Luke 21:24) 
    Your army of spiritual “Gentiles” have the authority given by you, to disfellowship any “courageous priests” who “confront” you and your army with this abomination, just as the priests did, with Uzziah.  (Rev 13:15; 11:3,7)
    This is the army that the governing leaders of the organization has created: (see Rev 9:1-4,7-11)
    “He even exalted himself as high as the Prince of the host; and by him the daily sacrifices were taken away, and the place of His sanctuary was cast down.”   Dan  8:11
    “Anyone who has rejected Moses’ law dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29 Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace?”  Heb 10:28,29
    Whatever is committed against the members of the Body of Christ, is committed against the Head of the Body.  (Matt 25:40,45; John 15:20; Acts 9:1,5; 1 Cor 12:12-14,25,26)
    “Do you not know that you are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you? If anyone defiles the temple of God, God will destroy him. For the temple of God is holy, which temple you are.” 1 Cor 3:16,17
    Where is your priority?  Is it with God’s Temple, or is with an earthly organization, steeped in lawsuits, spiritual immorality and greed? (1 Tim 4:1,2; Phil 3:18,19; Rom 1:25)  His Temple in Christ has been “building” since the first century. (John 2:19-21; Matt 16:18; Eph 2:20-22)   Your organization is a little over a hundred years old.  Do you really believe God would abandon His Temple of truth, to allow your organization to take precedence? (Acts 7:48-51; 17:24; Matt 24:24; Mark 13:22; Acts 20:29-31) (2 Thess 9:9,10)
    This growing abomination by your comrades in the past and present, has been born and nurtured, through the doctrine of men. (2 Tim 4:3; 1 Tim 4:16; Rev 16:13-15)  Your entire organization has trampled and abandoned God’s Temple of “living stones” residing spiritually “captive” within your “towers”; while expertly creating its own temple of “hewn stones”.  (Isa 9:10,13-16; 29:1-8; Rev 13:1,2,4,8)
    Picture today’s spiritual temple in the royal priesthood, now under the authoritative power of both the governing body, and your “body of elders”:
    “For days will come upon you when your enemies will build an embankment around you, surround you and close you in on every side, 44 and level you, and your children within you, to the ground; and they will not leave in you one stone upon another, because you did not know the time of your visitation.”  Luke 19:43,44 (Rev 20:7-9)
    “Is it time for you yourselves to dwell in your paneled houses, and this temple to lie in ruins?” Hag 1:4
    “For we know Him who said, “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay,” says the Lord. And again, “The Lord will judge His people.” 31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.”  Heb 10:30,31
     
     Paula Knapp
    https://www.facebook.com/groups/restorationofjacob/
     
     
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in Watchtower, Records Management and "Superior Authorities" theories   
    Many readers of the WT magazine are aware that the interpretation of Romans chapter 13 verse 1, (also with 2-4 context),  changed in JW theology.
    It was once thought that the "superior authorities" were: YHVH, Christ and earthly representatives in the form of elders, that is, governing body. These are called "theocratic superior authority".
    "The above quotations from Paul’s letter to the Romans could never have applied to the political powers of Caesar’s world as wrongly claimed by the clergy of Christendom. The Caesars of this world have never demonstrated by their deeds that they are ‘God’s ministers to you for good’. Rather, exactly to the contrary, the Caesars have done evil by persecuting God’s faithful servants." - https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1952443
    I found 3 changes about this doctrine.
    Under Russell and up to 1929 WT understand that this is about secular authority.  “Evil as these Gentile governments have been, they were permitted or “ordained of God” for a wise purpose. (Rom. 13:1)” Studies In the Scriptures Series I - The Divine Plan of the Ages p.250
    Under Rutherford explanation has changed. From 1929 to 1962 they believed this: “The instruction of the thirteenth chapter of Romans has long been misapplied. The improper application has really been the basis for the false doctrine of the “divine right of kings” or rulers to rule and oppress the people. The apostle is, in substance, telling the members of the church that they should always be obedient to God, and that the motive for such obedience must be love for God and a delight in doing’ his will.” Watchtower 1929 Jun 1 p.163.
    In 1962, under Knorr, the Society returned to the original position of Russell. A statement in Babylon the Great Has Fallen! God’s Kingdom Rules! page 548 indicated there was a change in understanding. And, “For some years, until 1962, Jehovah’s Witnesses held that the superior authorities were Jehovah God and Christ Jesus. However, in line with Proverbs 4:18, light increased, and this view was adjusted.” Watchtower 1990 Nov 1 p.11.  It seems how WT organization was left the spiritual “light” received through Russell and "sank" into doctrinal "darkness" for some 33 years. And than they didn't find "new light", but old Russell's doctrine which they reintroduced into the belief system as a “new light”.
    What this introduction have with Management Records Doctrine/Instruction for elders? Whatever the interpretation of these biblical passages from Romans chapter 13, the fact is one: GB and the elders are disobedient to the "superior authority." In fact, they create an internal administrative system to avoid responsibility for their decisions and for their actions. No matter what the topic is.
    In 1:57 of video JW elder Shawn Bartlett mentioned one "company" and circumstances about it in the past. This shows how WT is not honest Corporation. Please pay attention on this example and other reasons about "devil" and "legal matters" he made in video to show elders on this seminar why they need to destroy data.
     
     
    Shawn Bartlett, the records management overseer for the Jehovah's Witnesses, explains the organization's new record-keeping policies during a 2017 seminar..webp
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Prophecy & Signs, Truth & Conspiracy, Covid-19, the UN, Disgusting Thing, Truth and Conspiracies   
    I believe you are right on both accounts.  “Jehovah’s organization” stands in place of YHWH.  It is a mountain-like “rock” that defies our true and only, Rock.  The teaching of the Wt. proves that its organization is an idol, since “salvation” is only possible through adherence to the organization.  They attach the name “Jehovah” to it.
    “To whom will you compare me?
        Or who is my equal?” says the Holy One.  Isa 40:25
    “With whom will you compare me or count me equal?
        To whom will you liken me that we may be compared?” Isa 46:5
    God has one spiritual “organization”; His Temple built on His Son. John 2:19-21   It is His “dwelling”, of Spirit.   It isn’t an earthly dwelling in the form of “wood and stone”. 
    Revelation says,” I did not see a temple in the city, because the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple.”  Rev 21:22   JWs relate to everything they “see”, whether it is WT’s Bethel Headquarters, Branch offices, kingdom halls.  All of these are supposedly “God’s House”, incorporated as “Jehovah’s organization”. 
    The organization’s beating heart, is the Body of Elders.  They are said to be appointed by God’s Spirit.  They become the “gods” of the “spirit-directed” organization/idol.  God’s true Temple and dwelling of Spirit, are the anointed. (1 Cor 3:16,17)  They are the authentic “sons of God” – “gods”. 
    2 Thess 2: 4 - He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God.
    “sitteth in the Temple” – “to set, appoint, to confer a kingdom on one”
    “that he is God”  
    If you look again at Rev 21:22, where God and Jesus ARE the Temple, which is in SPIRIT; remembering that the faithful anointed “stones” are the “home” of God’s Spirit, then we can see that it is the “Gentile” elder body that has trampled/rules over, the dwelling of God.  The Bible says God is Spirit, which is why He can be said to be the Temple. (John 4:24)  The elder body has been appointed as sons of their god/idol – the organization.   The organization is proclaiming that it is God.
    Isn’t this so true.  When anyone leaves the organization, it is taught that they have left “Jehovah”.  The organization touts it is the spiritual “home” of God.
     
