JOHN BUTLER

No at all, no copyright issues. The verse can easily be found on the main website of Jehovah's Witnesses' online Library, by simply clicking on the verse it gives you references as well as books and publications regarding the use of this verse and or passage. In a way, it is similar to the other Bible sites but not as complex. The Jehovah's Witnesses online library does not have commentary information, but they do quote people sometimes.
But yeah, it was not that hard to look up, granted he is using their website to pull his information, must've forgotten about the online library.
Yes. People, even here remain ignorant to the fact that Jehovah's Witnesses, at their core, even as Bible Students are Restorationist, hence Restorationist Christianity. Be it a single person or group, such ones are hardcore in striving to the teachings and practices of the early apostolic church.
The irony here is the early church never believed in hell being the lake of fire but mainstream Christians teach this heresy, for in reality hell is simply the grave, for David is spoken of of making his bed in hell, Jonah, he himself was in the depths of hell, and so forth. They ignore the fact God reacted emotionally to fire torment in the Old Testament it was spoken of several times.

You spoke of yourself to be a former member of the Jehovah's Witnesses, pretty much a free agent Christian, so to speak, for passwords and logins are meaninglessness, for the focus was being an actual member vs. being a former member, you said you use to be one of Jehovah's Witnesses and you explained yourself the first time I ever responded to you.
And oh, I can back it up, was trying to see if you'd actually take the time yo look it up yourself, as you did with the Biblehub response, of which didn't end too well for you. Here you go: https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/b/r1/lp-e/nwt/E/2013/42/14#s=11&study=discover&v=42:14:11 you can see under marginal references of listed publication and non-outlined cross references.
I can always back up my information, do not underestimate Mr. Butler because it will always come back to haunt you.
It's a reminder. Because all that is said is 100% true, just like the Ambassadors and the whole bit about supplication - all correct in regards to the Strong's.
Good attempt, but not close regarding this question. These types of questions are asked by those out there to whom you preach the gospel too. When they seek answers to questions like the one posed, you have to have a good answer with at least 1-2 bible verses and or a single passage to bring up. In this question an example regarding Jesus could have been made, but you missed that opportunity.
If you were an Evangelizing Missionary, you would not last long if this question came up.
But, I give you another shot at answering this question, hence Spiritual Wisdom.
So I'll ask you again:
How can you have free will if it is punishment for disobedience?
I said somewhere before I do not get sarcasm, therefore, I see the response as literal, for spying in faith community is very absurd. That being said, these sources are indeed trusted. I can guarantee you, 110% that these sources are legit and I have relied on them for sometime now, mainly when I post information about Israel, the Religion of Babylon, and other things.
Not quite, some take such a study as if it is a lifestyle, to be forever learning of the True God, his Son and the Kingdom. What God's message through the Bible conveys and so forth. One does not look at it from a human standpoint, of which this is the point I made regarding Tradition of Men and or Man's Understanding time and time again, and man's understanding does not have quite the relationship with pure biblical hermeneutics, i.e. 2 Corinthians 5:20 or when one brings up John 20:28 for instance, they can fully explain to you the truth of this verse vs. those who use man's understanding to assume Jesus is God, when in reality such ones avoid the final verse and Thomas' first mention and later mention in the New Testament.
God's Word isn't impossible, nor his his Laws burdensome, yet we have folks wanting to cherry pick, twist and even say to others that this or that of God's Laws shouldn't be followed, or the fact that Jesus entrusted the Church with commands of which today's folk deem it too harsh.
And yes I am spiritual, hence why I did you the honor of giving you quite the question.

