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Hi Jack Ryan! As we can notice Jworg has various types of current JW members. Also, exJws are sometimes product of some specific circumstances when they was inside org. To ask, why exJW are rude, is not good way of asking about what and why some exJw doing in prosess of living and after they are out of org. Because, from such question you releasing idea how exJw are in fact rude. Some are very active in opposing to WT and some are not. Where is the line when firm stand against WT going to "rude" behavior is matter of perspective. Thanks and greetings!

The WT Doctrine (recently rejected, a few years ago?) is, that Rutherford and his associates were chosen by God in 1918/1919 to be FDS. Since then, to be part of FDS it meant to "sharing spiritual food" and taking care of every sort of "King's" property, possession here on Earth. By accumulating various material things they handled with it in a way to "multiple" it (money, real-estate and similar) according to some Bible verses aka illustrations/parables in Jesus teachings. I guess how WT-GB and their bible scholars understand that very literal. So, they run or governing with/over ALL things in spiritual and material realms/places. Of course, it is BIG Question did Jesus want that one group of human leaders aka GB be involved in Material crowding, collecting, and to do all that in His Name??!! As we know, so called New Light, gave NEW explanation how GB was Not Appointed in 1918/1919. According to this new moment, They - GB - have no reason and no right to be involved and to interfere, making influence at nothing at all what is in connection to King's Interest on Earth. BUT STILL, despite that self founded new doctrine and interpretation about Anointing Process, they still want to be involved in BOTH process: 1) TO RUN DOCTRINES 2) TO RUN BUSINESS As already was given, by others participants here and on other places, how to be FDS doesn't, must not mean that you and/or some group of man have to "feed" others with doctrines and instructions because you and/or some group of man have special position before God. To be Faithful, can simply mean, to be faithful to Master in connection to your position in regard to Master. That is not about Your Position as Master over other Disciples and Followers (as it is common picture in all Churches and Leaders of all sort of religious organizations worldwide) Another picture came to me now. If FDS have to "feed" domestic, is that only including "spiritual food"? Too take care about others is also to give them material food and accommodation. Does GB provide material food for 8 m JW? Well, all with GB and WT and with every old and new Interpretation is in deep fog, and can not be for benefit of those JW members who put all their trust in group of humans .

News Update: Watchtower Caves on Latest Case, Shutting Down Their $4000 Per Day Fine BY ALEXANDRA JAMES ON APRIL 9, 2018 In March of this year, the Watchtower Corporation settled cases with former members Jose Lopez and Osbaldo Padron, for alleged mishandling of sexual abuse committed against the men when they were children in the religion. During the course of these cases, the courts had ordered Watchtower to produce records of other alleged child molesters in the religion. Watchtower refused, and was then slapped with a $4000 per day sanction from the courts. As I brought out in this post, Watchtower lost their final appeal against these sanctions last November, and you can read the court’s rather scathing decision against them in that column. This settlement with Lopez and Padron closes down both this order for Watchtower to produce documents, and the $4000 per day sanction. The terms of the settlement reached with the men are confidential, so there is no information available about dollar amounts, etc. Despite this huge, but not entirely unexpected, disappointment to activists and advocates who are interested in exposing allegations of child molestation in the religion so that they can be handled properly, this settlement is not a complete loss. In appealing the decision, Watchtower had stated they couldn’t produce the records because it would be so time-consuming; they didn’t say that such records don’t exist, so they cannot argue with anyone who accuses them of keeping such a database or collection of accusations. Also, these sanctions alone disprove Watchtower’s statement that they do not shield these persons from the consequences of their actions, as they were happy to pay $4000 per day to protect these ones! The sanctions themselves no doubt cost Watchtower over $2 million, which is two million dollars they can’t spend on recruiting new members, or on building tax-exempt properties that they’ll simply flip for a profit. Eventually the Watchtower’s owners will need to determine if the cost of the many, many lawsuits they’re facing for how they mishandle child sex abuse allegations, and these public displays of their duplicity, outweigh the benefits of clinging to their ineffective policies that do nothing but traumatize and abandon victims to their abuses. *** *** Please see this story from Reveal News for more information about the history of these cases in particular.

