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Aborted fetal cells and vaccines - a scandal much bigger than Pfizer's whistleblower ever imagined

Oct 18, 2021

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Recently, Pfizer whistleblower Melissa Strickler, a manufacturing quality auditor for the company, exposed some of their internal emails. She was horrified by the information they contained and spoke with Project Veritas about what she had uncovered - the use of fetal cells from aborted babies to test their COVID-19 vaccine. This is some of what top management wrote:

"From the perspective of corporate affairs,” [Pfizer Senior Director of Worldwide Research Vanessa] Gelman wrote in one email, “we want to avoid having the information on fetal cells floating out there … The risk of communicating this right now outweighs any potential benefit we could see, particularly with general members of the public who may take this information and use it in ways we may not want out there.

In another email exchange between Advait Badkar, senior director of the Novel Delivery Technologies group within Pfizer’s Biotherapeutics Pharmaceutical Sciences organization, Gelman can be seen admitting to Badkar that, “One or more cell lines with an origin that can be traced back to human fetal tissue has been used in laboratory tests associated with the vaccine program.”

She warned him that, “We have been trying as much as possible to not mention the fetal cell lines.”

Project Veritas attempted to speak with Gelman. This was her response (If the video clip is removed from YouTube you can view it on Project Veritas’ Telegram Channel here.):

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50kghlaHYvM

 

One must wonder what Gelman knew that caused her to "take flight".

What Strickler wasn't aware of is that the information about the fetal cells being used for the COVID-19 vaccine is well-known to scientists and researchers. Papers about the manufacturing techniques for COVID-19 vaccines, which included the use of fetal cells, were published online at least as far back as May 2020;[1] she also didn’t know that she had uncovered only a small portion of a large scandal.

The fetal cells referred to in Pfizer’s emails were HEK293T cells, obtained from the kidney cells of a female fetus in 1973.[2],[3] In reality, all the currently authorized COVID-19 vaccines are made using aborted fetal cells, including Moderna’s. Moderna also used HEK293T cells in their proof-of-concept tests to see if the genetic instructions contained in these vaccines would be effectively taken up and produce the required spike protein.[4]

Johnson and Johnson used both the PER.C6 cell line (derived from human embryonic retinal cells, originally from the retinal tissue of an 18-week-old fetus aborted in 1985)[5] and the HEK293T cell line, to produce and assay (respectively) their Janssen adenovirus vaccine.[6]

AstraZeneca used the HEK293T cells to develop theirs, as did two other companies that have had their vaccines approved, CanSino Biologics and Gamaleya Research Institute (Sputnik V vaccine).[7]

The use of aborted fetal cells in vaccine production has been going on for over 50 years, starting in the mid-to late 1970s.[8] Antigens for several childhood vaccines are grown in aborted fetal cell lines MRC-5 and WI-38. These cell lines are found in the vaccines and are included in CDC’s vaccine excipient list as well as Johns Hopkins Institute for Vaccine Safety website (top and bottom images respectively).[9]

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Fetal DNA and proteins are also found in the Covid-19 vaccines, at least for the ones which were developed, not just tested, in fetal cells. Genetic engineer, Dr. Theresa Deisher, explains that it is impossible to totally separate the antigen from the medium it is grown in. Listen as she explains:

[embed]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RNb4cXIPrU[/embed]

 

Deisher explains:

All of these things are in the final product including contaminants from the cell lines that are used to manufacture the vaccines, and you asked, you know, why the contaminants can't be removed. So, the virus in the vaccine is just a long chain of RNA or DNA, but it's such a long chain that it's not economical to make it in a test tube and so the companies mimic nature's way of growing viruses and they infect cells and the virus grows in the cells, and then they lyse the cell and they try to purify away the virus and leave behind the cells impurities and DNA fragments. But, for anyone who's taken chemistry, your yield is inversely related to your purity and, so, if they purified out the contaminants from the cell lines, the yield would be so low that they wouldn't make any money, or no one would pay a thousand dollars or ten thousand dollars for a vaccine and, so, because of that, contaminants from the cell lines, and in that case fetal cell lines, are in the final product. And, they are actually at very high levels …[10]
The WI-38 and MRC-5 cell lines are over 60 years old.  “The WI-38 cells were derived by Leonard Hayflick in 1962 from the lung of a 3-month female fetus [2]. The initials WI refer to the Wistar Institute, a body of the University of Pennsylvania, Philadelphia, and number 38 to the fetus from which the cells were obtained. The MRC-5 cells were obtained in 1966 from the lungs of a 14-week male fetus [3]. The initials MRC indicate Medical Research Council, a body from London.” The cells lines age and can only be replicated so many times, therefore, in 2015, China developed another fetal cell line, the WalVax-2 strain.[11],[12]

