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Lol….thinking never said any of that…I just copy and pasted from the satanic Bible….which I found whilst doing my own research on birthdays… All that comes from satanist…..worshippers of the devil …from their own Bible……and no..I don’t own one….must say I was surprised myself..as I thought Halloween was their number one holiday….not so it seems….

Wow…that was interesting and very humble of him to do that…one won’t find any reliable or professional facts on the vax on the net or utube….one has to go on the others and now there seems many….this thing has the capability of even causing fractions among the brothers and sisters. In Australia Red Cross will not accept any blood donations from vaccinated people and certain insurance companies will not pay out on any illnesses or death by vaccinations as they signed the consent form to an experimental vax and accepted all consequences of such.

The man of lawlessness put himself in the temple of God..he places himself in a place he has no authority to be….he over takes Gods temple and sits as a ruler .he invades that temple…and throne….just as he did in Eden….for now he is prince of the air…and ruler of the world…...and claims to be God…it is Christendom and all other false faiths rolled into one…..of which he and his demon gods own and run……like it or not…the great lie Jehovah aAllowed to go forth was that Jesus and God are one and the same…and yes…everyone got to believe it….this 1914 is piffle compared to the lie of Jesus….its nothing…it’s a drip….and probably if proved wrong allowed by Jehovah….. think about it….an Angel tho high ranking…yet still without immortality faced death mocking and torture for us ….we minimize his pain and sacrifice by saying he had the strength of God because he was God….yet he was not much higher than mere man…we take away his honour and respect by that and that is exactly what satan wants..he nullified Jesus fear of failure and risk of death,,…and thus his victory of him (Satan) Jehovah allowed this lie..or,powerful delusion to go ahead ….. to go forth until they believed it as a testing to see who really appreciated the truth .(.the man of lawlessness did this ..Satan and his earthly organizations )who would recognize that Jesus was indeed Gods First born son and sacrificed himself for us …can you imagine the faith he had to have in his father….to willingly be dead for parts of three days….total faith he would be resurrected!!!!!! Do you honestly think Satan wanted you to believe he did this…because it would prove that he himself…satan…..the devil..could have stayed faithful as well….but he cannot have that so he…the man of lawlessness….led this delusion with Jehovah’s blessing or permission…it’s a testing and sifting of his true people Do you understand the depth displayed for our benefit of Jehovah’s love for mankind to do this ……or do you believe the lie it wasn’t so hard because God the Almighty who had immortality would never be in fear of dying….but Jesus put himself in a vulnerable dangerous position….not to exist for the best part of three days with no influence of his life or mankind. Jeus had to exercise faith in his father…and his father had to have faith in him to succeed…..Satan does not want you to understand this. so he has used misguided men to dress up a actual lie about him and cast doubts elsewhere…. 1914 as the great lie….pffff…it’s a distortion of Jehovah’s and Jesus huge massive sacrifice….and their VICTORY… NOW HES AT IT AGAIN SAYING 1914 is the big lie….it isn’t ……the error that went forth to deceive so many has already happened ….it’s past..and we are further along than many realize…. Those scriptures you put up..can be read either way….but you and ewatchman are promoting a lie. personally I don’t care for dates ….so it doesn’t effect me…but many brothers and sisters are being stumbled by satans cunning wiles….. When this come to its climax….Jehovah will,laugh aloud as he did with Sennacherib and say…….YOU FOOL DID YOU NOT KNOW I HAD THIS ALL PLANNED RIGHT from THE START ( message Bible. By the way there have always been ones who warned of the end well before it was to come… Many hundreds of years ago…..we are not the only guilty ones of it….

