Srecko Sostar

Teaching and inspiring, about this issue, is job for Spirit, not for me to care about. Because Word we talking about aka Bible aka God's and Jesus's teaching are not came in existence with my birth day. If you believe in Bible reports about Power of Spirit who made that people speaking various languages and in that way give testimony about God, then you can put your trust in this same Spirit. This Spirit, i suppose, is able to overcome language barriers, you talking about, because this same Spirit was causing language barriers in humankind before many centuries, according to Bible report. People run Corporations (GB run WTJWorg inc.) but I am not sure that Holy Spirit have interest to run any Human Corporation. I would rather be ready to believe how Holy Spirit wish to run human hearts. By such influence, on people's hearts .... all your doubts can be explained. :))

Excellent Letter!

Sorry, but it seems to me how speaker made wrong illustration. First and main reason of all --- you said that bottle is filled with TWO DIFFERENT oils. Here is the answer, Two Different oils. So, oils are already different, outside the bottle or inside the bottle. He used oils that are made of different substances (numbers of molecules and atoms and connections between them). But human specie is all the same. If you put people from Africa or those from Asia in North Pole area all of them will feel cold. If you put Christian or Atheist in some temptation, all of them will respond in similar ways. World is not black/white always, only sometimes. Most of the time is in colors. So, "not to be part of the world" in fact not existing, because all people are the same, making good and bad things and living in interactions with other "oils".

i just went to my Kingdom Interlinear Translation Copyright 1985 by WTBTS of Pennsylvania and IBSA 800 000 copies. Publishers: WTBTS of New York inc. and IBSA Brooklyn Made in USA IN Greek text not existing word "accordingly"

Dear JW Insider and Arauna! I would like to turn your attention on literal graphic of my letters "C14" is widespread tool, method, also used many times by GB in spiritual dating of various Bible events (607 for example :)))). "C14" here (is sort of parable, symbolic meaning) have meaning of how methods for age determination with Carbon 14, some people considered as unreliable and inadequate or insufficient for longer periods of time. When connected "C14" with GB, I mean on that part of spiritual methods and instruments in hand of GB who try to determine, reveal, explain things and concepts in Bible. And how GB using "tools" of all kind, but such instruments and methods they using are not provide All Time Truth, but repeating mistakes.

If we take in consideration how "voice" of Spirit beside His powerful expressions have other side too, and that is that Spirit is very sensible, soft, coming to human individuals if we allow Him to come. Spirit is (i think) not pushy, demanding, Spirit not love to force other to accepting what He want, but He love our free will and He love to see our give Welcome to Him. To Spirit is easier to approach to us, if in us there is no noise, that kind of noise because of what, we can not hear his quiet and soft voice, call: "Come!, Hear Me!"... or else. But as i express myself in previous comments, Spirit can go wherever He want to go, when ever He want, and to "visit" all people no matter what they are in particular time. Even if you are in mess He can come to you. I see sort of "technical problem and spiritual problem" when you mentioned "purpose of meetings" in JW community. Program of meetings are in sphere of Uniformity under common believes how worldwide Unity depends on Same Program for All. This is, i think, one moment when Human Program makes barrier for Free Spirit to come. (two things i have in mind with Free Spirit, and that is Holy Spirit and your Personal Spirit). I am very sure how all of you (us) feel the need for something different when come to meeting. For example, need to sit in peace and silence and thinking about own stuff, or just looking around on other people and to observe, to notice and be perceptive about surrounding ..... But when things are ordered in advance, from day to day, week to week, your current needs, feelings and state of mind can not be satisfied. You became sort of Robot with idea how you must do this or that because other ask you that, it is Expected from you. Just for little illustration. :)) This is why i am pleased and have honor to have conversation with few of you here :)

This is very motivating idea for all of us and i see it as result of Free Spirit. :))

