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i see it now, from another computer. happy hour coffee :)))

thanks for link, but it can not be opend

Read Leviticus chapter 21. .. all people are not equal, even in god's eyes. And if it is so with god, how is it with other imperfect human than.

?? He changed Law. From Mosaic to Christ law. for example :))

....perhaps my English cause misunderstanding act /akt/ verb 1. take action; do something. "they urged Washington to act" sinonimi: take action, take steps, take measures, take the initiative, move, make a move, react, do something, proceed, go ahead; 2. behave in the way specified. "they challenged a man who was seen acting suspiciously" sinonimi: behave, function, react, perform; noun 1. a thing done; a deed. "a criminal act" sinonimi: deed, action, gesture, feat, exploit, move, performance, undertaking, manoeuvre, stunt, operation, venture, effort, enterprise, achievement, accomplishment "a life filled with acts of kindness" 2. a pretence. "she was putting on an act and laughing a lot" sinonimi: pretence, false display, show, front, facade, masquerade, charade, guise, posture, pose, affectation, appearance; Više

Reasoning of this type is/was nonsense ....., and JW people have to take clear stand and say that aloud to their human leaders.

Of course, people have to change previous doctrinal nonsense. If doctrinal nonsense including some trivial ideas that not affect your life in important things then it can be possible for all JW to laugh together on that. But when some doctrinal nonsense cause prison, death, personal and family problems ---- ???? what comfort and what kind of love will GB Teachers give you as compensation and help? As we can see, from past to today, they give you another nonsense.

funny explanation :))

must be" the new light effect" :))) flash ...... dance

Ah German, that is understandable, .. work, discipline, organization, orderliness, methodicalness .... I love Germany, been in some areas. I knew some JW there. But lost contacts.

Thanks John for emotions you put publicly. All in all, my prison time went well, working, going to school inside prison walls, not have problems with other prisoners, after 2 years get my first vacation to visit home. I am kind of introvert, and to be alone is not so harsh punishment in my case :))) i like more to be alone in 3x2,5 cell than in crowd. Perhaps .... or certainly/ obviously.... i have some unsolved psycho and early childhood issues :))))

I don't think this could be reason. Possibly the antagonism of the systems and the Russian-American relationship.

Just one moment for say something as general conversation :))) In this part of world in that period of time (until 1988/89, with fall of Wall and democratic changes in East Europe and in Yugoslavia) there is no alternative service. After, with time, came optional services with this GB "philosophy". Who is in charge and order service? Nonsense of sort, for sure. Today, looking on my period in prison, jail, and obligation on going to army, I came to conclusion how decision to reject army service is more decision of WT Corporation aka JW Church than my clear conscience stand on matter. Perhaps i assured my self it is my conscience, but in fact it was about behavior according to group (JW congregation) i was belong in that time. It was expected to do it that way. Similar as to expectations and obligation on JW brothers to not wearing beards :)))). If you want be ok for God, for congregation, do shave every day :))) Issue is not for comparison, but "principle" coming from same idea. To be different, to not to be "part of the world", "to be holy". Levels of our obligations and obeys to man, is in gradation. You will obey something to certain level, until your "conscience" or belonging to particular group, or Bible verse (interpretation of that verse) said you to NOT doing or obey man, authority or so. Similar is with army service. If young man wearing uniform, running whole day to get condition, cleaning, learning about weapons, shooting and so ... but not hurt anyone, then some will find such activity to be acceptable. When somebody order you to kill other people, that is situation in what you must have your stand and do as you think is right. Some religious groups are very active in "proselytizing", preaching to other people. Some have unique "uniforms" and others are "civilians". But their "service" as "soldier of Christ" or "soldier" of their church, can bring also some good and some very bad results. This religious service in the name of god are called "spiritual battles". And all such "soldiers" are able, in spiritual sense, accidentally or purposely, to hurt and to "kill" other people with, sometimes, persistent consequences. Religious teachings are the "bullets". Parable...... Well, FDS aka GB are "Army officers" for 8 mil JW members. Would you as an ordinary JW rank and file "soldier" obey all commands coming from GB "superior authority"??

With or without Raymond, the FDS / GB has demonstrated (show it until today) how things are in WT.

Everywhere, in whole Russia? Are Russian JW only one in whole world doing such activity? Never heard something similar here in Croatia, or elsewhere. Do you know who organizing this voluntary work, is it by own initiative of members, or by elders or by Betel?