    Jesus said to his disciples,  “Anyone who loves me will obey my teaching. My Father will love them, and we will come to them and make our home with them.”  John 14:23
    Eph 2:20-22 explains the true “home”/House of God. 
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in THE MODERN-DAY ASSYRIANS, "KING OF THE NORTH"   
    “Lord, the God of Israel, there is no God like you in heaven above or on earth below—you who keep your covenant of love with your servants who continue wholeheartedly in your way. 22,23
    “When your people Israel have been defeated by an enemy because they have sinned against you, and when they turn back to you and give praise to your name, praying and making supplication to you in this temple, 34 then hear from heaven and forgive the sin of your people Israel and bring them back to the land you gave to their ancestors. 33,34
    When your people go to war against their enemies, wherever you send them, and when they pray to the Lord toward the city you have chosen and the temple I have built for your Name, 45 then hear from heaven their prayer and their plea, and uphold their cause.
    “When they sin against you—for there is no one who does not sin—and you become angry with them and give them over to their enemies, who take them captive to their own lands, far away or near; 47 and if they have a change of heart in the land where they are held captive, and repent and plead with you in the land of their captors and say, ‘We have sinned, we have done wrong, we have acted wickedly’; 48 and if they turn back to you with all their heart and soul in the land of their enemies who took them captive, and pray to you toward the land you gave their ancestors, toward the city you have chosen and the temple I have built for your Name; 49 then from heaven, your dwelling place, hear their prayer and their plea, and uphold their cause. 50 And forgive your people, who have sinned against you; forgive all the offenses they have committed against you, and cause their captors to show them mercy; 51 for they are your people and your inheritance, whom you brought out of Egypt, out of that iron-smelting furnace.” 2 Chron 6:33,34,44,45,46-51
    These verses are taken from Solomon’s dedication prayer at the finish of the first temple, early in his reign as king over Israel.  They are inspired words, verified by the Spirit of God filling the temple Solomon had built, and fire from heaven consuming the burnt offerings.  (2 Chron 7:1-3)
    When I initially woke up to the sins and lies of the organization, I was learning that God’s heavenly House, His Temple today, is built on the Body of Christ; he, as the chief cornerstone with faithful anointed “living stones” of “Israel”, sealed into the Temple since the first century. (1 Pet 2:5,6,9; 1 Cor 3:16; 12:28; 2 Cor 6:16; Eph 2:20-22; Rev 7:4)
    It is not built with earthly riches, and men appointed by men as its priesthood;  who began this endeavor a little over a hundred years ago. (Isa 2:22; James 3:15; Rom 1:25) It is a Temple and “holy city”, of truth. (John 4:23,24; 1 Tim 3:15; Rev 21:2,3)
    It slowly sunk in, that I had been an idolater…for years!  I had put full trust in an organization that operates like many other worldly organizations. I had been deceived into believing that this organization was the way of “truth”, instead of giving credit to Jesus Christ as “truth”, the Head of God’s anointed household of priests.  (John 14:6; Rev 21:10,12,14,27)  
    When reading Solomon’s beautiful words, I realized my need to repent, turning to the Father and Christ in prayer.  I had to submit to God’s refinement in the light of my disgraceful conduct. (Jer 46:48; Job 5:17; 1 Cor 6:11; Heb 10:22; 12:8-11)
    I also had become aware of the nation that was at war with God’s holy people, seducing them into believing a lie. (2 Pet 2:1,2; 2 Thess 2:9-12)
    There is an apparent foe that has come against the organization where most of God’s anointed priests presently dwell among millions of JWs.   It is said that this foe, and the persecution it administers to JWs, is a sign of the last days that Jesus said his true followers would experience. (Matt 24:3,6,7)   Although the organization has yet to announce that the “great tribulation” has arrived, its governing leaders explain that the “king of the north” during the time of the end, is this political foe that has imprisoned JWs for “extremism”. The consensus by JWs, is that they are not an “extreme” group; while the world sees families torn apart by the organization’s strict regulations on obedience to the governing leaders. (Isa 5:20-24)   The world is also now aware that its epidemic of pedophilia has been left unchecked for years.  For these things alone, God could remove His protection from His people.  (Isa 1:4,15,21,23; Isa 59:9; Micah 6:8; Matt 7:12) 
    He has allowed the organization to maneuver its way through suffering at the hands of the nations for years, by leaving it to fight its own battles.  It hypocritically plays on the empathy of others with worldly influence, rubbing shoulders with those in power, and very likely using a large amount of money at its disposal, as leverage to get its way.
    The organization also relates “modern-day Assyrians” to the “king of the north”, whose said intention is to eradicate JWs during Armageddon.  The identity of this “king” seems very flexible in the Wt. vocabulary.  It appears that whatever government is causing the most suffering to JWs at the time, can be labeled as the king of the north. 
    The truth is, what JWs call persecution to “Jehovah’s people” is none other than a demonic-sourced ruse, enacted both in reality, and in the spirit world. (Matt 24:4,10,11; 2 Pet 2:1-3;2 Cor 10:3-5; Eph 6:12; 1 Pet 5:8 ; Col 2:8; Rev 13:1,2,10,11,12)
    Effectively, it has misled God’s anointed ones of the true enemy that has come against His “saints”.  Extremism is absolutely enforced by unfaithful leaders of “Israel” who have left their covenant with Christ.  (Isa 28:15) Cunning and compelling tactics are used to subdue God’s priests, with the purpose of keeping them subservient to a wicked slave/false prophet, and its army of elders. (Matt 24:48,49; Rom 12:16; Phil 2:3; Col 2:20-22;1 John 4:1; Dan 11:21; Rev 13:5,6,11,12;16:13,14 )   
    For anyone to remain within the organization, they must adhere to the regulations of the established powers; both the governing leaders and their body of elders.  They must uphold their dedication oath to the organization and the power it wields. (Hos 9:10) For failing to do this, shunning can result.  For verbally exposing its lies and announcing one’s dedication is only to God and Christ, a disfellowshipping – “killing” – is the result.  (Isa 65:5; 66:5; Matt 5:11,12; Luke 21:12; John 16:2,3; Rev 13:15,16)    
    Although it remains undetected by most, there are two primary “nations” at war; “Jews” of spiritual “Israel”, and spiritual “Gentiles” who rule over them.  Harlots of “Israel” have sided with “Gentile”/elders, to dominate and conquer “her” fellow servants. (Matt 24:50,51; 1 John 3:12, 17:5) This is accomplished by deceit, lies, “empty philosophy”, or “empty seduction”, according to the Greek meaning in Col 2:8. 
    So, is it true that “modern day Assyrian army” is alive and active in the organization as I am suggesting?  There are certain parallel traits of this northern army that spiritually mirror the elder body today.  With eyes that see, its identity can be laid bare, while interpreting its purpose.  (Joel 2:2,3; Rev 9:3,4,7,10; 13:2,7; 20:7-9)
     
