Thinking

Well it depends on how I’m to die…put me up against a brick wall and firing squad..yeah..I could handle that..even a gullatine is doeable….but being skinned alive…..well…yeah I’m going to run…!!!

it means you had a very emotional dream that caused you to remember some very brave acts of men who died for what they believed in. The colour thing happens with lots of people now and then or even only once in their life time..some people dream in colour all the time…it doesn’t make them inspired. I too have admired many different soldiers for their bravery and their deaths…I have cried because of their heroic acts..no matter what nation they were from …I am in awe when I hear about the men who defended Darwin when the Japanese constantly attacked and Churchill refused to send a defence..and considered Darwin and Australia expendable…theses men fought with bare chests due to the heat…they fought knowing they were alone and abandoned..they did not expect a victory…I admire them…and I thank them..and I cry when I hear them talk of it….I sat with a highly decorated Vietnamese vet on The edge of his bed with my arm around his shoulders as he wept and told me of his missions in Nam….I quietly sang to him a verse of a song which I know they all sang over there…” We gotta get out of this place if it’s the last thing we ever do “…he looked at me with his tired worn out face and said…how did you know that….he has died now. None of that makes me political..what you feel does not make you political. It makes you humane and an admirer of bravery in the face of diversity and death….and you weep with them at their pain and loss…you admire their sheer bravery and sacrifice……sorry Pudgy nor does it make you inspired …but hang in There.

Perhaps you just don’t know Jehovah as well as you think…and why he allows certain things….and you certainly don’t understand the gravity of your own situation in judging things before the due time….. so you have found the perfect faith sereko….one with all doctrines and thoughts in perfect line with Jehovahs thoughts….people who never act dogmatically at times….people who have never had sexual abuse or mishandled such cases….perhaps you could name that faith…or group…so where do I go sreko…to the forums that banned me because I questioned THEIR NEW faiths and doctrines…and broke THEIR rules…those forums full of ex JWs….who now don’t even use the name of Jehovah anymore ….so as not to confuse or put people of….and who all claim now to be anointed with their great cause of saving poor brothers and sisters from the WT…and who all have different opinions of revelation and different thoughts on every scripture. To what faith do you belong to Sereko…who do you bow down to….tell me how you help spread the good news of Jehovahs great plan and the hope we all have that lies ahead…so tell me…did the Israelites get it all right….or perhaps the Jewish system got it all right…or maybye you beleive the Christian system got it all right…..none of them…and nobody will ever get it all right until after Jehovahs great day is finished. Your the one who has been seduced sereko…by the Judas like spirit amongst the ex JW community which Jehovah is allowing for a winnowing…so stop the blubbering and whining and pick up your torture stake…and act like a soldier of Christ…one who doesn’t crumble like a girl when one of his Generals barks an unfair order at him…

You know Ditmar the only person you are hurting with such cruel remarks is you…and for the sake of peace….I will let this go …

The dogmatic views did exist…I do notice no practising witness comments on these sorts of posts but I am going to…one which I am thinking of is Organ transplants..of which many died because if they took them they would be disfellowshipped…and I read some examples of one’s dying true to the faith et cetc…later it was found to be unscriptural and a conscience matter. in the meantime a number of witnesses died before this dreadful over reaching of the written word was admitted… This Ditmar is going beyond the written word and being dogmatic because they were disfellowshipped if they went ahead and had one….I often wonder if they were or even offered their disfellowhipment to be pardoned. I see that…and me admitting that does not count me as a witness that lacks loyalty…because it turned out to be a man’s law…..the same thing applies to the 1975…that came from the top…it was misleading..again going beyond the things written…It did not come from the rank and file. these things were errors….serious ones…and that’s why we need to be like beroeans and make sure of what is said is scriptural… That does not make me Disloyal to Jehovah or Jesus….nor the org…because the org changed those views in time and admitted their error…. I read a WT article warning some witnesses to be careful not to idolize Jehovahs visible organization….as the Israelites did in the wilderness and went into panic mode when Moses didn’t come back….some are doing that….some not…. Doesnt make me a bad witnesses (Ditmar) more like a wiser one….if I say so myself. But I will stand toe to toe with those who trash on the org….because they are lacking trust in Jehovah …there is a difference in admitting errors….and attacking because of those errors…..and you dont get that Sreko and nor do some others here…including Ditmar.