Rest easy. Of which cannot be done today, can be done tomorrow.
This is because Restorationist as they are, they came to that realization very later on, mainly when you have verses like 1 Kings 8:2 and the Jewish Calendar,as well as the origins of the holiday itself. So after learning of such things,  the Jehovah's Witnesses, also known as Bible Students, do not want to offend God by imitating these celebrations which incorporate so much falsehood and are associated with the most horrible beliefs from the past.
The Bible does not specifically address smoking at all, however, it does provide some examples that offers an answer regarding this.
Now,  no one disputing that obvious fact that smoking is bad for your health. The Bible says that we should cleanse ourselves of every defilement regarding the flesh, to abstain from second-hand smoking and other harmful things.
They never claimed or say Armageddon would start in 1975, therefore, the claims are incorrect.
They still adhere to the 6,000 years of Creation.
As o what meaning has changed? The Strong's are still correct in accordance with the manuscripts and other sources.
Also can you provide more detailed information of the 3 times they changed this?
Well you have to provide more details, as for the other stuff that has been debunked and the truth came to light.
That being said, if you dislike and do not trust them, you are not doing yourself a favor by using their website.

Oh wouldn't it be nice if the GB could interpret scripture by being guided by God's Holy Spirit.
They could stop guessing then and stop getting it all wrong as they do. 
 

TTH you are burbling, have you been on the bottle ? 
To the extent  that i succeed in my goal ? What goal ?  All i would like is for the JW Org to be cleaned up so that if Jehovah wants to use it fully then He is able to. 
I have said previously that i don't agree with massive 'pay outs' but that victims should receive some compensation. 
Here in UK 'treatment' ( for things like depression / attempted suicide etc ) can be free, but in USA and other countries it may be expensive. Hence some compensation for having suffered at the hands of a pedophile is not too much to ask.
And the bit about 'they only help fellow witnesses' is completely lost on me. I have no idea what you are talking about. As far as I know I've never mentioned this point. 
I hope you feel better soon Tom. 
 

It's really my bed time, so I'll be brief and won't get any books out for reference but :-
In the late 1800's they knew Christmas was wrong but they carried on celebrating it until 1926 (?)
In the late 1800's or early 1900's they knew smoking was against Jehovah's will, misuse of their body which they had dedicated to God,  but smoking was allowed until 1970. 70 years of sin in that case. 
In the 1960's / early 1970's they taught that each 'Creative day' was 7,000 years long, and then it was presumed that  the 'rest day' of God would be the same. So it was taught that after 6,000 years of humans living on earth then Armageddon would come. They came up with a date of 1975, and at that time many witnesses sold their houses, businesses and gave up everything expecting Armageddon. But it never happened. My point on this one is not the 1975 date, as we know, that no one knows the day or the hour.   My point is that the Organisation taught that each 'Creative Day' was 7,000 years long. However now they say they don't know how long a Creative day was. 
then we have scriptures :-
How many times have they changed the meaning of the scripture  "This generation will not pass away....  "  At least three times.
How many times have they changed the meaning of the scripture Romans 13 v 1. 
Let every person* be in subjection to the superior authorities,a for there is no authority except by God;b the existing authorities stand placed in their relative positions by God.
 It really is my bedtime, I'm very tired so i hope most of this makes sense. 
But i hope these things prove my point and can give you some idea why i do not trust the GB and do not believe they are the faithful and discreet slave. 

Thank you Anna 

Yes John, our "friend" SM are Master in making fog and not to give direct, simple and honest, sincere respond or answer on some very important asking, question that would reveal His real position about JW.
Armageddon is topic here and we can not get SM simple and direct respond, despite the very significant title that Librarian put in question. 

Strecko, i see SM does not answer you question. Such a shame as he thinks he is so clever. 
SM forgets that this is a JW forum, which includes the W/T. 
He seems to know what the JW Org believe but does say if he thinks they are right or wrong, which is what you have asked. 
His only response is to return with a question. Perhaps SM thinks he is copying Jesus. Asking a question in response to a question.
But we know that the Bible Students / the  GB / JW org / Wt, have got it wrong on predictions of Armageddon. 
And in my opinion it will not be so horrific as the Watchtower magazines have shown it. i don't think Jehovah likes causing pain just for the sake of it. I think Jesus and the angels will just kill those not counted as worthy. It could be just take away the gift of life and the person would be dead. That happened, i think, with the husband and wife that lied about how much they sold a field for. Each of them just dropped dead....  i do wonder though if people will be shown, in their minds, what they could have had, and if that will be their pain, the knowing and not getting... 
But i think Armageddon is a long way off yet, even if the GB say it is just around the corner, or closer.
I think everyone has to realise how bad world conditions are, so it has to be really bad everywhere.   Although I know many people are suffering in many places. 
 