https://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/2018/jan/12/ticker-jehovahs-witnesses-settle-sex-abuse-case/# Jehovah's Witnesses to settle sex-abuse case Victim filed lawsuit six (6) years ago By Dorian Hargrove, Jan. 12, 2018 A lawsuit is now settled between a former victim of sexual abuse and Jehovah's Witnesses. According to the court's website, the case is under a "conditional settlement." The terms and conditions of the settlement are not public. José Lopez filed the lawsuit back in 2012, nearly 20 years after church elder Gonzalo Campos molested him and several other young children who were members of the Linda Vista congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses. As reported by the Reader, Campos, who fled to Mexico to escape criminal charges, admitted to committing the acts to Lopez’s and another victim's attorney, Devin Storey, while giving testimony in one of the cases. “I touched him in his private parts,” Campos testified. Attorney Storey: “Did you touch his penis?” Campos: “Yes.” Storey: “Did you penetrate him?” Campos: “Yes. Yes.” Storey: “How many times?” Campos: “More than once. I don’t know.” In 2009, five other alleged victims sued the Watchtower and Bible and Tract Society of New York, the governing body of Jehovah's Witnesses, over the molestation by Campos and the Watchtower's refusal to act. That case settled for an undisclosed amount in 2012, the same year that Lopez filed his lawsuit and a year before another victim, Osbaldo Padron, filed his. Then, in 2015, a state court judge ruled that the Watchtower had failed to cooperate with discovery in the Lopez case. The judge awarded a $13.5 million judgment in favor of Lopez. The Watchtower later appealed the decision and managed to get the decision rescinded and promised to produce the requested documents. Meanwhile, a fight over documents was also occurring in Padron's case, the one filed shortly after Lopez’s lawsuit. At issue was Watchtower’s refusal to turn over a letter from headquarters that asked for the names of alleged sexual abusers in the church. But at the same time other documents had been released by the Linda Vista congregation, which showed the congregation and headquarters were aware that Campos had sexually assaulted young boys and a girl but still considered him eligible to return to the congregation. “In our meeting with him he said he was very repentant for what he did,” wrote an elder at Linda Vista's congregation to Watchtower headquarters in New York in 1999. “He stated that he wanted to return to Jehovah. He is willing to face the victims and ask their forgiveness. He now wants to obey Jehovah. Before, when he would speak to people on the platform he would not meditate on what he was doing. Although he needed to confess, he felt shameful and had fear of mankind. He would deceive himself thinking that he could continue serving as an elder. Now he realized that he could not change without help. Ever since his expulsion he has not abused anyone. He has read articles of the publications regarding his sin. He says he does not see or read pornographic information. He stated that ever since expulsion he has worked on having a relationship with Jehovah and the expulsion has served to strengthen him spiritually. He does not miss meetings, and he even takes notes of the program. He also said that he is willing to continue accepting Jehovah’s discipline.” While the two sides continued to fight over discovery in the Lopez case, another judge issued sanctions against the Watchtower for refusing to turn over documents in the Padron case. The Watchtower also appealed that decision as well. As covered by the Reader, in November a state appellate court rejected the appeal, sending the case back to state court and keeping the $4000-per-day sanctions in place. Meanwhile, as the Padron case was heading back to state court, attorneys for Lopez and Watchtower agreed to settle the Lopez case. Lopez’s attorney, Irwin Zalkin, did not respond to a request for comment prior to publication of this article. There is no word yet whether Padron's case has also been settled. A hearing is scheduled for next month. More stories by Dorian Hargrove Jehovah's Witnesses to settle sex-abuse case — Jan. 12, 2018

Very true! But not only to my feelings. I have for bread and water. But many people are starving and are sick because of LACK of care FOR THEIR feelings and situations .... of this money and finance, trust funds etc and those who run this things. So, please give lesson and correction to those who HAVE so called KNOWLEDGE about financial terms and RUIN LIFE of those who are "ignorant" or have lack of Knowledge How Money Works. Tell poor and hungry children who suffer, that they suffer because they and their parents have LACK of Knowledge.