I can give example of some strange situation in 1 century. Act s 19:1-6 is first that fall on my head :))) In the course of events, while A·polʹlos+ was in Corinth, Paul went through the inland regions and came down to Ephʹe·sus.+ There he found some disciples 2 and said to them: “Did you receive holy spirit when you became believers?”+ They replied to him: “Why, we have never heard that there is a holy spirit.” 3 So he said: “In what, then, were you baptized?” They said: “In John’s baptism.”+ 4 Paul said: “John baptized with the baptism in symbol of repentance,+telling the people to believe in the one coming after him,+ that is, in Jesus.” 5 On hearing this, they got baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. 6 And when Paul laid his hands on them, the holy spirit came upon them,+ and they began speaking in foreign languages and prophesying.+ Here we see how some disciple have legal status before God even without some knowledge, information or power to speak or doing things that some other disciple can and in fact they doing. It is strange that this disciple who learned The Truth from John knew nothing about Holy Spirit. Because John was man who was been inspired and guided by that same Holy Spirit??!! And people around them accepted him as Man from God. In last part of this verses we see how this Ignorant Disciples began speaking and prophesying under the Power Of Spirit. It is normal conclusion, to me, that this disciples did not know, have no clue what they are speaking and prophesying about. Because in one moment they are those who never heard about HS and in another second they have been INSPIRED, even without own will and wish to be inspired. Paul just laid hand on them. They have been baptized twice :))) ... very confusing situation how Spirit operates in human reality. John baptized Jesus and many other people. But to accept Jesus, Paul told them they have to be baptized again. Imagine possibility how these disciples were baptized on the same day as Jesus?! As you see, i can not give example how Free Spirit will or can operate. All i can do is just/only to make questions about.

What is essence of my little/short essay is to highlight main question: WHO can be inspired, guided, motivated to speak and act under The God's Spirit influence? As a sub-question we can ask further question: Does God's Spirit have limitations in the self made choice about, to who he wants to inspire and how he wants to inspire him?

This nice observation can be use for (from my perspective of looking) WT "scientists" aka bible scholars in general, or GB - FDS as origin, source, in role of those who giving permission for printing (and all other form of distribution) all past, present and future interpretations. "C14" is widespread tool, method, also used many times by GB in spiritual dating of various Bible events (607 for example :)))).

Dear JW Insider. This is an open provocation to Librarian. You are 1 light year out of topic with tacos recipe :)))))))))

Thanks Librarian for little "rebuke". But Fossils (in fact living Creatures at first, before death), in Creation view on matter, will not be possible to find in the ground (or else) and in this topic today too, if the Spirit did not create them. No matter how much we want some words will be part of text no matter of main context.

:)) do not give up, i am in the same process

Ops, issue of spirit again. According to some explanations Spirit works by spirit power. Manifestations of spirit power can be material or spiritual, i guess. Today it seems how this spirit not created material things. Also this spirit, according to some explanations not making powerful works in healing people, to rise up the dead people, no miracle feeding with bread, also not making people to speak what spirit want them to speak, etc. Also, according to GB, nowadays people can not be inspired by this spirit (but only can be guided and motivated). Well, i can not understand statements How this spirit helps with the rest, when he is not functioning today as spirit usually working as it is described in Bible? Also, What is the difference in wording and more important what/how looks differences in manifestation when; - spirit inspired you, (spirit not inspired you) - spirit guided you, (spirit not guided you) - spirit motivated you, (spirit not motivated you) How JW can recognized, differentiate and explain when one of this spirit acting is in progress?

