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Billy, it is true how my English is weak. But please, take it seriously how i do not care if some elder, while he is sitting in serious Judicial Committee chair, thinking about shopping the milk, planing to go to pick kid in kinder school, or making drawings of flowers on his private paper. If they doing so while discussing serious matters than they must find another job and not be in position of "shepherds". You Billy are so funny with this sort of thoughts. But in tragic way.

To put ex-witnesses and opposers in one place seems possible. But you need to be more positive about your "fake brothers". Give chance to those you named "fake" :)))) Love covers all sins. Elders and Personal thoughts - memos. Elders are official agents for WT. They have personal thoughts, for sure. But in standard procedures, judicial investigations and judging, all memos and thoughts are not Personal but Official. In every legal step about members, in every advice, in conversation in back room with two or more elders - nothing is "Personal". Personal is out of Record. One on One. No one else listening our conversation. All things about molestation inside JW church are not just "personal, private issue". Because of elders reaction, matter comes to be Public issue, Legal issue, Court issue. All elders thoughts put on memos, records, notes about such things are no more "private". All that must be secured and preserve, save for future eventuality. Other problem with elders handling things is in this, because member on the bench, have no right to make personal notes, to record all conversation, to have own lawyer, or at least the witness on his side in such situations.

... of course, and WT is also one of the system players with or without implemented secular or non secular laws and procedures and all possible interpretations of that laws, regulations, internal and outside rules. All that makes them, WTJWorg, as any other Organization. Worldly or Divinely, all failed. And all of them have strong tendency, intention to hide own wrongs. Hide own but to point with finger on other Organizations. WT publications has many articles about, for example Catholic Church, and child abuse made by priests (not need to mention many emphasized things about "spiritual adultery", revealed by WT, about Roman Church and others churches. What Catholic magazine, or from some other religious org., systematically, for decades "attacks" WTJWorg? I am not reader of any religious publications today. In past i was reading only WT magazines, because it was and it is forbidden by WT to have and to read any other, different religious material that is not published by WT.

Excuse me for a moment ! WT choose to play by the secular rules when that suites to them, when not, they ask for different treatment and are disobedient to secular authority. DOUBLE Standards !

All those hard working people in Betel's around the world receiving money, accommodation, food. And they can be fired! No matter of "volunteering" philosophy that circling about this sort of "ministry". SO, YES WT have Clergy + Nuns (married or single). If somebody else pays/giving, donation money or some other money from other sources, for your "voluntary service", your service is not voluntary in true sense of the meaning of that word. Even small money or given things disqualified you to call yourself "volunteer". Other story is, is level of money they received enough to be called "salary" (but it doesn't matter, in some countries people working for $ or less per day), or WT Company pays miserable money to own working class in purpose to save money for some other goals, but NOT for CHARITY purpose.

Because the Vision of this secular people have Clear Sight on this matter. They using right/correct terminology. WT have hierarchical structure with Clergy, Businessman, Lawyers and Supporters/Members.

13:36 video - we support our communities ( i guess he talking about worldly communities) through volunteer service or compulsory civilian service where that exists and we pay our taxes Supporting communities would mean: to give those in need - bread, job, shelter, clothes, etc. without expecting from them to accept Bible study, going to meetings and similar. JW are discourage from WT publication to participate in social work by some kind of volunteer service organized by "worldly" people. JW community, as far as it is known, not organizing public kitchens, shelters or other social helping acts for people out side JW community. To merging, as he suggesting , Compulsory civilian service and Volunteer service is funny. These are two different activities. Another question that he put to listeners is, Where such services exists?. Is that mean how in places where such services not existing, JW NOT participated in any sort of Supporting communities? Preaching is not supporting communities, that sort of service is "mandatory" for JW members. Compulsory definition - required; mandatory; obligatory Volunteer/ing (service) - to offer to do something that you do not have to do, often without having been asked to do it and/or without expecting payment; an altruistic activity where an individual or group provides services for no financial or social gain "to benefit another person, group or organization" 13:56 video - but neither do we criticize those in power undermine their policies or demonstrate for political change .... neither do we condemn any political position 14:48 video - neutrality means we don't take sides This is not correct statement. Sending Letters to Putin and Medvedev, to Russian Government (or to any other as past WT publications shows) and to other Individuals who are powerful, with call to change their Policies, Political decisions and Juridical decisions is DIRECT Attempt to influence on Worldly System, Political, Social, Religious system of Russian Government, as last example we have . In purpose to do this, WTJWorg lawyers, run the lobbying and making legal moves, that are initiated in front of the Political and Judicial bodies of Western countries, from, so called Democracy. And, do not forget, JW preaching how this Democratic Countries of West are under direct "satan's influence". So, tell us please, how it is possible that Representatives, Ambassadors of only true religion, of JHVH Earthly Organization asking for help "satan's Servants" in The West Side that are in opposition to their Colleges on The East Side ?