    After a vicious rampage on the country of Judah, the king of Assyria set his aim on Jerusalem. (2 Kings 18:13) In the well-known account of King Hezekiah confronting the Assyrians in their attack against Jerusalem, he worked to secure the city by reinforcing its walls. He built a remarkable tunnel that brought water into the city. (2 Chron 32:1-5,30,31; Isa 22:8-11)  He may have been forced by his own officials to approach Epypt for aid. Hezekiah desperately tried to buy out King Sennacherib with tribute payments, to the extent of removing gold from the temple doors, and apologizing for not keeping his tribute oath, in exchange for Judah’s protection. (2 Kings 18:14-16 ) 
     Yet, as Sennacherib wrote down on what is known as the “Taylor Cylinder”, he and all in Jerusalem, remained as caged birds. A portion translated reads,
    “ I reckoned (them) as spoil. Hezekiah himself like a caged bird within Jerusalem,
     his royal city I shut in ...”
    Hezekiah had a reputation as faithful to God and worked diligently to clear his empire of idolatry - the refuse left over from his predecessors. (2 Kings 18:4) It wasn’t until he had exhausted every avenue he could think of to thwart the threat of Assyria, did he then call on the prophet Isaiah for advice, saying, “This day is a day of distress and rebuke and disgrace, as when children come to the moment of birth and there is no strength to deliver them” (2 Kings 19:2-4) (Matt 24:4-8; 1 Thess 5:3; Rev 12:4 )
    Sennacherib’s officials had previously used “empty seduction” to coerce their listeners at the Jerusalem wall, with promises of peace and prosperity, if they submitted to Assyria.  
     “Do not listen to Hezekiah. This is what the king of Assyria says: Make peace with me and come out to me. Then each of you will eat fruit from your own vine and fig tree and drink water from your own cistern, 32 until I come and take you to a land like your own—a land of grain and new wine, a land of bread and vineyards, a land of olive trees and honey. Choose life and not death!” (2 Kings 18:31-32)
    Once Hezekiah received the messages from both Isaiah and Sennacherib’s officials, he approached the temple of God and laid his burden fully before Him.
    “Listen closely, Lord, and hear; open your eyes, Lord, and see. Hear the words that Sennacherib has sent to mock the living God. 17 Lord, it is true that the kings of Assyria have devastated the nations and their lands. 18 They (the lands of Judah) have thrown their gods into the fire, for they were not gods but made by human hands—wood and stone. So they have destroyed them. 19 Now, Lord our God, please save us from his power so that all the kingdoms of the earth may know that you, Lord, are God—you alone.”  . 2 Kings 19:16-19 
    God’s message through Isaiah against Assyria and its King, is quite incredible to read.  (2 Kings 19:21-28)  And, it was in that very night when 185,000 of Sennacherib’s troops died at the hands of God’s angel. 
    In his pride, Sennacherib never mentioned this defeat, the man who called Ninevah, “the Palace without a Rival”.
    The authentic threat that God’s people today face, is the organization itself. It “makes war” against the saints through the use of deceit, conquering them with “empty philosophy…seduction”. (Rev 13:1,2,7,8,10) It has “surrounded the camp of the saints”, like caged birds. (Rev 20:7-9; 16:13-16)  
     Yet, JWs as a whole, believe they have rid themselves of idols, not realizing they are so steeped in the idolatry and false promises of the “Assyrian” way of life, that it will bring their downfall. (Rev 2:20; 13:11,14,16,17,8; 14:9,10)  They submit to its blasphemous rules and lies, including lies about themselves;  trusting that their dedication/oath to the organization will promise security now, in this life, and in the life to come.
    A “tribute” can be defined as, “a payment by one ruler or nation to another in acknowledgment of submission or as the price of protection.”  What kind of payment must the priesthood of God and all within, “pay” in exchange for spiritual “security”, a life they believe comes with future peace and prosperity?  (1 Thess 5:3)  It is paid for, with their loyalty, devotion, veneration, obedience, and material riches. (Rev 13:15,16) Their life as they know it, hinges on obedience to those who rule over them. (Luke 22:25-27; Mark 8:35)
    When everything let loose in Russia against the organization, one of the governing body members stated on a video, “We can say with confidence that all of these efforts that are being made to try to stop our worship of Jehovah, to wipe it out, are not going to have any success.”
    Three years later, we see more severe persecution happening in that country and in other countries as well.  This should prove to the organization that it is committing gross sins.  It should prove that the holy priesthood is failing in upholding their oath to God. (Jonah 2:9) They have forsaken their duties to defend the sanctuary/Temple from the enemy among them, and allowed lies to fester, causing fear within their hearts.  (Josh 7:12; Isa 51:23; Ezek 44:6-9; Matt 5:13; 1 Cor 3:16,17; 2 Cor 5:20; Heb 10:35-39; 1 Pet 3:14; Isa 10:24,25)
    The powerful “King of the north”/ elder body/”man of lawlessness”  has left not one “living stone” upon a stone, in the organization. (Dan 11:28,31,32; Matt 24:15; Mark 13:17; Luke 19:44; 2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 9:1-4;11:1,2; 13:7)
    The organization’s leaders have turned to every avenue possible, to defeat its physical enemy, but because it supports a “spirit-directed mountain-like” idol, with its own priesthood, and refuses to acknowledge and turn to God’s dwelling/Temple of Holy Spirit, its defeat will be far greater than what it now experiences.  Its finish will be through the Spirit of Truth in Christ.  (Mal 3:1; Matt 10:20,40; Heb 4:12; Rev 1:16; 2 Thess 2:8; Rev 11:3-5; 12: 9-11; Zech 4:7; Rev 8:8; 20:10; Jer 23:29) (Zeph 2:13-15)
    Through its arrogant pride, it holds confidence in the weakness of men, and not in the strength and power of God.  (Prov16:18; Ps 10:4; Isa 28:15; 30:12-15; 1 John 2:15) (Zech 4:10,7,8,6)
     
    1 Cor3:16,17 -  Don’t you know that you yourselves are God’s temple and that God’s Spirit dwells in your midst?  If anyone destroys God’s temple, God will destroy that person; for God’s temple is sacred, and you together are that temple.
    It was the Jewish leader themselves, who tore down their own house, by their rejection of the cornerstone, and New Jerusalem above... the mother of Wisdom.
    It was those leaders whom Jesus was addressing, at John 2:19..
    God would not have allowed the Temple of the faithful to be torn down by Gentiles (either then, or now), if they had sought out the true foundation, and had been loyal to it. God will have a Temple to praise Him, whether men choose to be faithful or not...
    "Tear down this Temple, and I will raise it up in three days." (John 2:19)
    We too have the choice before us, as do the leaders of the WT. Upon which foundation, do they choose to build their house?
    If it is not based upon the cornerstone, the 12 foundation stones, and all the living stones of God's priesthood of saints  (1 Pet 2:5,9)...
    then it will collapse and be torn down, by their own doing.
    Pearl Doxsey
     
    Keeping in mind that “Jacob” is “Israel”, the symbolism of the “seven shepherds and eight dukes” that come against “Assyria”, cannot be the “Gentile” elders, since these scriptures speak about the resurgence of “Jacob” – God’s anointed House of “Israel”.
    “Therefore Israel will be abandoned
     until the time when she who is in labor bears a son,
    and the rest of his brothers return
        to join the Israelites.
    4 He will stand and shepherd his flock
        in the strength of the Lord,
        in the majesty of the name of the Lord his God.
    And they will live securely, for then his greatness
        will reach to the ends of the earth.
    5 And he will be our peace
        when the Assyrians invade our land
        and march through our fortresses.
    We will raise against them seven shepherds,
        even eight commanders,
    6 who willcrush the land of Assyria with the sword,
        the land of Nimrod (“Babylon”) with drawn sword.
    He will deliver us from the Assyrians
        when they invade our land
        and march across our borders.
    7 The remnant of Jacob will be
        in the midst of many peoples
    like dew from the Lord,
        like showers on the grass,
    which do not wait for anyone
        or depend on man.
    8 The remnant of Jacob will be among the nations,
        in the midst of many peoples,
    like a lion among the beasts of the forest,
        like a young lion among flocks of sheep,
    which mauls and mangles as it goes,
        and no one can rescue.
    9 Your hand will be lifted up in triumph over your enemies,
        and all your foes will be destroyed.”  Micah 5:3-9
     
    Pearl Doxsey – https://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/
    Eye Salve – Humility, Repentance
    Who Are the Locusts? -
    Priestly Duties
    Gentile Times/Great Tribulation/Cleansed Priesthood
    Who Destroys God’s Temple?
     
