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So let me ask you this then. As your position holds close to that of the jw, at death is that sin not paid for? I mean the wages of sin is death right? See, I do not subscribe to the idea that once I die all of my sins are paid by my death, it merely means I no longer have the ability to perform more sin. I am only washed clean by the blood of Jesus and my faith in Him. I can't see how suicide is an option if your faith is in Jesus. So in essence, I agree that suicide is wrong and possibly a sin, but I just want to know what is being used as support for such a claim.......especially by the jw, because of the wages of sin = death thing.

damn typical fashion!!!! UGH, distracted this from the main topic by means of the shell game. You're good mr gone away, very good. I bit. Back to our regular scheduled program. So which is it? Alliance with the Bible on who is still here after Armageddon or the wt and its publications?

I think you are right, honestly. With the broadcast by mr. splaine, or it could have been mr lett, stating they had more going out then coming in, you just might be seeing the beginning of the end......Armageddon of the wt.

The wt IS offering children to Molech by means of allowing pedophiles to hide within. It is super simple, report abuse to the police........period. Quit trying to be above the law. In fact we are to pray for those in charge, government leaders/police/mayors/etc. 1 Timothy 2:1 First of all, then, I urge that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be made for all people, 2 for kings and all who are in high positions, that we may lead a peaceful and quiet life, godly and dignified in every way.

you are correct John. Not only that but the continuous payment on building loans to wt headquarters after those loans have been paid back to the bank in full by the wt.

So what you are saying is that its ok because it is the wt doing it for economic reasons and its not ok for other groups to do it for economic reasons. Gotcha.......sheesh. You're speaking out of both sides of your mouth. no problem at all from me about what jws want to do with their money and time. The problem I have is, the hypocritical stance of doing the same thing, but yet condemning others for the same practices. that is pure speculation, unless you have some reports of Hindu money practices. what isn't speculation is the numerous court cases that the wt is fighting across the world with your funds. I know you don't care about those issues nor that your money is being used in this way, but it is the facts.

lets try this another way. According to the publications produced by the wt: What group solely has any scriptural hope of surviving the impending end of this doomed system? What group must one identify with to gain salvation? If we left a group and lost the hope of life in God's new world because of leaving this group, what group would that be?

It is the cognitive dissonance that won't allow you. It is completely logical and that is the problem.

The question posed was "How is this different from "passing the plate", it is not. You said you couldn't comprehend that, and now you are telling me? The fact of the matter is that it is exactly the same thing, to cover costs associated with whatever religious events the group puts on, no matter if they are Catholic/Hindu/Christian/jws.

It is interesting to note that you too, thought that those quotes would lead someone to believe that the wt is saying that one must be part of the wt org for salvation. That must be because it DOES SAY THAT.

Bahahahaha, Nice deflection. I think you are dodging the topic because you know what I said is true, you just can't accept it.

"Only Jehovah's Witnesses, those of the anointed remnant and the "great crowd," as a united organization under the protection of the Supreme Organizer, have any Scriptural hope of surviving the impending end of this doomed system dominated by Satan the Devil." Watchtower 1989 Sep 1 p.19 "They must appreciate that identifying themselves with Jehovah's organization is essential to their salvation." Kingdom Ministry Nov 1990 Just as Noah and his God-fearing family were preserved in the ark, survival of individuals today depends on their faith and their loyal association with the earthly part of Jehovah's universal organization." Watchtower 2006 May 15 p.22 "Are You Prepared for Survival?" "But Jehovah's servants already belong to the only organization that will survive the end of this wicked system of things." Watchtower Dec 2007 "An even greater mistake would be to allow the faults of others to stumble us and cause us to leave Jehovah’s organization. Were that to happen, we would lose not only the privilege of doing God’s will but also the hope of life in God’s new world." Watchtower June 2016 study edition So while some of you claim that it is only God who decides, which IS true, the wt has made the claims otherwise. Gone Away: Which side are you on? The Bible, God's word, or the publications of the wt? JW Insider: While the talk may be toned down, the position hasn't changed since at least 1989. Unless it has changed in the past 2 years Through the publications of the wt, they have stated that only jws will survive Armageddon and the 1000 year reign. So those of you who are jws, how does that sit with you in light of scripture?

Oh I quite agree with you, however when it is stated in the publications otherwise, what do you make of it? Do you side with scripture or do you side with the organizations publications?

Are you both serious? Really? You mean to tell me that you cannot see the similarities between passing the plate and requesting money? Had this come from the Catholic church encouraging their members to fork over some money, you two would be going over some dialog in your minds of how jws are so much better because the jws don't do that. The fact of the matter is ALL churches do it. They all do it for the same exact reasons stated here and elsewhere, to cover expenses. Do some spend it frivolously and are wasteful? Sure. Is any one group innocent in their dealings with the peoples money 100% of the time, probably not. Are there some who try to use the money responsibly? No doubt. But to look down your nose at another group while ignoring your own actions is the perfect definition of hypocrisy.

While there are PLENTY of scriptures we can quote, I'm more interested in the official stance on the matter from the gb vs regular jws.

what do you want me to do about your struggle?

This absolutely makes no sense. While yes with a play of words it is true, but not in the sense of jws today. I think that is a bit of grasping at straws really. I don't have the articles on hand at the moment, but I do recall the sentiment of actual jws will be the only ones left. This was my question and point. Since no one here has come out and said "only jws will be left", I'll have to find the articles. I think Tony Morris spoke on this as well and mentioned something of the sort of likeness between human flesh and hotdogs on a grill. I'll dig up the articles, but even if I do it seems as though most will shrug it off and make some excuse. But the question still remains: Is it your position that only jws, as they are defined and structured today, will be left after the 1000 year reign?

its not

Isn't it believed by jw's that between your #3 sub points and your #4 is when God will sweep clean and destroy all who are not jw's at that time? Setting aside those who have died previously, we're only dealing with those alive during this period.

no, I was asking if the only ones left are jw's. Well actually not asking, but rather confirming what jws believe.

wait a minute. So after this 1000 years, who's left? Just jw's right? its only those who have associated with the organization, well according to the publications. Right?

hear hear! Only problem is that: "you're gonna make Jehovah sad" "you're going to bring reproach on Jehovah's organization" "you're going beyond what is written" "listen to us, even if it sounds bats#it crazy"

about as difficult to get most jw congs to report child abuse in the first place.

am I a number? lol I'm not Jewish and I am not from the mentioned tribes in Revelation 7:4-8............. I fail I'm also not a virgin, Revelation 14:4 ...........I fail I have lied before, Revelation 14:5............. I fail So, I do not qualify according to the standard God has placed in the Bible. I am male though, so I guess I qualify 1/5th of the requirements. ......I pass.....err......well just this part.