Human argumentation about human argumentation. For making review on WT history teachings and published "spiritual food", you do not need, as you said "inspired arguments, thoughts, writings". Because all WT quotes, that was presented and debunked, are NOT inspired, nor inspired in arguments. WTJWorg GB are not just imperfect good church leaders. Intentionally or by accident, they are teachers of false things. Mixing Jesus and WT Church Main Body is not good. People in past who left Jesus because lack of understanding were not been rejecting by Jesus in a way that GB rejects those who left WTJWorg Company today. And despite your knowledge about it, you still allow WTGB to guide your mindset. Problems for today christian followers should not be human side of apostles of 1 century. Because, 1 century apostles human's side was thing, issue that/it should have been solved by christian people in their time. And today, nowadays JW people have to deal with modern human side of artificial apostles in WT.

..... publishing time service recorded on monthly report... i guess. I am talking about other reasons that should motivate you and other JW member in writing letters to governmental structures in behalf of suppressed individuals or groups that are not JW members.

observations or accusations ? :))))

Dear Tom, you over reacted, i expected more balanced understanding of my quote, from you after all at the end. But on other hand you revealed i am on good track with my observations on subject. I understand your worry, but you find my question stupid before, when i asked; Why JW not sending Letters for non-JW people, or would JW sending Letters not only on behalf other JW, but on behalf of other who not belong to JW community. Well now; Presentation of Galatians 6:10 as argument on standpoint you like to highlight with tendency to justify JW passivity about other social, religious, etc. groups falls down with more important moral lesson, given not by Paul, but by Jesus himself. Please, let me remind all of us here, on: 29 But he wanted to justify himself, so he asked Jesus, “And who is my neighbor?” 30 In reply Jesus said: “A man was going down from Jerusalem to Jericho, when he was attacked by robbers. They stripped him of his clothes, beat him and went away, leaving him half dead. 31 A priest happened to be going down the same road, and when he saw the man, he passed by on the other side. 32 So too, a Levite, when he came to the place and saw him, passed by on the other side. 33 But a Samaritan, as he traveled, came where the man was; and when he saw him, he took pity on him. 34 He went to him and bandaged his wounds, pouring on oil and wine. Then he put the man on his own donkey, brought him to an inn and took care of him. 35 The next day he took out two denarii[c] and gave them to the innkeeper. ‘Look after him,’ he said, ‘and when I return, I will reimburse you for any extra expense you may have.’ 36 “Which of these three do you think was a neighbor to the man who fell into the hands of robbers?” 37 The expert in the law replied, “The one who had mercy on him.” Jesus told him, “Go and do likewise.” Jesus answered on your question what is wrong with that. You don't need stupid boy like me to answer on your questions :)))

Thanks James, same feelings from my side too. Words, birds of a feather flock together, well says how things are. In ornithology aspects, human have loves for all or almost for all birds. But in aspects of "human birds", human "bird" making choice/choices about other sort of human birds. In common, general aspects that usually ending in prejudice, rejecting, "flocking" in separate societies, groups and similar. Such things around us are "normal". We all were borne in this "normal" life conditions and accepting these ideas as ours too. People of Earth "dreaming" one global, the same "dream". No, matter of the "flock" they temporary belongs, they have common "dream" as heritage from past generations. And in global terms, they all, almost all, are so deep in this dream, but so effective in so called awaken state, that they think they are awake. Dream so deep that make you thinking, feeling you are awake :))) In that sense, thoughts i am talking about, how your suffer, your tears, your pain, your happiness, your doubts and many other things, it should mean something to me too. "The sign", no matter of what origin, that others put on our forehead, or we have chosen it by ourselves, is an obstacle, not a blessing.

