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Srecko Sostar

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    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from BillyTheKid46 in I'm worried about a 'brother' recently reinstated spending too much time with my grandchildren   
    You mean your work (as single, not as we)  can accomplish some good ?  :))
    I think how in this complexity of Trust Issue (on various fields, in various places and with various people) things are in so wide specter of colors with much/lot, lot of white and black too.  
    But, main thing is thus, if you not trust someone , or have lost your trust in someone ... wall is very big/high.
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to JW Insider in 1975 was in the past. Are we HONEST about it TODAY?   
    @BillyTheKid46, I thought you mostly just employed @Foreigner for vote spamming. I see you are doing some of the dirty work under your own name. And I also see you are nowhere near done yet, because you have added several more just since I copied the two images below.
    What's odd, however is that "both" of you have now voted down posts that contained nothing more than scriptures quoted from the NWT, and just above in this same topic, only 4 posts back, you (and Foreigner, of course) downvoted a post that does no more than introduce 3 Watchtower quotes about how long it took Adam to name the animals with surrounding context. Are you really that embarrassed by quotes from the Watchtower that you found it necessary to give two down votes to these Watchtower quotes????



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    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from BillyTheKid46 in I'm worried about a 'brother' recently reinstated spending too much time with my grandchildren   
    Don't believe everything you hear, read and see :)))) 
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    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from BillyTheKid46 in Isn't this an idol?   
    Question: Is @Foreigner real person or someones clone just for purpose of down voting? :)))
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    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from BillyTheKid46 in 1975 was in the past. Are we HONEST about it TODAY?   
    Not wish to offend Mr. G. Reformer. But one possible explanation why you G.R. has (and all other, as me too before few years) this feelings and attitude is, as i see, in problem (it is not problem in fact but tool by with what we as person can move in two possible direction)  called Cognitive Dissonance.
    All people that is/was facing with at least two opposite information are entering in this inner condition of brain, of intellect, of soul, of spirituality and found himself in very big trouble.     
    You can deny all information's, even facts and stick to your belief in order to "survive" and to stay where you are now (in JWorg) because it is "easier" for mind and heart. By staying in JWorg option you will not destroy your "imagination". Imagination created by WT and by you. On this mutual project you put much efforts, energy, love, faith, money, health, time etc. To leave it, it means a defeat. Defeat for you. Not for WT. They will survive as Company, because they ARE Company.
    But you, you can lose everything you built, for many years perhaps. That is very scary!
    But dreaded idea to abandon, left  this "safe WT port" makes you, and many other JW,  ready to continue to believe in WT deception.
    :((    
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    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from BillyTheKid46 in 1975 was in the past. Are we HONEST about it TODAY?   
    Maybe is  that what happened before, but also this what is happening now in the WT corporation, like this one;
    Dallas police officer was charged on Sunday with manslaughter in the fatal shooting of a neighbor, who authorities said was shot by the officer when she walked into an apartment she thought was her own and mistook the man living there for an intruder.
    The bizarre sequence of events unfolded after the police officer, Amber Guyger, 30, had just completed a shift late on Thursday and was still in uniform as she returned to an apartment she erroneously believed was hers, police said.
     
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    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from BillyTheKid46 in 1975 was in the past. Are we HONEST about it TODAY?   
    Some WT publications in articles that talk about the end of 6,000 years, and these are the well-known passages on the Internet, even today show that people of that time had great expectations about 1975. And today's reader, by reading same quotes, who did not live in that time and euphoria about a possible future, may come to the conclusion that JW expected change on global scale (nothing new in fact,  IBS and then JW expected that change more then one time, and still now talking "the end is very near")
    Is there a sentence in an article that speaks directly or indirectly about some details about 1975 may not be a crucial thing that have to give us an answer today to the question of truth and honesty of WT, and then of the JW member too.
    JW brothers and sisters in the time before 1975 had the expectation that change might occur. Did those who had hoped for the new world were a lot or a few, what motives they had and why, that is irrelevant !! WT has given material, spiritual food that has led to the warming up of interest for the possibility in coming of Armageddon and for the Kingdom that will rule over the Earth.
    This very fact how 1975 is mentioned not only by ex-JW, but also by JW members and was/is of public speaks and in WT magazines show how something was controversial and  disputable in connection/with 1975.
    I was baptized in 1977, started study "blue bomb" in 1975. And have memorized that 1975 was year that some JW with whom i had contacts (elders too)  expected how something will happen. 
    Today, I drove a car to the service and returned by bus to the city. One sister, her husband is elder, recognized me after many years and she knew I was no longer JW, started talking to me. She said how she is very happy for getting  new job (in school) after been unemployment for some time, and now can easier to repay the mortgage. In the end she told me that she is hoping  I will return to the assembly because "now is very close to the end".   What is interesting, she and her husband was single workers at Zagreb Betel. They get married and continue work in Betel. After some years must left because personal problems, She became suicidal. Her husband was one to whom i send many quotes from articles, before few years, in English language, about some issues and 1975 also. He never responded to my e-mails. 
    Well, JW people living from generation to generation with similar "now is very close to the end". 
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    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from BillyTheKid46 in Jehovah speeding up the work or increase. But increase or decrease ?   
    Oh,  you think, perhaps about; Shepherd - secret book for elders, or monthly service report, tablets and little vehicle full of publications on streets :))))) these for sure are not just Basic teachings/instructions but very unique to JW religion :)))   
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    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from BillyTheKid46 in Jehovah speeding up the work or increase. But increase or decrease ?   
    I found this: 9 Faith Groups That Reject the Trinity - https://www.learnreligions.com/faith-groups-that-reject-trinity-doctrine-700367
    I believe how same is with immortal soul. JW's are not only one who have this teachings. 
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    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from BillyTheKid46 in Let's Get It On - identify a cult!   
    Our friend @Space Merchant  
    The roots of the Unitarian movement lie mainly in the reformation of the 16th century. At that time people in many countries across Europe began to claim the right to read and interpret the bible for themselves, to have a direct relationship with God without the mediation of priest or church, and to set their own conscience against the claims of religious institutions. - source https://www.unitarian.org.uk/pages/history
     