I thing that is not good for You to make social connections with former JW , ....they are apostates :)))))))))))))))))))

Krav Maga teacher in one school for self defense say: Our motto is 'No egos! Stay humble!!'

YOU COVERING THE TRUE with FALSELY quotes!! If you want to be HONEST, then NOT CUT my Quotes :)))))) Your WT are Master in MISQUOTING ?? Please, DO NOT be like Them! I see i must give a pray for You tonight :))

I can say a little pray for you to my unknown god ....

According to some Bible verses and interpretations of them (JW org and Yours in comment), Death was already been/existed in Paradise Earth. According to this idea God is the one who Invented Death (in your interpretations only for animals, of all kind and sizes ....and plants to). In this view (animal issue) Death is not penalty for Sin, as some other Bible verses explains. Death, for you, is Normal because God is source of death for major part of His creations aka animals .... and in some other Galaxy/ies also for some other species unknown to us, too. So, according to your view we have 2 sort of death in Genesis book. One is Natural and other is Unnatural. You gave idea how Adam would not be able to UNDERSTAND what death is if he could not see dying and death of animals around. This looks strange for me. You are, and many in JW, told how Adam was PERFECT. So, how it is possible that Perfect Adam can not understand what death is? He has Perfect Brain, Perfect Senses, Perfect Imagination.....well it looks impossible that His Father was not Explain him What Death Is !!!! I guess they have had "perfect" Communication as Perfect Father and Perfect Son. Now is time to mention how Genesis book not reveling any important details about pedagogical and parental methods of The Father with His Son and Daughter. Just ban of eating, disappointed feelings and than punishment words are the only written conversations between Father and Children. If you find Adam as somebody who can not understand important things in life, as it is with issue of death, then I found understandable that his Father not spend more time with him to explain him how things looks and what is what in Perfect Paradise.

This idea is questionable if you consider Bible as your Source of understanding, beliefs and faith. After all and every single "Creative days" God came to conclusion how All that He created is/was GOOD. So, in according to His view, all animals and all humans are reached the same degree - GOOD. At the end of every single day he saw how all is good. This word, -good-, perhaps have nothing with our "understanding" of "perfection" and ideas that we today, or JWorg, or some other people connecting with idea of so called "lost perfection" and what "perfection" can be, can mean and can carry in itself. Our personal or/and socially-religious ideas as members of specific group, JWorg, and wishes about what will be, what could be ... if this or that will come, is more in sphere of imagination and fantasy than in reality. So it is with idea of "lost perfection" and with "future perfection", too.

Not "fair"? So many things are not "fair" in the world, and WT pick up this issue to Fight for? Their fight for freedom of speech and religious activity aka declaring and spreading JW teaching is not something unique, in general. Because many people of various belongings also fight for their freedom of speech and activity. So, fighting for Money Issue is NOT so Noble Task. It can be matter of "existence", for sure. But as i can see JW members working for daily life costs, earning with own labor for bread and milk. Well, WT fighting for Corporation's money is another thing. They are not fighting for better standards of living for 8 m. members, but for better, high standards accommodations and some sort/level of power that comes with money for those who have it - WT Management - fights for own position, not for You. Because, if Jesus is Leader of this Church (JWorg) he can Run His Work without Warwick , GB and Stuff in It. Without your donation money, without Hedge Funds, H.M. Riley Trust and so on. :))

