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Here’s another good one

Arauna ..I think Sis we need to let this person have the last say...or we become like him....don’t waste your precious spiritual energy...I’m not sure what is going on here but it’s not healthy...it’s time to back away for the sake..not of those participating...but for sake of those who may be reading this and dismayed at how low we all have become...me included ... none of this thread is dignified...or mature... Jesus didn’t even look at Herod as he was so disgusted with him... you know the old saying...If there is no wood,...there is no fire...I admire your tenacity...

I’ve heard this story before....I’m trying to figure out on which forum and from whom?????

Aaaah...librarian....I so love Phil Hayworth talks..some have been taken down and it was such a great loss..I have listened to this a few times and now will listen again....he has another fantastic one called.....ARE YOU TIED TO JEHOVAH ...or something like that....it’s brilliant....I came into the truth on these types of talks.....much appreciated !!!!!!

Well I was loath to chime in on this subject I admit ...and it probably would have been wiser to not say a thing..and yes I broke my own rule over this. Because it declines into a emotional school yard cat fight... but you also do not fully understand either Billy....NONE..of us here do...not really. But I know first hand of certain issues here in Australia..I watched all of the ARC..talked with victims and elders...know of certain cases...intimately ..so can speak from experience... The way they were handled by elders and the Branch directions of the time..and how victims were handled...and the frustrations of elders and the victims. I listen to witnesses who have got things a bit wrong...sometimes a lot wrong...and a lot right . I listen to Ex JWs who have got some things right and some things wrong... It is not as simple or straightforward forward as so many believe....it is not black and white I have distorted nothing...I am just more balanced over this subject .than you Agreeing with anEx Jw on certain matters does not make one their Alia..it’s just acknowledging a fact that may be correct in a certain issue at a certain time. as far as chiming in..we have discussed this before me with you actually...and that didn’t end very well either....you told me you were not my brother...so as I said...I am loath to enter such a discussion..it goes round and round in circles with insults thrown at each other....and everyone becomes like rabid dogs biting at each other and thinking it is okay because it is a forum...and thinking Jehovah is going to accept such behaviour and excuse us of it.....and I include myself in this as well. I wish you well CC..I’m not to sure who you are...as I’m not to sure who anyone is here ... As far as a culture thing...Jehovah’s laws are laws...I once had a elder say to me over a very serious matter.....” well it’s not how Australians are”.... no I thought...but it is how Jehovah is...... I won’t reply on this matter again....but I stand by my words and will not back off from them even tho I will remain silent... Witnesses are allowed to disagree with each other..we are not robots....it does not make us apostates...or idiots...just people with differing views ...which may change at any given time..and also may not change. I don’t always agree with Toms view..nor he with mine...but what a great conversation we would have in a car group.. You yourself have distorted facts..as have certain ex JWs....it’s a mess all around and it’s so hard to find ANY one Who can have a balanced view over it. I do not speak out ignorance ..but deal with facts..everything else is a waste of time and effort..

Arauna I agree with so much of what you say...but as a people we shouldn’t have needed the ARC..to do the right thing....that’s what some are arguing here. And they are right....BUT..we have corrected the error..even if it was forced on us....our policies have been updated..and this would never happen again...it will never be sorted in house or quietly . we are under Jehovah’s Laws...and there are no loopholes with them...but he taught us...thru the ARC.

He will probably treat them like he did the thief on the stake next to him but the thing is he repented at the last moment...where as the other fellow didn’t ......so what happens to him....wouldn’t he be covered by Jesus ransom...?

I’m guessing it will go so far as tho we may feel we have been deceived or tricked....or he has completely forgotten us.... I hope not but I often wonder if we will be tested as Jesus was... Mathew 27:46 My God My God why has thou forsaken me.... ( how utterly terrifying to feel that ) and STILL REMAIN faithful to A God who you think has left you..

The elders didn’t screw up Anna..it was the way things were done back then...their hands were tied....we have to acknowledge that...our policies have changed because of the ARC....

Your exactly right brother....I often think as you just articulated..we know so much but really so little....Jehovah loves a seeker..a searcher of the scriptures...but that doesn’t mean the reward will be any different than one that’s is not quiet so interested in scriptures ..but has bowed their knee to their God Jehovah. The things we may grasp a little earlier can be a stumbling stone..as Jesus was with the Pharisees...or it can develop in us a much admired and treasured thing...that is highly favoured by Jehovah...humility and grace in remembering where we came from..( I was sort of a heathen from the world ) I owe my life because of the witnessing work..organised by the then GB I liken us as the same as the Israelites that were cornered at the Red Sea...Pharaoh bearing down and the mountains on one side the sea in the front ... So where is this God Jehovah they all submitted to...nothing is turning out as promised...let’s stone Moses and Aaron in our fear or disappointment... ( and NO I do not liken Moses to the GB) BUT..ones perhaps with a little more faith..or insight ...bore up..and did not panic..or push ahead...now THAT is the type of faith he loves....mind you they were probably wetting themselves in fear whilst waiting for him to act. We know so very little..even when we say we know a lot!..( or think it) and besides....I remember where I came from🙂 I’m not sure if it is intentional as you think..perhaps it is...but it’s very important as to how we act with insights we may THINK we have....it’s there for all to search for.......but we often have to search so hard....we have to use the lamp..and bend our back...possibly in a uncomfortable position for a long time to find that spiritual gem or insight. But how we handle that gem. Shows our true personality...

