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    This statement right here is unbiblical. For reference see acts 8:34-38
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    stretching it a bit aren't we? I mean on a full on technicality yes you are correct, but if we are going to use logic and common sense, you fail. If you really want to believe this , go right ahead, the rest of us will continue in the real world. if Jesus is our example and this was how He said to do it, then why is it not adhered to? Oh, that's right, because YOU and the wt know better. Got it. I didn't even read this past a few sentences, why? because it is the same thing from you. A twist or some convoluted definition of a word that technically makes you seem correct. Again, believe what you'd like and I'll do as well. Those of us who reside in the real world will continue to understand implications of words and context just fine. Just curious, why is it that every answer you give to me has this same ring to it? It always comes back to a broad definition that makes your argument technically correct even when you know it isn't?
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    Right. Does God need us to be baptized at all? Nope. Does it do us some good? yep, but it is not required. Thus it is not required of anyone per Luke 23 39 One of the criminals who were hanged railed at him,[d] saying, “Are you not the Christ? Save yourself and us!” 40 But the other rebuked him, saying, “Do you not fear God, since you are under the same sentence of condemnation? 41 And we indeed justly, for we are receiving the due reward of our deeds; but this man has done nothing wrong.” 42 And he said, “Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom.” 43 And he said to him, “Truly, I say to you, today you will be with me in paradise.”
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    no one argues that children are capable of aligning with God and naturally some do. However, child baptism is not spoken of in the Bible. There are many scriptures about teaching them, but none about baptizing them. You are twisting scripture to support your position on children. The scripture states what Jesus said to His disciples and even then the jw falls short on exactly how Jesus said to baptize. 18 And Jesus came and said to them, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in[b] the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age.” this whole statement here provides nothing to the conversation of child baptism. again, How can a child understand the concept of repentance when they in general, commit the same mistakes over and over? They can't, that's why there are age appropriate punishments. I wrote this again because it really is this simple, Children learn from their parents and by experiences, but that does not give them the ability to understand consequences of all sorts. For instance, a child does not comprehend the consequence of failure to obey the law, they just know it is bad or they might get thrown in jail, not the actual consequences.
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    I think the reason why is because of how the wt holds it over the children in such a way that they are shunned if the child makes a mistake, as children usually do. This takes the authority away from the parents to teach and guide their children and gives it to the wt. Such a decision should not be made by children, but rather when they become adults and are fully informed of the repercussions of not following the company policy. as far as the origin of baptism as a whole, I do not recall of an instance of a child being baptized in the Bible. In fact Jesus Himself was not until He reached the age of 30, and since He is our guide and example, shouldn't we also adhere to His standard/example? How can a child understand the concept of repentance when they in general, commit the same mistakes over and over? They can't, that's why there are age appropriate punishments.
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    But wait, did the wt print the news articles about child abuse? I mean we all know that is a problem within the org.
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    So equating coming to Jesus to be blessed with baptism is how you justify this practice? Reread the scripture you quoted, it states NOTHING about baptizing. This is the classic example of where the wt has trained it's followers to use scripture out of context just as they do.
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    lol, no offense ever taken over it. It is actually spelled with only one i at the end. I think somehow the forum made me add them. https://glosbe.com/zun/en/shiwi http://ashiwi-museum.org/
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    I did. I have read not all of it but enough of it to formulate my opinion and make a good comment in good conscience. Tom, you have written with a passion and a poise from your true belief and heart. I cannot deny that fact. I commend you for the amount of what you put into words and can honestly say that it truly takes a writer to write as much as you have in this, and the other books you have written. You have given the reader a solid grasp of the topic you represent and that is something I struggle to see here in this forum at times. While I understand that everyone writes for different reasons, some want to provide facts while others want to present missed information and many more reasons. The only thing I can say about your book that is relevant to this topic on this forum, is that it is a opinion piece. There is nothing wrong with that, it just is what it is. I appreciate the fact that you let me read it, it gives me more understanding of who you are and where your thoughts reside. Thank you Tom.
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    Tom, I read your introduction to you book. I'll reply tomorrow on it. I want to make a good statement, and have to think about it. Perhaps you can send me a digital copy and I'll read it and respond accordingly. Until then, I'll reply tomorrow.
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    You know what is kinda funny Tom? Is that your sarcastic comments have underlying truth to it that you don't even know. It's almost like you do know, but can't say it frankly, so you have to resort to the sarcasm.