These are the approved US vaccines containing aborted fetal cells: [13]

·         Adenovirus · ·         Barr Labs., Inc ·         WI-38
·         Chickenpox ·         Varivax ·         Merck & Co. ·         MRC-5 & WI-38
·         Diphtheria, Tetanus, Pertussis, Polio, HIB ·         Pentacel ·         Sanofi Pasteur ·         MRC-5
·         Hepatitis A ·         Havrix ·         GlaxoSmithKline ·         MRC-5
·         Hepatitis A ·         Vaqta ·         Merck & Co. ·         MRC-5
·         Hepatitis A-B ·         Twinrix ·         GlaxoSmithKline ·         MRC-5
·         Measles, Mumps, Rubella ·         MMR II ·         Merck & Co. ·         WI-38
·         Measles, Mumps, Rubella, Chickenpox ·         ProQuad ·         Merck & Co. ·         MRC-5 & WI-38
·         Rabies ·         Imovax ·         Sanofi Pasteur ·         MRC-5
·         Shingles ·         Zostavax ·         Merck & Co. ·         MRC-5
Additional cell lines from surgically aborted fetuses, that are not used in vaccines, include “…  WI-1, WI-3, WI-11, WI-16, WI-18, WI-19, WI-23, WI-24, WI-25, WI-26, WI-27, WI-44, MRC-9, IMR-90, and R-17 (obtained from lung); WI-2, WI-12 and WI-20, (skin and muscle); WI-5 (muscle); WI-8 and WI-14, and WS1 (skin); WI-4, WI-9, WI-10, WI-13 and WI-15 (kidney); WI-6, WI-21 and WI-22 (heart); WI-7 (thymus and thyroids), WI-17 (liver); FHs74Int (small intestine) …”[14]

The use of aborted fetal cells raises tremendous ethical, moral, and health concerns.

Dr. Stanley Plotkin, a renowned vaccinologist, was deposed in January 2018, by attorney Aaron Siri, prior to testifying in a divorce case, where the parents disagreed about vaccination. Plotkin has a very long list of credentials including Emeritus Professor of the University of Pennsylvania, and Adjunct Professor of the Johns Hopkins University. He has received numerous honors and has lectures named for him. He developed the rubella vaccine, is codeveloper of the pentavalent rotavirus vaccine, and has worked extensively on the development and application of other vaccines including anthrax, oral polio, rabies, varicella, and cytomegalovirus. He is now a consultant to vaccine manufacturers, biotechnology companies and non-profit research organizations as principal of Vaxconsult, LLC.[15]

Listen to what Plotkin said about aborted fetal cells during the deposition (beginning at 2:40):[16]

https://www.bitchute.com/video/WFwwoFYbLFd3/

Because living tissue is needed for the primary culture, these abortions are often done by the “water bag” method which delivers the fetuses (between 2-4 months gestation) alive. (Limbs, organs, and tissues from aborted fetuses are also a mainstay of modern medical research.) Included in vaccines for measles, mumps, rubella, chicken pox, shingles, rotavirus, adenovirus and rabies are human DNA fragments ...[17]
Not only are the babies delivered alive, horrifically, their organs are often removed when they are still alive.[18] This is how they got the HEK293 kidney cells used in the manufacture of the vaccines and why Pfizer wanted it to remain a secret:
The details of HEK293’s brutal – and from all appearances, until very recently, largely undisclosed – origins explain the company’s deep discomfort. Contrary to nearly a half-century of misrepresentation and obfuscation, HEK293’s creation did NOT arise from an “abortion” as everyday people understand it.

…

To harvest a viable embryonic kidney … sufficiently healthy children old enough to have adequately-developed kidneys must be removed from the womb, alive, typically by cesarean section, and have their kidneys cut out. This must take place without anesthesia for the child, which would lessen the viability of the organs.