I THINK..which doesn’t mean a lot...but hear goes..from what I’ve read..the Alpha and Omega can mean both Jesus and Jehovah...Jesus being the first creation of Jehovah and the last creation by him to be resurrected . Its a title that they both can lay rightful ownership off...( obviously only after Jesus proved successful ) I have also come to the conclusion that no one can understand Revelation unless they really understand the Hebrew Scriptures ...the secrets or keys to understand revelation is in them.

Good advice for me to follow too.....

These brothers and sisters are so tough...I admire them greatly xx

Well I hope you don’t get banned..I don’t see why you would..probably for the reason you have quoted above.. Yes I liked JRT...for a number of reasons of which I won’t go into here...but yes I also winced as some of his phrases.... but I got him... As to abusive language..well I tend to be surrounded by it normally...so what you and some others here class as abusive probably wouldn’t bother me too much.. personally if I’m honest I dont really know who’s who..or who’s what..here... But I would object strongly if you were banned...

Nor should they..this thread is stupid....brothers and sisters are dying out there.. being tortured..thrown into prison...losing their employment..families turning on them...their faith tested to the max!!!!!! And the worse is yet to come for many of us and this is the Calibre of point of discussion...c’mon..people!!!

I miss him ...

Bad men,,and women will always infiltrate the congregation..we have so many scriptural facts on that...I think where the society had to readjust and were forced to readjust was on our policies...we need to admit that...and we now have policies that allowed in house and even strongly encouraged in house handling ..removed..due to those policies being changed...certain things will no longer be handled or tolerated as they were once. It would have been best if the brothers had done this by themselves instead of the ARC forcing them too...BUT...they have changed..been corrected....we are being refined..wether we like it or not...wether it hurts or not...we are still his imperfect people...wether chastised by the world or not...

I also read of a ex JW who stated he went to the Bible students ( Russell’s followers) and some other groups of which I cannot remember and he noted that all the problems he/she saw with In The org...was also present within those said groups..it’s everywhere...even Franz who wrote his famous book said he did not see that this was a issue any worse than any other faith...

Brilliant advice!

Someone really anointed or really Invited would not promote or make it known on line ...it’s as simple as that..a really humble one ..would allow them selves be wronged..as Jesus did and as the apostles did.. PRIDE makes them have the need to be known.....

Do you think Jehovah lacks the power to correct the errors you talk about?

Every man and his dog on line now claims to be anointed....it’s hard to take any of them serious...why on earth would he or any one be jealous of them??...I’ve had my differences with JWI here..but I will stand up for him..on this..I think he’s got a lot more guts and backbone ..than you give him credit.

Well it totally depends on what amount of damage the hypocrisy .( that’s the only point I’m addressing here) .which is there...actually did...and we are not and nor will we be for many years be like Jesus ....In The ability or power...of forgiveness ...but we can try....I think that’s what your saying Tom. I think what certain ones here have done.....is allowing their pain..and often a extreme pain ...a righteous anger ...turn to resentment and bitterness that may even be justified....BUT...it then it controls them....thus satan has got them either way. Im Not sure exactly what was said In This thread as I have blocked a couple but can pick up a fair bit. what helps me..is remembering where Jehovah planted his son...right smack In The middle of his.....Then people...the most self righteous pious lot if there ever was...but ALSO there..were the wheat...and people struggling to serve their God .....and a lot that have been hurt forget that...and their anger consumes them and they are then a tool of the devil ....thus those that were the culprits..those hypocrites...won. I actually dont write this for anyone here ...because I know they will smart mouth my comment...but hopefully some one reading who has been hurt may be encouraged.

I hope everything works out for you John

I sort of like Russell’s thoughts on it...not sure if it’s wrong or not...but he explained exactly as to the point you have made...that many won’t ever here the preaching work...for what ever reason this Is ...they will not experience the second and final death at Armageddon....but just the first death...thus pay the price of sin....they will then be resurrected back IN to a new world and be given an opportunity to learn what they never did in the old world...they may or may not listen to it...then they will pay the price of the second death. Many will definitely experience the second death at Armageddon because of their willful ignorance,,,(the false prophet and the beast) ...maybye more...?????? Rutherford changed that understanding,,,as he did with the Joel and the locust...we have reverted back to a number of teachings or understanding of Russell.....this may be one of them...hopefully