Yes I know some are vicious and I have stood up to one of them…toe to toe…and got myself banned from a forum because of it…..and he’s probably here scoffing away privately at two witnesses disagreeing….. And who in the hades is Tim and Mr Deaver and Susie’s Dad?????

Wow thanks for those down loads…are those books still attainable ..

All I know is generally they dont like us….as a people…..I cannot comment on their Christian conduct because I dont know them personally..as in over a long period of time… They find a lot of faults with us…but that could work both ways…I read an account of a JW going and attending their meetings but was disappointed as he saw the same fault with in them as he did with us. I do not recall the harsh critic you speak off…

I don’t even read most of sreckos posts so I’m not sure of what you are referring to…so sorry I cannot give you an answer

I don’t frequent their groups but have listened to their talks…and FB pages…...and in my line of work have been able to speak with a few personally …..asking them questions etc…I’m also grateful for the Chicago Bible students who provide Russell’s writings at no profit….all the ones I’ve met are nice people….mind you I have met one I considered very childish and foolish….and who refuses to use Jehovahs name…and really hate us..and was a ex JW… They all were a bit disappointing as as to being very loose as to celebrating pagan holidays etc…and in a bit of a time warp….but lovely people generally .

Jesus was never like that ……and the Christian life back then had its problems as well…..the Corinthians cong was not all rosy……no cong even now is all rosy……we were warned wolfs would enter in amongst us after Paul was gone…he was already dealing with superfine apostles at this time…with in the Christian congs of the time.. Facts Ditimar….deal with Facts….we are all works in progress ….

No the Catholic Church hierarchy..copied to a point the Christian’s hierarchy or order directed by Holy Spirit… .Just the same as The Babylon religions copied the Jewish heirachy and rituals directed by Holy Spirit to an uncanny degree …..Satan mimicking Jehovahs rituals to a tea….. as a people have we been too authoritarian…to dogmatic at times…yes… Just like Moses going mad at the people when he had no right… Too right we made administrative changes after Rutherford…we needed too….. ….

Should Peter have known to the depth he would fall In Renouncing Jesus…did he understand the extent of his persecution…no…he still failed in sinking into the stormy seas…but Jesus spoke kindly to him even tho lacking faith. The problem here Ditmar..is you actually cause more harm than good to the truth…you come out so self righteous ..and no matter how some one tries to be kindly to you…no matter how many try to make allowances for your over zealousness…you won’t listen. Thus you are not acting like Jesus in any form….but roaring out of piousness…..you would condemn the very men Jesus loved when they fled in terror and abandoned him….in your actions and words what you are showing is the very lack of the understanding of Christ….the very essence of his being and reason for being ….Jesus would not speak as you do…nor would he judge as you do. Im not saying some of your thoughts are wrong…for they are not all wrong…but the spirit in which you speak is wrong…..you are not helping anyone come into the truth or even want to…..you are doing more harm than good. you yourself are acting as a rouge element of Jehovahs people even being on this forum….yet that’s okay with you…..because you feel you have a right to….as we all do here….you honestly feel you are being used to defend this institution….thus in your mind defending Jehovah and Jesus…..thus you condemn yourself with a double standard …so why do you condemn us your fellow brothers and sisters. I know talking and trying to reason with you is actually whistling in the wind..and it’s no good even being kindly to you…but I hope that those that read you…or this realize we are not all like you…you are very proud Ditmar and you lash out at one’s who truly are your brothers and sisters…. Anyway these days are hard and we need to keep putting up with each other….and I know you mean well 🤗

I’ve seen pics in really old publications…back in Russell’s day…of a snake slithering up a tree and eating the fruit and turning into a wonderful looking man…..sort of made sense to me then and still does now ….