… The deliberate killing of an unwanted child (a little girl, in the case of HEK 293) took place in the tortuous manner it did precisely to obtain her organs for research. The harvest of her organs was the direct cause of her death, prior to which, she was a living child, outside the womb.[19]

The vaccines were made by destroying lives in the most brutal way and the use of these vaccines seriously harm many who have received them, even though the damage may not be recognized as such.

 

… According to Plotkin, injecting intact DNA is theoretically problematic which is why they fragmented it. Intact human DNA was recently discovered in a vaccine by Corveleva, an independent lab that has been analyzing vaccine contents.

Clinical trials for vaccines look primarily for predefined local and transient adverse events so trial participants are only followed for days or months. Long term effects of vaccines are not part of the clinical trials. Section 13 of each vaccine package insert states that the vaccine has not been studied to determine if the vaccine can cause genetic mutations, cancer, or impaired fertility. They are not required to. However, scientists have long known that:

  • DNA fragmentation is a necessary first step to inserting foreign DNA into cells.
  • Through a process called insertional mutagenesis, foreign DNA can be incorporated into a host DNA and cause genetic mutations, cancer, and other health problems.
  • Homologous recombination, another type of mutation involving DNA fragments, can cause serious illness.
  • Retroviruses found in foreign human DNA can be dangerous when incorporated into the DNA of a human host.
  • The embryonic stem cells in which the vaccines are grown are naturally tumorigenic. The FDA has been studying live virus vaccines because of their potential to cause cancer.
Scientists investigating vaccines have been able to identify increases in autism in different countries that coincide with their introduction of live virus vaccines grown in human cell substrates. This is in addition to the previously known problems arising from injecting foreign human DNA into a human host. While the effect of injecting males with DNA from female fetuses and females with DNA from male fetuses has not been directly studies, a new study does show that autistic individuals are more likely to be transgender and research has investigated the effect of chromosomal abnormalities on areas of the brain related to sexual behavior. This is particularly important in light of the tremendous increase in transgenderism and gender dysphoria (confusion) being reported in many countries …[20]
Aborted fetal cells are also found in some drugs.[21]

We can be fairly confident that in the same way that aborted fetal cells are being used for developing many childhood vaccines and the COVID-19 vaccines, they are being used in the production of the upcoming Marburg Virus vaccine, which will be used for the upcoming Marburg Virus pandemic. In March 2019, a HHS press release announced the development of a vaccine for Marburg Virus, declaring it a biodefense and public health threat.[22],[23] Gavi, the Global Alliance for Vaccines and Immunisation, founded, in part, by the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation,[24] suggested, in April 2021, that Marburg Virus may be the next pandemic.[25] Others are now beginning to “sound the alarm” alarm, as well.[26]

Marburg Virus, which comes from bats,[27] is a rare hemorrhagic disease found primarily in African countries. From its discovery in 1967 to the current date, there have been 474 cases and 373 fatalities. 355 of these fatalities occurred during the two major outbreaks of the virus, which occurred between 1998-2000 and 2004-2005. Between 2007 and 2021 there have been 29 cases and 16 deaths (18 cases and 9 deaths occurred in 2017).[28]

Just as Vitamin C has been used by some hospitals to treat COVID-19,[29],[30] even though health agencies had claimed that COVID-19 has no treatment,[31] Dr. Suzanne Humphries, in a lecture on Vitamin C, explained that Vitamin C can successfully treat Ebola and hemorrhagic diseases,[32]  even though it is claimed that there is no cure for Ebola or Marburg Virus.[33]

Project Veritas exposed Planned Parenthood’s trafficking in aborted baby parts[34],[35] (Bill Gates' father was head of Planned Parenthood[36]), yet, aborted fetuses are a commodity, used for medical research,[37],[38],[39],[40] in cosmetics, and even by the food industry for taste-testing purposes when developing new food products.[41]

 

Footnotes:

[1] "The National Research Council Of Canada And Cansino Biologics Inc. Announce Collaboration To Advance Vaccine Against COVID-19 | Biospace". Biospace, 2021, https://www.biospace.com/article/releases/the-national-research-council-of-canada-and-cansino-biologics-inc-announce-collaboration-to-advance-vaccine-against-covid-19/