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There is an affinity of such commemoration among the wicked as recorded in The Satanic Bible (Anton LaVey, (Air) Book of Lucifer – The Enlightenment, Avon Books, 1969, Ch XI, Religious Holidays, p. 96) regarding Birthdays: "The highest of all holidays in the Satanic religion is the date of one’s own birthday. This is in direct contradiction to the holy of holy days of other religions, which deify a particular god who has been created in an anthropomorphic form of their own image, thereby showing that the ego is not really buried. The Satanist feels: ‘Why not really be honest and if you are going to create a god in your image, why not create that god as yourself." Every man is a god if he chooses to recognize himself as one. So, the Satanist celebrates his own birthday as the most important holiday of the year. After all, aren’t you happier about the fact that you were born than you are about the birth of someone you have never even met? Or for that matter, aside from religious holidays, why pay higher tribute to the birthday of a president or to a date in history than we do to the day we were brought into this greatest of all worlds? Despite the fact that some of us may not have been wanted, or at least were not particularly planned, we’re glad, even if no one else is, that we’re here! You should give yourself a pat on the back, buy yourself whatever you want, treat yourself like the king (or god) that you are, and generally celebrate your birthday with as much pomp and ceremony as possible." http://www.mashiyach.com/Misc/birthdays.htm It is interesting that birthdays are considered the most important holiday to these Satan worshipers (the founding of their “church”, called Walpurgisnacht, and Halloween are the other ones of importance to them). Of course, early Christians did not celebrate birthdays nor did the early Jews. Nor have real Christians ever celebrated Halloween. http://www.cogwriter.com/news/doctrine/the-satanic-bible-and-birthdays/ Origen of Alexandria, writing over two centuries after the death of Jesus follows this same line when he recorded a diatribe against the memories of birthdays, indicating that at the time of his writing, a day to remember the birth of Jesus was not part of the church calendar. In his Homilies on Leviticus, speaking on the aspect of birth, Origen states: . . . not one from all the saints is found to have celebrated a festive day or a great feast on the day of his birth. No one is found to have had joy on the day of the birth of his son or daughter. Only sinners rejoice over this kind of birthday. For indeed we find in the Old Testament Pharaoh, king of Egypt, celebrating the day of his birth with a festival, and in the New Testament, Herod. However both of them stained the festival of his birth by shedding human blood. . . . But the saints not only do not celebrate a festival on their birth days, but, filled with the Holy Spirit, they curse that day (, after the example of Job, Jeremiah and David). (Barkley, Homilies on Leviticus: 1–16 / Origen, 156.) http://firstfollowers.vision.org/public/blog/170001?archive=Weekly+.2007-50 & http://snipurl.com/8zkwz [books_google_ca] What is the origin of birthday celebrations? Birthday celebrations are actually rooted in paganism. Encyclopedia Americana (1991) states: "The ancient world of Egypt, Greece, Rome, and Persia celebrated the birthdays of gods, kings, and nobles." Authors Ralph and Adelin Linton reveal the underlying reason for this. In their book The Lore of Birthdays, they write: "Mesopotamia and Egypt, the cradles of civilization, were also the first lands in which men remembered and honoured their birthdays. The keeping of birthday records was important in ancient times principally because a birth date was essential for the casting of a horoscope." So, there is a direct connection between the Pagan practice of birthday celebrations and astrology (horoscopes and fortune telling). Not surprisingly then, the ancient Jews did not celebrate birthdays, regarding them as Pagan. Also, World Book Encyclopedia (3:416) states: "The early Christians did not celebrate His [Christ's] birth because they considered the celebration of anyone's birth to be a pagan custom." http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_origin_of_birthday_celebrations Down to the fourth century Christianity rejected the birthday celebration as a pagan custom. http://www.abcog.org/birthday.htm To satiate this point, notice also the record of the first century historian Josephus: The Jews in Christ’s day knew God’s attitude toward birthday celebrations, “Nay, indeed, the law does not permit us to make festivals at the births of our children” (Josephus, Against Apion, II:26). http://ow.ly/eVu75 History of celebration