it’s both….he has a Plan….and he will execute with his wrath…that’s why Jesus will be back as a roaring lion… A good example of this is how he dealt with Sennacherib and Hezekiah Message Bible 2 Kings 19:25 ( I use the message Bible because it’s straight to the point ) Did it never occur to you that I’m behind all of this Long Long ago I DREW UP PLANS and now I’ve gone into ACTION Using you as a DOOMSDAY weapon reducing proud cities to piles of rubbish Leaving their people dispirited slumped shoulders limp souls useless as weeds fragile as grass unsubstantial as wind blown chaff. I know when you sit down and when you get up ( Sennacherib/ type of Satan )when you come and when you go. and yes I’ve marked everyone of of your tantrums against me It’s because of your temper tantrums against me It’s because of your temper your blasphemous foul temper That I’m putting my hook in your nose and my bit in your mouth and turning you back to where you come from. Jehovah has a Great Plan….at that appointed time ..at the right time….Jesus will ROAR….. Your questions Srecko can be found laid down in patterns of the Bible… but we will have to wait and see…we might get some surprises..only Jesus has the right to judge as to how to handle your question.

No Ditmar I don’t have fellowship with everyone here..I have blocked two who get their thoughts/ so called scriptural understandings directly from the demons..and I know that for a fact…having personal conversations with such over a decade ago…. you are and I understand why you converse with them….for the sake of others who may read their inaccuracies..I get that…and I think you and space Merchant have had some preety amazing conversations….with certain ones of which you both articulated far better than I would. You are not nobody..and I’m sorry if my words make you feel like that…but please…we all must recognize as witnesses we are not robots..we all have our own personalities…for many different reasons…some of us have been hurt badly but survived…some of us may not see things quiet the way you do…..for what ever reasons….the apostles didn’t always agree with each other…but had sharp bursts of anger…….all the best to you brother …

Well I dont know who is disfellowshipped on here and who isn’t…I might hazard a guess…but I dont have any concrete evidence …I have no proof of what it was supposed to be about…a lot of hearsay…and ..I’ve got to have more than that. I want FACTS…I want PROOF….have you got that? I dont even know who you are…I upvote you when you say things that I think right..i think you say a lot of things right……I don’t think I have ever downvoted any one…but I might have…but I doubt it..let me play the politican and say I dont recall….if I have.( that should cover my tracks for those who might go and search and find me guilty of it ) As far as I know ..you could be a fake witness….but I do apologize for mentioning your fruit-ages…that was out of line …so I’m sorry for that. Personally I cannot work JWI out..nor you…and hey..I think we are all a bit dodgy for even being on line…me too..😏

I’m hoping the fact that Jehovah interceded and did t let the Tower of Babel be finished also indicates he will do likewise with the UN….wait and see job i guess

Okay….nicely …..🙃..your both wrong and right…off course we beleive in the basic doctrines of what Russell understood from the scriptures and corrected…. …Gods kingdom plan… no trinity.. dead do not go to heaven.. the grave is hell… Jesus king of the Kingdom which he will hand back to his father when perfection has been achieved.. Having no part of the world. ..the 144,000 anointed are the first resurrection and will rule as kings alongside Jesus… there will be a great crowd who survive the tribulation. the soul is man in the flesh… we are awaiting Judgement day of a thousand years and the great resurrection over which Jesus will rule and organise…. How to pray… Those who do Not take the mark of the beast will be saved…faith in Jesus and baptism.. the preaching work must be done before the end Satan is a fallen angel with followers who rules the world at this time. As far as us changing thoughts..off course we have….Russell distributed food at the proper time..and it seems only at sufficient amounts that the world could consume at that time…he was fed gradually just as the apostles were fed. yes you are right about the new light and old light stuff…I’m not going to defend that…how can I !!, We have had good changes…and bad changes..some which then got changed back to what Russell first thought…and other changes that had to be changed because Russell had it wrong… We have had men go beyond the written word and put in their own interpretations….types and anti types..etc..and they have had to be acknowledged….we had to acknowledge and correct policies…we still dont have everything right and nor will we get it all right….and we will all hold a accounting before Jehovah… You know ….if I had been Uriah’s mother …I would have absolutely hated and despised with the greatest of loathing King David……I would have wanted ..no…I would have demanded him stoned to death as The Law stated….in my pain and grief…….now where do you think my righteous anger and my right-full demanding of justice would have left Jehovah’s great plan…..and that is what you are missing …..you are lacking the understanding of what Jehovah will put up with to accomplish his plan….and also his depth of mercy… So you and others come on forums and tear down..at times rightfully so…at times blatantly wrong…you really dont understand what you are doing because you see thru your eyes…mere human eyes…..thus incapable as to trying to see it thru Jehovah’s eyes of understanding …you cannot even work it out by the patterns laid out in the scriptures of how Jehovah’s people act and how he treats them. Five or six years ago a brother from bethel stated at an assembly that they were aware there were a lot of things wrong with the organization and they were trying to fix them but he didnt think they would be able to correct everything before the end… They Know Sereko..and Jehovah knows….now it’s time to trust in Jehovah…or do you think Jehovah cannot control his people…whom ever they are?