     

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    Witness reacted to Matthew9969 in David Splane's 2020 Convention Talk: ....''Jehovah has to come first''   
    If the governing bodies faith was so strong, they wouldn't solicit for funds, set up donation arrangements, sell real-estate like hotcakes. That picture is disgusting and in my opinion is slight elderly abuse, as they are insisting elderly people should starve for the sake of giving their last quarter to the watchtower.
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in David Splane's 2020 Convention Talk: ....''Jehovah has to come first''   
    This reminded me on tropical disaster in Philippine in 2014. i think. And JWorg video showed one JW family who, instead of food, were put WT publications in it.    
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in "JW Box" of "Spiritual Food" for the Africans   
    In Kenya, $100 of US money will buy two 90kg each, of maize and beans.  Plenty, for a family for a month, although it is a restricted diet, supported with greens that they may grow. That is, if they have the land to do so. 
    This box, costing $75.00 requires a contribution from each member in a congregation to purchase it.  Also, there is a fee to update it regularly.  
    How long will the spiritual food last, provided from that box?  A month? Maybe a year? (John 15:16)  Are these people spiritually nourished in the long run, by what it offers?  The “generation of 1914” who were not to die before the Kingdom arrived, were not spiritually nourished by the WT.  On their death bed, I am sure many realized that they were duped into eating worthless food.   (Matt 7:15-20)
    “Which of you, if your son asks for bread, will give him a stone? 10 Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a snake? 11 If you, then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give good gifts to those who ask him! 12 So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.”  Matt 7:9-12
    If you gave someone who is starving in Kenya, the choice of maize and beans, or a box showing men dressed in suits and expensive jewelry, making promises that a starving person cannot wrap their head around, what do you think they would choose? 
    Jesus, the “light of the world”, and the apostles carried the “bread” of life in their words when preaching to the people. (John 8:12; 6:35; 1 Cor 10:17)  On many occasions, money was carried along also, to give to the poor and needy.  How does the WT have the nerve to ask for money, to provide a box that spouts their version of truth/lies?  Not only are donations expected, to sustain the organization, but it is also expected for individuals to pay for the spiritual food that the organization produces.  It sounds like a win-win situation for the WT.
    Lies, in the form of failed prophesy, doctrine of both past and present that was, and is a lie, is darkness; and like oil on water, spiritual darkness offered by the GB, and spiritual light in the teachings of Christ, cannot be combined.
    “So justice is far from us,
        and righteousness does not reach us.
    We look for light, but all is darkness;
        for brightness, but we walk in deep shadows.” Isa 59:9
     We proclaim to you what we have seen and heard, so that you also may have fellowship with us. And our fellowship is with the Father and with his Son, Jesus Christ. 4 We write this to make our joy complete.
    5 This is the message we have heard from him and declare to you: God is light; in him there is no darkness at all. 6 If we claim to have fellowship with him and yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not live out the truth.   1 John 1:3-6
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Shiwiii in "JW Box" of "Spiritual Food" for the Africans   
    In Kenya, $100 of US money will buy two 90kg each, of maize and beans.  Plenty, for a family for a month, although it is a restricted diet, supported with greens that they may grow. That is, if they have the land to do so. 
    This box, costing $75.00 requires a contribution from each member in a congregation to purchase it.  Also, there is a fee to update it regularly.  
    How long will the spiritual food last, provided from that box?  A month? Maybe a year? (John 15:16)  Are these people spiritually nourished in the long run, by what it offers?  The “generation of 1914” who were not to die before the Kingdom arrived, were not spiritually nourished by the WT.  On their death bed, I am sure many realized that they were duped into eating worthless food.   (Matt 7:15-20)
    “Which of you, if your son asks for bread, will give him a stone? 10 Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a snake? 11 If you, then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give good gifts to those who ask him! 12 So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.”  Matt 7:9-12
    If you gave someone who is starving in Kenya, the choice of maize and beans, or a box showing men dressed in suits and expensive jewelry, making promises that a starving person cannot wrap their head around, what do you think they would choose? 
    Jesus, the “light of the world”, and the apostles carried the “bread” of life in their words when preaching to the people. (John 8:12; 6:35; 1 Cor 10:17)  On many occasions, money was carried along also, to give to the poor and needy.  How does the WT have the nerve to ask for money, to provide a box that spouts their version of truth/lies?  Not only are donations expected, to sustain the organization, but it is also expected for individuals to pay for the spiritual food that the organization produces.  It sounds like a win-win situation for the WT.
    Lies, in the form of failed prophesy, doctrine of both past and present that was, and is a lie, is darkness; and like oil on water, spiritual darkness offered by the GB, and spiritual light in the teachings of Christ, cannot be combined.
    “So justice is far from us,
        and righteousness does not reach us.
    We look for light, but all is darkness;
        for brightness, but we walk in deep shadows.” Isa 59:9
     We proclaim to you what we have seen and heard, so that you also may have fellowship with us. And our fellowship is with the Father and with his Son, Jesus Christ. 4 We write this to make our joy complete.
    5 This is the message we have heard from him and declare to you: God is light; in him there is no darkness at all. 6 If we claim to have fellowship with him and yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not live out the truth.   1 John 1:3-6
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in David Splane's 2020 Convention Talk: ....''Jehovah has to come first''   
    Yes, the GB is well taken care of. Whereas this woman, who faces an empty refrigerator in the picture below, has been told to ‘put the kingdom first’.  So, she gives her last bit of money, which helps stock the fridge of the 8 men who live in luxury.  She has misguided faith that soon, God will also fill her fridge as well…“all these things will be added to you”. Matt 6:33.  Isn’t that how JWs perceive the perks of the “preaching work”?
    My husband and I thought the same thing.  If we would go out in service regularly, and dedicate our energy to the organization, the rest of our material needs would be provided for, and relationships would go well.
    We were very wrong.  Putting faith in an earthly organization with a flawed foundation built with lies, led to further cracks that eventually became large painful crevasses that we faced.  We foolishly had put our trust and faith, that “Jehovah’s organization” could promise not only our spiritual security, but earthly security to live in this world.   Matt 7:24-27
    Before Jesus made the statement above, he said,
     “Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rustdestroy and where thieves break in and steal, 20 but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys and where thieves do not break in and steal. 21 For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.”
    The woman in the picture believes that by serving the needs of an organization, that cannot exist without money, (what JW can refute that?), she is serving God as well. 
     “No one can serve two masters, for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and money.”  Matt 6:19-21,24
    Shouldn’t the picture be portrayed as the organization/GB giving money to the woman?  Isn’t that what a typical charity in the world does?  By looking at Matt 6:24, it is clear it isn’t God that is being served first by any JW, but it is the needs of an idol in a world that without money, would die. 
     
    I first learned of this picture on another forum, taken from the 1/2017 Wt.
     

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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in David Splane's 2020 Convention Talk: ....''Jehovah has to come first''   
    Yes, the GB is well taken care of. Whereas this woman, who faces an empty refrigerator in the picture below, has been told to ‘put the kingdom first’.  So, she gives her last bit of money, which helps stock the fridge of the 8 men who live in luxury.  She has misguided faith that soon, God will also fill her fridge as well…“all these things will be added to you”. Matt 6:33.  Isn’t that how JWs perceive the perks of the “preaching work”?
    My husband and I thought the same thing.  If we would go out in service regularly, and dedicate our energy to the organization, the rest of our material needs would be provided for, and relationships would go well.
    We were very wrong.  Putting faith in an earthly organization with a flawed foundation built with lies, led to further cracks that eventually became large painful crevasses that we faced.  We foolishly had put our trust and faith, that “Jehovah’s organization” could promise not only our spiritual security, but earthly security to live in this world.   Matt 7:24-27
    Before Jesus made the statement above, he said,
     “Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rustdestroy and where thieves break in and steal, 20 but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys and where thieves do not break in and steal. 21 For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.”
    The woman in the picture believes that by serving the needs of an organization, that cannot exist without money, (what JW can refute that?), she is serving God as well. 
     “No one can serve two masters, for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and money.”  Matt 6:19-21,24
    Shouldn’t the picture be portrayed as the organization/GB giving money to the woman?  Isn’t that what a typical charity in the world does?  By looking at Matt 6:24, it is clear it isn’t God that is being served first by any JW, but it is the needs of an idol in a world that without money, would die. 
     