 
 

Many people are "stick" to scripture for many century till now ....and what human got from that?  
Many members in many religions "stick" to scripture ....and ?.... they are all, in fact, in disagree - HOW TO "STICK".
And as same result on issue, You offer Your view how should me, Witness, etc "stick" to scripture according to Your vision.  
Please SM,... call me as you wish, go and explain other people here, who and what i am according to your perception, but wake up yourself from the dream about self picture you build about own role in defending few or more religious systems that leading people in to confrontations and holding them in, keep them in opposing camps. 
By your "correcting" some people here, if some say something against Judaism, Islam or JW ...or perhaps some else church , you are in fact not defending one thing, guess what thing? You said as this: I, SM defend JEW "Truth", defend ISLAM "Truth", defend JW "Truth". 
Please remind me again WHAT TRUTH You in fact wish, want to defend??!!    :)))
 

Oh wouldn't it be nice if the GB could interpret scripture by being guided by God's Holy Spirit.
They could stop guessing then and stop getting it all wrong as they do. 
 

I asked you to supply the details of the WT you quoted and you haven't, enough said. 
When you say other people don't back up their words I will remember this. 
Knowledge you have indeed, but you lack Spiritual Wisdom SM. 
You go to independent sources do you. Ah of course you have your own personal spies inside the JW Org, well done. 
You don't offend me SM, i find you entertaining, like a clown. You help me to laugh and relax. 
Have a great day. 

I would imagine the JW Org have a lot less money than they did ten years ago.
In the UK at least people are generally poorer and i don't think many act like 'the widow' Jesus spoke about. I would think most give out of their 'surplus wealth', not give their all. Even if some do act as that widow did, it wouldn't amount to much in pure cash terms. 
And with all the legal goings on Earthwide I would think the Org are fast losing money. 
However they are selling Kingdom Halls by the dozen it seems and even larger properties of course, so money is coming in. 
As to how rich money wise they are, probs only the GB really know  

Ok, thanks for feeling I'm being genuine.
( Now for anyone else reading this please note, I am answering a comment. I am not ranting on about Child Abuse again as some say i do. I am giving me viewpoint as an answer to Anna. Even though i know i will get accused of 'playing the same old record'. )
Now. You wrote. "The demand for those documents by Zalkin was a farce and was eventually overturned" 
So you are admitting 'those document 'exist. 
Are we talking here about twenty years worth of Child Abuse Accusations Documents concerning the USA ? 
Are we talking about Child Abuse accusations that were never reported to the Police ? 
In my honest opinion i don't think the American government or FBI give a damn. The JW Org is not a threat to them so they don't care. 
JW Org is in America still because America  is probably the best country for 'freedom' of religion. Basically they can almost say and do what they want in the USA. (Compare to Russia for instance).
But that is all besides the point.  Jesus said 'if they ask for your outer garment give them you inner garment also'  'If you are conscripted to walk a mile, then walk two miles'. In other words always give more than you have to. 
IT SHOULD NOT BE ABOUT WORLDLY LAW. It should be about serving God properly.  Can you not understand that ?
Well obviously the GB don't understand it... 
Your message was about one isolated case. I am talking about Earthwide. 
Here is a link which gives some info about what happened here in the UK. But you probably won't believe it. 
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jan/23/jehovahs-witnesses-charity-drops-attempts-to-block-abuse-inquiry
The JW Org here in the UK spent over two years trying to block the Charity Commission's investigation. WHY?
And then it seems it never was a 'full' investigation. So what did the JW Org hold back, we will probably never know. 
Again your write :- 
Trust me, the GB are not too frightened to cooperate with police and official bodies.
So why oh why don't they fully cooperate with all the investigations Earthwide ? 
I could write much more and probs' give you a hundred links, but it would serve no use. You think that your GB are wonderful men and serving God properly.  I think the opposite. We must just agree to differ.
And yes i am genuine.  

