Patiently waiting for Truth

17 hours ago, Arauna said:

There are regular reminders in the news - and those are of child traffickers such as Epstein, the British royal house and many others who "openly" got away with a lifestyle of abuse (not just one under aged - but many, many many...). so I find it strange that you just focus one ONE group. 

All of those you have mentioned are part of the world. As a Christian I know that the world is ruled by the devil. So, why would i expect anything other than immorality and wickedness from those you have mentioned ?

BUT, the Watchtower / JW Org pretends to be 'no part of the world'. It pretends to be morally clean. It pretends to be a SAFE PLACE for families including Children..... Then it hides pedophiles in it's congregations. It refuses to hand over very important information, a 25 + year database of Pedophile accusations in America alone. What of JW congregations in the rest of the world ? We have some information concerning Australia, the Netherlands, the UK, Canada, Spain and some court cases in America, but the JW org is earthwide. Your leaders reside in America and they can't even keep the congregations there clean. What hope is there for other countries ? 

My opinion is that the Jehovah's Witness organisation could once have been used by God, but unfortunately the leaders turned thier back on God and on Yeshua. The Jews were once used by God too but we know their history. 

I am patiently waiting to see the outcome of Yeshua's judgement of the GB and the Org. I am waiting to see what will 'rise from the ashes'.  I have my hopes of course. But meanwhile I will continue to warn others of the dangers of the JW org, and the dangers of believing the words of the GB and even worse, teaching those things to others. 

2 hours ago, JW Insider said:

This idea that at least one person might have been born in 1914 and live to the year 2034 implies that Jesus was really saying something like this:

When you start to see all these things occurring, lift up your heads and rejoice, because all of you will be dead, except for maybe one of you. And if that one 120-year old person endures to the end, he will be saved. He will also be very thankful that the days of tribulation were cut short on account of the chosen one, him.

Thank you for this. Yes it just shows the stupidity of it all.  We all know the end of this old system is coming

BUT NONE OF US KNOWS WHEN.  Keep on the watch, YES. Make up false predictions NO. 

20 hours ago, Pudgy said:

The first step in being able to never go crazy is to be determined never to go crazy, and do what is necessary for that to happen.

Maybe the problem starts when you ARE crazy (and post lots of strange cartoon pictures  ) and you don't realise it, then you try not to go crazy, but it's tooooooooooooooo late. 

20 hours ago, Pudgy said:

Arauna is correct. 

As many on here have stated, CSA is everywhere. So it isn't so much me dwelling on it, but having constant reminders of it in the news, due to investigations into various organisations or individuals and different countries. 

20 hours ago, Arauna said:

21 hours ago, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

through as i cannot see Yeshua allowing it, yet American JWs seem to think it's all ok. 

That is a blatant fib

We will just have to agree to differ on this then. But TTH dismisses it all by saying that the JW Org 'is the best game in town'.  And it seems that he and others like him can just ignore all the problems and keep supporting the GB. 

20 hours ago, Pudgy said:

I know everything that YOU know, PwfT

Being an American in America, you probably know a lot more about the GB, Watchtower, JW Org than i do.  Many news articles from America seem to be banned from reaching the UK. Some law or other, means that i am not allowed to read some articles. And some news just seems to fizzle out with no end results.

For example. Going back maybe three years now, in Canada victims of CSA seemed to have gathered lawyers together with the intention of bringing a 66 million dollar law suit against the GB / JW Org. the last i read about it was that the law suit was rejected / not allowed, buy some high court in Canada. Then nothing. No further news about it.

Example 2. Before Covid-19 there was information from an ex JW of internet fame (whom I totally dislike but others seem to love him) saying that the GB had been 'served notice' to appear in court in connection with CSA. Of course i have no idea how American law works, (I don't have much idea how UK law works either). However this man seemed quite confident that the GB had all been named individually to appear in court on charges of involvement with CSA. This man said he had himself been called as a witness to appear in court in this matter... Then the virus hit, and nothing more has appeared about the GB being 'brought to trial'. I've searched but found nothing. 

So yes James, you will know more of what is going on right now, than i do. 

20 hours ago, Pudgy said:

If you have a wonderful wife, and it appears that you do

My wife is a lovely lady. Well she puts up with me and that's not easy. We spend many happy hours together as we did this lunchtime on a picnic.  But we don't 'live in each others pockets'.  Right now she is 'working' in the garden and i am spending an hour on this desk top computer in the room i call my 'office'. 