Bible principles everywhere, even in satan's world :))) “So I say to you: Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. 10 For everyone who asks receives; the one who seeks finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened. 11 “Which of you fathers, if your son asks for[f] a fish, will give him a snake instead? 12 Or if he asks for an egg, will give him a scorpion?13 If you then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children,

$$$$ from Children's Sunday KH ice-creams as donation will "solve" the problem of "origin". Because children as honest and sincere, would be/will be, by giving money with their innocent hands, purify every single $. :))) Well, well ... You are now a little closer to my idea how all money is from devil, who is unclean. So if, "there is no such thing as clean $" (money) , but if all things that come from God are clean, then again, you unconsciously support my thesis. :))) WT just pointing finger to themselves, by teaching others how to apply scriptures as this you mentioned ..... Yes, it is, if you want to be "only true religion" and "clean nation for JHVH name". Agree, your moral standards is your choice. But WT teaching people how users of tobacco can't be members of JWorg and will not inherit the earth if not stop smoking. So, yes, it is moral contradiction. "Society...., and just like ALL religious orgs they are entitled to accept money from the worst"... Huh, but WT raises themselves above all organizations, religious or other kind. They have own picture about self as super "clean nation".....supported by unclean money???:)) Agreee! Again, you support my thesis how all dirty money came from God of this World :)))) If i get correctly your thought.., If person or in this case organization is Superior in "other areas to everyone else", but not so "superior" in money issue then All is OK.??!! How many "other areas" we shall/we are willing to going, looking for more acknowledge?

Perhaps the reason for this is, that we have much more questions than answers in life.

I see that discussion continued with UN, but you will forgive me for commenting on this about education, grammar, misunderstanding, abilities and so on. Good choice of words and their order are important for sending true meaning, but it is not guarantee for understanding. For me, who was not born in English (native speaker) language country, it is difficult to understand some (or many) sentences (phrasemes/idioms, jokes...) of people who participate here. And for you is, probably, hard to understand my expressions and clumsy grammar :))) But here is what i would like to say. Formal Education and Higher Education can help in thinking abilities but they are not Substitution for Your Natural abilities and experience for understanding and discernment. I am working in School with professors, janitors and cleaning ladies. We are all needed to be there for "show to go on". And all are valuable in own contribution for mutual process. Yes, some Higher Educated persons are "clumsy" for some simple things that somebody else can done with not much effort. I remembered, once, professors have been asking cleaning ladies, to cut some fruit on slices. And Ladies where not been willing to do it because, as they said, why teachers can not do it yourself? In one hand they was right, it is not mandatory job for cleaning lady to cut fruits. But it is also not obligated job for professors. (School, some professors and children classes had some guests, that is why they plan to offer some fruits to visitors) After one professor heard complaints from cleaning lady, she ask, Ok, i can go and cut fruits by myself, but can you give a lesson for students instead of me in meantime? Thanks to all here who are not so strict and demanding for my grammar :)) About other sort of disagreements we do not need to give any further explanations :)))))

1) Zoologists are discovering that homosexual and bisexual activity is not unknown within the animal kingdom. - https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/2004/07/homosexual-animals-debate/ 2) On other hand WT explaining this: "The soul, then, is the entire creature, ....."https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/what-is-a-soul/ The use of this one Hebrew word (Hebrew word neʹphesh and the Greek word psy·kheʹ) in many different contexts helps us to ascertain the basic idea inherent in the word as the Bible writers used it, namely, that it is a person, an individual, or a lower creature; https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1001060088 3) Bible say this: And God went on to say: “Let the earth+ put forth living souls according to their kinds, domestic+ animal*and moving+ animal and wild beast*+ of the earth according to its kind.” It is understandable and visible (not always, huh) how brain of human and animal are not the same. And how some moral questions about sexuality come up in human society. BUT, on other hand Bible reveals statement how Soul (and WT say how that means ENTIRE, WHOLE, animal or human individual/creature, aka brain, emotions, needs, wishes.....etc. If we produce some conclusions from this quotes, perhaps we can say how basic, primitive mechanism is similar, or it is almost the SAME in both bodies. So, we see very basic instincts in both Organism - with same/similar sort of behaviors. And as some other "inspired" human wrote: For the fates of both men and beasts are the same: As one dies, so dies the other— they all have the same breath. Man has no advantage over the animals, since everything is futile. -- A human being is no better off than an animal, because life has no meaning for either. Just for one more ANGLE of looking :))

Don't criticize person who is Critical Thinker :))))) ..... but you can criticize WT as much you wish. WT speculative doctrinal thinking has purpose: to collect and keep members who will support Corporation with money and free labor.