of birthdays in the West It is thought that the large-scale celebration of birthdays in Europe began with the cult of Mithras, which originated in Persia but was spread by soldiers throughout the Roman Empire. Before this, such celebrations were not common; and, hence, practices from other contexts such as the Saturnalia were adapted for birthdays. (Wikipedia. Birthdays. July 12, 2007). Christmas is also relevant because December 25th was the day of celebration of the birthday of the sun-god Mithra. ... World Book Encyclopedia notes, Christmas... In 354 A.D., Bishop Liberius of Rome ordered the people to celebrate on December 25. He probably chose this date because the people of Rome already observed it as the Feast of Saturn, celebrating the birthday of the sun (Sechrist, Christmas, Vol. 3, 1966, pp. 408-417). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birthday Long ago, the average person never paid any attention whatsoever to the anniversary of their birth. The initial pattern that developed concerned the celebrating of the birthday of their deity, once each year, at the winter solstice. This is the origin of Christmas, since the winter solstice was considered the "re-birth" or "birthday" of the solar deity (Natalis Sol Invictus, or the Nativity of Sol, the unconquerable). This alone marks the behavior as originating from the rebellion against YaHUaH, Who is the one and only Elohim of Heaven and Earth. Remember that YaHUaH commanded that we not learn the ways of the heathen (Dt. 12). Later, people began to celebrate the annual birth of their king at the same time as their deity, aligning their ruler with the same honors given to their deity. In their minds, their ruler became an anthropomorphic version of their deity. In the east, average people slowly began to celebrate their personal "birth day" once each year on what they believed to be "new year's day." Eventually, people developed the custom of observing their personal birth day on the annual day they were actually born. http://www.fossilizedcustoms.com/birthday.html Christmas was not among the earliest festivals of the Church. Irenaeus and Tertullian omit it from their lists of feasts; Origen, glancing perhaps at the discreditable imperial Natalitia, asserts (in Lev. Hom. viii in Migne, P.G., XII, 495) that in the Scriptures sinners alone, not saints, celebrate their birthday; Arnobius (VII, 32 in P.L., V, 1264) can still ridicule the "birthdays" of the gods. http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/03724b.htm In their essay titled "Birthdays, Jewishly," Lisa Farber Miller and Sandra Widener point out that the Encyclopedia Judaica is very blunt on this topic: "The celebration of birthdays is unknown in traditional Jewish ritual." ... Originally, even as more and more Gentiles began to profess Christ (so much so that they outnumbered those of Jewish heritage that did), the early Gentile leaders also did not endorse the celebration of birthdays. No early church writer endorsed the observance of birthdays by Christians, nor are they ever listed in the early observances of the Christian church. Therefore, the celebration of birthdays, was clearly not part of "the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints" (Jude 3). No early religious/church writing from the second century that I have seen (and I have read most that are available) seems to endorse (or even suggest) the celebration of birthdays by any who professed Christ. Although he was not part of the Church of God, the writings of the early third century Catholic theologian Origen of Alexandria show that, even that late, Orthodox Catholics were against the celebration of birthdays. The Catholic Encyclopedia states: Origen, glancing perhaps at the discreditable imperial Natalitia, asserts (in Lev. Hom. viii in Migne, P.G., XII, 495) that in the Scriptures sinners alone, not saints, celebrate their birthday (M.C. Christmas, 1908). http://www.cogwriter.com/birthdays.htm Christmas is coming! Quite so: but what is "Christmas?" Does not the very term itself denote it's source - "Christ-mass." Thus it is of Roman origin, brought over from paganism. But, says someone, Christmas is the time when we commemorate the Savior's birth. It is? And WHO authorized such commemoration? Certainly God did not. The Redeemer bade His disciples "remember" Him in His death, but there is not a word in scripture, from Genesis to Revelation, which tells us to celebrate His birth. Moreover, who knows when, in what month, He was born? The Bible is silent thereon. It is without reason that the only "birthday" commemorations mentioned in God's Word are Pharaoh's (Gen. 40:20) and Herod's (Matt. 14:6)? Is this recorded "for our learning?" If so, have we prayerfully taken it to heart? - A.W. Pink, Xmas (Christ-mass)