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    I'm just curious about what people think when they hear that more kh's have been sold and folks sent to other kh's that had less people in it. This has come about with the recent announcement in Montreal of the dissolving of 16 cong's and closures of 3 kh's by April of this year. I think it is very interesting, mostly because this is the new trend. Selling of kh's as well as property in Brooklyn. What gets me thinking is the recent changes from the past few years. At one time the local people owned the kh's, took loans out and paid for everything mostly with local funds and labor. Then we had the provision that the wt would assume the loans and local cong's would just pay wt. This was an open-ended situation with no payoff date. Local cong's would just keep paying what they were prior and all would be good. Now, I am sure that there are plenty of situations that warrant wt's help in paying for the kh's, but all in all it looked like a nice steady income for wt. Now I am seeing the merge of cong's and kh's being sold. Who gets this money? oh well, we all know who......wt. Not the local cong who built it. To me this is interesting and something that I think will wake up a lot of folks as they look into it, but I'd like to hear some thoughts from the other side of the coin. Anyone care to answer?
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    see, its eating at Tom. Truth is getting him to think about it and continue the exchange to try and save some face

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    ok sure, answer this: Johnny boy is allowed to recycle his plastic, glass bottles and aluminum cans in the State of Arizona in California (in certain cities) Johnny boy is required to recycle his plastic, glass bottles and aluminum cans. Is this the same thing? Is the practice of recycling "fixed" in Arizona?
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    I expect nothing less from those who defend the practices of wt/gb about CSA. on a good note though, truth has a way of planting a seed and It WILL grow, it will grow on their conscience in due time.
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    Why do you dodge simple truth in order to divert the topic to something irrelevant for the sake of sarcasm when you could just answer straightforward?
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    So why then does said practice have to be defined? Have they run out of material/spiritual food, kinda like tv shows sometimes? Is it going to be in the next wt that murder might be a disfellowshiping offence? They created more questions then the answer they gave. Silly really.
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    regardless what I think about jws in general, there is a big difference from being allowed and requiring. Here, for your entertainment Tom: Johnny boy is allowed to recycle his plastic, glass bottles and aluminum cans in the State of Arizona in California (in certain cities) Johnny boy is required to recycle his plastic, glass bottles and aluminum cans. Is this the same thing? Is the practice of recycling "fixed" in Arizona?
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    Hang on just a second Tom. Do you really think this is fixed? I mean, now it ALLOWS reporting without repercussion and not instructed to report. That is not quite the same thing. Don't get me wrong, I am happy to see that they are now allowing it to be reported, but it isn't the fix.
  20. Shiwiii
    But it is their job right? They are trained professionals, right? Unlike any person called a wt elder.
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    Sadly it has taken the secular courts in many countries to force this to happen. Not by the desire to protect, not the pleas of the victims, and not because of what is right, it is solely because of the loss of money.
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    There is, you know it as well as everyone on this forum. Your cognitive dissonance is showing. yes, and I stand by my comments. Finally there is a change, albeit a slight one, but still some change. Sadly this is knee jerk reaction to the piling up lawsuits. No, technically no one needs another witness to bring anything up to the proper authorities, but this is just a play on words with you. You know right well what we are talking about, but choose to hide behind words and technical definitions to convey your support for the org as well as your possible disgust of CSA and to save face with normal people. You have been trained to play words to create loopholes, just as John was talking about. Anna, I agree we cannot continue this conversation based on technical definitions of words and the ambiguity of your position based upon whom you are talking to or about, instead of the actual topic and PROBLEM at hand.
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    really? Or is it only the part before and not this part:
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    Did you even read what I wrote? In your scenario, no one knows.....no one.......nada....zilch....none. So it cannot be reported. And how in the world do you even consider this to be a supporting factor in the discussion? Its like saying if a tree falls in the woods and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound? In mine, maybe I failed to mention the part of someone going to the elders, but someone DOES know and still refuses to report it.
  25. Shiwiii
    so then there you have it, it should be reported because it is abuse and sometimes the victim will not come forward based on fear of more abuse. How is that to happen in your scenario? not a single person knows of the abuse, not one. But when elders do know about it they refuse to report based on no mandatory reporting laws. Again, there wouldn't be lawsuits if this weren't real.
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