If you don't mind i would like to provide little reminiscence about context in comment of your's. 3 What does Jesus’ illustration about the faithful slave mean? In the past, our publications have said the following: At Pentecost of the year 33, Jesus appointed the faithful slave to care for his domestics. Since then, the slave is all anointed Christians as a group who live on earth at any one time. The domestics are these anointed ones as individuals. In 1919, Jesus appointed the faithful slave “over all his belongings,” everything on earth that is used to support the Kingdom preaching work. But after carefully studying this subject, praying about it, and meditating on it, we realized that our understanding of Jesus’ words about the faithful and discreet slave needs to be changed. (Proverbs 4:18) Let us discuss the illustration and how it affects us, whether we have the hope of living in heaven or on earth. source: https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/402013533 Right from the start, it is very important to note what the GB says about how (process) the interpretation of the Jesus words/text has changed. They give this explanation: "But after carefully studying this subject, praying about it, and meditating on it." As we clearly see here, there is no single word about influence by Holy Spirit.They not used phrases as "we have been guided by HS" ,or "we have been motivated by HS" and because influence from God's Spirit we made this (small, big, important, not important) changes. They just done 3 things that every average and responsible JW member (or even JW kid) doing every day. What is it? A) carefully study Bible, B) pray about, and C) meditate. !!!! NOTHING more or less! But it seems how only GB is authorized to change understanding, globally, for all 8 mil JW members. According to WT credo, single JW is not authorized to change own understanding in this very same process that was described in WT magazine and other places in publications. If JW rank and file member dare to change established and official understanding of some GB doctrines, then he/she will be given a lesson and correction, rebuke or discipline. Confession and repentance are expected, or, he/she coming to be an apostate and dangerous individual in spiritual paradise. But when GB doing the same thing, no one of them have to show the humility of this kind. No one is above them to "rebuke" their inappropriate behavior. GB expressed false humility by word "we", but "we" almost always have one meaning - all JW community ... ... and GB pushing COLLECTIVE FEEL OF GUILT FOR ALL WRONG EXPECTATIONS and WRONG INTERPRETATIONS. Now, back to the FDS of Mathew. “IF EVER THAT EVIL SLAVE . . .” Jesus has given the faithful and discreet slave an extremely important responsibility. He has appointed this slave to care for the domestics and to give out spiritual food at the right time. Jesus said that those with greater responsibility have more expected of them. (Luke 12:48) So he ended his illustration about the faithful and discreet slave with a serious warning. Jesus warned about an evil slave who believes that the master is taking too long to return and who starts to beat the other slaves. When the master arrives, he will punish that slave in a very severe way.—Read Matthew 24:48-51. Was Jesus foretelling that there would be an evil slave class in the last days? No. It is true that some individuals have shown an attitude similar to that of the evil slave described by Jesus. We would call them apostates, whether they were of the anointed or of the “great crowd.” (Revelation 7:9) But these ones are not an evil slave class. Jesus did not say that he would appoint an evil slave. His words here are actually a warning given to the faithful and discreet slave. Notice that Jesus begins the warning by saying “if ever.” These words show that what Jesus next described would not necessarily happen. It was as if Jesus was saying: ‘If the faithful and discreet slave were ever to treat the other slaves cruelly in these ways, the master would punish him severely.’ (See also Luke 12:45.) But the faithful and discreet slave as a group has continued to stay alert and to give out spiritual food of good quality. The anointed brothers who make up the faithful slave realize that their Master expects them to take good care of his domestics. These anointed brothers sincerely desire to care for their responsibility loyally so that when the Master finally arrives, he might say to them “well done.” By this explanation GB class say: In today WTJWorg organization there is no evil slave class. Only some individuals outside of GB class members, will show an attitude similar to evil person slave. Well now, what are the Jesus words? Imagination, fantasy, parable, illustration, prophecy, good night story, moral lesson, reality in 1 century, reality for all centuries in future time, impossibly thing to ever happen, exemption only in some rare situations, ...? "...logical fallback position - from a human standpoint at least." Of course, human standpoint is only one we have always with us every day, after all :))) And beside plan a, it is also good to have b,c,d... But in that way of functioning we recognize and confess how points A) carefully study Bible, B) pray about, and C) meditate is mere human process with rarely moments of Inspiration (on single personal level) that come Above. In GB class case that rare moments of (private level or class level) Inspiration from Above not coming on them at all, because they loudly claiming; "We are not inspired!" To recall again on what WT magazine has wrote; as individuals, GB members are not FDS, as group who sitting together in one room they are FDS. Resume of such WT quotes/statements can be this: 1) as Private Person GB member is as every average JW who have no influence on Organization Moves. 2) as Collective Class GB members are doing the same thing with same result as every average JW member with one exception. And that is siting, reading, praying and meditate and making decisions where and how Organization will go . In both case outcome is the same -- "uninspired" decisions. I personally would not say how some sort of Inspiration from Above never came on me (in what ever issue). But, such personal feelings is in sphere of own interpretations/speculations what is/was happening. So, it can be true and/or false/illusive. Or some sort of mixed, unknown definition about what we going/went through. And would I made that as credo, doctrine that have to be reality for other people and their lives, about how Bible text come to fulfillment in my/their life?

Thanks for response, but i don't recall that i have done any changes in title. But on other hand we all are imperfect ... and technology too :)))

I can understand and even accept how "they see themselves" in such role, position, call ....some sort of leadership is needed for coordinate the work of many people. Such statement reveals hypocrisy of sort (on GB side, not Your's) . Namely, WT literature explained how is Strongly Unacceptable that JW members engages in any social change of this Old World, who was alienated and condemned by God. They illustrate this with picture of "sinking ship", and with; Why to try save or improve system that will soon be destroyed by god. GB Involving in change of Legislative and Law of some Country is more then just looking for "social change", for example; solving medical problems, charity kitchen for poor, shelters for homeless people (or animal) ...etc. GB instructions say NO, for such activity of their members. WT qoutes: When Jesus gave his preaching commission, he did not instruct his followers to preach social or political reforms, union of Church and State, or any other secular ideology. https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2012324#h=10 We do not lobby, https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2016288#h=36 Reformers try to get society to rethink its approach on issues. They do not just protest; they have ideas about how to improve things... Yet, Christ did not initiate a campaign ... https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/102004202#h=28 As You said GB "HAVE PUSHED to have them changed". How they Pushed them? Asking for Law Changes. Who can making Law changes? Politicians? I believe how they are involved very much in this process. ...to be continue

