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People confuses hate with wanting justice 4jah2me.

I don't personally hate JWs, I was one a few months ago and I still like them but I do hate watchtower policies and lies and unfortunately some people confuses that hate and think we hate JWs.

Like we used to say to the public about gay people, we don't hate gay people we hate their acts, the same goes for JWs, we don't hate them we hate JW's organisation and their horrible man made policies.

I still love Jehovah and Jesus and I am sure many still do.

As much as I dislike talking to you, I would just say.

I did not forget to mention it I just didn't mentioned it.

Again I did not make the claim that JWs were single out.

Lol JWs single out... 🤣🤣🤣 

Maybe all those Catholic Cardinals in Australia and 1 in particular the Top Australian Catholic member in Australia that fled to the Vatican and the Jewish teacher that fled as well and now brought back to Australia and convicted and in jail because of child sex abuse...

The Australian Royal Commission was not only for the JWs, they had one for the Catholics and hill song organisation and the salvation army and many other institutions.

And people still think that JWs are single out 😆😆😆

Atrocious to say JWs are single out. 

Que pesar q solo muestran lo bueno, como TJ me deciluciona eso.

5 hours ago, Matthew9969 said:

Does that mean Jesus got his drivers license when he was 31?

22 minutes ago, 4Jah2me said:

The GB NEED children to get baptised to try to keep them in the JW Org.  Once baptised the threats start to kick in. 

We know that lots of people are LEAVING the JW Org, so GB are trying to keep the numbers up. 

A person can still be a 'publisher' on the ministry whilst not baptised, so why would anyone want to push their children into doing something that they are not able to comprehend ?

Obvious answer, it's because the threats kick in when baptised. The Org has control over a baptised person. The 'rules' can only be pushed on someone that is baptised.  The Elders can be pushy about baptised ones doing more hours in the ministry. Pushy about the way a person dresses. Pushy about association with non believers. But the Elders have no say on what an unbaptised person does, even though they might try. 

 

I think even when we are baptized, the watchtower elders or CO has no power over anyone, the power they think they have is because we give them that power, is not like we have signed a contract or anything. 

It means he got a mule at 31 😆😆😆

Is not that we weren't following God's will it is just the light gets brighter 😆😆😆

Well the older the kid gets the harder to get that kid to be baptized.  No underage should get baptized as the price of changing their mind later is too high. 

Lol we didn't see that at the Australian international convention 2019, as they made a man made JW barracade to stop the peaceful protesters showing their posters, stopping  them and dropping the f bomb and the looks given to the protesters, it was an embarrassment. Shameful honestly. They didn't try that the following day. 

That makes a lot of sense  Alanf thanks for sharing.

I always found it funny, when I was a JW how some scriptures does not apply to the org and some do. 

I also find it funny for example, as long as I was a JW the GB always said they were the spokesman or channel of Jesus and Jah on earth they will give scriptures blah blah blah but at the Australian Royal Commission suddently they weren't the only channel or spokesman of Jesus and Jah on earth... 🤣🤣🤣

Lol maybe we should ask to explain the generation doctrine and 1914  as well... 😁😉

1 hour ago, Vic Vomidog said:

Ha ha. You are funny. I love it that you are making mincemeat of these horrible people here.

I don’t know. Maybe. Please be patient with me. I want to expose these hypocrites, but I am afraid. I worry that, even now, someone may come after me.

There was a pervert who I should not name. Maybe later just his initials. But believe me, he is a brother who is way way up there today. This perv used to copulate with car tailpipes in the parking lot at night when he thought no one could see him. I never thought that anyone could do this and that is just for starters!

My roommate couldn’t believe it until I told him when and where to look out. He had a hobby of photography and owned some really expensive cameras with telephoto lens. We had to wait a long time, but we did, and he finally caught a good picture of this sick man doing his sick act. It is off-center, but you can see his face clearly, and it is someone that you will KNOW.

My roommate gave the picture to me before he left. He didn’t want to get anyone in trouble. I didn’t either. But now with all that has happened, I think now is the time to RELEASE IT TO THE WORLD!!!

I hope that you can help me. I am not a very brave person. I am afraid of what may happen. Please don’t make fun of me. I really do get shy speaking to women.

Where is the photo?

Sure Aruna, whatever U say, U r so smart, I have no clue at all but U do.

Still find amazing ur clueless responses 🤣🤣🤣

Lol seriously.... Love her clueless responses.

Gossip, few cases of pedophilia.. 🤣🤣🤣 

Lol I have given up reading this discussion.

It reminds me the time when I was a naive JW  I used to discuss the same thing with Catholics and guess what the same excuses and reasoning is given... 

9 minutes ago, Arauna said:

How can one just make the assumption option that they have without a court conviction?

You were the one making the statement without any evidence I did not make any statement that they were clean or not, what matters is that the GB refused to give evidence clean or not. Or should we recap what Garry lush mentioned on his statement or what Geffry Jackson said in case 29 thanks to them I see where the GB stands. I'm sure U will come up with some incredible amusing excuse but what it was said has lots of repurcussions to the point that my wife and I can not believe another word that comes from them.