This quote you provide can be more clearly put in this one substitute sentence, and thus reveals YOUR (or JW view in general ?) secret wishes of heart and state of mind: JW members are less concerned about suffer of people who are not JW.

I am not sure is it "torture", of any kind, in police/military investigations, legal or illegal by the Law of particular country. Believe it is not. But, if police went over, above permitted methods in investigations of those JW people, than they must be called for accountability about violence, for sure !!

Sorry, but i can not resist to make little fun on this, with question: Do they (JW) sending Letters to some government, political group or major of town where people and structures not protecting LGBT community enough or not protecting at all? Mine stupidity is great :))))) because, as i know, JW members, congregations or WT-HQ, Betel's, NOT sending Letters pro, in behalf of non -JW people who suffer under some system. Answer why,is in WTJWorg publications. But Letters to Politicians about JW in Russia is ok to send. It is not about my wrongs, but ....:))))

By now, news of the vicious anti-LGBT campaign in the Russian republic of Chechnya has made its way around the world. The evidence is clear. Hundreds of men have been detained, beaten, humiliated and tortured — for the sole offense of being who they are. Russian reporters have confirmed at least three extrajudicial killings. Victims continue to share horrific accounts of torture facilities. The Chechen government’s efforts to deny its crimes are less than convincing. “You cannot detain and persecute people who simply do not exist in the republic,” as one spokesman put it. - https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/democracy-post/wp/2017/04/25/eastern-europe-must-break-its-silence-on-russias-anti-gay-campaign/?utm_term=.d267c18b498e Would WTJWorg take stand for rights of these community too? They are also "persecuted" by the King of the North, and their human rights are violated. Inside WTJWorg comunity rules not allowed this way of living for people who are what they are, who not fit in. WTJworg bans that this sort of people come to be JW members and live and practice their way of living. Is this religious stand also sort of "extremism", Patriot law based on religious beliefs? Also, as another examples for illustration, we can count this - WTJWorg intolerant view; on worldly education, interfaith marriage, some medical treatments, social contacts with unbelievers (only for purpose of preaching). Very, very poor or complete lack of charity work for non JW community (preaching is not charity work). So, if WTJWorg are firm and ready to defend their view on who and how can be part of their community, WHY is so problematic for JW people to recognize and accept how similar and same right have Russian community, nation? Answer is; have, get your own country, territory and Land Law that suits to your Way of living and Beliefs.

Sort of Patriot law, or anti-terror legislative as in other countries. Question is, what inspired, motivated Russian government to put JW on list. JW people "preaching"? JW Religious legislative and teachings can be in some aspects recognized as "extremism". And they are. So, why to be so surprised with measures of states? They protect their interests, as WT protects their interests too.

Possible. Do you know where they removed literature? In recycling paper boxes? Or in basements? Maybe police playing this game with "theocratic warfare" rules.

What reports, who confirms this claim? JW literature was always give reports and experience how members obeyed more god aka organizational WT instructions than governments. Secret meetings, secret preaching, secret transport of publications, hiding of all sorts. JW History not supports claim you presented. I am living Witness, because lived in part of the world where JW activity was cca 2/3 free, 1/3 not tolerated.

Violence of all sort is unacceptable, intolerable. But, we all participate in it in some way, to some extent. Think about it!! Now please, go to past and recall how God's chosen people, named Israel, dealt with people who didn't fit in their society. Now, go in today reality of another God's chosen people aka Jehovah's Witnesses. In their society the rules are based on similar or same "principles". Person from out side, aka "worldly people", or "questionable" member, don't fit in also. Yes, JW members do not put problematic member or ex-JW into prison, Siberia etc, but they also have "violent" methods on how to deal with such one. These methods are shunning, ignoring, conditioning. Yes, exposing another man, your neighbor, even family member, to such types of church punishments because he/she do not fit to your religious ideas and customs (doctrinal matters) is showing strong violence and cruelty, with same or similar effects as physical violence. If some JW people try to look in desired future time, according to his/her hope, then we have another level of possible violence that major group, aka all JW worshipers in New World, will show to all individuals who will not fit to JW picture of life in Paradise under JW Society Condition. And what that will be, how will it look like? Maybe we can found out something from history and present time of all this God's Worshipers!