Ok, thanks for feeling I'm being genuine.
( Now for anyone else reading this please note, I am answering a comment. I am not ranting on about Child Abuse again as some say i do. I am giving me viewpoint as an answer to Anna. Even though i know i will get accused of 'playing the same old record'. )
Now. You wrote. "The demand for those documents by Zalkin was a farce and was eventually overturned" 
So you are admitting 'those document 'exist. 
Are we talking here about twenty years worth of Child Abuse Accusations Documents concerning the USA ? 
Are we talking about Child Abuse accusations that were never reported to the Police ? 
In my honest opinion i don't think the American government or FBI give a damn. The JW Org is not a threat to them so they don't care. 
JW Org is in America still because America  is probably the best country for 'freedom' of religion. Basically they can almost say and do what they want in the USA. (Compare to Russia for instance).
But that is all besides the point.  Jesus said 'if they ask for your outer garment give them you inner garment also'  'If you are conscripted to walk a mile, then walk two miles'. In other words always give more than you have to. 
IT SHOULD NOT BE ABOUT WORLDLY LAW. It should be about serving God properly.  Can you not understand that ?
Well obviously the GB don't understand it... 
Your message was about one isolated case. I am talking about Earthwide. 
Here is a link which gives some info about what happened here in the UK. But you probably won't believe it. 
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jan/23/jehovahs-witnesses-charity-drops-attempts-to-block-abuse-inquiry
The JW Org here in the UK spent over two years trying to block the Charity Commission's investigation. WHY?
And then it seems it never was a 'full' investigation. So what did the JW Org hold back, we will probably never know. 
Again your write :- 
Trust me, the GB are not too frightened to cooperate with police and official bodies.
So why oh why don't they fully cooperate with all the investigations Earthwide ? 
I could write much more and probs' give you a hundred links, but it would serve no use. You think that your GB are wonderful men and serving God properly.  I think the opposite. We must just agree to differ.
And yes i am genuine.  

Yes i think he likes to look very intelligent and knowledgeable to everyone. However I'm not impressed. 

Ok, thanks for feeling I'm being genuine.
( Now for anyone else reading this please note, I am answering a comment. I am not ranting on about Child Abuse again as some say i do. I am giving me viewpoint as an answer to Anna. Even though i know i will get accused of 'playing the same old record'. )
Now. You wrote. "The demand for those documents by Zalkin was a farce and was eventually overturned" 
So you are admitting 'those document 'exist. 
Are we talking here about twenty years worth of Child Abuse Accusations Documents concerning the USA ? 
Are we talking about Child Abuse accusations that were never reported to the Police ? 
In my honest opinion i don't think the American government or FBI give a damn. The JW Org is not a threat to them so they don't care. 
JW Org is in America still because America  is probably the best country for 'freedom' of religion. Basically they can almost say and do what they want in the USA. (Compare to Russia for instance).
But that is all besides the point.  Jesus said 'if they ask for your outer garment give them you inner garment also'  'If you are conscripted to walk a mile, then walk two miles'. In other words always give more than you have to. 
IT SHOULD NOT BE ABOUT WORLDLY LAW. It should be about serving God properly.  Can you not understand that ?
Well obviously the GB don't understand it... 
Your message was about one isolated case. I am talking about Earthwide. 
Here is a link which gives some info about what happened here in the UK. But you probably won't believe it. 
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jan/23/jehovahs-witnesses-charity-drops-attempts-to-block-abuse-inquiry
The JW Org here in the UK spent over two years trying to block the Charity Commission's investigation. WHY?
And then it seems it never was a 'full' investigation. So what did the JW Org hold back, we will probably never know. 
Again your write :- 
Trust me, the GB are not too frightened to cooperate with police and official bodies.
So why oh why don't they fully cooperate with all the investigations Earthwide ? 
I could write much more and probs' give you a hundred links, but it would serve no use. You think that your GB are wonderful men and serving God properly.  I think the opposite. We must just agree to differ.
And yes i am genuine.  