    I first learned of this picture on another forum, taken from the 1/2017 Wt.
     

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    Witness reacted to Jack Ryan in "JW Box" of "Spiritual Food" for the Africans   
    https://www.jw.org/en/library/series/how-your-donations-are-used/A-Small-Box-That-Delivers-Spiritual-Food/
    The branch loads usb sticks with videos and content and sends it to the congregation, who then load it to the jw box, which the publishers connect and download into their devices. 
    It works as a normal device and can be charged through usb, adapter or power bank.
    The best part, they want donations of $75 for it! So they don't provide any physical food to people in Africa but they can send them "Spiritual Food" for $75. 
    Turns out, you can buy the same exact thing on Amazon for $45!!! All they did was slap a JW Logo onto of it and cover over the name of the product with a white sticky tape. 
    let's say they bought these in bulk for 20 dollars. If they sell 1million of these at a 50.00 dollar profit. The org just made 50 million !


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    Witness got a reaction from Shiwiii in Prophecy & Signs, Truth & Conspiracy, Covid-19, the UN, Disgusting Thing, Truth and Conspiracies   
    You've totally changed the subject.  Is it because you see truth and don't want to face it?
    Only Jesus’ flesh died; he lived on in the Spirit. He is immortal, and his faithful anointed who remain “in Christ”, also receive immortality at the death of their flesh.  My goodness, he is the SON of God, who is immortal. (1 Tim 1:17)  That immortality will only be given to the anointed, when they are sealed, and proven faithful as sons of God, as Jesus their Head proved to be.  (James 1:12; Rev 2:10; 14:4)
    I preach the Jesus that scripture speaks of.  Perhaps you should consider what Jesus you are preaching. (2 Cor 11:4) 
    “The Spirit is the one who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and are life.”  John 6:63
     “Therefore, do not be ashamed of the testimony about our Lord, nor me his prisoner, but suffer along with me for the gospel, according to the power of God, 9 who saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works but according to his own purpose and grace that was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began, 10 but has now been disclosed by the appearing of our Savior Jesus Christ, who has abolished death and brought to light life and immortality through the gospel,” 2 Tim 1:8-10
    All of God’s children who are resurrected to eternal life in the Kingdom will receive “immortality”, since death will be destroyed at the end Armageddon; meaning no one who receives life in the Kingdom, will die a thousand years later. (1 Cor 15:26; 1 Cor 15:42)  Just as Adam, before he fell into sin, portrayed the ‘likeness’ of God, so will all of God’s children in the Kingdom.    Gen 5:1,2
    The gospel, the word of Christ, contains eternal  life to those who embrace it and obey that Word. (John 8:47)
    As a “new creation”, given to the anointed, one is both human and spirit, as Jesus showed us when appearing to the apostles after his flesh had died and he was resurrected. (2 Cor 5:17; Luke 24:5,6)  He appeared to them in different “fleshly” forms.  (Luke 24:13-16; Mark 16:12; 1 Cor 15:6,7)  The anointed will have that ability also.  (Gen 28:10-14; John 1:15)
     
    "Immortality":
    ἀφθαρσία aphtharsía, af-thar-see'-ah; from G862; incorruptibility; genitive, unending existence; (figuratively) genuineness:—immortality, incorruption, sincerity
    “But whenever this perishable body puts on incorruptibility and this mortal body puts on immortality, then the saying that is written will take place:  “Death is swallowed up in victory.”  1 Cor 15:54
    "Grace be with all who love our Lord Jesus Christ in incorruptibility."  Eph 6:24
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Prophecy & Signs, Truth & Conspiracy, Covid-19, the UN, Disgusting Thing, Truth and Conspiracies   
    You do know that in Dan 11:38, where it states “he will honor a god of fortresses”, it is speaking about the King of the North?  According to your organization, that would be Russia.  Most JWs may believe in 1914 as you say, but do you believe what your leaders teach you, about the King of the North?  Or, do you have your own opinion?
    I’m glad you have your own opinion.  Just realize that the “armed forces” of the King of the North, “desecrates the temple fortress” and abolishes the “daily sacrifice”.  (Dan 11:31)
    It is the “man of lawlessness”, who “honors a god of fortresses”, setting up the “abomination of desolation”, which means that the temple of God is desolated by an idol – a “god of fortresses”.  Matt 24:15
    Who comprise the Temple of God?  1 Cor 3:16,17; 2 Cor 6:16; Eph 2:20-22
    “As you come to him, the living Stone—rejected by humans but chosen by God and precious to him— 5 you also, like living stones, are being built into a spiritual house to be a holy priesthood, offering spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. 
     “But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God’s special possession, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light.”
    Who is it, that “represents the royal priesthood”, replacing their "daily sacrifices" as well?
    Who is it, that keeps the organization moving forward in all aspects?  The GB?  Not for long. (Rev 17:12,13,16,17)   It is the elder body – a large army of men – “armed forces”. (Dan 11:31)
    And who is it, that cannot meet together as a holy priesthood” and offer their spiritual “daily sacrifices”? 
    I think you know.
    JWs honor the same god of fortresses, as the King of the North. 
     A fortress is a haven of safety, providing security from the enemy.
    “Our spiritual heritage can also infuse in us a deep sense of spiritual security that can be enjoyed only within Jehovah’s organization.” w05 2/15 pp. 17-22
    “They have fallen into the deep hole of this system of things and are desperately trying to crawl out and return to the haven of Jehovah’s organization.”  w92 8/1 p. 28
    A fortress provides peace of mind for those who believe they are safe within it. 
    “And come they have by the hundreds and thousands—happy, lovable people who have found rest and peace in Jehovah’s organization.  yb82 pp. 34-112
     
    You said, "Jehovah is loving, and gives us signs.  He does not do anything without warning us".
    “Now, brothers and sisters, about times and dates we do not need to write to you, 2 for you know very well that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. 3 While people are saying, “Peace and safety,” destruction will come on them suddenly, as labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape.” 1 Thess 5:2,3
     
    Our only “fortress”,  should be God, who's Spirit resides in His Temple.

    “When you cry for help, let those idols of yours save you! (that god of fortresses, that mighty army of elders)
     A puff of wind will carry them off! (2 Thess 2:8)
     But those who trust in Me will live in the land and will worship Me in my Temple.” Isa 57:13
    …not in, “Jehovah’s organization”
     