Dear Arauna and other readers. quote: "Anyone who believes the universe came from nothing or believes that something comes from nothing ..." Concept of "Nothing" is somehow unclear, indistinctive. About What one thinking when talk about existence of "nothing" and how "from nothing can not come to something" ? Who promote idea that universe came from nothing? Does "science and scientist" promote this idea? Or, people who have faith in Bible came to this question/logic as respond to some "scientific" explanation about life origin on Earth and origin of Universe that they found as not reasonable or possible. I do not know if theory about Big Bang is still in play, but as i can see Bib Bang thesis not promote idea of "nothing". Because for such Big Explosion is need existence of "something" to explode. quote: "It is a totally unscientific statement and even if you say you are a scientist 1000 times, it does not make you a scientist..." If i am not "scientist" do I have "credential" to discuss about "science", or just to have and express my opinion, critical thinking, criticism, feelings about subject, etc? To be in rank of "scientist" one need to have Higher Education. JW members are not , in general, scientists. Few of them are Highly educated and GB discourage members to look for such education, even to such measure to "marking" those JW who would like to go to University. If you are not carpenter, you have nothing to tell/teach about carpentry those people who are carpenters. Just my level of "unscientific" logic :))) quote: "IN any case there are now many papers which prove that..." What papers? "Scientific" magazines or some Sport magazines, or WTJWorg publications that made quotes from some "scientific" editions, books, magazines?

Heh.... but now,today, is 0 shares, confused i am now :))))

Yes, i noticed too that thing Witness. And i'm glad that some people have "that something" to see more and above that what WT offer to members. Witness, is it possible to see who or where people sharing articles? Greetings, wish you all best!

hi "Frederik" ! :)))

This is clear prove, evidence about worldwide unity .....or uniformity? :)) ............., What is an advantage, and what is a flaw in unity and what in uniformity?

1:16 min ....WT 7/15/2011 quotes that Only if you have strong friendship with JHVH you will be happy and only JHVH will solve all your problems." "So it is only when we have a strong friendship with Jehovah that we can really be happy and safe. Only Jehovah can help us with all our problems." - simplified edition "Only in a strong relationship with him can we find genuine security." - normal, complicated edition Compare it and you will see how with term "genuine security", reader in fact can not understand fully what this include. It seems how simplified edition is not only for people who are weak in English language, but it is for all other too. Because author of article with term "genuine security" building special meanings in 3 area of human life, that is: 1) Life Happiness, 2) Life Safety, 3) Life Problems. Does term "genuine security" including also: justice, economic welfare, job for all, safety place for children, no domestic violence, medical care for all, education for poor people too, etc? In simplified edition Writing Department explained how "genuine security" means/comprises how your religious belongings to JW religion and worshiping JHVH as your Friend, inside WT Company, will provide you all blessings about "happy, safe and problems" issue. But still, despite such claims in article, JW members are not sure that they are happy and safe, and they have not all problems solved despite their friendship with JHVH. And not to forget one small detail that JW member will achieved all this goals ONLY IF OBEY ALL GB directives. :))