[2] "HEK 293 Cells - Wikipedia". En.Wikipedia.Org, 2021, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HEK_293_cells

[3] Assistant Editor. "Exclusive: Pfizer’S Nervousness About Its COVID Vaccine’S Origins Conceals A Horror Story". The Gateway Pundit, 2021, https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/10/exclusive-pfizers-nervousness-covid-vaccines-origins-conceals-horror-story/

[4] Tostanoski, Lisa H. et al. "Ad26 Vaccine Protects Against SARS-Cov-2 Severe Clinical Disease In Hamsters". Nature Medicine, vol 26, no. 11, 2020, pp. 1694-1700. Springer Science And Business Media LLC, doi:10.1038/s41591-020-1070-6

[5] “PER.C6 Cell Lines - Creative Biolabs ". Gmp-Creativebiolabs.Com, 2021, https://www.gmp-creativebiolabs.com/per-c6-cell-lines_74.htm “The PER.C6 cell line is derived from human embryonic retinal cells, originally from the retinal tissue of an 18-week-old fetus aborted in 1985 and further developed and prepared as cell line by transfection with defined E1 region of the adenovirus type 5 followed by selection for transfectants with an immortal phenotype. At the beginning, this cell line was mainly applied for the production of human adenovirus vectors for use in vaccine development and gene therapy, and further optimization makes PER.C6 become a superexcellent host cell line for large-scale industrial production of therapeutic proteins, especially the human IgG."

[6] Ibid.

[7] Ibid.

[8] Deisher, Theresa A., PhD. “Testimony submitted by Dr. Theresa A. Deisher”. Bioethicsarchive.Georgetown.Edu, 2021, https://bioethicsarchive.georgetown.edu/pcbe/transcripts/sept08/deisher_statement.pdf

[9] CDC Pinkbook Excipient List. https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/b/excipient-table-2.pdf; "Institute For Vaccine Safety || Components: Excipients". Vaccinesafety.Edu, 2021, https://www.vaccinesafety.edu/components-Excipients.htm

[10] "Fetal cells, DNA & proteins in vaccines - Theresa Deisher, PhD". Youtube.Com, 2021, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RNb4cXIPrU; "Dr. Theresa Deisher On Aborted Human Fetal DNA In Vaccines". Brighteon.Com, 2021, https://www.brighteon.com/6003166466001

[11] Bioethics Observatory. "Vaccines Produced Using Aborted Fetuses Are Being Used". Bioethics Obervatory - Institute Of Life Sciences - UCV, 2020, https://bioethicsobservatory.org/2020/06/is-it-true-that-there-are-vaccines-produced-using-aborted-foetuses/17848/

[12] Wadman, Meredith. "Henrietta Lacks Wasn’T The Only Woman Who Unknowingly Contributed To Medical History". Slate Magazine, 2017, https://slate.com/technology/2017/03/the-woman-whose-aborted-fetus-helped-create-the-rubella-vaccine.html; "The Ethics of The Walvax-2 Cell Strain". Ethicalresearch.Net, 2021, http://ethicalresearch.net/positions/the-ethics-of-the-walvax-2-cell-strain/.

[13] "Vaccines, Abortion & Fetal Tissue". Ohio Right To Life, 2021, https://www.ohiolife.org/vaccines_abortion_fetal_tissue. There are US approved alternatives to some of these vaccines which are listed here, as well.

[14] See note 8

[15] Plotkin Short CV – VaxConsult.  http://www.vaxconsult.com/app/download/1194394/SHORT%2BCV.pdf

[16] "Dr. Stanley Plotkin, Godfather Of Vaccines, Under Oath Admits The True Horrific Vaccine Ingredients". Bitchute, 2021, https://www.bitchute.com/video/WFwwoFYbLFd3/

[17] "Human DNA In Vaccines - Origins and Safety". Rodef Shalom 613, 2020, https://www.rodefshalom613.org/2020/08/human-dna-in-vaccines-origins-and-safety/