If this is true, very good. But, it is strange to hear something like this.

Ok, but one little detail - God also has free will to chose, and by that to cause or not to cause outcome of something. And we will never know what was happened. Or, we can talk about question; Does God has free will? Or He acting in a way He MUST to act, because He is God and God acting as God. When people say God is love and good, than they mean, He can't be unrighteous, or bad. So, by that, He has not free will to act in a different way but only in one way - always showing justice, mercy, love ....even in a situation when he killing humans. Interesting,

This sort of subject, question on predestination, free choice and God's capacity to see future is problematic to understand, for me at least :))) Some quotes from WT publications stated, how God can see your future and all in your personal life, but he not using his capacity, power to do that, how he respects your individuality and privacy, so he has no need to deal with you in such way. But on other hand he will use this method if he have reason for that. All examples about idea and practice, when God decide to brake your privacy, ant to used this kind of going into your free will, future, state of heart and mind, we have in few bible reports, Judas is one example. If God see your bad intentions, and how you will never, but never, for sure never change your attitude as in Judas case, then NO ONE can give any help to such person. If God saw how Judas alone as person can not change his personality, how Jesus can not help him to change, how no one of his family, friends can do nothing about it, than all is in vain even for Judas alone and all his intentions and tries, because God Himself saw and PREDICT how such person will be born and done this to Jesus. And how that will not be done by some brother from Egypt or China but ONLY from one of 12. And in one of 12 only Judas will be that person. God saw how Judas, and no one else but Judas will do this. And by that, God "choose" Judas for doing this act. Did God saw Judas future before Adam and Eve creation?? Or after? Or before Abraham? Or before John Baptist? This would be Speculative conversations and theories !!!!! coming to NO WHERE! If He saw Judas failure future, did he decide how he can not help him because, as verses said, Judas heart was bad?? So, how many hearts here on this forum are bad in that way, that god can not do nothing about that?? JW believe how life is not predestined. Only believes how God can see your future, and future of all mankind. But with subject of "prophesies" you must to enter in sphere of predestination. Is "prophecy" merely God's looking in future events that will be? If it is, then life is predestined in some way, because future is already past event, for God at least who saw your past, present and future before you came in existence. And if He decide not to intervene, people can not do nothing else but just the things He saw they/you are doing. If "prophecy" is something what will be done by somebody in the future, than you are again in sphere of predestination because somebody will and must fulfill particular "prophecy" because God already saw particular event. Did He saw what things will take place in the future or did He saw what things will not take place in the future? :))))

Nice. Where is the place you singing this way?

Hi! I see this subject this way. If somebody made decision, rule (that in KH meeting) how particular clothes and details in clothes are only acceptable (but some other fashion is even forbidden or just "not good") for people who coming in KH, then after some time, this rule come to be tradition. And in general, with time passing, members will not consider this as just rule but as tradition, folkloric issue, for particular people in particular social group, JW community in this case.

They said how here in Croatia is origin of tie (kravata - Croata, Cravate - in English, from French word Cravates for Croatian people ) typical scarves worn by Croatian cavalrymen, an accessory which became the ubiquitous necktie of today...

Perhaps TTH connecting concentration camp's dress fashion, the very modest one, as dress without any sexual elements and call for fantasy, with this topic?? :)))))

This can bring us to interesting discussion with interesting people.

It is understandable for me to see your disappoint about R.F. or similar characters inside JW. Yes, perhaps your view about him is correct. But for many of us is of less concern why he wrote a book about GB and WT. We can feel sorrow for him or we can say he is/was hypocrite. Nevertheless, information's we get from his inside insight about WT GB mechanism are more important then he alone. Because "The Truth" is in question, not he, not me, not you. He was the one who has must struggle with HIS conscience why he stay inside and support all wrongs he knew about, despite knowledge he had. He was the one who has been responsible for covering this too long and so on. I do not care, in final stage of matter, what was his motive. Only important thing for me is; Is it that or this, what he said, true?

You made important point. If someone can not defeat your arguments or evidences then they questioning your motives. So pathetic!!! "Yes, it can be how this what he said was happened, but WHY HE said this? ... because HIS MOTIVES are bad". And WHO are you? to judge my motives ! :)))