8 hours ago, Arauna said:

As I said before: eight old men who never personally touched a child (actually too innocent  to comprehend how wicked people can be - too good for this world), mentioned in court documents while people like Epstein who had 37 cases against him in 2007 got off because the FBI covered up for him and went after the victims. A plea bargain made without the victim's lawyers informed.

All Epstein's workers who knew what was going on since 2007, all his high-up friends and his girlfriend who coached the girls - NOTHING!   New cases in England as well where rape gangs raped young girls - covered up.

What does that tell you about the condition of the world when the real unscrupulous predators go off free and the innocent who do NOT condone this, are accused.   

People like you - who just go after JWs- get so much joy out of this......... but this tells me personally that when good is bad and bad is good, we are ever closer to Armageddon.

Just a little while longer and the wicked will be no more....... thanks to Jehovah, Jesus is the judge.

Lol this kind of reasoning cracks me up, too innocent to tell lies too innocent to appear in front of the court too innocent to be buying whisky 😆😆😆 

How do U know as a fact they have never touched anyone inappropriately, not saying they have but to make such statement that they have never U must have good evidence.

Interesting that people will say the GB will not become like the Pharisees who tried to interpret more than the written word of God... I'm sure you have not read the Secret book of the elders "The Shepherd Book" that secret book itself is a proof how far they gone from the word of God.

55 minutes ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

Oh, as an aside, I still do not have my answer about are there congregational sanctions currently against a person voting in a political election.

Well I haven't heard or see anything as yet about voting, but wouldn't surprise me that they will make a public declaration saying is a personal decision and no JW would be deciplined if they do. 

55 minutes ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

Oh, as an aside, I still do not have my answer about are there congregational sanctions currently against a person voting in a political election.

Well I haven't heard or see anything as yet about voting, but wouldn't surprise me that they will make a public declaration saying is a personal decision and no JW would be deciplined if they do. 

40 minutes ago, Arauna said:

Why should a  ignorant  office worker in some government department decide we are 'extreme' people and a 'threat to public health' when the God of the universe tells us to abstain from blood?

The true evidence is that transfusions are in reality a great threat to public health with all the fatal diseases which can be transmitted such as Hepatitis C, AIDS, syphilis.... just to mention three which come to mind.

They greatest threat of blood transfusion is anaphylactic shock - which is never put on death certificates as cause of death - and in reality is the greatest cause of death after surgery.... By third day after the surgery it starts manifesting and then the death certificate usually says "complications after surgery".  

So, in the final analyses it is about obedience to jehovah.  If one believes he really exists - will one deliberately ignore his laws ?  ......and risk losing his Holy Spirit? 

What you guys here do not get is that the risk is high when one deliberately disobeys God........ one risks getting an unapproved mental state.... and then it does not matter if you are shunned by others.  Your own mental state will shun you....... because you will become an opposer and be shunned for a brazen attitude by breaking some other laws of God as well. 

You may become like some people here on this forum who gives each other silly likes when they find material which condemns JHws while they (the JWs) are in the situation of trying to obey God.  I bet some of the opposers here will feel justified when our persecution starts and revel in our being designated "extreme" and even enjoy our persecution.   God predicted it would happen.

That is the mental state you get when you disobey jehovah and think you can make your own rules as you go along and condone hate against those trying to obey the laws of God.

Even if governments force their laws and morality on us and outlaw shunning.......(which I predict they will do in the near future) , obedience to the laws of God and his personal approval of the individual will still remain the factor in final approval  and  opportunity for life everlasting.

Wow...  Just wow. 

Each person will have to choose if they will vote. !

its fine to say that to the public but unfortunately that's not really true when you are a JW.

Actually what my wife and I have noticed for the last few years is that the society is happy to portrait a different kind of rules kinda show a different society to the public where we have a choice or is up to each individual to choose about blood, shunning, vote etc but that's not reality.

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You are welcome, I have found so much stuff the last 6 months is mind blowing.... 😆😆😆

http://web.archive.org/web/19990129063340/http://www.dhcommhr.coe.fr/eng/28626CP.E.html

Press communiqué issued by the Secretary

to the European Commission of Human Rights

Application No. 28626/95

Khristiansko Sdruzhenie "Svideteli na Iehova"

(Christian Association Jehovah's Witnesses)

v.

Bulgaria

Quote:

As regards the alleged involvement of children the applicant association submits that children cannot become members of the association but only participate, together with their parents, in the religious activities of the community. In respect of the refusal of blood transfusion, the applicant association submits that there are no religious sanctions for a Jehovah's Witness who chooses to accept blood transfusion and that, therefore, the fact that the religious doctrine of Jehovah's Witnesses is against blood transfusion cannot amount to a threat to "public health".

They have already lied about blood transfusions and shunning, I'm sure they will managed to lie the way out of this too... Shame shame shame