Fair enough …

When faced with stupidity of the highest degree…..JESUS himself would not even look at Herod never alone bother to reply to his treacherous sly taunts and questions… Dont get caught up with these ones brother….walk away from them as Jesus did……

I’m not sure if this 120yrs time line is correct or not….I think Aurana brought it up some time ago….it has given me pause to reflect. one thing I do know is the ridiculers always come from Gods own people….time and time again that is a pattern laid down…. I cannot see how his words are not reflected in Matthew…especially the last half of Matthew….either way it won’t personally affect me….….

Off course you do ..

That was not about believers but amongst believers amongst unbelievers…read the context . New International VersionIn the first place, I hear that when you come together as a church, there are divisions among you, and to some extent I believe it. New Living TranslationFirst, I hear that there are divisions among you when you meet as a church, and to some extent I believe it. English Standard VersionFor, in the first place, when you come together as a church, I hear that there are divisions among you. And I believe it in part, Berean Study BibleFirst of all, I hear that when you come together as a church, there are divisions among you, and in part I believe it. Berean Literal BibleFor first indeed, of you coming together in an assembly, I hear there to be divisions among you, and in part I believe it. King James BibleFor first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it. New King James VersionFor first of all, when you come together as a church, I hear that there are divisions among you, and in part I believe it. New American Standard BibleFor, in the first place, when you come together as a church, I hear that divisions exist among you; and in part I believe it. NASB 1995For, in the first place, when you come together as a church, I hear that divisions exist among you; and in part I believe it. NASB 1977 For, in the first place, when you come together as a church, I hear that divisions exist among you; and in part, I believe it. Amplified BibleFor, in the first place, when you meet together in church, I hear that there are divisions among you; and in part I believe it, Christian Standard BibleFor to begin with, I hear that when you come together as a church there are divisions among you, and in part I believe it. Holman Christian Standard BibleFor to begin with, I hear that when you come together as a church there are divisions among you, and in part I believe it. American Standard VersionFor first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that divisions exist among you; and I partly believe it. Aramaic Bible in Plain EnglishFor whenever you gather with the assembly, I have heard that there is division among you, and certain things I believe. Contemporary English VersionI am told you can't get along with each other when you worship, and I am sure that some of what I have heard is true. Douay-Rheims BibleFor first of all I hear that when you come together in the church, there are schisms among you; and in part I believe it.

Romans 16:17 New International VersionI urge you, brothers and sisters, to watch out for those who cause divisions and put obstacles in your way that are contrary to the teaching you have learned. Keep away from them. New Living TranslationAnd now I make one more appeal, my dear brothers and sisters. Watch out for people who cause divisions and upset people’s faith by teaching things contrary to what you have been taught. Stay away from them. English Standard VersionI appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught; avoid them. Berean Study BibleNow I urge you, brothers, to watch out for those who create divisions and obstacles that are contrary to the teaching you have learned. Turn away from them.

Nothing….it’s incredible what technology the governments have that are secret…and that’s with out bringing in the demons powers .. I think we all underestimate the cunning and unbelievable power beyond our poor human brains capabilities…

That comment about a fellow brother shows you have a real problem with ego….and a great need to be right……can you prove he did that…..or could that come under a false accusation against a fellow brother……Personally I don’t think anyone knows and you need to stop chasing this and be a little bit humble and stop shoving your thoughts down everyone’s throats…Whoever did it could see it was causing disruptions and unnecessarily contentions and debating proving fruitless……and none of it promoting peace amongst brothers….you do well to perhaps give some credit to whomever did it and stop your self promotion of your belief. I couldn’t care less about dates…..so give it a rest …no honest hearted true brother would do what you are doing to prove your personal point…you are relentless in your crusade… you are one big red flag to me!!!! you are like a a broken record and I for one no longer even read your ramblings and copy and pastes….

Keep looking ..your bound to find it eventually …

I KNOW I will be ..