20 hours ago, Pudgy said:

to abandon all the completely useless crap that diverts your attention here

It is not all completely useless crap. Some of it does give me food for thought. Some of it helps me to reconsider my own values. Some of it I actually take as reproof.  And some of it may help me to understand how Americans 'tick'. The 'collateral damage' thing which shocks me right through as i cannot see Yeshua allowing it, yet American JWs seem to think it's all ok.  So it's not all a waste of time. 

20 hours ago, Pudgy said:

Get on with a REAL LIFE.

My life is very real, and this forum is only a tiny part of it. My wife and i do not watch any basic television. We sometimes watch a film of our choice on Netflix, but we never switch the television on and just sit in front of it. Other people that we know put the television on from 5pm until midnight, and they just sit and watch all the rubbish. Now that is what i call 'completely useless crap', just sitting watching one programme after another. So if I spend an hour or two on here, at least it involves a bit of thinking and sometimes two way conversation. 

20 hours ago, Pudgy said:

more of a lamentation that you are wasting two lives obsessed with things even you admit you can do nothing about.

Different viewpoints I suppose. When I'm on here I'm giving my wife a rest from constantly talking to her when she is trying to do other things. We both have our own hobbies and interests. Be real, we are together 24/7 almost. I'd drive her insane if i were to try to be by her side all the time.  Spending time doing our own things is good. 

Willy wonka / billy the kid, sometime mentions 'visitors to this site', and if that is so then some of my comments may give them warnings or at least give them some imformation that they di not have. And if people say that i play the same old record, well so does the GB in their Watchtower magazines. 

20 hours ago, Pudgy said:

That is why God designed the human brain to forget past pain and circumstance.…. you go bat-crap crazy IF YOU DON’T.

I disagree with your comment here. I have never forgotton past pain and happenings. God has however promised to remove all those things in that 'New World'.  But it is my past pain that makes me so keen to warn others and in some small way to see some justice done in this old world.

So yes, you and others can continue to think that I'm 'bat-crap crazy'  I'll let Yeshua be my judge. 

Oh dear again. It's now gone from politics to racism.   Oh and of course the continuing of name calling. 

20 minutes ago, Pudgy said:

PwfT:

The differences is that I am a reasonable, rational, reality-based heretic, and from all outward appearances you are a bat crap crazy apostate.

Just a guess, but it appears to match the facts.

Thank you for the compliment.  I see you, Tom. Arauna, Anna and willy wonka aka BillytheKid, as all being in the same sinking boat. So all the insults from all of you i take as compliments. 

Yeshua said something similar. Mathew 5 ; 11

Berean Literal Bible
Blessed are you when they shall insult you and shall persecute you, and lying shall say all kinds of evil against you on account of Me.
 

And i do indeed feel blessed when i get insuted for speaking the truth about the GB, JWs and the Org. Because the JW Org has bought shame on God  and His Son. 

1 minute ago, TrueTomHarley said:

This is why you don’t know anything. I dare say you don’t read much of anything else either.

I read a lot of the rubbish on MSN online, but most of it has been about that strange old lady of 90 odd years old, here in the UK. Most boring. I try not to read about the Ukraine war as it's depressing and it's all part of this old system of things that is going down anyway. 

I do of course do some Bible reading, from the BSB Bible, and i have spent some time reading the Watchtower Study articles from January to date, all online at JW org. 

But if i am going to read, then I much prefer to sit in my rocking chair and re-read books by Derek Tangye. The life story of him and his wife giving up life in London to set up a small business in Cornwall. It was reading those books the first time that helped my wife and I decide to move our little family from the city of Bristol, to deepest Devon, in the countryside. 

But of all things now,  the one thing I love to do is to sit in our garden and watch God's small creatures, the birds and bees, and to smell the flowers. I feel much closer to God and Yeshua when I'm amongst Their creations than i do sat in front of a computer reading things that i can do nothing about. And of course I give thanks in prayer to God for all his wonderful works. 

3 minutes ago, TrueTomHarley said:

Pfizer wanted even longer than the JFK commission to release full data of something that, unlike the Kennedy assassination, was supposedly for the good of all mankind.

Well the GB lawyers can't even release the truth about that 25 year Pedophile database they have, so why complain about what the rest of the world is doing ? 

