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    "Barking dogs" and JW's preaching service about The End

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    Funny tho.... You dont see anything wrong when u r indoctrinated is probably because u r either half asleep or thinking about something else when they r giving the talks, but u r soooo blinded by the whole thing.

    I was telling one of PIMI friends about the mediator thingy and she refused to see how jesus is not mediator to all mankind according to the GB teaching, she just said i was twisting the whole thing but kept saying look at it they r only for the annointed all other JWs are just benefactors of the annointed. 😆😆😆 I gave up trying to make her see what the GB was saying. So even they own JWs dont believe what their own doctrines are.

    Truth by Tie Bros

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    The problem with this illustration is that the thermostat is calibrated by watchtower and tells whatever temperature the watchtower wants to tell. The other problem we have seen during the last 10 years the watchtower will tell one temperature to the public another temperature to the JWs and changes the records of previous temperature.

    The question you will have to ask, do i keep getting my temperature reading from that thermostat or do i change it?

    Jehovah's Witnesses have hired known cult apologist Massimo Introvigne to write a 21-page "Expert Opinion" defending the Witnesses for their child abuse mishandling.

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    9 hours ago, 4Jah2me said:

    The JW Org / Watchtower Soc' / GB  are No part of the world ? 

    They seem to be digging themselves deeper into the world every day. Obviously NOT guided by God's holy spirit. 

    The plot thickens, but they cannot have God's approval at all, on this and many other matters. 

    Is Almighty God bringing it all to a head ?

    Is Jesus Christ showing the world how wicked the GB and it's Org are ?

    Come on JWs lets hear your defence of this one 

    Unfortunately we have seen time after time the watchtower can twist, lied and change things as it suits them, so im sure they can make something up..

    And remember the watchtower doesn't need to defend themselves if JWs doesn't know about it.... 😆😆😆

    Jehovah's Witnesses' "Hailstone Message"

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    11 hours ago, JW Insider said:

    No persecution broke out against anyone associated with the Watchtower in 1914, or 1915, or 1916. Does this mean that it took Jesus a very long time to battle with Satan before he could finally throw him out of heaven? I don't think that was the issue at all!

    Brother Russell died just two months shy of 1917, and so there was only a very short time before the next election. As the Watch Tower's and Brother Russell's attorney since 1907, Brother Rutherford had made himself the most prominent, and he was the most active in trying to make sure that the Watchtower didn't end up in the hands of the persons that Russell had picked. This was probably a good thing, because those persons whom Russell had picked were not immediately active in trying to pick up the reins of the Watchtower, because it made more sense that "the Lord" was about to act on their behalf, and that they should just go on doing things the way Russell had wanted by following his "last will and testament" and expecting things to just work out for the best. Especially because it appeared that the expected "END" was now more than 24 months overdue. They expected that Russell, whom they saw as a "SAINT" was still actively running the Society from heaven. 

    But Rutherford was quite different, and he had just completed a work in 1915 that showed that, as Russell's attorney, he knew all the potential scandals that Russell had been associated with. He would not have had the attitude that things will just work out because "SAINT" Russell was still running things from the other side of the veil. He was many times more practical, and used the opportunity to gain control of the Watchtower. It looked like the Watchtower would have completely flailed into oblivion without Rutherford at the head. He brought things to a head by the middle of 1917 with the release of "The Finished Mystery" in July, at the same time that Russell dismissed a majority of the 7 directors.

    It was this point that brought some measure of persecution to the doors of the Watchtower. The majority of the directors felt that Rutherford was persecuting the Watch Tower Society, by becoming autocratic and not following Russell's "last will," and by going against the articles of incorporation of the Watch Tower Society. But again, this majority "turned the other cheek" instead of standing up for themselves, probably with the same idea that the Lord would provide, and that Russell, although he had died, had been immediately resurrected and would actively run things from the other side of the veil.

    Of course, Rutherford, and the two directors that stayed with him, felt that it was the four ousted directors who were persecuting them, and when Rutherford replaced those four with persons loyal to him, this became the only way to look at it. Their persecution failed to touch Rutherford though, and Rutherford had won. So except for some legal maneuvering, there was really no persecution on anyone even in 1916 and most of 1917.

    But the book that Fisher and Woodworth had written, the Finished Mystery, had gone much further than Russell ever did in speaking out against war and speaking out against the religions that supported war. This got them in trouble in Canada first where religious leaders felt especially "persecuted" by the book, so they got behind some legal maneuvering to get the book banned. With war hysteria high, it was the perfect time to get some action that might not have otherwise been taken against the Bible Students there.