     
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Queensland passes law to jail priests for not reporting confessions of child sexual abuse   
    No doubt in Jesus’ day, the nations far and wide committed heinous atrocities.  But Jesus appeared to his people under covenant with God.  He didn’t concern himself with people of the nations, since God judges each person in righteousness, according to the circumstances they live in; according to their heart.
    God’s focus has always been with His people, Israel, and those in direct contact with them who may have joined them, or whom Israel was influenced by.  So, Jesus’ reason for appearing, was as a “messenger”/”prophet”/Son of God/fulfilled promise of the firstborn of Abraham’s seed – Son of man.  He came to the “lost sheep of Israel”.  Matt 15:24  Later, the good news was opened to the Gentiles and “Israel” came to include people from all nations.  (Rom 9:6-8)
    God has a people under covenant today – spiritual “Israel” – His anointed priesthood and "living stones" of the Temple of God.  (1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17; Eph 2:20-22)  The remaining "stones" today, reside under the rule of modern-day Pharisees.  They are the first on the list to receive God’s attention, and along with them, those in their companionship.  While you look elsewhere, and condemn the nations not under covenant with God, you fail to see the heinous crimes committed by the organization, where “Israel” is found. You fail to take these sins seriously.   God’s holy people under covenant are His royal priesthood. 1 Pet 2:5,9  They have transgressed His covenant by tolerating the Temple – themselves - to be “trampled” by a corrupt duel power over them – the GB and the “Gentile” elder body. (Matt 24:15; Mark 13:14; 2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1,2)
    JWs take it for granted that God will be soft on His people who may have committed the same crime found among nations in the world.  God is never “soft” when it comes to ignoring His decrees, which includes the “laws” of His Temple.   (Ezek 43:11)  He expects His priesthood to live by them, not to make other decrees as the Pharisees were known for; and now what the GB are known for.  (Mark 7:7)
    God will judge all people of all nations on the earth, in a righteous manner.  But, should that be your concern, or shouldn’t your concern be what is happening where you “live” – where “Israel” resides?  Since you cannot see it, or care to absorb the seriousness of it…since JWs have glazed their eyes over and tolerate the many sins among them…
     …from pedophilia, unrighteous disfellowshipping, shunning, extortion, the trampling down of God’s holy people, and veneration to an organization/idol…
    …they most certainly live in a false sense of morality, in pride, arrogance, and a false “peace and security”.  (1 Thess 5:3)  God’s people are blind to their own sins, as Jesus witnessed when he walked the earth among his people.   Matt 13:14,15
    Who do you think Rev 18:4 is addressing?  It is God’s people under covenant – “Israel”/”kings of the earth” who have been downtrodden by the Beast/organization that has deceived them.  Rev 16:13,14 (Rev 1:5; 17:18)
    I’m sorry for your blindness, and your warped sense of morality as you uphold a rulership that has attempted to hide its sins for years. I am sorry for all JWs who believe they have found salvation in an idol, a people who have this arrogance that they are approved by God to receive salvation, in spite of the sins committed among them.  Those sins are being revealed,as well as the "man of lawlessness"/elder body/false priesthood is revealed in the last days.  How is this done?  By the "breath"/spirit of Christ within his "two witnesses" sent to preach to the Temple "living stones". (2 Thess 2:8; Rev 11:1-3)
    As Jesus said, the last of God’s repentant priests would be preaching to “Israel”, before his return. That remnant is the anointed who have left confusion (“Babylon”) and preach in “sackcloth”, because God’s Temple has been “given to the Gentiles” – the elder body, who “represent the royal priesthood”. (Rev 11:1-3) The remnant who are preaching now, were “killed” by this false priesthood for their testimony to Christ.  Rev 13:15; 11:7; 12:17  They were not persecuted for belonging to an idol – “Jehovah’s organization”, as you may believe is happening in Russia;  but persecuted by their own people, as Jesus Christ was.
    “Brother will betray brother to death, and a father his child; children will rebel against their parents and have them put to death. 22 You will be hated by everyone because of me, but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved. 23 When you are persecuted in one place, flee to another. Truly I tell you, you will not finish going through the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes.  Matt 10:21-23
    “But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days. 2 People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, 3 without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, 4 treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God— 5 having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with such people.”  1 Tim 3:1-5
     
    “I will send my messenger, who will prepare the way before me. Then suddenly the Lord you are seeking will come to his temple; the messenger of the covenant, whom you desire, will come,” says the Lord Almighty.
    2 But who can endure the day of his coming? Who can stand when he appears? For he will be like a refiner’s fire or a launderer’s soap. 3 He will sit as a refiner and purifier of silver; he will purify the Levites and refine them like gold and silver. Then the Lord will have men who will bring offerings in righteousness, 4 and the offerings of Judah and Jerusalem will be acceptable to the Lord, as in days gone by, as in former years.
     “So I will come to put you on trial. I will be quick to testify against sorcerers, adulterers and perjurers, against those who defraud laborers of their wages, who oppress the widows and the fatherless, and deprive the foreigners among you of justice, but do not fear me,” says the Lord Almighty.
     
    “You have spoken arrogantly against me,” says the Lord.
    “Yet you ask, ‘What have we said against you?’
    14 “You have said, ‘It is futile to serve God. What do we gain by carrying out his requirements and going about like mourners before the Lord Almighty? 15 But now we call the arrogant blessed. Certainly evildoers prosper, and even when they put God to the test, they get away with it.’”
    Then those who feared the Lord talked with each other, and the Lord listened and heard. A scroll of remembrance was written in his presence concerning those who feared the Lord and honored his name.
    17 “On the day when I act,” says the Lord Almighty, “they will be my treasured possession. I will spare them, just as a father has compassion and spares his son who serves him. 18 And you will again see the distinction between the righteous and the wicked, between those who serve God and those who do not.”
    From Malachi, chapter 3
     
    “Two Witnesses – Elijah and Moses” - https://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2013/09/two-witnesses-elijah-and-moses.html
     
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Queensland passes law to jail priests for not reporting confessions of child sexual abuse   
    “Representing the royal priesthood are appointed elders, who serve in positions of responsibility in congregations of Jehovah’s people around the earth. These men deserve our respect and wholehearted support, whether they are of the anointed or not. Why? Because, through his holy spirit, Jehovah has appointed the older men to their positions.
     Rather than challenge their authority, we truly appreciate our hardworking elders!  W02/8/1 pp 9-14”
     With representation of God’s priests, comes apparent authority.  It is interesting that God would bless this non-biblical position, since nowhere in the Bible does scripture say God would allow His priests to be represented or replaced.
    But then, do JWs care what God thinks?  I wonder.
    “The Lord said to Aaron, “You, your sons and your family are to bear the responsibility for offenses connected with the sanctuary, and you and your sons alone are to bear the responsibility for offenses connected with the priesthood.
    You are to be responsible for the care of the sanctuary and the altar, so that my wrath will not fall on the Israelites again. 6 I myself have selected your fellow Levites from among the Israelites as a gift to you, dedicated to the Lord to do the work at the tent of meeting. 7 But only you and your sons may serve as priests in connection with everything at the altar and inside the curtain. I am giving you the service of the priesthood as a gift. Anyone else who comes near the sanctuary is to be put to death.”  Num 18:1,5-7
    Since the anointed are the sanctuary Temple/House of God, the GB has allowed others  (“Gentiles”) to come “near the sanctuary”, and act as God’s priests.  Elders “sit” – rule with authority – over/in,  the Temple of God.  2 Thess 2:3,4; 1 Cor 3:16,17; 1 Pet 2:5,9; Eph 2:20-22; Rev 13:5-7
    The Lord said to Moses, 6 “Bring the tribe of Levi and present them to Aaron the priest to assist him. 7 They are to perform duties for him and for the whole community at the tent of meeting by doing the work of the tabernacle. 
    “Appoint Aaron and his sons to serve as priests; anyone else who approaches the sanctuary is to be put to death.” Num 3:6,10
     
    Will Queensland challenge the authority of the elder body? Should we let Queensland know who are the acting priests of the WT?
    Will the elder body back down and refuse to be called “priests” when they are confronted by their actions of not reporting child abuse, and the promise of jail time looms before them?  Or, for “Jehovah’s organization” will they do their time in jail, instead of obeying the laws? 
    Every JW should challenge the authority of the elder body over them.  It is lawlessness. 
    “His armed forces will rise up to desecrate the temple fortress and will abolish the daily sacrifice. Then they will set up the abomination that causes desolation. 32 With flattery he will corrupt those who have violated the covenant, but the people who know their God will firmly resist him.” Dan 11:31,32
     