When one understands WHY things are the way they are…one then gets a certain peace ..that others who are spiritually naked cannot…then we can go with ease and chew on the bone because we know these things Must take place. Im glad I know about it….at times I wish I didn’t….but then I would be sick with worry and in fear because of not knowing the way out… This tribulation is less painful because we understand this….but hey…I’ll beat you to the fridge door….you can have the bone…I’ll have the drink 🍺

You can live in the most beautiful of places that are still a hell hole because of the people that live there…the hell hole was what he would have made that place into a emotional hell hole…full of fear and anxiety. Jehovah made eden exquisite for Adam and Eve…they were then to go out and make the rest of the world such as he had given them…..they had to subdue it Gen 1:28….be fruitful and fill the earth and subdue it…..so there was work involved to make it such a paradise as Jehovah had given them,,, we know he planted a special garden TOWARD THE EAST…that’s where he put the man whom he had formed Gen 2:8. It is interesting about the east bit…Gen 3:23 says he was expelled from that garden…where all the blessings were…and into the land of sweat and hardwork and thistles…..they no longer had the blessings of favored rain and growth of plants etc….they were expelled out of the Eastern part of Eden…..they had rejected that gift from Jehovah. we know they were expelled to a harsher land because of what Gen 3:17 says and to Adam he said because you listened to your wife’s voice and ate from the tree concerning which I gave you this command YOU MUST NOT EAT FROM IT….CURSED is the ground on your account in Pain you will eat from its produce all the days of your life . It will grow thistles for you and you may eat the vegetation of the field and In The sweat of your face you will eat bread until you return to the ground ….. so yes Jehovah did make it lovely but even before they were put out of eden their job was to subdue the earth….great work to do because Jehovah’s blessings were with them…rain..good fruit trees and abundance of sweet water etc…but they lost his help….when exiled into a land without his blessings…. So Adam and eve along with Cain now lived in a harsher place….so up comes pudges question …Gen 4 :11..because Abels blood cried out from the earth….he banished Cain from that ground ( and now you are cursed in BANISHMENT FROM THE GROUND that has opened its mouth to receive your brothers blood from your hand, The scriptures go on to say he had to leave the land he grew up in..and wander…and a FUGITIVE IN THE EARTH. FUGITIVE…CAMBRIDGE ENGLISH DICTIONARY A person who is running away or hiding from the police or a dangerous situation…. This is why he was fearful…and worried about his future …..when it would become known by others…so he went to the land of Exile to the east of eden…Cain lived for over 700 years…lots of time to produce….some of those may have felt vindicated if they had killed him….imagining they would get some sort of blessing from Jehovah for it….who really knows.. King David’s son aspired to kill him and take over control of the kingship…why not one of cains descendants try the same thing and make out it was because of what he did to Abel…justifying his action?….who really knows….but there is no evidence in the Bible that others lived in that land he was exiled to…but if you find any I’d be interested.. But this story has a lot more meaning than any of us really understand…but then we get into types and anti types…. where ever Cain went…his personality and those of his descendants would have made that place into a hell hole to live….I certainly would not want them as my neighbors….

Sorry don’t know how that happened ???..I cannot get it bigger than this

no need to apologize as we really don’t know…that’s just my understanding of it at this point….when we eventually find out the truth of the matter we may all be gob smacked with the real facts … that question I had pondered on myself sometime ago…..so I’m open to having to change my mind…I’ve just never read an acceptable alternative….

Unfortunately..I get that …

Not necessarily….the elements ha e been explained as the structural organizations wether they be governmental or health or financial….sometimes I wonder if the internet is exposing their darkness now ….so much we do t really know…

Huge respect to you….!!!!! What you did was very brave…..I agree with all that you said…thank goodness your wife has you …