[18] Fetal tissue and body parts from aborted babies are used for many types of research, not just vaccines. Below is an excerpt from Fetal Body Parts Used for Research: Is it ethical to experiment on aborted humans? (https://investigatemagazine.co.nz/2451/fetal-body-parts-used-for-reseach/) by investigative journalist Ian Wishart, about how fetal parts are acquired from abortions and evidence that some fetuses are dissected when still alive. The scientists using these body parts believe that it is for the greater good. Yet, the author posits: “It is a modern, relativistic idea that you can sacrifice the few for the good of the many. Indeed, this was one of the justifications Hitler used in whipping up hatred against Jewish, Gypsy and gay minorities. In 21st century form, the argument is more subtle: that if a cure for crippling diseases can be found by harvesting fetal organs from abortions, or growing human embryos in the laboratory for stem cell harvesting, then the deaths of those infants are justifiable because of the perceived greater good to the community at large. … “At the Nuremberg War Crimes trials, evidence was presented of horrific scientific experiments being performed on captives in the concentration camps. The Nazi medics on trial attempted to justify it by saying the test subjects were due to die anyway and the knowledge gained would benefit the rest of humanity. [Scientists working with fetal cells from aborted babies claim that the babies were going to be aborted anyway because of maternal choice. RS 613] “Human DNA in Vaccines - Origins and Safety”. Rodefshalom613.Org, 2021, https://www.rodefshalom613.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/Human-DNA-in-Vaccines-Origins-and-safety-6-15-20.pdf

[19] See note 3.

[20] Ibid.

[21] “U.S. Aborted Fetal Products. Cogforlife.Org, 2021, https://cogforlife.org/wp-content/uploads/fetalproductsall.pdf

[22] “HHS’ BARDA funds its first Marburg virus vaccine development”, Phe.Gov, 2021, https://www.phe.gov/Preparedness/news/Pages/marburg-vaccine-05Mar19.aspx

[23] The NIH had been working on a Marburg Virus vaccine as far back as 2010. "NIH-Supported Experimental Marburg Vaccine Prevents Disease Two Days After Infection". National Institutes Of Health (NIH), 2015, https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/nih-supported-experimental-marburg-vaccine-prevents-disease-two-days-after-infection

[24] "About Our Alliance". Gavi.Org, 2021, https://www.gavi.org/our-alliance/about

[25] Priya, Joi. "The Next Pandemic: Marburg?". Gavi.Org, 2021, https://www.gavi.org/vaccineswork/next-pandemic/marburg

[26] Citroner, George. "Could The Marburg Virus Start Another Outbreak? What We Know". Healthline, 2021, https://www.healthline.com/health-news/could-the-marburg-virus-start-another-outbreak-what-we-know

[27] Guito, Jonathan C. et al. "Asymptomatic Infection of Marburg Virus Reservoir Bats Is Explained By A Strategy Of Immunoprotective Disease Tolerance". Current Biology, vol 31, no. 2, 2021, pp. 257-270.e5. Elsevier BV, doi:10.1016/j.cub.2020.10.015

[28] "Marburg Virus - Wikipedia". En.Wikipedia.Org, 2021, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marburg_virus#cite_note-9

[29] Mccall, Rosie. "New York Hospitals Are Using Vitamin C To Treat Some Coronavirus Patients". Newsweek, 2020, https://www.newsweek.com/new-york-hospitals-vitamin-c-coronavirus-patients-1494407

[30] Hoang, Ba X. et al. "Possible Application of High-Dose Vitamin C In the Prevention and Therapy Of Coronavirus Infection". Journal Of Global Antimicrobial Resistance, vol 23, 2020, pp. 256-262. Elsevier BV, doi:10.1016/j.jgar.2020.09.025

[31] "Emergency Use Authorization for Vaccines Explained". U.S. Food And Drug Administration, 2020, https://www.fda.gov/vaccines-blood-biologics/vaccines/emergency-use-authorization-vaccines-explained

[32] Humphries, Suzanne. “Lecture on Vitamin C.” Youtube.Com, 2021, https://youtu.be/y0LLX0sgwAU?t=3724

[33] Lett, D. "Wanted: Manufacturer for Ebola and Marburg Vaccines". Canadian Medical Association Journal, vol 173, no. 5, 2005, pp. 472-472. CMA Joule Inc., doi:10.1503/cmaj.050938

[34] "Guilty Verdict Against David Daleiden as Abortion Industry Flexes Its Muscle". Projectveritas.Com, 2019, https://www.projectveritas.com/news/guilty-verdict-against-david-daleiden-as-abortion-industry-flexes-its-muscle

[35] The Center for Medical Process, “Intact Fetuses "Just a Matter of Line Items" for Planned Parenthood TX Mega-Center”, Youtube.Com, 2021, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egGUEvY7CEg&t=0s

[36] “Bill Gates My Father Headed Planned Parenthood”, Youtube.Com, 2021, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2OkIua8iEU

[37] See note 17..

[38] Kent J. The fetal tissue economy: from the abortion clinic to the stem cell laboratory. Soc Sci Med. 2008 Dec;67(11):1747-56. doi: 10.1016/j.socscimed.2008.09.027. Epub 2008 Oct 22

[39] Pfeffer N. “How work reconfigures an ‘unwanted’ pregnancy into ‘the right tool for the job’ in stem cell research.”  Sociol Health Illn. 2009 Jan;31(1):98-111. doi: 10.1111/j.1467-9566.2008.01117.x. Epub 2008 Dec 16.

[40] Ma B, He LF, Zhang YL, Chen M, Wang LL, Yang HW, Yan T, Sun MX, Zheng CY. Characteristics and viral propagation properties of a new human diploid cell line, Walvax-2, and its suitability as a candidate cell substrate for vaccine production. Hum Vaccin Immunother. 2015;11(4):998-1009. doi: 10.1080/21645515.2015.1009811.

[41] See note 15.

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There is a flying away required, and that quickly, as in the plague, or from a fire which hath almost burned us, or a flood that breaketh in upon us. We cannot soon enough escape from sin (Matt 3:7; Heb 6:18). No motion but flight becomes us in this case. Doctrine: That the great end and effect of the promises of the gospel is to make us partakers of the Divine nature. (from The Biblical Illustrator)  
    • BTK59
      Is Light a Wave or a Particle?

      By BTK59 · Posted

      Clearly, they are already demanding your exile. Yes! It's unfortunate that Pudgy spoiled a great discussion about science. I hope the discussion can continue without any more nonsensical interruptions. Just a suggestion since they are on your heels. Wow! You speak! It seems you have a lot to say! Now they are going to treat like, who do you think you are, mister big stuff! Are those aliens now going to imply that anyone who speaks out against the five or six key contributors to this site will be treated as though it is George just because those in opposition speak the language they hate to hear, the TRUTH? They are seeking individuals who will embrace their nonconformist values and appreciate what they can offer in shaping public opinion contrary to the established agenda of God and Christ. Their goal is to enhance their writing abilities and avoid squandering time on frivolous pursuits, mainly arguing about the truth they don't care for. They see it all as a mere game, even when leading people astray. They believe they have every right to and will face no biblical repercussions, or so they believe. They just want to have fun just like that Cyndi Lauper song. Be prepared to be belittled and ridiculed, all the while they claim to be angels. Haha! By the way, please refrain from using the same language as George. They appear to believe that when others use the same words, it means they are the same person, and they emphasize this as if no one else is allowed to use similar grammar. It seems they think only they have the right to use the same or similar writing styles. Quite amusing, isn't it? See, what I just placed in bold, now I'm George, lol! Now, let's leave this nice science thread for people that want to know more about science. I believe George left it at "Zero Distance."  
    • TrueTomHarley
      Is Light a Wave or a Particle?

      By TrueTomHarley · Posted

      Nice little thread you’ve got going here, SciTech. It would be a shame if something were to happen to it.
    • Alphonse
      Is Light a Wave or a Particle?

      By Alphonse · Posted

      It's truly disheartening when someone who is supposed to be a friend of the exclusive group resorts to using profanity in their comments, just like other members claiming to be witnesses. It's quite a ludicrous situation for the public to witness.  Yet, the "defense" of such a person, continues. 
    • TrueTomHarley
      Is Light a Wave or a Particle?

      By TrueTomHarley · Posted

      No. However, I would appreciate if you do not reveal to all and sundry the secret meeting place of the closed club. (I do feel someone bad stomping on Sci’s little thread. But I see that has already happened.)

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