Jehovah has clearly and unambiguously prohibited the use of blood for sustaining human life.  Many times, OT and NT.
Can I question this point please ?
Did Jesus ever forbid the use of blood to save a human life ?  Can you show me a scripture where JESUS forbids the use of blood to save a human life ? 
Let us look at a few points here.
I think it is true that the Jews / Nation of Israel practised something known as Pikuach Nefesh 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pikuach_nefesh
This meant life was precious and should be saved even if it meant going against the Law.
Add to this that Jesus gave an example which in my opinion goes much deeper than the actual words of the scripture.  Matthew 12 v 9 through 12.
9  After departing from that place, he went into their synagogue, 10  and look! there was a man with a withered* hand!k So they asked him, “Is it lawful to cure on the Sabbath?” so that they might accuse him.l11  He said to them: “If you have one sheep and that sheep falls into a pit on the Sabbath, is there a man among you who will not grab hold of it and lift it out?m12  How much more valuable is a man than a sheep! So it is lawful to do a fine thing on the Sabbath.”
Surely here Jesus is saying that it is right to go against 'the Law' and /or the principles of it, to save a life. 
And please tell me, from where do those 'blood bits' come from that the GB say the congregants can use ?  I honestly have no idea on that one. 
However if those 'blood bits' come from blood itself then isn't that actually using blood ?
My wife hates cherries in cakes, so she picks them out, but she still eats the cake. If a person uses bits out of blood then in my opinion they are still using blood. 
Over to you guys. 

I think TTH and I would get along fine .... I am extending an open invitation for him to come over to my house sometime ... I would be glad to have him for dinner.

I think you misunderstood. John Butler is saying that Jesus' true disciples were not pedophiles.

Dear friend, if you are so busy in helping people in need, how you find time to respond on "stupid" things and loosing your valuable time on me and similar like me.?!  

TTH: Your humor has been legendary for some time now .....
You have TRULY (Tom), become a legend in your own mind.

Copyright Law allows for the posting of copyrighted material for intellectual analysis and debate ..... also for lampooning or satire.
What the WTB&TS does not approve of is that in many cases intellectual analysis naturally leads to lampooning and satire.
 

Lett on Gravity, Electricity, wind .mp4 2 CHAIR pORNEA .mp4
It's sorta like having a crazy Grandmother, that you wish would stay in the basement.
You owe her your life ... you love her .... and you appreciate being alive because of her ... but you want to hide her when Company comes to visit and she does a striptease on the living room coffee table.
 
 
 
 

You are relatively new on this forum, if I'm correct. So my advice is don't take anything personally, whatsoever. It's ideas that are being dissected and discussed, not so much the character of the person. Although I agree, ideas can speak of the character of the person, I think a good discussion forum steers away from "ad hominem" ( @TrueTomHarley most admired expression) remarks and tries to keep to the issue at hand. That is the only way a subject can be properly explored. I think anyway.

:)))) i need to give you some smile and laugh about your methods of teaching. In almost all your respond, not only to me, but especially to me i will say... You using all past and present and future commentary on all kind of comments, conversation, reactions that i,  as your interlocutor made in mutual responses and even wider, that i made to someone else. 
It's pretty boring, if you have not noticed, and if that has not already been said to you by someone else. Please, try to focus your response on actual subject and not to disperse, spin  discussion from Adam to Melchizedek to Revelation book. :)))