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    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from BillyTheKid46 in Let's Get It On - identify a cult!   
    The things that you mentioned are more about the content of the doctrines. @Outta Here made specific list about methods of influence on people or on a group of people that is/can be used in variation of intensity and models. 
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    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from BillyTheKid46 in Let's Get It On - identify a cult!   
    Until now, as SM and i had conversations, he never said his clear position to this question. I don't know what stops him to tell us to Whom He Belong? :)) He is man of integrity and don't want to lie, but in the same time not want to tell the truth... perhaps he is silent on this because of that reason. 
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    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from BillyTheKid46 in Let's Get It On - identify a cult!   
    Does this statement is applicable to JW's too... because they claim how they are only true religion, and how God and Jesus supporting, guiding, empowering, leading, teaching (only) them, and how WT Society with all other Legal Entities that this Society established is His Earthly Organization and His Possession among all other Nations and Religions??
    Don't need to answer !! :))  Because you defending every religion doctrine you find fit to your understanding of Bible and your models of acceptable (i don't think that you are wrong in some of your understanding). And by that you support "interfaith" (something that is blasphemy to WTJWORG), because many religions have some "Common, General, Universal Truths". Otherwise, you would join WTJWORG and become a member of Only One True Religion. :)))
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    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from BillyTheKid46 in Let's Get It On - identify a cult!   
    In this description we see how this movement (at least in the beginning) is not cult - like in comparison to some WTJWORG quotes and in comparison to list on page 1 made by @Outta Here . 
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    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from BillyTheKid46 in Let's Get It On - identify a cult!   
    They spread rumors in print :)))
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    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from BillyTheKid46 in Let's Get It On - identify a cult!   
    Tell us the names of those JW's who misunderstood, and we shall try to check  that   :))))
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    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from BillyTheKid46 in 1975 was in the past. Are we HONEST about it TODAY?   
    I think how @Foreigner is robot... most of the time. He/she is in down vote crusade, again :)))) 
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    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from BillyTheKid46 in 1975 was in the past. Are we HONEST about it TODAY?   
    .... or can it be other people read those works and combined it with the Watchtower to have asked a witness about it, ....
    Do you suggest by this how non-JW people are so interested to know what JW's have to say about some subject on world events - in particular, about 1975 - ? I think that you can count on fingers of one hand, it is so small number of non-JW who would, who was talking about 1975 in religious manner, in that period of time when WT Society publication put effort to emphasized 1975 as very important year to humankind in connection to Bible prophesies about Last days, Armageddon, Salvation, Kingdom. 
    I think that 1975 has been of Important interest, in JW Unique Way of Bible Doctrines, only to JW members inside JW Organization. Because they have read about 1975 in own publications, of course, and not in Washington Post or in National Geographic, for example.
     But, because we been presented here how also other non-JW people were speaking about 1975, from their standpoints, it is possible to conclude how JW's has been trustful only to WT Society Spiritual Leaders and not to some other religious or secular sources. By that what we know how JW members are warned to be very careful about any other sources of information, it can be say how JW's in period before 1975 have been very obedient and listen only that what WT Society said about 1975. 
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    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from BillyTheKid46 in 1975 was in the past. Are we HONEST about it TODAY?   
    Here, after this two quotes you bring, i have to ask: Did rank and file JW members of those period have read also Non-WT publications about 1975? When you say: "I had several friends ask me...", well, you mean on your JW friends or Non-JW friends?  Also, Betel Bible scholars have custom to read "worldly" publications on various topics, and it would be no surprise how some of influence and ideas were copied or/and modified  and presented as "Bible Light" to JW's.
    Apostates and ex-witnesses (generally is the same group to WT Society), according to your presentation, are in fact JW members from 1975 period who became "apostates and ex-witnesses" because they are reading works of Non-JW authors of books???? :))))  
     