GB famous phrases are: "we are not inspired but we are guided, motivated"... and... with self invented/claims: "JHVH trusts us, Jesus trust us".....they ask YOU to trust THEM. And JW members, in general, not see trap and snare by what GB try to enslave human minds. 2. (a) Who is “the faithful and discreet slave,” or “the faithful steward”? (b) How has the slave established a fine record of “following the Lamb”? 2 What can be said about the anointed Christians in modern times? In his prophecy about “the sign of [his] presence and of the conclusion of the system of things,” Jesus referred to the composite body of his spirit-anointed followers on earth as “the faithful and discreet slave,” or “the faithful steward.” (Matt. 24:3, 45; Luke 12:42) As a group, the slave class has established an excellent record of “following the Lamb no matter where he goes.” (Read Revelation 14:4, 5.) Its members remain virgins in a spiritual sense by not defiling themselves with the beliefs and practices of “Babylon the Great,” the world empire of false religion. (Rev. 17:5) No doctrinal falsehood is “found in their mouths,” and they remain “without blemish” from Satan’s world. (John 15:19) In the future, the remaining anointed ones on earth “will follow” the Lamb right into heaven.—John 13:36. 3. Why is it important for us to trust the slave class? 3 Jesus has appointed the faithful and discreet slave “over his domestics,” that is, the individual members of the slave class, “to give them their food at the proper time.” He has also appointed the slave “over all his belongings.” (Matt. 24:45-47) These “belongings” include the growing “great crowd” of “other sheep.” (Rev. 7:9; John 10:16) Should not individual members of the anointed and the “other sheep” trust the slave appointed over them? There are many reasons why the slave class deserves our trust. Two outstanding reasons are: (1) Jehovah trusts the slave class. (2) Jesus also trusts the slave. Let us examine the evidence that both Jehovah God and Jesus Christ have complete confidence in the faithful and discreet slave. 5. What shows that God’s spirit is empowering the slave class? 5 Jehovah also blesses the slave class with his holy spirit. While Jehovah’s spirit is invisible, what it produces in those upon whom it operates is not. Think of what the faithful and discreet slave has been able to accomplish in giving a worldwide witness about Jehovah God, his Son, and the Kingdom. Jehovah’s worshippers are actively proclaiming the Kingdom message in over 230 lands and island groups. Does that not give undeniable evidence that God’s spirit is empowering the slave? (Read Acts 1:8.) In providing timely spiritual food for Jehovah’s people the world over, the slave class must make vital decisions. In making them and putting them into effect, the slave exhibits love, mildness, and other aspects of the spirit’s fruitage.—Gal. 5:22, 23. source; https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2009123#h=7 Now we have some work (read Critical Thinking, not criticism :))) ) to do about claims in paragraphs. First, if you, as JW and student, regularly reading this sort of spiritual foods, you already noticed that many important doctrinal changes are occurred since 2009 and this Study Material in your congregation. For example: 1) "Jesus referred to the composite body of his spirit-anointed followers on earth as “the faithful and discreet slave,” or “the faithful steward.” NOT "TRUTH" ANY MORE 2) "He has also appointed the slave “over all his belongings.” NOT "TRUTH" ANY MORE When Author of WT article described FDS by said: "No doctrinal falsehood is “found in their mouths,” then he made false statement despite, must to have knowledge, about previous changes on doctrines and interpretations. But most of all, it is of crucial importance to readers of such articles to recognize and see what falsehood and manipulation coming from magazine's Writing Department (The original text is prepared in English. The Governing Body oversees the activity of the Writing Department at our world headquarters. This department coordinates the assignments of the writers who serve at headquarters and at certain branch offices. Having a diversified writing staff allows us to address multicultural subjects that give our publications an international appeal. (source: https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1102012164 ) How can be said, without any shame, that there is no "doctrinal falsehood" in FDS aka GB mouths, when they changes teachings on a regular basis? 3) "Jehovah also blesses the slave class with his holy spirit". QUESTIONABLE IDEA 4) "While Jehovah’s spirit is invisible, what it produces in those upon whom it operates is not." QUESTIONABLE IDEA 5) "Does that not give undeniable evidence that God’s spirit is empowering the slave?" QUESTIONABLE IDEA What makes points 3,4, and 5 as questionable idea? Few times GB and some of those before them, FDS composite, made clear statement how they are NOT INSPIRED (not always negate this possibility, but recently they did it in clear and sound words). About what they are not inspired? They explained: 1. GB are not inspired 2. WT publications are not inspired. So, .... in one moment they CLAIM how they have Blesses, Produces, Empowering with -God's Spirit- in sharing spiritual food, doctrines, teachings, instructions, global work, but ... in another moment they DENIED how they are Inspired by this same -God's Spirit-? 6) Two outstanding reasons are: (1) Jehovah trusts the slave class. (2) Jesus also trusts the slave. Really ? :)))) Self-praise and self-deceiving.... with clear intention to deceive you. THINK about! Who have REASON (reasoning and sound mind) TO PUBLICLY CLAIM how JHVH and Jesus TRUST ME/US/THEM ??!! DO You ever say in comment on meetings, from platform in public talk, in preaching service to people THAT God and Jesus TRUST YOU/ME, so you have to trust all words I told you. Well please, who speaking "falsehood" to whom? :))))

I went now on video you mentioned. It is strange. In first, stone issue and in last issue about worshiping act they are not made illustrated imagining, possible outcome as they have done with fall from the wall. They all are messed up. And the maker of video too is messed up :))) This with A and THE ..... must go to English grammar