    By 1918 the United States Justice Dept with it's Bureau of Investigation was already arresting people and preachers and activists who were speaking out against the draft, and therefore the people behind the Finished Mystery were already in the sights of the government. The book was banned and several brothers all around the United States were arrested and some served jail terms. When the Society itself was investigated, the Society was found to have also been peripherally involved in helping persons try to avoid the draft, but in a way that was careful enough to probably not have resulted in a win against the Society after appeal. But they were arrested for trial and lost the first trial which dealt mostly with the Finished Mystery, but they were not allowed bail during the appeal process so that the directors had to spend several months in Federal Prison while waiting for the appeal.

    This was pretty much the entire persecution! It was a very low level of persecution when we consider what kind of religious persecution had been going on in various countries between Catholics and Protestants, "Christians" and Jews, "Christians" and Native Americans, "Christians" and colonial non-Christians, a few other relgiously motivated persecutions around the world.

    It also seemed like an extremely low level of persecution when we consider what Satan has been able to accomplish since then among other peoples, where religious differences have provoked war and persecution that ended up killing literally millions.

    What it did do that seemed significant was nearly put the Bible Students and the Watchtower Society out of business. But the Watchtower continued to be published during this period. Also after the President of the WTS got out of prison in May 1919, the trial was discontinued because the US prosecution was pretty sure it could not win such a trial outside of wartime. Rutherford immediately started up the campaign for the predictions due in 1925. This campaign was called "Millions Now Living Will Never Die." That campaign kept the Watch Tower Society alive and motivated, although its failure, along with the removal of the unique doctrines of Russell resulted in the decimation of the numbers of Bible Students from 1926 through the end of that decade.

    This all interisiting but how come there is not mention about the Germans and Rutherford?

    Specially Rutherford brought a lot of the persecution to the society because of his stand with Germans! 

     

    Jehovah's Witnesses' "Hailstone Message"

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    4 hours ago, the Sower of Seed said:

    I was thinking of the day Brother Russell began near 1878. 

    1914 harmonizes with the persecution that began shortly after that. Why did persecution break out?

    Re.12:12 On this account be glad, you heavens and you who reside in them! Woe for the earth and for the sea, because the Devil has come down to you, having great anger, knowing that he has a short period of time.”

    When Jesus was Anointed as the 1st King of God's Kingdom, we went through the Heavens, ousting Satan and other opposers of Jehovah.

    Many Books are written about how people changed after 1914. People used to leave the door open when they went for groceries or such, they would turn the porch chair around, that people could see from the sidewalk they were gone. Think of that, they were actually concerned someone would make a wasted walk up the sidewalk!

    What organization was persecuted? The one Satan knew Jesus was leading!

    You do know the reason why the persecution of the head of the watchtower started in1914?

    King David

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    2 hours ago, Arauna said:

    Your choice...... 

    Indeed my choice. Not according to watchtower...

    2 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

    I am not church member. I gave my opinion and thoughts and questions. You said: When Jehovah allowed things it was not the ideal but he allowed it because - as Jesus said - they were hard-hearted. 

    Why you think, how JHVH dealing with human in this way, by allow, is not ideal?? JHVH is perfect and if he decide "to allow" things, than that IS ideal. You need more faith :)))

    As i can understand so far, JHVH "allowed" (perhaps exist some Bible verse who said this. It will be fine to find Bible verse who give clear God's intention and standpoint on this idea.

    Next, we have Jesus words who specifically say how Moses, and NOT JHVH, gave permission about it.

    Idea how JHVH "allowed" polygamy is just human idea and theological explanation.

    Fact that Jesus confirmed is clear: Moses gave them permission to have more than one wife. Jesus never said; JHVH gave permission. 

    Also, Jesus gave answer on question: "Why Moses allowed that?". But Jesus not gave answer on: "Why JHVH not stopped this immoral law to be part of His Law and to stand as equal among His righteous and supreme, Divine words and laws?" 

    He allows a lot of things, isn't allowing like turning a blind eye and letting it happen as it is against ur rules.

    King David

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    Wow I didn't know that part about David even with context to skinned enemies for whatever reason sounds pretty over the top.

    Is like killing them wasn't enough... 

    Makes U wonder why JWs doesn't teach that bit.... 

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