1:..I’m guessing that watching his father and mother live a long life he knew his reputation would follow him where ever he went and I’m sure..many ( yet to be born ) and who knows how many other brothers and sisters there were…..would have not felt thankful for bringing them into a cursed situation….so he was thinking about his future… 2) must have been even worse than where his parents were banished to???..I mean if he went there it would end up as the hell hole of the world. 3) all the way to OZ…hey anything outside of eden was exile….his exile must have been really bad….but considering today…maybye it was still better than a lot of the existing world as we know it…we will have to ask when all this is over… 4) who said they never had tools….who would have loved to have given them forbidden knowledge to wreck ruination and to start up HIS world wide society…and what was the definition of a city back then to what it is now….my town is called a city…which consists of just over ten thousand….LA is a city which I think consists of all of Australia’s population or pretty close….so what type of city did they build in their loooong life time…. 5..nobody inhabited eden….they were All in exile of to different degrees it seems….Cain killing his brother shows a incredible flaw in the mans personality…..what chance for any off spring not to have this same flaw( or any others of that time period ) especially with the demons walking around like a lion ready to devour them all…😈…hellbent on directing them…☠️.it always amazes me how quickly such serious sins prevailed……poor Abel….poor mankind… 6..not sure I’d want to marry my brother even if he was perfect 🤮…but I would imagine a lot of years between them may have been the case…?…..?

I’m expecting to lose it all.....and it will be a final testing of sorts for many of us.....somehow I’m thinking..rightly or wrongly? ...when it does all go...the visible structures of Jehovah’s witnesses...it has to some how represent...the scattering of the apostles..when Jesus was taken into custody and trial...and killed... The most favored and trusted ..fled and were confused after his death...they actually went back to work fishing...not knowing what to do. They did not cope with out his visible presence..even tho he had explained it to them. How will we cope without a visible bricks and mortar..or if zoom also goes down? Even Jesus himself cried out ...My God My God why have you forsaken me!!...he FELT it had gone on too long........in moments of anguish..will we as a people feel we have been tricked...will our faith and trust be tested when it all goes...and if he allows it all to go? I am thinking that it also corresponds with the Israelites on leaving Egypt in organized safe military style escape. When they were bought up against the sea..against the mountains...and hearing the chariots and horses of Egypt bearing down on them...in fear..and lack of trust In Jehovah..they felt they had been deceived...and cried out to Moses and ready to stone him for tricking them...will he allow the same situation come upon his modern day people in the last days? Why not?....if he allowed his own son for a very brief time to think he had been a abandoned...why not us his motley crew of people. We cannot look back and yearn for the days of KHs and skin on skin stuff....we cannot yearn for the leeks and onions and pots of meat... We have been trained as a people..and every time one of us here took a stand against a pagan holiday such as Xmas or Valentine’s Day or whatever.....which blatantly is a form of idol worship to a pretend demon God.......we were in training for what is coming...he was getting us ready to take a even stronger stand that seems to be about to happen. We must not be like Hezekiah who proudly showed of all his riches of gold etc...who put his faith in such...only to be punished by losing the lot... Even the good Kings had wrong attitudes about such things... and he learned from that. Havings said this I ask myself would I have been one that went into panic mode when my back was up against the mountains and wall of sea and hearing the thundering of horses bearing down on me and my family.....probably ......would I have been one that moaned about forty years of manna.....more than likely .... I like to think....or hope....that now I have the scriptures and read their examples....and had more training than those Israelites after 400 years of captivity ...Well..I hope I do a bit better.....time will tell shortly I guess.