2 hours ago, Pudgy said:

If Ukraine REALLY WAS involved with developing biological and chemical warfare weapons, it is clear who the intended target would be … and in my opinion a Russian invasion of Ukraine would be justified ….. under these specific circumstances.

James you just show yourself as a lover of war and weapons. Just like dear old Billy the Kid. 

Quite funny that you are allowed in the 'Closet' with the baptised JWs. All of them do not promote war , but you do. 

2 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

“Any last words?” they asked the dodo at his hanging.

”Wow, how very political you guys are,” he said.

Do you ever say anything sensible ? No I thought not.  

3 hours ago, Arauna said:

All I can suggest is this: read under "Caesar " in the Insight book

I no longer read old JW / watchtower propaganda, I only read the latest W/t Study mags' to see what you guys are being brainwashed with now  , but thank you for the advice. 

Wow, how very political and part of the world this topic is.  

41 minutes ago, WalterPrescott said:

What does this have to do with anything, when G-d's people have to endure persecution from everyone? This is, nonsensical thinking.

JWs don't seem to get any persecution here in the UK. But then JWs are not God's people. People here in the UK have just learned to ignore the false predictions of the JWs. Therefore JWs have brought shame on YHWH and Yeshua. 

If any religion gets trouble for hiding Child Sexual Abuse wthin their organsation, that is not persecution, it is well deserved conflict and questioning. 

17 hours ago, WalterPrescott said:

Wrong, they would need to understand, what's going on with interpretation and the need for revisions when something new comes along with linguistics. The FACT you are a Watchtower hater means nothing to the truth, you bum!<><

Oh BillytheKid go back to cleaning your house full of guns, you complete idiot !!!   

9 hours ago, Peter Carroll said:

,having rejected the truth they first knew

Well the JW org / Watchtower teachings are not truth thats for sure and their teachings have changed many times since the 1960's. So if a person believed what they learnt from the Watchtower in the 1960's they would need to reject it now according to the Watchtower teachings now. 

How many teachings from the Watchtower have you had to reject from your first being a JW until now ? 

5 hours ago, Pudgy said:

... below is a space to provide your own caption …

When a dog is let lose on a forum it produces more sh-t than JWs do. 

I've no idea what a 'yo mama' joke is, but I understand your meaning. 

JWs seem to have two sayings here. 1. Apostate. 2. Hate OCD. 

Apart from Tom that loves the word 'dodo'.   

And of course Mr Carroll, who is still trying to convince himself that JWs are right, so uses many words, but says nothing of importance.  

14 hours ago, Anna said:

On 6/4/2022 at 9:50 AM, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

Advancing mankind's progress to legalising Child Sexual Abuse more like,

You are so ridiculous, just listen to yourself...

By deliberately withholding information from the superior authorities they are in fact advancing Child Sexual Abuse.

Each day a Pedophile is allowed to remain free to roam that is one more day of danger for Children. And when those Pedophiles are allowed to roam free in congregations of JWs then the children that are in those congregations are in danger. 

But your GB do not care about such things as those children will just be seen as Collateral Damage misused to protect the reputation of the Watchtower & JW Org. 

Yeshua once said "First clean the inside of the dish..." but your GB take no note. 

1 hour ago, JW Insider said:

No problem there. For several years, only the anointed were called "Jehovah's witnesses." For Rutherford, it was the way that the types and anti-types worked out for the identification of Israel in Isaiah 43. They were not to speak of a member of the "Other Sheep," "Great Crowd," as Jehovah's witnesses.

You are talking about the ideas of 'men'. I was talking about proof in scripture. 

1 hour ago, JW Insider said:

  Those who thus covenant with God are begotten of the spirit of God, and as many such as are thenceforth led of the spirit of God, they are the recognized sons of God (Rom. 8:14)

Romans 8 : 14 is talking about the Anointed, as verse 15 shows. 

Berean Literal Bible
For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God. 15. For you have not received a spirit of bondage again to fear, but you have received the Spirit of divine adoption as sons, by whom we cry, "Abba! Father!"

1 hour ago, JW Insider said:

But Russell considered the "Great Crowd" to also be a heavenly class,

So whom did Russell think would inherit the Earth. ?

Matthew 5 ; 5 

Berean Study Bible
Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the earth.
 

1 hour ago, JW Insider said:

Russell's views on Isaiah 43 were confusing, however, because he was a Zionist who believed that the Jews were already returning to Palestine, setting up to make earthly Jerusalem the administrative capital of the world.

Um, so the Jews would inherit the Earth ?  So what happens to the Gentiles ? Oh yes they are a secondary heavenly class, the Great Crowd. 

1 hour ago, JW Insider said:

Rutherford gave up on Russell's Zionist views around 1930, opening the way for a clearer understanding of spiritual Israel.

I don't blame him, it seemed complete nonsense to me. But, I still question, was any of it inspired of Holy Spirit ?  And i don't think it was, but that's just my opinion of course. 

1 hour ago, WalterPrescott said:

Jehovah's Temple"

I think the scriptures make it clear that only the  Anointed are YHWH's Temple. 

11 hours ago, Pudgy said:

but if I was an atheist, and did an analysis of which group on this earth had the best chance of advancing mankind’s progress toward honor, virtue, discipline and responsibility ….. not just survival …. but advancement ….. I would choose Jehovah’s Witnesses.

Advancing mankind's progress to legalising Child Sexual Abuse more like, and toward lies and deceit, and dictatorship with the excuse of being the F&DS that everyone must listen to, and then the continuing lie that 'you have to be a baptised JW, baptised into the JW Org, to be saved'.  

You make me laugh with this idea of 'responsibility'. The GB have mocked God and Christ by telling so many lies and in so doing have stumbled thousands of people. 

Honor, what honor ?  Oh yes you Americans are brainwashed with strange ways of course. So much honour in owning a houseful of weapons and believing that God thinks war is ok. 

You make me want to throw up. Thousands of innocent young children raped, sexually abused, wifes physically beaten, in this JW org that you say has 'honor, virtue, discipling, and responsibility'. 

But you and most other Americans just push people aside as Collateral Damage. So chose Jehovah's Witnesses and let Yeshua be your judge. 

As for me i want no part of such a wicked immoral organisation. 

7 hours ago, JW Insider said:

I appreciate that it very efficiently and effectively has been instrumental in teaching tens of millions more, and getting the word out to hundreds of millions. (I.e., setting an example for preaching and teaching "good news" about a time under the Kingdom when there will be no more war, no more divisive politics, no more racism, and a time when Jehovah's provisions will make all things new, returning heaven and earth to His original purpose.)

It has indeed spread the 'good news' but unfortunately it has tanted it with lies, unfulfilled predictions, threats, and other stumbiling blocks. 

7 hours ago, JW Insider said:

I don't believe we need worry too much about the history of an organization, as if that is what Jesus meant by building on a solid foundation. What the organization was back between, say, 1884 and 1935, or even between 1935 and 2021 is also not of such great concern to me.

it is of concern for me as it has served as a stumbling block to many.  

7 hours ago, JW Insider said:

Some had left in 1909 over doctrinal issues (New Covenant, "The Vow") some in 1914 and 1915 over failed predictions and expectations.

Yes and those failed predictions would have stumbled many. 

7 hours ago, JW Insider said:

My only expectation, historically, is that it would continue to progress, to put off more and more false teachings.

I don't know what to say to this. You are admitting that 8 million JWs are still being taught false teachings, and, that those same JWs are teaching false teachings to others. 

7 hours ago, JW Insider said:

But the foundation is Christ, not the Organization. 

I think you are deliberately denying the truth about your GB and its Org.  Live in hope yes, but we all know that the GB pretend to be the spokesmen of God. The GB pretend that 'God and Christ trust them so every JW should trust them'.

The GB have almost bluntly told the rest of the Anointed to keep quiet, and not to gather together for prayer or study. 

And in most of the new Study Watchtowers (Jan to August 2022)  it's telling JWs to do as they are told by the GB through the Elders, without question.  Yes I've been reading the W/t online. 

5 hours ago, Peter Carroll said:

on our block of land when an animal goes somehow deranged it is allowed to be put down ,as it is well established that apostates are fully unhinged ,they are welcome to visit  if in the neighbourhood

Isn't that what the Pharisies did to Yeshua ? Just as you would do to honest truth, kill it. 

11 hours ago, Peter Carroll said:

once again false accusations ,as it was whenthose followers of satan like yourself those romans and jews leaders they accused jesus

Comparing your GB ad its Org to Yeshua is indeed an insult to Yeshua. Yeshua always spoke truth. Your GB do not.