    Yes, WT dfd many who was confused and questioned religious doctrines and ideas about 1975. THAT IS considerably different from others. :))
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    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from BillyTheKid46 in 1975 was in the past. Are we HONEST about it TODAY?   
    This came to my stupid head while reading again about terminology: "6000 years of human creation".
    This is very close to wording - Birthday. Birth of Adam and Eve. In that "day" 4026 BCE Adam was "Born".
    Timeline
    “In the beginning . . .”
    4026 B.C.E. Adam’s creation - source: https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1102009479
    Well, it seems to me how WT Society was "involved" in sort of "celebration for Adam Birthday". Why to bring so much attention on Adam Birthday. This is pagan custom. Even to mention when your birthday is/was (only for administrative reasons) may be to understand as promoting idolatry :))))))) 
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    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from BillyTheKid46 in 1975 was in the past. Are we HONEST about it TODAY?   
    This are beautiful attributes of personality. Soooo .... it is not important do you (or anyone else) in JWorg or not ?
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    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from JW Insider in Attorneys filing lawsuits in King's County Supreme Court against eight members of the Governing Body of the Jehovah's Witnesses for alleged child sexual abuse claims.   
    Please, tell me what is difference when WT Society indirectly claim clergy status for Elders ?? 
    Automatically given by each State?? Some explanation would be interesting to hear. IF it is automatically given, why WT and JWorg automatically accepting that?? Why they not make Legal Complain and "Fight in Courts" for neutrality and autonomy in that issue? :))
    :))) Croatia is not communist country. Croatia is in NATO and in deep process of accepting all and every capitalistic idiocy.
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Witness in REVELATION'S LOCUSTS - WHO ARE THEY?   
    Someone commented on this when posted elsewhere:
    Yes...the faces of the locusts reveal much.
    Look closely at their faces and expression.  Do these creatures look like humble representatives, Ambassadors, of the mild tempered, lowly in heart, Lamb of God?  Do they look like they represent a noble king....or a Demonic Ruler?
    They do not look loving or approachable.
     

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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Witness in Every noticed how they mention Apostate lies but never give references to any specific lie and how it is a lie or what not?   
    How do you not see that what you have said, can apply to your own leaders?  Or do you not believe a lie is a lie, no matter whose lips it comes from?
    "This Generation" teaching:
    Who the Generation Applies to
    The Watchtower has swung between whether generation has a positive connotation that applies to the Anointed, or has a negative connotation applying to worldly contemporaries. It has also varied on whether the period was over an unspecified time frame or was a fixed period. In brief, the changes have been as follows:
    1897 -� A group of contemporary people
    "�Other uses of this Greek word (genea) prove that it is not used with the significance of race, but in reference to people living contemporaneously.... In other words, the signs mentioned will occur within a generation - epoch in the close of the age.�" � Studies in the Scriptures Vol 4 pp.602,603
    1927 �- The anointed
    �"The irresistible conclusion therefore is that Jesus referred to the new creation [the anointed] when he said: �This generation shall not pass until all these things be fulfilled.� This then would be a strong indication that some members of the new creation will be on the earth at the time of Armageddon.�" Watchtower 1927 Feb 15 p.62
    1951 -� A fixed period of time from 1914 applied to worldly people
    "The actual meaning of these words is, beyond question, that which takes a �generation� in the ordinary sense, as at Mark 8:12 and Acts 13:36, or for those who are living at the given period. So it was on �this generation� that the accumulated judgments were to fall. (Matt. 23:36) This therefore means that from 1914 a generation shall not pass till all is fulfilled, and amidst a great time of trouble." Watchtower 1951 Jul 1 p.404
    1995 -� A group of contemporary worldly people
    "Jesus was not departing from his established use of the term �this generation,� which he consistently applied to the contemporary masses with their �blind guides� who together made up the Jewish nation. ... Jesus refers principally to contemporary people of a certain historical period, with their identifying characteristics."� Watchtower 1995 Nov 1 pp.14,20
    2008 �- The anointed
    "As a class, these anointed ones make up the modern-day "generation" of contemporaries that will not pass away "until all these things occur." This suggests that some who are Christ's anointed brothers will still be alive on earth when the foretold great tribulation begins." Watchtower 2008 Feb 15 p.24
    2010 �- A fixed period from 1914 applied to the anointed
    "He evidently meant that the lives of the anointed who were on hand when the sign began to become evident in 1914 would overlap with the lives of other anointed ones who would see the start of the great tribulation." Watchtower 2010 April 15 p.10
    (JW Facts)
    And what about today????
    For such people are false apostles, deceitful workers, masquerading as apostles of Christ. 14 And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. 15 It is not surprising, then, if his servants also masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.  2 Cor 11:13-15
     
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