Unfortunately these sites and others such as e watchman...e JW ..and beroeans pickets...of which at some stages and many years I was a member of ...and of which I usually got disfellowshipped or banned from. All start out ..promoting Jehovah’s people as Gods true people but in serious error...hence their web sites...and they also go on to promote their own understandings on certain issues.. The serious matter that happens with such places is that they are refusing and lacking trust in Jehovah to be able to correct, allow..and rule his people as he sees fit. Thus they act in a presumptions manner trying to do what he has not done ( in their minds) and eventually they go on to claim JWs were never a people he used anyway etc etc. yet many have had doubtful thoughts answered in a proper scriptural manner..thus they become trusting...and primed for future deceiving. Jehovah is allowing these places to exist...as a winnowing...many have come to understand this...some unfortunately get caught up and deceived by these ones who themselves are deceived...they are not evil...but like Eve ....thoroughly deceived. I also have read ray Franz...but it strengthened my faith that Jehovah does indeed use a faulty people...I read his second book and binned it half way thru as I could see what he was doing....much like in time such web sites you have named and I have been on do. They promote their own understandings..(all seem to become anointed...).most feel they are needed to do this I guess..because they truly LACK TRUST that Jehovah does not see the errors and will fix them when he is ready. The thing is...most of these are lovely people..nicer..kinder ...better in personality ..and deeds ..than myself....but this too is a trap in itself.. He USES faulty sinful men..men who make serious errors...such as Moses Jonah..King David..and yes even and more so theGB...to get his job done but to teach us and them...it is HE...and only HE..who achieves his desired plans...regardless of who he uses. On line has always been a playground for the demons ...they are very very active on all sites...they are enticing To hurt and stumbling ones....but they will devour them off course...but not all are deceived..not all fall prey to them.... This has serious consequences as all witnesses need to learn...Moses did not make it into the promised land for a number of reason...Firstly he railed at the people for the being rebellious...of which he had no right to do nor was he commanded to say that...He forgot..THEY WERE JEHOVAHS PEOPLE...not his.......and then he hit the rock twice..in anger...expressing a leaning on his own understanding and a feeling and lack of trust in Jehovah that it needed it...( there is more to that hitting the rock twice which is very serious but I won’t enter into here ) Also he promoted himself and Aaron here in a presumptuous manner. This is what happens on line ...ones who suddenly claim to be anointed ..and feel directed by this anointing to correct or safely guide JWs to a real place of spiritual security...thus a lack of faith that their God of Who they claim to worship can not do this . Jehovah’s Witnesses get more hate and abuse on line than the Natzis ...some of it earned..some of it not..a lot of it directly from demons using certain types of personalities.......and unless you are prepared to understand how Jehovah deals with his people down thru time...and WHY...it will definitely stumble some.... You are right..this is not a Jehovah’s Witness site....and I’m giving you your just due in saying that....and there should be a warning as such for ones who come here... Having said all of that...many go to such sites because of huge errors and pain they experience in certain congregations.. This must be acknowledged..and recognized ..some things that have been allowed is nothing short of ruthless and cruel.....but this has always been amongst his people..when certain kings ruled ruthlessly over his people...he allowed it...I now view it as a testing for me .. I also have seen great love and genuine care...of which tips the scales to the better degree. Being one of Jehovah’s Witnesses means their really is a world bond like no Other I can think of....if you travel overseas and bump into a brother or sister and it becomes known to both parties...their is a great exuberance of fellow feeling and love to a stranger...even for that short moment of pleasantry exchanges..there is a bond...and it’s undeniable.. One could physically feel it at our last assembly when all the songs were played at the end of the convention....at that time...all the errors and pain become a thing of the past...and we were just a motley lot of people try to bend our knees to Our Great Creator....and it was a glimpse of what it will be like in the New World ... Lastly I would like to say...I do not believe that a real anointed one would ever go on line and sow seeds of doubt..and put any brothers and sisters life in danger so as they may risk a spiritual death....nor would they be discreet in claiming to be one.... I have no issues with a chatty forum amongst brothers and sister and discussing subjects not openly discussed amongst us for whatever reasons....I think some...were once like that..and I enjoyed them ....but .then they seem to slowly morph into a hatred of anything to do with the watchtowers or JWs...or even using Jehovah’s name. I don’t always agree with you Billy...but I do back you with renaming this site with a warning...because there are obvious apostates on here...but my view of apostasy is different to yours I think...but I know we would agree with the ones I’m thinking off....

I still miss him..I liked him...I would have loved working with him in a car group or on the doors...and he was NOT a proven apostate....and I’ll stick up for him because nobody knows his full story and no one here can read his heart ....Just for the record Billy I am an active witness and approved In Good standing and conducting Bible studies still.... At times I Unjoin this group because it doesn’t help me with my fruit ages of the spirit..so I cannot respond impulsively......but when I’m mentioned I will respond. How come Billy if you are a witnesses you are not in the closed group...please come there...and I agree..not everyone there would be a witness...but we can not prove nor prove they are not...and I am very wary..which is a wise thing to be on line. Sorry Tom this come up under you but I meant to answer Billy...