       
    Priests in Queensland will now be compelled to break the seal of confession to report child sexual abuse or face three years in jail.
    Key points:
    The law was passed with the support of the Opposition It enacts a recommendation of the child sexual abuse royal commission Police Minister Mark Ryan says it will help protect vulnerable children New laws passed through Queensland Parliament will force members of the clergy to report known or suspected cases of abuse to police.
    The legislation means religious institutions and their members are no longer able to use the sanctity of confessional as a defence or excuse in child sex abuse matters.
    Police Minister Mark Ryan said the laws would ensure better protection for vulnerable children.
    "The requirement and quite frankly the moral obligation to report concerning behaviours towards children applies to everyone everyone in this community," he said.
    "No one group or occupation is being singled out.
    The laws apply to information received from now, even if it relates to abuse that occurred in the past.
    The law was supported by the Opposition.
    'They will go to jail before obeying'
    But One Nation MP Stephen Andrew said it set a dangerous precedent for religious leaders.
    "The bill poses a real danger for public trust and cohesion in our community," Mr Andrew said.
    Archbishop Mark Coleridge argues the new law won't improve child safety.(ABC News: Lincoln Rothall) "Many priests and bishops have publicly stated that they will go to jail before obeying these laws.
    "How confident can the people of Queensland be that they live in a free and open democracy governed by the rule of law, where the state jails its bishops?"
    Members of the Catholic Church in Queensland have previously voiced their opposition to the laws.
    Earlier this year, Brisbane Catholic Archbishop Mark Coleridge told the ABC he believed breaking the confessional seal would "not make a difference to the safety of young people".
    'It's about morality'
    Hetty Johnston from the child protection group Bravehearts expressed her support for the new laws.
    "I don't think there is enough jail time in the world that would replace a child's innocence … what sort of punishment is suitable for someone who would allow that to happen?
    "So I don't know that it's about time, it's about morality."
    The laws enact recommendations of the Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse.
    The passing of the law also coincides with Queensland child protection week.
    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-08/queensland-law-jail-priests-not-reporting-child-sex-confessions/12642144
     
    "Trample" - How Does it Happen?  https://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2013/09/trample-how-does-it-happen.html
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Queensland passes law to jail priests for not reporting confessions of child sexual abuse   
    No doubt in Jesus’ day, the nations far and wide committed heinous atrocities.  But Jesus appeared to his people under covenant with God.  He didn’t concern himself with people of the nations, since God judges each person in righteousness, according to the circumstances they live in; according to their heart.
    God’s focus has always been with His people, Israel, and those in direct contact with them who may have joined them, or whom Israel was influenced by.  So, Jesus’ reason for appearing, was as a “messenger”/”prophet”/Son of God/fulfilled promise of the firstborn of Abraham’s seed – Son of man.  He came to the “lost sheep of Israel”.  Matt 15:24  Later, the good news was opened to the Gentiles and “Israel” came to include people from all nations.  (Rom 9:6-8)
    God has a people under covenant today – spiritual “Israel” – His anointed priesthood and "living stones" of the Temple of God.  (1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17; Eph 2:20-22)  The remaining "stones" today, reside under the rule of modern-day Pharisees.  They are the first on the list to receive God’s attention, and along with them, those in their companionship.  While you look elsewhere, and condemn the nations not under covenant with God, you fail to see the heinous crimes committed by the organization, where “Israel” is found. You fail to take these sins seriously.   God’s holy people under covenant are His royal priesthood. 1 Pet 2:5,9  They have transgressed His covenant by tolerating the Temple – themselves - to be “trampled” by a corrupt duel power over them – the GB and the “Gentile” elder body. (Matt 24:15; Mark 13:14; 2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1,2)
    JWs take it for granted that God will be soft on His people who may have committed the same crime found among nations in the world.  God is never “soft” when it comes to ignoring His decrees, which includes the “laws” of His Temple.   (Ezek 43:11)  He expects His priesthood to live by them, not to make other decrees as the Pharisees were known for; and now what the GB are known for.  (Mark 7:7)
    God will judge all people of all nations on the earth, in a righteous manner.  But, should that be your concern, or shouldn’t your concern be what is happening where you “live” – where “Israel” resides?  Since you cannot see it, or care to absorb the seriousness of it…since JWs have glazed their eyes over and tolerate the many sins among them…
     …from pedophilia, unrighteous disfellowshipping, shunning, extortion, the trampling down of God’s holy people, and veneration to an organization/idol…
    …they most certainly live in a false sense of morality, in pride, arrogance, and a false “peace and security”.  (1 Thess 5:3)  God’s people are blind to their own sins, as Jesus witnessed when he walked the earth among his people.   Matt 13:14,15
    Who do you think Rev 18:4 is addressing?  It is God’s people under covenant – “Israel”/”kings of the earth” who have been downtrodden by the Beast/organization that has deceived them.  Rev 16:13,14 (Rev 1:5; 17:18)
    I’m sorry for your blindness, and your warped sense of morality as you uphold a rulership that has attempted to hide its sins for years. I am sorry for all JWs who believe they have found salvation in an idol, a people who have this arrogance that they are approved by God to receive salvation, in spite of the sins committed among them.  Those sins are being revealed,as well as the "man of lawlessness"/elder body/false priesthood is revealed in the last days.  How is this done?  By the "breath"/spirit of Christ within his "two witnesses" sent to preach to the Temple "living stones". (2 Thess 2:8; Rev 11:1-3)
    As Jesus said, the last of God’s repentant priests would be preaching to “Israel”, before his return. That remnant is the anointed who have left confusion (“Babylon”) and preach in “sackcloth”, because God’s Temple has been “given to the Gentiles” – the elder body, who “represent the royal priesthood”. (Rev 11:1-3) The remnant who are preaching now, were “killed” by this false priesthood for their testimony to Christ.  Rev 13:15; 11:7; 12:17  They were not persecuted for belonging to an idol – “Jehovah’s organization”, as you may believe is happening in Russia;  but persecuted by their own people, as Jesus Christ was.
    “Brother will betray brother to death, and a father his child; children will rebel against their parents and have them put to death. 22 You will be hated by everyone because of me, but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved. 23 When you are persecuted in one place, flee to another. Truly I tell you, you will not finish going through the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes.  Matt 10:21-23
    “But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days. 2 People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, 3 without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, 4 treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God— 5 having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with such people.”  1 Tim 3:1-5
     
    “I will send my messenger, who will prepare the way before me. Then suddenly the Lord you are seeking will come to his temple; the messenger of the covenant, whom you desire, will come,” says the Lord Almighty.
    2 But who can endure the day of his coming? Who can stand when he appears? For he will be like a refiner’s fire or a launderer’s soap. 3 He will sit as a refiner and purifier of silver; he will purify the Levites and refine them like gold and silver. Then the Lord will have men who will bring offerings in righteousness, 4 and the offerings of Judah and Jerusalem will be acceptable to the Lord, as in days gone by, as in former years.
     “So I will come to put you on trial. I will be quick to testify against sorcerers, adulterers and perjurers, against those who defraud laborers of their wages, who oppress the widows and the fatherless, and deprive the foreigners among you of justice, but do not fear me,” says the Lord Almighty.
     
    “You have spoken arrogantly against me,” says the Lord.
    “Yet you ask, ‘What have we said against you?’
    14 “You have said, ‘It is futile to serve God. What do we gain by carrying out his requirements and going about like mourners before the Lord Almighty? 15 But now we call the arrogant blessed. Certainly evildoers prosper, and even when they put God to the test, they get away with it.’”
    Then those who feared the Lord talked with each other, and the Lord listened and heard. A scroll of remembrance was written in his presence concerning those who feared the Lord and honored his name.
    17 “On the day when I act,” says the Lord Almighty, “they will be my treasured possession. I will spare them, just as a father has compassion and spares his son who serves him. 18 And you will again see the distinction between the righteous and the wicked, between those who serve God and those who do not.”
    From Malachi, chapter 3
     
    “Two Witnesses – Elijah and Moses” - https://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2013/09/two-witnesses-elijah-and-moses.html
     
     
     
     
  23. Upvote
    Witness reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in Queensland passes law to jail priests for not reporting confessions of child sexual abuse   
    I didn't bother to read all of @Arauna's rant because she was only making excuses for the Paedophiles in the CCJW and the dishonesty of the GB in withholding information from the American courts and authorities.  Her first sentence said it all really. 
    Question: Is it really about MORALITY or are they going after all christian religions? 
    The answer is that they are going after Paedophiles so that CHILDREN can be protected. And obviously the GB and most JWs think more of the Organisation than they do about God, Christ and children.  The Superior Authorities were put in place by God and this scripture is quite clear about it. 
    Romans 13 v 1 through 4. 
     Let every person be in subjection to the superior authorities, for there is no authority except by God;  the existing authorities stand placed in their relative positions by God. 2  Therefore, whoever opposes the authority has taken a stand against the arrangement of God;  those who have taken a stand against it will bring judgment against themselves. 3  For those rulers are an object of fear, not to the good deed, but to the bad.  Do you want to be free of fear of the authority? Keep doing good, and you will have praise from it; 4  for it is God’s minister to you for your good. But if you are doing what is bad, be in fear, for it is not without purpose that it bears the sword. It is God’s minister, an avenger to express wrath against the one practicing what is bad.
    It is so sad when JWs, including the GB,  disobey God deliberately, just to protect an organisation. 
  24. Thanks
    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Queensland passes law to jail priests for not reporting confessions of child sexual abuse   
    “Representing the royal priesthood are appointed elders, who serve in positions of responsibility in congregations of Jehovah’s people around the earth. These men deserve our respect and wholehearted support, whether they are of the anointed or not. Why? Because, through his holy spirit, Jehovah has appointed the older men to their positions.
     Rather than challenge their authority, we truly appreciate our hardworking elders!  W02/8/1 pp 9-14”
     With representation of God’s priests, comes apparent authority.  It is interesting that God would bless this non-biblical position, since nowhere in the Bible does scripture say God would allow His priests to be represented or replaced.
    But then, do JWs care what God thinks?  I wonder.
    “The Lord said to Aaron, “You, your sons and your family are to bear the responsibility for offenses connected with the sanctuary, and you and your sons alone are to bear the responsibility for offenses connected with the priesthood.
    You are to be responsible for the care of the sanctuary and the altar, so that my wrath will not fall on the Israelites again. 6 I myself have selected your fellow Levites from among the Israelites as a gift to you, dedicated to the Lord to do the work at the tent of meeting. 7 But only you and your sons may serve as priests in connection with everything at the altar and inside the curtain. I am giving you the service of the priesthood as a gift. Anyone else who comes near the sanctuary is to be put to death.”  Num 18:1,5-7
    Since the anointed are the sanctuary Temple/House of God, the GB has allowed others  (“Gentiles”) to come “near the sanctuary”, and act as God’s priests.  Elders “sit” – rule with authority – over/in,  the Temple of God.  2 Thess 2:3,4; 1 Cor 3:16,17; 1 Pet 2:5,9; Eph 2:20-22; Rev 13:5-7
    The Lord said to Moses, 6 “Bring the tribe of Levi and present them to Aaron the priest to assist him. 7 They are to perform duties for him and for the whole community at the tent of meeting by doing the work of the tabernacle. 
    “Appoint Aaron and his sons to serve as priests; anyone else who approaches the sanctuary is to be put to death.” Num 3:6,10
     
    Will Queensland challenge the authority of the elder body? Should we let Queensland know who are the acting priests of the WT?
    Will the elder body back down and refuse to be called “priests” when they are confronted by their actions of not reporting child abuse, and the promise of jail time looms before them?  Or, for “Jehovah’s organization” will they do their time in jail, instead of obeying the laws? 
    Every JW should challenge the authority of the elder body over them.  It is lawlessness. 
    “His armed forces will rise up to desecrate the temple fortress and will abolish the daily sacrifice. Then they will set up the abomination that causes desolation. 32 With flattery he will corrupt those who have violated the covenant, but the people who know their God will firmly resist him.” Dan 11:31,32
     
       
    Priests in Queensland will now be compelled to break the seal of confession to report child sexual abuse or face three years in jail.
    Key points:
    The law was passed with the support of the Opposition It enacts a recommendation of the child sexual abuse royal commission Police Minister Mark Ryan says it will help protect vulnerable children New laws passed through Queensland Parliament will force members of the clergy to report known or suspected cases of abuse to police.
    The legislation means religious institutions and their members are no longer able to use the sanctity of confessional as a defence or excuse in child sex abuse matters.
    Police Minister Mark Ryan said the laws would ensure better protection for vulnerable children.
    "The requirement and quite frankly the moral obligation to report concerning behaviours towards children applies to everyone everyone in this community," he said.
    "No one group or occupation is being singled out.
    The laws apply to information received from now, even if it relates to abuse that occurred in the past.
    The law was supported by the Opposition.
    'They will go to jail before obeying'
    But One Nation MP Stephen Andrew said it set a dangerous precedent for religious leaders.
    "The bill poses a real danger for public trust and cohesion in our community," Mr Andrew said.
    Archbishop Mark Coleridge argues the new law won't improve child safety.(ABC News: Lincoln Rothall) "Many priests and bishops have publicly stated that they will go to jail before obeying these laws.
    "How confident can the people of Queensland be that they live in a free and open democracy governed by the rule of law, where the state jails its bishops?"
    Members of the Catholic Church in Queensland have previously voiced their opposition to the laws.
    Earlier this year, Brisbane Catholic Archbishop Mark Coleridge told the ABC he believed breaking the confessional seal would "not make a difference to the safety of young people".
    'It's about morality'
    Hetty Johnston from the child protection group Bravehearts expressed her support for the new laws.
    "I don't think there is enough jail time in the world that would replace a child's innocence … what sort of punishment is suitable for someone who would allow that to happen?
    "So I don't know that it's about time, it's about morality."
    The laws enact recommendations of the Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse.
    The passing of the law also coincides with Queensland child protection week.
    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-08/queensland-law-jail-priests-not-reporting-child-sex-confessions/12642144
     
    "Trample" - How Does it Happen?  https://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2013/09/trample-how-does-it-happen.html
  25. Upvote
    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in ALL aspects of 1914 doctrine are now problematic from a Scriptural point of view   
    It really doesn’t take meticulous research to disprove 1914. 
    “ In 1914 the long-awaited new heavens came into existence. The Messianic Kingdom born in that year rules from heaven itself, and Jehovah has given it authority over all the earth.   ip chapter 26, pp 372-389 
    Anyone who was anointed after the death of the last of the anointed ones in the first group—that is, after those who witnessed the “beginning of pangs of distress” in 1914—would not be part of “this generation.”—Matt. 24:8.    Kr chapter 1 pg 6-12
    The Kingdom was apparently BORN in 1914
    FOLLOWED BY “pangs of distress”  in the same year, as translated by the NWT
    The Greek word for “pangs of distress”:  
    ὠδίν ōdín, o-deen'; akin to G3601; a pang or throe, especially of childbirth:—pain, sorrow, travail.
    “the pain of childbirth, travail pain, birth pangs”
    As in 1 Thess 5:3 – “For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.”
     
    Various translations:
    All these events are the beginning of birth pains.  HSCB
    But all these things are the beginning of birth pains.  LEB
    All these are the beginning of birth pains.  NIV
    All this is but the beginning [the early pains] of the birth pangs [of the intolerable anguish]. AMPC
    These things are only the beginning of troubles, like the first pains of a woman giving birth.  ERV
     Why does the NWT say “pangs of distress” and not "birth pains"?  Because, anyone with any sense knows that birth does not happen before birth pains – before labor, that results in birth. 
     
     
    http://pearl-laborpains.blogspot.com/
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
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