In matter of defending themselves, perhaps first thing in mind is about how to defend/escape/minimize injuries on you alone.... and, i think, you have no time and space to meditate about how to be nice and kind or not to kick too strong this hooligan. I have no experience in such situations. So, i guess, i would be beating to death if bastards find me in some dark place.

Here we have little different situation. If i am ignorant about history of Islam, that is one thing. But after 40+ years in JW i am not so uninformed about JW, as you suggest. To Understand "What the Bible really teach" is very complicated task even for many/all Bible scholars inside WT who sitting with/on/beside books 8 hours a day. :)))

No problem Lady Arauna. If you are so sure in Your reality i have no problem with your try to convince Muslim people how they are in absurd religion and how they believing in absurdity. I am not Muslim and i do not care so much for pro et contra "proves" is this religion true or lie. But it is interesting to read something about history, of course.

Absurdity - something that is stupid or unreasonable "Absurd" quote No 1) In Islam and in Old Israel and in other "only true religion" is very similar. Question 1: Is it Islam, as "only true religion", absurdity for Muslim? Question 2: Is it Jew religion, as "only true religion", absurdity for Jew people? Question 3: Does Jew and Muslim have something in common? By Islamic tradition, Ismail is the son of Ibrahim (Abraham) and Agar, and is worshiped as the bearer/father of the Arabs. Well, if Jews and Muslims consider their (separate) Religion as "Only true", that can not be absurd for them, but, can be absurd for other who not belong to one of this two religion. "Absurd" quote No 2) Leviticus 24:16 says, “Anyone who blasphemes the name of the LORD must be put to death. The entire assembly must stone him. Whether an alien or native-born, when he blasphemes the Name, he must be put to death.” Question 4: Does JW members consider this command as "absurd"? "Absurd" quote No 3) About women. They are always in wrong and must be guilty .... because in Eden Eve caused all problems, too :))))))  Bible report told how Adam blame Eve for eating The Fruit. He was not take responsibility for own action. Even more, Bible text make statement how Eve (The Woman) is more problematic than Adam (The Man): "A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet. For Adam was formed first, then Eve. And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner. Question 5: Do You support this view how women "became sinner" and Adam is just passive observer and was punished only because he has been in wrong place, in wrong moment? Which quotes are "absurd"? Those in 1 Timothy or my expression of making laugh of doctrine that making women more guilty than they are?

Of course. Perhaps JWorg can start to produce that sort of video and cartoons to prepare own people for such moments because it is going from bad to worse. Naturally, practical exercises should also be included.

hahahaha.... How it is possible that You can not see difference between Hypocritical and Mild Ironical quotes ??? !!! :)))) Have a good day Space Merchant. Mild Ironical because (my sentence is not strict official statement but it is more as response to Arauna's description on how Islam looks on women behavior) it is Directed/design for Present Auditorium. It is NOT Directed to female sex, as my opinion, belief or statement !!!! I ridicule those who have Macho attitude :))))

Question? How will God in His Kingdom manage the global population number? As i can recall JW was use one Bible verse from Genesis where God was command to Adam and Eve to FILL the Earth - and JW members used explanation that Earth will be Filled with people and not to Overfilled. But i can not recall about Official WT interpretation HOW will God stopped new birth, nativity. One crazy idea from GB member public talk was that in Kingdom when all come to perfection, all people will be brothers :))) that means - sisters will be transformed to brothers. And we have problem solved :))))))))))))))