If JW religion is ready to accept baptism of underage /minor children (5-17 year of age) maybe parents and elders will consider how marriage of such children isn't wrong idea too. :)))) If this children are able (read - mature) to make decision of dedication to God (for a life time), so what can be hard/difficult for them to dedicate life in marriage to other person? What a logic?! haha

quote fact 1) people think it’s so simple to run a big corporation, quote fact 2) people think ...., and the corporation isn’t governed by local, state and federal laws. If i understand enough what you said, i am coming to conclusion how God have very hard, complicate job in running WT big corporation (emphasize is on "big"). And also, how God must be careful how to run WT, because He's corporational decisions need to be in harmony with local, state and federal laws. So much about "spirit directed/guided organization". :))) In WTJWorg case, when they talking about "spirit" who directing WTJWorg organization, they mean - JHVH God is that one who directing -guiding organization. But, after reading comments by JW people, we see how they assure us of true reality: how, in fact, some people and local, state and federal laws directing this big organization. Thanks to all JW defenders who by this sort of defending WTJWorg reveals us how things works. And more important Revelation is, how some JW members participating here "have little or no FAITH at all, that God's Spirit Directing their Organization. Coming From their mouth, not from "apostate" or "worldly" mouth.

You made an excellent point ... WTJWorg is: just like any other religion. So, it seems how my bible verse answer is less important for you or any other person similar to you because, subconsciously, you accept second reality about JW religon, and that is .... just like any other religion and corporation. By this claim of your how WTJWorg basically Operate just like any other religion, JW idea how your organization is spirit-guided coming to next level conclusion. WTJWorg is under same "spirit guidance" just like any other religion. Next question about what is needed to think is: Does "spirit" guiding so called organization as legal entity, or real question is: Does "spirit" guiding person/persons in some social group? If second is real answer, and I believe it is, than problem is not society, organization or corporation itself, but leadership. By that "spirit-guided organization", in this case WTJWorg not existing and it is impossible to exist, because "spirit, spirits" of any sort is not interesting to have influence on imagine legal or illegal entity of any sort, but main task of any sort of "spirit, spirits" is to have influence, power OVER PERSON or GROUP of PERSONS who are or are not "organized". Because "organizing" is creative work of "spirit, spirits". Important thing that you negate, by laughing on bible verse in Mathew, is in fact that WTJWorg leadership, every single person in that group, and of course every JW member in the World, have to find The Truth about self and than The Truth about other members inside same group (family, friends, congregation etc. ... all long to a Top Hierarchy in Warwick) This sort of Truth is more important, essentially important than (in comparison to) "WT Organizational Doctrinal Truths" about this and that teachings, instructions, rules.

The Truth will set you free ....... that is The Answer on Why :)))

Interesting is how some Corporations giving to their employees a document/contract to sign, how they are obligated to not Reveal to Public this or that (Confidential) Information. So, can somebody answer on question: Did elders or any other WT employees (or "full time servant" of any of WT Order) signed such obligation?? Second, if WT JWorg and any other WT Corporation around the World claims how they have not CLERGY - LAITY structure, classes, according to Public Claims in WT publications, than there is no need to producing/printing or verbally spreading any kind/sort of "secret spiritual food" that could not be/should not be suitable or recommended to be read and seen by every single JW member. EXISTENCE OF WT SECRET PUBLICATIONS, BOOKS AND OTHER VERBAL, PAPER OR DIGITAL DOCUMENTS, THAT ARE DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY IN CONNECTION WITH MEMBERS, PROVES EXISTENCE OF CLERGY - LAITY CLASSES INSIDE JW RELIGION.