Can you explain this?…it’s a messy statement…and not really true…rather misleading actually…from what I’ve read they couldn’t go along with some of the changes Rutherford brought In…the one I’m thinking about is how he changed the understanding of the ARK representing Jesus ransom…to the earthly organization…and who can blame them for that…because that one thing led to a fair bit of dogmatism..and heavy handiness ….and was so totally wrong…..so I do get why they with drew away from what Rutherford was pushing….but I dont know that we have ever said we do not beleive what Bible students once believed…?? I read an account of one JW who was not happy with what was happening with in the org so he went to the Bible students..a few different ones..but said he found the same problems within them as he had found with us… I like all Bible students…the ones I’ve talked with are kind and generous people doing the best they can….they seem a bit loose on pagan holidays…sometimes I think…wrongly or rightly they are caught in a time warp of Russell’s full teachings…not realizing he was just coming out of BTG and tho used by Jehovah very greatly..along with his associates of that time period ..he and they never had the time and the time was not right for a fuller understanding of certain things…but he had a lot right..I admire him greatly…and I’m not saying we have everything right either…because we don’t!

Yeah that sounds more like it…my old memory constantly needs prodding and readjustment..thanks for that

No one is going to ridicule you..and you are big enough to to apologise…an admiral quality…..I vaguely remember the audience you speak of saying loudly NO…not sure if I read it or seen it on the net…but I think your wording may be wrong….wasn’t he correcting us about how we used to say we were a Jehovah Witness …???? ..we’ll anyway that’s how I remember it….

What a joke…listen…I’ve butted heads with JWI a few times but ..I have never seen him express anger…in Fact i would say as much as I’ve disagreed with him at times..his fruitages are finer than mine or yours …

Agreed!… Christ’s followers were confused a lot of the times…first when they went out on their first preaching missionary they taught and thought that Gods Kingdom had already come and Jesus was there to rule now….( wow that was misleading …and the thing was Jesus knew that but let them go on with it anyway)…..seems they got confused many times over Jesus and his actions…how on earth could he ever talk to the Samaritan woman..that was a big one…confusion over circumcising..confused over drinking Jesus blood and eating his flesh…and what of Peter renouncing Jesus three times..out of fear…all of them were confused and frightened on the night of Jesus and his betrayal….they scattered frightened and left him alone ..they never had a clue as to what was going on..yet he told them…they should have… And they fought amongst themselves and yelled at each other…brothers and sister of the anointed at that(…even after Jesus death and their anointing…) Yet they had the scriptures…they should have known …should have discerned what would happen to the coming Messiah….they lived with him..knew him In The flesh….he TOLD THEM….yet they abandoned him in his hour of need…confused …they didn’t understand anything!!! Yet who of us does not want to be like them…..Dmitar….why do you think Gods people will be any different in the time of the end …or at any time in the past…. Those men were constantly learning…failing ..enduring…growing in years and age as well as understandings…and probably the wisest they ever were was just before they died. But HE chose the foolish of the world, remembering they are but from dust and he keeps putting up with the weak earthly vessels…that are all cracked and flawed….so why do you expect such a high standard when HE knows it’s not possible . 1Cor 1:27 but God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong.