Srecko Sostar

In March of this year (2018), the Watchtower Corporation settled cases with former members Jose Lopez and Osbaldo Padron, for alleged mishandling of sexual abuse committed against the men when they were children in the religion. During the course of these cases, the courts had ordered Watchtower to produce records of other alleged child molesters in the religion. Watchtower refused, and was then slapped with a $4000 per day sanction from the courts. As I brought out in this post, Watchtower lost their final appeal against these sanctions last November, and you can read the court’s rather scathing decision against them in that column. This settlement with Lopez and Padron closes down both this order for Watchtower to produce documents, and the $4000 per day sanction. The terms of the settlement reached with the men are confidential, so there is no information available about dollar amounts, etc. As you can see WT made settlement with this two men. This is reason why $ fine is stopped.

For secular police not, you are right. But for inside "Police", victims must have two witnesses. No change, no progress. This is not good, because Bible told us about examples where you do not need two witness for making "justified" allegation/accusation.

They are sort of "spiritual police", we can not denied this part of their role in congregation. in the past all appointments has have to be approved by WT USA. Recently they gave that in hand of Circuit Overseer (is title correct?) So, if Overseer made bad choice, no one can blame GB and Headquarter in US. Local "marshals" will have to take all blame for bad choice of elders.

I think how primary reason for "ban" in making them public is because the plaintiff and the defendant found third way. Settlement out Court. I do not know how Zalkin get documents. Zalkin must play in these way, because Court ordered him to do so. So, he obey Secular Law. Right or justice, question is now! Agree how revealing of this and other WT documents would put more light on events.

What i want to accent is this: If victim speaking with 3 men only on purely religious basis, then they not need some extra instructions from WT lawyers. We all know very well what is purpose of it, if lawyers are involved. Justification for need of some extra instructions can be, by my opinion, in fact how such instructions/advises can be provide only from some more mature elders who has been in such/similar situations before, or who are more intellectually, emotionally and spiritually empowered to provide some better help/safety for victims. And If we take what Asch said, how elders in JW congregations exists just for giving/providing only spiritual safety then again - what lawyers have with this conversations between 4,5 of them in KH?! Why we have to hear calls for 1 Amendment about this issue ??!! Because something is not right in all that.

In one hand your word is right Anna, but Shiwiii have better argument because Natural Law, or if you like Bible verses, have stronger argument, and that is; ..... do what is good in your eyes, by your conscious, what is good before people and before God, obey God more than men. Or if you want Ultimate and Final bible text about ALL things in LIFE ----- Love your neighbor as yourself. ...so what ever GB or WT Manual Book or lawyer or Court or police say .....do love .... and do find the way.

Defending the weaker from stronger in any form, spiritual or physical is obligation to all, inside or outside the JW community. Bible is full of examples where crude force is allowed to protect other person !!!!!!!!!!! ... to safe animals too. This short part in video is example how sometimes people on position and their lawyers want to avoid the truth and responsibility. ARC testimonies repeated this issue and showed how Australian elder have no interest to help children outside his congregation if pedophile is in their midst. Shameful. Anna, please do stop to protect those who are not protecting the weakest in society (JW society or outside)!

If conversation about this issue can make frustration of sort inside this circle of us who talking from distance to each other, imagine what heavy and hard and painful it is for those who experienced this things and must be in face to face situation !

Wrong Billy, ... according to WT study magazine such CLASS not existing ... even not with this few names (Srecko, Butler, JWinsider, Anna, TrueTom,) etc. you talking about not forming any class )))))

Never say never :))))))))) New light will come on GB ... and what will you do if it will be same or similar to this in our topic? hahhaha

What would it be if it were happened..... We do not need this imagination because we have real people with real events dear Anna.

Did WT made change about need for TWO witnesses? Did WT allow that sisters/women be present in investigation process as support for male and especially female minors victims and other victims no matter of ages? Did WT allow that sister/women be involved in Judicial process that involve sex crimes and domestic violence inside and outside family environment when female victims are involved? Did WT open secret files and fully cooperate with police and Courts? .....etc.

I like this thought very much. First time that i saw somebody put it in writing or say it aloud in this simple but distinctive sentence. Bravo John!

If i can recall this post of John about this information (correct me if it is wrong) John has heard that from other person. So now, we here are in some similar, strange position, because we heard, about crime that has happened, from John. I think how some scientific discipline, like sociology and psychology, could explain what happens inside people in such situations we talking about. Why do we react or not react? How do we react? Why we do not want to interfere in someone else's problems? Why it easier to be passive and to go on other side? .... etc.

Whether Manasseh was only sinner in Israel? Why sins of all other individuals has not been made public too? Definition of reinstate transitive verb 1: to place again (as in possession or in a former position) 2: to restore to a previous effective state JW Judicial Committee can REINSTATE only those JW who was been DISFELLOWSHIPED by that same Judicial Commitee. Repentance, as state of mind and heart, in a life of person who has made some "sin", secret or public, have nothing with 3 men sitting in a back room of KH with Manual Book.

sudden or suddenly ..... or very slowly...... obviously much, much more than 7000 years. Why not about millions years? What is 100 000 000 year for God? What is 700 000 000 for Him? ..... or xy years ......? ...Nothing!..... But for you, Arauna, is a big PROBLEM :)))

Terminology: judicial committee and reinstated are clearly, plainly Corporational words in WTJworg inc. Religion. The Bible calls people to forgive each other's sins. The Bible invites us to pray to God in this way: and forgive us our debts (sins), as we also have forgiven our debtors. By MESSAGE in Lord's Prayer, God is very willful to forgive all sins to people, .... in fact he has already done that, even before your birthday. By Jesus words, God is more interested for another thing, that people forgiving each other. Because Jesus speaks of a precondition; "Forgive your neighbor" ... then God will look at you mercifully too. If we confess our sins, [God] is faithful and righteous so as to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.” “Openly confess your sins to one another and pray for one another, that you may get healed.” By this Bible logic in this 3 places it is not needed to give confess and/or ask for forgiveness from some Legal Religious Body. Ones "secret sin" will be "forgiven" if you in your mind and heart "confess" it to God, not to men. Another thing is our psychological side and our inside need to "tell someone" about our inside soul problem and turmoil. "Sin" aka injustice that ones have done to his neighbor is also separate thing. If you are aware of your bad act toward somebody around you, then you must go to this person who you offend, say bad words, done bad or evil thing. You must confess and ask forgiveness FROM HIM.

If it is so as this declaration No 10 say, than WHY elders must contact Legal Department first on how this purely religious proceeding must continue. ?? How it is possible that mature elders can not decide (independently, according to their so called "Bible-educated" conscience or better - according to their Natural God given Conscience) how first thing, in benefit for the victim, is that POLICE have to secure PHYSICAL SAFETY FOR VICTIM, and then after this first step or parallel to this very first move that must been done, is SPIRITUAL SAFETY for victim that this so called "mature men" have to provide. According to your brother Asch in his deposition, he made this CLEAR DISTINCTION about PHYSICAL SAFETY and SPIRITUAL SAFETY and how WT GB and their Lawyers defending themselves and their money and their Organizational Honor. Your respond on John's post is how things he mentioned is from past, in 1980 es. ARC is from 2015 and WT elders in Australia are very bad role model as those elders from 1980 period. No progress was made in benefit for victims. All because of money and WTJWorg Corporation Public Picture. Face the TRUTH and Reality please!

Sorry, but if we think how one part of science field is unreliable in one part of thesis and if you found one part of scientists as unreliable in some specific area of discussion, but other part is reliable, then we can come only to conclusion how probably we will not know nothing for sure. Always some doubts will be in air. Perhaps that is normal condition for humankind. But this looks as something normal, because the same condition i can see in WT World. Many using WT own evidence against them.

"from wise and intellectual ones" Kingdom Interlinear translate this with "from comprehending ones" Definition of comprehend https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/comprehend transitive verb 1: to grasp the nature, significance, or meaning of unable to comprehend what has happened 2: to contain or hold within a total scope, significance, or amount… philosophy's scope comprehends the truth of everything which man may understand …— Henry Osborn Taylor 3: to include by construction or implication Does not prudence comprehend all the virtues?— Thomas B. Silver Our civilization comprehends great variety and complexity …— Perry Meisel 4: to understand (something, such as a difficult or complex subject) 5: to understand (something, such as a difficult or complex subject) By this, in my comprehending of issue :))), Jesus say nothing against Education in human Society. GB has made wrong understanding and interpretations about this verse. Even if we using NWT Translation, here is nothing for Bible readers today, to say how Education is wrong. WT has completely erroneously using this verse for purpose to promote false teaching. Definition of intellectual (Entry 1 of 2) 1a: of or relating to the intellect or its use b: developed or chiefly guided by the intellect rather than by emotion or experience : RATIONAL c: requiring use of the intellectintellectual games 2a: given to study, reflection, and speculation b: engaged in activity requiring the creative use of the intellectintellectual playwrights

As to my knowledge, Judicial Committee will not disfellowshipp somebody because he/she going to University. But if father of such child is an elder some questions can be directing to him. Sometimes congregational environment, details of group interrelations, fundamentalism of some prominent individuals (elders) can be involved on how such persons will be treated. Some young bro or sis parallely going to University and pioneering. By that they softening some "attacks" and "disarm" those who would try to complain. General JW policy is against Higher Education, and that is evident from official statements in publications and public talks.

Dear Felix, your gave your trust in "noble man" of GB. JW believe how only They are anointed to making interpretations on Bible text. I am not making "criticism" about WT but have Critical Thinking about WTGB doctrines and policy. My name is Srećko, in English Lucky, Happy and Successful, Latin is Felix :)))) Important!! Read this 3 times every day, every 8 hours, as antibiotic cure :)) Then Joseph said to them, “Do not interpretations belong to God?

I do not understand your position Arauna. You using so called "scientific" names, words, evidences .... but have big doubts about science and scientists. Well, why you talking about Cambrian period when you in your title put clear statement that send your strong belief how millions of years about fossils (and not only about fossils but all other things about Earth and Universe) is something impossible because Bible not support such view. Previous you said, quote: "It is a totally unscientific statement and even if you say you are a scientist 1000 times, it does not make you a scientist..." and "There are many kinds of scientists" Cambrian Period, earliest time division of the Paleozoic Era, extending from 541 million to 485.4 million years ago. The Cambrian Period is divided into four stratigraphic series: the Terreneuvian Series (541 million to 521 million years ago), Series 2 (521 million to 509 million years ago), Series 3 (509 million to 497 million years ago), and the Furongian Series (497 million to 485.4 million years ago). https://www.britannica.com/science/Cambrian-Period You give us impression you don't accept how fossils are millions of years old but you say this: There are no life forms in the evolutionary record which proves step by step development of feathers or flight etc. Cambrian explosion proves that. Many JW still believe in 7000 year period of Creative days. Here, you want to prove how Evolution is impossible because Cambrian explosion of life proves opposite. But in same time forget how Cambrian period last (happened - edited), few hundreds millions years, according to scientists. Well, 7000 years against millions of Cambrian years. What would you chose in fact, what you want to chose today?